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Skull woods boss skip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqUjDfuRoSY

Portal clipping http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H1VPB40jyY (so far useless but needs testing)

Merge glitch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR67AQK0Jhc

House of gales tricks http://www.twitch.tv/irule782/c/3294168 and http://www.twitch.tv/irule782/c/3294174

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In the ore mine, you can skip a bunch of platforms on the way to the bottom.  From the 3rd platform from the entrance, pegasus boots dash off the right side and you can barely reach one of the platforms on the way to the bottom.  From there you can skip another platform by walking off the right side at the right time, then from there just 1 more to the bottom.  I think you might be able to skip the 2nd last platform but I haven;t been able to do it.  [Needs video]

In the swamp palace, you can get the big key as soon as you enter the main room by dashing towards it on one of the corners then just using the tornado rod.  Saves a few seconds to get it now rather than later.  [Needs video]

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Some observations:

Ravio won't sell the bow until the cutscene where you observe orbs in the Eastern Palace plays. Dying immediately afterwards takes you straight to him.

Dying appears to give you the option to warp back to Link's house, which might be faster to do to reach Hyrule from Lorule.

Mama Maimai's children don't spawn until you talk to her first.

The Boomerang seems to be completely unnecessary for puzzle solving.

Items become buyable after the first three dungeons. Ice/Fire Rods are 1200 ea, everything else is 800 ea.

Seems like if we could clip into the boss arena somehow for the Desert dungeon, that'd be pretty big.

Desert Palace is where you rescue Irene. While captured there is only a single text box each time the broom is called vs possibly multiple text boxes. However, text is incredibly quick and an optimal route probably wouldn't have all that many teleports.

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Early Lorule Castle seems to be out of the question, if you time the A button correctly, Link won't open the door properly. The animation is similar to opening a locked door without a key.

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Clipping through a 'south' portal you get to see a blue OoB.

Kakariko Heart Piece Early:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLoTX75lCR8

Absolutely useless clip into a tree:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhWZVigvL2w


The Early Heart Piece could possibly be useful for 100%, but it may just be faster to get the power glove and then get it perhaps when going back to get the Master Sword.

I haven't found anywhere else where you can do anything similar to the Clip into the tree. Interesting that it works here and nowhere else though.

Few more things:

You can avoid a short dialog with the Zora on the route to Queen Zora by leaving the board while still merged to the wall.

The Smooth Gem can be bought as soon as the Thief bumps into you (rather than after talking to the Queen first). The cutscene where the Queen bloats up still plays as normal.

Quick Equip* is unlocked after picking up the Master Sword and then entering Ravio's house.
The Quick Equip tab is unlocked after unlocking Lorule and then entering Ravio's house

* I think Quick Equip does NOT work if you only have one item slot. I need to double check that.

There is a boss key strat in the Ice ruins where falling into the pit right afterwards should spawn Link to Floor 1, as long you were only touching the lift platforms when going down from F1 to B5(?) to get the Boss Key. Video should come tomorrow.

You don't need to observe the signs at the eastern palace.  You just need to watch the cutscene where it shows you the two orbs.

We also need to plan deathwarps later on in the run carefully, if at all.

If we die, then we lose most items to Ravio.  Would death warping be worth it after you enter Lorule anyway?

I can't see deathwarping ever saving time after getting the bow.  ravio + the fact you get fast travel really early on.

Rental prices:

010 Bow?
020 Tornado Rod, Hammer
050 Bombs, Sand Rod?, Boomerang, Hookshot
100 Ice Rod, Fire Rod

That ends up being 450 to rent everything, 400 if the boomerang is skipped.

Buy prices
0800 7 items
1200 Ice Rod, Fire Rod

For 100%, it costs at minimum 7440 or 7640 rupees to buy every item. All items summed up come out to be 8k for everything, but there is a 50% discount on the first item that saves 400 or 600 depending on which item you buy first. The 40 comes from the fact that the Tornado Rod and Hammer have to be rented to unlock the option to buy items (by completing the dungeons that require these items).



This is what I meant. I've fixed my post to be more clear.

I don't see us getting the boomerang in the speedrun, I never even used it casually.

When in the route do we buy Bombs, Hookshot, Ice Rod, Sand Rod, and Fire Rod?

I know to get the Sand Rod, it's some trigger event, but I forgot what the trigger is >.>

I think a boss skip might also be possible with the swamp palace boss.  I couldn't get it myself, but the exit is right behind the wall just like skull woods. 

In the hookshot section of lorule castle, you can skip the first puzzle by using the ice rod to create platforms and use that to bring the first eye to the hole.

For the eyes in skull woods and lorule castle, it definitely seems faster to continuously throw them and pick them up rather than just carrying them the whole way.

I also found a way to get a key early in skull woods in the room where you go in the platform with a cage ceiling by dashing off the first platform towards the chest.  Unfortunately it seems useless since you would still need to wait for the platform to come back.

For the electric jellyfish things (mainly the big miniboss ones) using the hookshot on them where they're electrified makes them go back to normal.  (cant remember if this was the case in lttp too so sorry if this is obvious)

Probably obvious but you can skip a key in swamp palace by using the same door to get to the water changing room on the top floor.  The key you should skip should probably be the one in the other water raising room where you need to raise the water to the highest.

As for boomerang, I definitely agree with skipping it.  I just finished my 2nd playthrough which I used for routing and I didn't find any places boomerang saves time.

Does anyone have a good strat for the first phase of the final boss besides just hit and run?  It feels really slow and even with blue mail + 12 hearts I died a few times. 

I was screwing around with Hornlitz's Absolutely Useless Tree Clip and found that there is a way to position yourself differently in the tree, and also to get into the tree on the other side.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMdRJgIKe-0

It's still absolutely useless.

Sand Rod Softlock http://youtu.be/NelBVWRdfaU

http://youtu.be/A4H8hqCF7-c

So OoT has been out for 15 years and nintendo still hasn't fixed this... Could be useful if we can clip through walls in multi level rooms


Quick Equip still works with only 1 slot

I tested out the swamp palace boss skip and I don't think it's possible. The boss never really gets close enough to the wall until the 2nd phase, and during that phase he'll knock you out of the air as he's coming down.

Also, in the swamp palace dungeon, I found something interesting. By the crystal switch furthest left on the screen in the room with 3 crystal switches, if you merge right by the stairs, you'll clip through the corner a tiny bit. You can't travel through the stairs or anything, but it's weird how that works. Video might come later.

http://www.twitch.tv/xcluck/c/3296504

here's my final boss fight, not sure if my strat was any different than yours. I basically tried to stay towards the bottom of the room so he never teleports behind me, and run at him as soon as he appears to start his attack animation.

Note: I did this with the level 1 master sword, and yeah, it's really slow and easy to die. I counted around 35 hits for each phase. Upgrading sword and grabbing red tunic would probably make this quite a bit faster.

It seems that in the lost woods where you have to go a different way than the three poes, you always have to go south (can anyone confirm if they had to go a different way?)

Also, grabbing the red tunic takes about 10 sec, and it makes the last fight a lot easier, since it allows you to get hit a couple of times to do more hits on him (without the risk of dying in 2-3 hits).

That's what it seemed like to me. So far both times I made it by going south.

I discovered something new about the mechanics of dying. The first time you enter Lorule you always spawn at the Lorule Blacksmith's house every time you die, and have the option to spawn there instead while in a dungeon. It seems like your spawn point changes either once you return to Hyrule for the first time, or possibly by visiting Ravio (not sure which).

Also, you can avoid talking to Sahasrahla who stands near Link's house by just sliding along the wall around Link's house / using a different crack?

South twice for me as well, so I guess that's confirmed. It'll be nice not paying attention to that.

I did this (heart piece early) in my first casual run through of it... I think it's pretty common knowledge but probably a good idea to document it for the route makers. I'm assuming everyone knew about it though right away... I hope.

I did also consider that with the Master Sword, but maybe it's not actually faster since we're in Kakariko anyway... Some timing should be done on this actually when a route is constructed just to see how long it takes. You can drop the Cucco in mid-air I think also by the way to drop faster.

Pretty intense glitch hunting today but surprisingly both useless.

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You can go OoB next to the bridge of Lorule Castle entrance by clipping the top left corner of that area with a Hinox (cyclops bomber) and then use the tornado rod to push Link to top of the bridge where the gap is. There is a pit around the left side OoB part of the castle and you cannot merge to go around it  :'(

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By portal clipping, you can enter the boss area of Desert Palace but you cannot trigger the fight properly or even kill it :(

so here is proof of collision under an object you can clip thru i also get on top of the house we can break this game guys
http://youtu.be/4o1ZMZzo88c

also want to use this time to plug the irc channel on srl's irc we have #albw if you're on srl irc come join us

You can clip into a sand block if you place a bomb behind you and raise the sand just as the bomb explodes.

Probably not very useful,but still...

If you use the Tornado Rod while inside, do you go on top of the sand block? (Or does that destroy the sand block?) Cause if it puts you on top, this would be quite useful actually.

Pillar falls if you use Tornado rod inside  :-\

Just clipping inside makes it fall. ._.

I should have done more testing but the timing for the glitch was awkward and it took a long time to do...

Oh well,back to searching.

p.s Thanks for the idea.

Guys, I just think I found a way to skip the Desert Palace. I can't confirm that it works since I tried it on a file that had already beat the dungeon.
You get to the boss area without going to the dungeon at all.
You use portal clip on the portal in Lorule that is directly below the Boss Area.
To do the clip you shield push one of the enemies that throw spears all the way to the portal and make sure that it is positioned properly. Then you walk straight into the enemy to gain invicibility, walk up against the portal, use the Tornado Rod, when you land, use Pegasus Boots as you clip. You will gain enough momentum in the air to land in the boss area instead of falling OoB.

The ability to shield push enemies and use invicibility to get perfect positioning should allow us to clip in any area with an enemy big enough.

Edit: I tested it.
You can reach the area.
By reaching the blue platform in the upper section of the area you can activate the quicksand. You can also simply use the tornado rod when standing down in the sand.
However, the boss is stuck in the pre-battle state. Can't get the actual fight to trigger (which normally is done by walking down the ledge at the entrance I believe?).
If the fight can actually be triggered, of if we can kill the boss without starting the fight, we'll be able to skip the dungeon.
If you get gameover in the area you can respawn at the dungeon entrance.

Similar to the Tornado Rod key shortcut in House of Gales, you can snatch it with the Boomerang while standing at the top of the stairs. Might be a bit faster than walking down and risk missing the key. Safe strat?

(http://i.imgur.com/oYyEuUzl.jpg)

Greenalink found this yesterday but the boss doesn't load correctly.  If you can find a way to enter and exit the room before the boss from there, it would probably skip the whole dungeon but that seems unlikely.

I do have a similar idea for skull woods skip though.  If you can clip into the tower with the portal in skull woods then use tornado rod to pop out on the top, you might be able to just walk on the upper ledge straight to the painting.  Unfortunately there's very few enemies to work with there but I'm hoping someone else will play around with this and possibly get somewhere.

This also works with the hookshot which is probably the better item choice since it's actually useful in more than one place.

Ahh, I didn't notice his post about it because it was barely mentioned. And I was so hyped when I did that clip the first time, heh.
I also tried some in skull woods. I doubt it is possible, unless I am utterly unlucky, or it is extremely precise. Every time I try to clip using the Snap Dragons that're there, I get pushed left or right. Could be because of the route surface, and the fact that the enemies are smaller (I believe?).


Has anyone managed to clip with any of these stone pillars? would most likely be easier to try with some big enemies first to see if it actually works.

USELESS sequence break, early Desert Palace boss area,  Now with a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ6zsrIZU9U&feature=youtu.be

Also I managed to go OoB to the right side of Lorule Castle's entrance. The method is a bit different as it involves clipping into the blue web(?) and then performing a dash to bounce back and land on top of the bridge part.

This is useless indeed.
I *rediscovered* the trick this morning. However, did you try dying in the boss area?
You can choose to respawn at the dungeon entrance. (surprising considering that you're still able to fly away when in the boss area)

Which means that it is possible to enter the Desert Palace without the Sand Rod, which I find very interesting.
You just get the Scroll to walk on the wall to the southwest portal without the rod, then do the portal clip into the boss area, kill yourself, and respawn at dungeon entrance.

This is the only way to reach the dungeon entrance, and get to the save point without beating Thieves'.

FaschZ found this earlier;

Boot Slide (Pegasus Momentum Glitch):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja8326UW_xI&feature=youtu.be

hoping it'll work for somewhere in ice palace at the moment

There is a faster way to do this (though the path I take use what's seen in the video above)

From the top, take the normal path to the 3rd platform.
As soon as you get to the 3rd platform, walk to it's bottom edge and charge to the right. A platform will be moving north and you can land on it.
If you do this right after entering the cave the platforms will by synched on the very first cycle, so you do not have to wait around. You do not need to slide, you keep momentum on this platform.
Note that the platforms start moving when you first step on one after entering the cave. so after activating them, you have to exit the entire cave to get the correct cycle. If you just re-enter the room they'll still be moving.
When you reach your 4th platform, wait for it to move south. When it's done moving, start charging and activate the slide to keep momentum. You'll land on the very last platform just before the exit. Even if you were to land right on top of a keese (which has happened to me), you should not get pushed off the platform.
This way you stand on a total of 5 platforms (that last one being right at the exit, you just walk off of it), and only need to stand and wait once on one platform for about  2-3 seconds.

This is the fastest path that I know. there may be some diagonal movement that ends up saving more time, but I haven't found one yet.

I'm aware of that... but the point of Faschz's video isn't the fact he saves time in the lava tile room but the slide itself.

You keep all your momentum which is an oversight by Nintendo, we can use this to get across void's were not supposed to. Normally when charging, you only go across the distance of one tile... Providing Link has height above whatever it is he's trying to land on, you can slide and make the distance without the game forcing you to lose momentum when you go off an edge.

A use for this, and it's so close to working, but the angle is stupidly tight it seems - Ice Palace switch press: In the room where you get the boss key in ice palace if you slide off the platform and go for the switch when the platform is raising you come stupidly close to landing on the switch... If you hit that switch you'll skip pretty much the entire Ice Palace if you can land there. It's stuff like this that the slide is useful for...

However if the platforms are in sync for the slide in the lava tile room for the first entrance, I'm guessing the slide is actually faster than the tile skip... someone should time this...

I spent a lot of time in the Ice Palace the other day trying to do that as well.
There are a number of times where you can get very close to reaching locations early with Pegasus Boots.
In the Main Room of B1 you can almost reach the upper section of the room by using pegasus boots from the platforms.
When the block in this same room is removed, you can almost reach the Left Upper Section of B2.
If any of these were possible you could save a lot of time in the dungeon.
And like you mentioned, in B4 you can almost reach the switch that's down to the right.
There was another location where a floor platform is removed where you can almost pegasus boots to a location early, can't remember where it was though.

It's annoying how close it is to working in so many locations.

Edit:
It is possible to clip into portals with smaller enemies. At least it is possible with chuchus, the ones I tried it with.
And I were running around with pegasus boots today and Link ran straight thru an acute angle. It's located directly south of the vacant house, all the way at the bottom by a cliff edge. Link will be able to pass thru it like 50% of the times.

Had another idea of skipping Desert Palace but it looks like natural based terrain functions a little differently than man made terrain (think houses and mosaic pillars)
It's not possible to go OoB, use tornado rod and then pop up & land on top of the natural terrain.

Yeah, for some reason the Tornado Rod doesn't actually go high enough to reach the next cliff level, unlike buildings. I can't see any noticable difference in the height, but I guess there's a small difference.
Also, even though that didn't work, it was pretty damn clever to attempt going to the boss area from the north to get to the top of the boss room. I spent a long time trying to think of something, and never thought about coming from the area in the north.

Would be interesting if we actually managed to get up on an OoB cliff to see how the game handles screen transitions and such in cases like these.

I've been tinkering about at the beginning of the game to see if I can manage to skip the cutscenes showing Gulley running around. I've discovered what seems to be useless.

When running with an object (a pot or shrub, haven't tried bombs yet) into a corner, throwing the object forces Link to move back. Kind of like a bomb explosion moving you back. I've only just found it out tonight, and I'm almost 100% positive it's useless.

Has anyone else experienced this? Can anyone else do some testing? I've barely finished the game, and I've a lot of school work to do. Can anyone else see if this will allow us to clip through things?

hookshot through walls found by chubfish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jcFAQMT4KQ

this looks really promising, someone find something with this.  Should work with enemies too but probably harder.

Weird void warp from Lorule to Hyrule found by FaschZ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI4WAiE_DsQ

Early switch in Swamp Palace with upgraded Bow idea by Me, ZFG and FaschZ and recorded by FaschZ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PZdyNhCzEI

Small timesaver in Hyrule that people probably already know about: when you are headed to Zora's domain the first time there is a Zora looking across the cliff that you must merge with to cross.  He will chat with you if you pop out right after you cross; if you keep going along the wall to the next screen you can skip that conversation and the trigger for it will be gone.

Another small timesaver: When heading back to Hyrule through the portal by the Vacant House, if you stay merged to the wall and head around the house, you can skip talking to Sahasrahla.

I found an obvious timesaver in Thieves Den. At the end of the room with the Master Ore, you're supposed to leave Thief Girl on the red blocks, then go around til you get to the other side of the wall where you can raise the blocks. Instead though you can just leave a bomb next to the earlier switch, then run to the blocks and raise them instantly. Then you can have Thief Girl walk across the wall to the exit of the room. (This might need double checking the make sure Thief Girl can make it to the blocks in time, but it might still be faster even if she can't)

I've used this every time I've done the dungeon. Just put the Thief Girl on the blocks, tell her to stay, then do the bomb thing and run back to her. That's how I've always done it. I don't even know what the intended solution to that puzzle is XD

If you hold "R" (a shield is required) while swimming and then walk onto land it will clip link into the ground for a split second.
Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be able to clip through walls.

The Hookshot clipping seems very interesting. It looks like as if the chain actor of the hookshot get pushed out of objects just like any other actor (enemies, link, etc.)
Should be possible to do this with enemies as well, can't really think of a place where this could be used from the top of my head. The game is so open, rarely anything blocking your path.

Also, for the weird wrong warp, I am pretty sure that as long as you do not touch the ground and stand on a surface, the game will bring you back to the last zone you entered and actually stood in. that's why you get sent back to hyrule in the vid above.


You can also Spin Attack thru the wall where the block raise to avoid using bombs at all. I've always brought here over on the wall and used a spin attack to raise it. Should be faster to use a spin attack in case she can't make it over in time for the bomb.

Pretty sure you don't even have to go around the house. I went a very, very small distance to the right (to the diagonal wall) before I exited the wall and I didn't trigger any kind of dialog.
This isn't really supposed to be a forced dialog anyway, since you can return to hyrule from other locations.

That isn't quite correct. If you start in Lorule, attach yourself to the wall, leave to Hyrule, you can pop off the wall, merge back and finally void out in Lorule, you will respawn where you first merged with the wall in Lorule.

That is Hyrule -> Lorule without touching the ground, spawn at your entrance into Kakariko in Hyrule
Stand on Lorule -> Hyrule -> Lorule without touching ground, spawn where you merged.

I tried everything I could today to skip the little section in Eastern Palace after you beat Yuga.  If you try to deathwarp you just end up back in the boss room with no Bow.  I tried bringing in a Scoot Fruit too but the devs thought of that and it won't allow you to use it there :(

Well, if the game remembers the spot you merged at as the last position you stood on, it'd make sense for it to put you back there if you void out in that same area, wouldn't it?
However, if you were to void out in Lorule but haven't actually stood anywhere in lorule, it would want to send you back to where you last stood in Hyrule, correct?
However, this doesn't seem to be the case. It's the same when you clip through portals and void out.
So I did some testing.

Warp to Link's House, enter and exit house, then portal clip. You'll notice that you respawn at your last position.
Now go down south and then west to the portal which leads you to the desert. Portal Clip. You'll notice that you respawn at the entrance, not where you were standing.
I did the same at Death Mountain Mines, I did a portal clip, link spawned where he was previously standing. I went to Lorule, did the clip again, Link respawned where he was standing.

So, now for the theory. Zones are flagged to behave differently. Some zones use your last position, while others just use the last entrance. Kakariko may very well be a zone that use the entrance.
All zones which have voids or swimmable water seems to use position instead of entrance. The only exception that I know of is outside Link's House. You appear at the position you were standing instead.

So this "wrong-warp" could very well just be returning you to the proper position from voiding, and in kakariko that would be the entrance.

It's a theory at least.

Tried this the other day and sadly found the same results... was very surprised at the scoot not working though.

Here are some of the tricks i've found over the past several days..

Big Bomb Early - You don't need a shield, but it is faster... Also doesn't work with moblin I believe, or on the bottom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk8-IYUsBzg

Thieves Hideout - 100% Time Saver that needs upgraded bombs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIQgUG1KeXQ

Double Jump - You can use items for a few moments after your death, although probably useless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWGpHKVqOEo

Stand in Midair - You can do things like this during cutscenes, but looks useless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHPHVQTZOxk

"Wrong Warp/Void Warp" - Useless, but quirky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI4WAiE_DsQ

Swamp Palace - 100% Time Saver that needs upgraded bow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PZdyNhCzEI

Boot Slide - Momentum glitch that could possibly be used in places outside of the mine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja8326UW_xI

Alternative Clip Method - Using the hammer allows you to be pushed through gaps too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xc6kkTRNMw

I found a weird stair clip in the first boulder cave on the death mountain. If you run at a diagonally up the first stairs in the cave, you will run through the side railing. This can be bad if you don't have the bombs or hammer because you can get yourself stuck where the only way to continue is to reset the game.

You can also bypass some of the small pits in that cave with Fasch's slide momentum glitch.

Does anyone think we could use this to gain some height so we can get out of bounds in the desert after clipping through a fissure (I think it was GreenaLink who posted a photo of a normal t rod use not gaining enough height), and possibly skip half or almost all of the Desert Palace?

Also Fasch in the description you said we could maybe skip skull woods with this. How do you suppose it's possible?

If you can figure a way to use the hookshot in the air, then it would probably allow you to grab onto a tree

In House of Gales there's a miniboss where you have to fight over half a dozen of those fire skull things. Does anyone know what the fastest way to kill them is?

The fastest way is to make them fall into the crevass.  They bounce in the same way everytime.  As soon as you enter the room go down left walkway and pegasus boots towards the end.  You should see 7 or 8 of them grouped up in the right corner which you can get all in 1 gust.

Two more tricks I found on Death Mountain

Death Mountain Descent - Useless, but it does show that some terrain does actually have collision to stand on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm82zUoko_M

Glitched Painting - Some areas on ledges allow you to merge on them, even though it is unintended and gives you this result
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azlc2O_fIRY

Edit: Heres another trick near Eastern Palace
Out of Bounds - Uses a ledge to get up and merge a little higher up on the wall, I really think this has potential in other areas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKZCOqmAea4

It wasn't because the T Rod wasn't high enough, it's because there is a solid ceiling when going OoB. I got a video of this and you can clearly hear a sfx of Link hitting a ceiling when using the T.Rod.

Found two little skips in Skull Woods.

http://www.twitch.tv/parax0/c/3315425
http://www.twitch.tv/parax0/c/3315434

Has anyone tried out using the Scoot Fruit to get out of Eastern Palace after the boss fight? Costs 50 Rupees at Kakariko Village. Not sure if getting it would be a complete waste of time.

at least 2 people have, and it doesn't work. The devs thought of that D:

Pretty sure it's faster to just keep hookshotting them... has anyone tested?

For second eye in Skull woods, grab the master ore first, then cross in front of the chest to get to other side of it. Then you can hookshot the eye to you on that ledge, and use the grates to skip walking it back through the enemies and the slow moving platforms.  ;D

I have. It is faster. ZFG posted this before I told him to do that.

That second trick... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoW9czgQBqE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSX18Kep5v0

Reminds me of oot... anyways, new way of portal clipping w/ a cucco does't require tornado rod, and  loading zones are accessible without going through the door :D

Now to only find a useful place to do it...

You rarely need the Tornado Rod. I don't think I've seen a single clip that actually does need it. (Though greenalink most likely has done some weird clipping that uses it)
Tornado Rod is Used to Lock the NPC in place and squeeze yourself inbetween it and the portal to clip. This isn't necessary though. You could just lock the enemy in place by other means, like hookshot and boomerang, get damaged by something to gain invincibility (you can use the enemy to get invincibility before stunning it), then walk right thru it toward the portal, when the invincibility is gone the collision is turned back on and you'll get pushed into the portal. I can imagine that this is actually possible without stunning at all, but more difficult since the enemy has to stand in place until you clip.

Since you're throwing the Cucco you can position yourself at the portal and have it land on top of you, pushing you into the portal by its collision, removing the need of invincibility and stunning.
It's awesome that this actually works, I didn't really expect it too. If anything, I'd expect the Cucco to clip into the portal instead of you, or just land behind you.
I'm also very surprised by the fact that this game uses loading zones behind doors and not having the actual doors as the transition trigger. (Mainly because that's how it works in skyward sword)

Ha, that's awesome. I spent a long time trying to glitch inside the shed with the painting in Thieves' Town and couldn't get it to work, but the fact that they actually put loading zones behind doors in this game means there's hope! :P

So I was messing around with the glitch found by quo, and I discovered another clippable area. Does this mean we can clip into other walls/areas with the cucoos?

Check out my video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GARXoOMuybE&feature=youtu.be

EDIT: You can use my glitch to gain access to Sahasrahla's locked house in the beginning of the game, but it does nothing. He does not offer dialogue to go to the EP early, unfortunately.

So, I was trying to find a way to get into the painting room of Thieves' early, and I found that the entire house there is hookshotable. If we could find a way to shoot the hookshot through, could we potentially hookshot onto the door and enter the loading zone?

Two more shortcuts, Swamp Palace this time.

http://www.twitch.tv/parax0/c/3318670
http://www.twitch.tv/parax0/c/3318676

edit: There's a really easy/obvious sequence break in Dark Palace. In the boss door room there's a switch on the left side that you're supposed to hit by navigating to the top level of the room and then merging with the wall. Instead you can just stand under it and use the Ice Rod. This skips a small key + the miniboss fight. (the key in the left room is by far the most time-consuming one to pick up, that is definitely the one that should be skipped)

That first skip, I remember doing that. This is why I was so very confused by http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PZdyNhCzEI
I thought that I were just imagining things since it required the upgraded bow.
Just to confirm, is this possible with the hookshot? I believe I did use the hookshot? Could just remember it wrong though, since I use Hookshot for almost everything.
Can't go back and make sure, because I have no file at Lorule atm that haven't done that room, I believe my brother has done half of the dungeon as well, which is right after that room.

Also, I guess this is common sense and all but you can get the big key the first time you enter the main room.
Use Pegasus Boots to charge over to a corner of the platform the chest is on, then use Ice Rod or Tornado Rod to remove the Fire around it, and grab the key.
I'm not sure how you're supposed to take it normally, but I assume it involves raising and lowering water or something, so I assume this would be faster?

Also:

Edit:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/swamp_palace_encounter_skip.jpg
The bottom right room on B1. You have to kill all the enemies and have the hookable object move down to where I'm standing.
However, when you enter the room, stand on the edge where you jump down, face south, and use Pegasus Boots. You'll be able to charge over the void since the fence will push you to the right of it if you're standing close enough to the edge.
I realised that this is the exact skip you did in the 2nd video. Sorry about that! Only watched the first vid.

Edit2:
I have no idea if this is anything new, but the hookshotable walls in Swamp Palace, you can hook onto them diagonally and still merge if you do it at a specific position. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/diagonal_hookshot_merge.jpg
This should save a second or two in the room shown in the picture (not much, but it's something)
Also, if you hook the wall seen in that picture diagonally when standing on the stairs it's possible to get dragged along the floor instead of keeping the height with the hookshot. The hookshot is also held incorrectly when aiming on stairs.

I also noticed that there are various doorframes where you can marge to the wall next to the door, from the inside. I haven't found a single location where this could be used to merge onto a wall to skip something, but there may be some place where it is possible. It doesn't seem to work on regular doors? not really sure.
You can easily see which door frames it works on by simply hugging both sides of the door frame when walking thru it. The merge symbol will pop up right before you pass thru to the next room as seen in this picture: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/door_frame_merge.jpg

Oh wow at the first skip. We never knew you could shoot over the stairs like that, when we tried we hit the staircase... I guess we were too far up. Nice one though, now we don't need to be concerned about Bow upgrade early in 100%. Probably wouldn't have thought of the second one though, good job!


If this is the case, I'll look into it when I go back to Swamp Palace in a bit. It probably does work, I wouldn't be surprised.


ZFG and I have been doing this in runs, I thought everyone was aware of this since I thought it was documented already but yeah, it's possible and it is faster by a few seconds because when you're done in the dungeon, the water level is high enough to get to it... You're supposed to get it at the end before the boss door, which is in that room... so... yeah, it saves like 2-4 seconds at maximum.


...Isn't this exactly what Parax just did in his video?


FaschZ found out that if you merge above a doorframe (somehow, if this were possible) and drop off the wall above it you hit the loading zone and go to the next room... I'm assuming this is what is happening to you also. We've yet to find a significant use for it as there aren't a lot of doors that allow you to be above with a merge ability... Maybe it'll lead to a small key skip or something eventually.

Yeah.. Just edited my post. Never did watch that 2nd video, lol. Sorry about that.

Anyway, this time I believe I've actually found something new, did a quick seach for desert palace in the threads, nothing came up.
This would most likely be useful in 100% though, if useful at all, because this requires Nice Bombs.

In 2F of Deset Palace, the top right room, you have to navigate some boulders to have them break some blocks.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/sand_palace_%20nice_bomb_timesaver.jpg
However, you can stand where I stand in this picture:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/sand_palace_%20nice_bomb_timesaver2.jpg
and throw the Nice Bomb up there and it will be able to hit the last block, skipping the entire room.
I tried to do it without Nice Bomb for a while, but it was just barely out of range, I also tried using a bomb and sand rod to get up on top of a sand pillar and throw a bomb from there, but I didn't manage to do that either.
It'd save a decent amount of time if it someone could pull it off without a nice bomb.

I'll try to pay more attention to the thread from now on to prevent double-posting stuff.

Edit:
I managed to skip raising the sand on the 3rd floor of the Desert Palace:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/desert_palace_3rd_floor_skip.jpg
I made the statues follow me to the wall and jump into me so that I gained invincibility and had them stand inside of me. Then I used tornado rod to fly up in the air along with them. The statues collision pushed me to the right and I landed up on the ledge. I tried it again after, it wasn't hard at all.

Thought about this too! I was talking to ZFG and Faschz about it the past few days just none of us had tried it since ZFG and I have been doing Any% and FaschZ has been looking for glitches. Good to know this works though! Nice Bombs are totally worth it now for that dungeon in 100%!

ALSO, in the room with the blocks you're supposed to raise the bombs up to the blocks, if you throw nice bombs up there at them it blows them up without using the rod... This might save a re-equip if you change equipment for something... Also it'll just be faster in general. I'm curious if you can hit the switch with a nice bomb and just skip the entire room now actually...

EDIT: You edited your post and posted a new skip when I was typing this out... just saw your new update for the 3rd Floor Skip.... Nevermind then! haha

So, I found a way to skip the Dark Palace Maze.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/dark_palace_maze_skip_1.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/dark_palace_maze_skip_2.jpg

You lure a snap dragon into the corner between the tree and pegs. After that you'll be able to clip slightly into the tree by using tornado rod (or stun it with boomerang after taking damage and walk into the corner).
When you land, use pegasus boots to the right, you'll bounce off the tree and land on the pegs to the left. Then walk on the pegs to the other side, the guard won't be able to see you because you aren't on the same height as him.

Volvagia is throwing together a video for me.

Edit:
Here's the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5aYaNLJ5E
It doesn't have the guards, but it does show how to do the trick.

Edit2:
In the 2nd room of the dark palace, after the small key spawns, you can grab it with the Hookshot by standing on the right tile that you're supposed to blow up.
In the 1F main room in the top left there's a floor tile you're supposed to blow up after falling down there. You can simply throw a bomb up there instead.
On 2F, the room where you have to blow up the closed windows, you do not actually have to activate any of the switches, the upper right and left one can easily be hit by throwing a bomb.
The lower right one is slightly trickier and most of link has to stand over the void so that you're throwing the bomb straight to the right, where the window is.

All are kinda obvious, but decided to post it anyway.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GARXoOMuybE&feature=youtu.be
Possible to use this glitch to get in the house with the kissing lady?
That has a dark world portal after all.

No, you can't use the Hookshot for that Swamp Palace skip. It doesn't reach far enough. You don't need to not have that room completed to try it, just go in and see if you can reach the switch.


It is documented. In the first post. :P There's only two pages, it's not that hard to just ctrl + f to check if something's been found already before posting about it...

Nice Dark Palace stuff though, I just practiced that dungeon last night and didn't think of some of that "obvious" stuff somehow. How would that maze skip be done in a run? Currently I don't think we're getting either a shield or a boomerang, so it might be tough to make that work. Wouldn't be hard to just rent the Boomerang I guess but pushing enemies with the boomerang is so slow...

Strange useless glitch involving chickens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXgBJeO2CP0

Lorule Palace Small Key early:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/lorule_castle_early_small_key_1.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/lorule_castle_early_small_key_2.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/lorule_castle_early_small_key_3.jpg
From the 2nd floor you walk slightly down left, open the small chest from behind, then walk back up to 2nd floor.
I do not really think it is faster than grabbing it the normal way and just warping back up because of the 2 empty rooms you walk thru.

hookshot, normal hookshot doesn't hurt enemies.

I figured out a way to save some time in Lorule Castle.
By using the Pegasus Boots from 3F down to the small key you land on the chest. (karterfreak figured this part out)
By falling down into the lava right after opening the chest without walking to far from the ledges, your respawn point will stay up on 3F, so you'll go all the way back up instantly. This makes it so that you won't have to use the warp back up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0wJzeZ6Kow video for reference of above minus the lava warp part.

In the Tower of Hera, if you wait for a short bit before picking up the heart container, it just shows the Pendant for you to grab. Relevant for potential Low%, should also work in House of Gales.

Works in House of Gales, too. You do not have to pick up the heart container.

I don't think it is possible. You cannot bring a chicken inside a house with you, nor can you leave the village.

What does bringing a chicken inside have to do with anything?
All you have to do is figure out a way to clip enough into the wall to go through the house or door?


I also wonder if portals always work, even before they are shown.. if it's true, and you clip a bit into the wall where a portal should be, maybe you can activate it early.
Guess the best way to figure this one out is the north east house in kakariko village.

Haha woah, you're totally right, bringing a chicken inside has nothing to do with it. I don't know what I was thinking. I don't know-- would you like to try to clip into that house?

Here's a quick video I made of the 3F skip in Desert Palace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxLHMeCWN4w

People seemed to have trouble with it, so I made a video.
It may also be easier if you use two statues, I used one since I had already killed the other one.

Sorry about the quality, recorded with my iphone, didn't want to bother fixing my camera and stuff.

Portals don't work like that. If they did, we wouldn't be able to clip through them, we would warp instead.

Also, thanks CloudMax for explaining clipping, though you actually had to land on of the enemy to be able to clip for some reason :P

Ok, here's a pretty good sequence break in Turtle Rock: http://www.twitch.tv/parax0/c/3322719

This skips a small chunk of the dungeon and a small key.

If someone wants to find a better way to do this, PLEASE be my guest. This is an absolute bitch to do consistently.

I found another glitch in Kakariko Village. I think it's safe to assume it's utterly useless, but nonetheless, it's interesting. As far as I can tell, this is the only spot it will work. (Within Kakariko Village.)

Please excuse the shakiness of the camera, I was too lazy to go set up my tripod.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbMmys8A7wY&feature=youtu.be

I seem to get it very consistently by killing the first wizzrobe with an arrow to get the 100 rupee small chest platform to rise. Then just going off the right of that and straight down against the wall. You still respawn in the same place as in your video after falling in the lava. One less wizzrobe to worry about, and going straight down is pretty easy. In the video, you ended up killing that wizzrobe anyway.

I managed to find a little timesaver and a skip in House of Gales.

Can someone tell me if skip 2 is faster than just using the Tornado Rod? I'm certain using the Hookshot is faster than the Tornado Rod, it's harder using the Tornado Rod. Hookshot seems to be faster.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmegAzoOWr4
(Please excuse the noise the camera makes)

EDIT: Greenalink has already found out the first method. I didn't realize. Apologies to Greenalink! Go check out his video, it's done in a better manner.

I should probably get better at documenting stuff I find also...

Skip 1 is known, Greenalink has a video of it and in a better method too...

Skip 2 is also known by me and ZFG, not sure how many others are doing it like this, but we use the hookshot to get the key... I should have probably said this earlier... my bad.



...yeah that's it I'm documenting every little thing we find even it's utterly useless... We already knew this (ZFG, FaschZ and I) and since it was totally useless none of us documented it I guess... FaschZ found it before I did but when he saw me doing it he said it didn't have a use and just named it "infinite dash"... yeah, pointless...

Yes-- you should! If you've already found some stuff out, you should definitely post. Should help us out!

Ah, my bad! Apologies to Greenalink, then. I didn't realize. I made sure to ctrl+f to see if anything of the likes had been posted. Must've slipped past me. Sorry!

http://forums.zeldaspeedruns.com/index.php?topic=1478.msg25716#msg25716

(ZFG's post after this one says hookshot)

Unrelatedly. Sahasrhala's house is locked at the beginning of the game. If you use the cucco clip to get inside early, he'll be asleep when you walk in, but talking to him just makes him say "Hurry on ahead! I'll join you there just as soon as I can." Doesn't seem to be possible to trigger the cutscene that usually happens here, which is unfortunate. Woulda been cool if there was a way to skip some of the intro crap.

I don't know if this has happened to anyone else, but my game just froze XD
I was using the pegasus boots on the tree in the top right corner of hyrule, and I collided with it and then it just randomly froze.

I found a nifty little trick with the Ice Rod on the boss in the Swamp Palace.

When you get the boss to phase 2 after you kill all of its eyes, you are able to completely freeze the boss with the Ice Rod. This completely interrupts what the boss is doing and he will even remain idle for about a second after he unfreezes, allowing you to get more hits in. This also works on the boss in Lorule Castle. I was able to kill the boss pretty quickly in phase 2 once I discovered this. I wonder if it would be possible to quick kill him in phase 2 by freezing him and attacking him repeatedly, not allowing him to move at all.

I managed to get past the girl outside the Treacherous Tower. Sadly there is no loading zone or anything there. It's just an empty space you can walk around in.
You can also merge around the entire tower, but there's nothing of value, not even any visual errors.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/icq9m221o9r2bq9/2013-12-01%2013.00.30.mov

Edit:
I found a way to skipe Rosso's Ore Mine. It should be slightly faster? At least it looks way more awesome, since it uses 3 glitches. One to get pushed up on a ledge, keeping pegasus boots momentum, and then using Tornado Rod right after respawning in midair to clip out of the mountain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvexWxr3qEw

Edit2:
It's possible to skip opening the first Locked Door on 2F in House of Gales, giving you a spare key for 3F, making it possible to go straight for the boss when you reach that floor.
I still don't know of a consistent way of doing this, and I haven't been able to do it while recording at all.
Where you get the Big Key there are 4 armos. You can use the armos to get pushed to the upper ledge while using Tornado Rod, bypassing the locked door.
This would save a lot of time, but is hard to pull off, especially with just 4 or 5 hearts.
I'm trying to record it on a file that haven't done gales yet to display how much it actually would skip, but I just keep dying.

Edit3: Outside Eastern Palace you can use an armos to get up on a ledge and merge onto the cliff to the right and get up onto an otherwise unreachable cliff. You can't reach any interesting places from it.
You can also do it in the northern section outside the palace, next to the statue (non-moving armos), and merge all the way over the left side, until your get to another normally unreachable cliff. It's possible to transition over to next screen, but you can't do anything from there as far as I can tell.

Edit4: It doesn't seem to be possible to clip thru stuff with hookshot. In Hyrule Lost Woods I managed to use a chuchu to clip slightly into a wall and hook onto a stock stump (This is in the northeast section of lost woods), but I did not get pulled thru. The hookshot is simply removed and thing continues as normally. Someone should re-confirm this though, since I may just have been very, very unlucky multiple times.

You can also get up on the sides in Hyrule Lost Woods, the opening that leads to the piece of heart can be used together with a ChuChu to clip into it, then use tornado rod to get up on top.

Great find, Cloudmax. I've been trying all day so far to do this, but I've had no luck. Can you give a more in-depth explanation? That would help a ton! If I finally figure out how to perform this, I can get a recording for you if you'd like.

The thing is, I don't have an in-depth explanation. I can't even replicate it myself. I got up again once, but just barely and link slided down and didn't stay up there. I tried to replicate it while recording for like 30 minutes or so, no luck. I used 2 armos, and I got up on the bottom ledge, not the one to the right. (I basically aimed for the bottom right corner of it, trying to land there)

Ah, okay! I'll be sure to try and attempt it.

Speaking of House of Gales, I found another little timesaver. Honestly, I don't think you would ever need to use this in a run, but even so, it's mildly interesting.
It requires you have the Pegasus Boots.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKqE3Is0Gfk&feature=youtu.be

That ones interesting, it's unfortunate that it doesn't actually take you to an useful location.

And I can finally understand why Greenalink hasn't been able to get a Lorule Castle early yet. There's no freaking collision under either the doorsteps, or the entire castle for that matter.
I've managed to find ways to clip up onto both sides of the bridge, stand on both sides of the castle, and even clip under the castle from both sides, but there's just no collision. If there were, it would probably be possible to just walk under and use tornado rod into the loading zone. sadly, nintendo decided not to put collision under this specific building. :(

Also, why is the ground up on both sides next to the lorule castle door ice? At least the section covered by the blue magic thingy acts like Ice. The same actor isn't used elsewhere as far as I know, so it makes no sense for it to change the floor surface type to ice, unless it was originally some other actor or whatever.

Edit:
Tried to merge around the cliff southeast of the Vacant House.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/cliff_merge_southeast_vacant_house.jpg
You can't walk further than that. all you get is a visual error in the bottom left.

Edit2:
If you have the scroll it's possible to merge in the other direction, all the way to the ledge where the Big Boulder is. You can clip thru them if you fall onto them correctly, and enter the caves behind them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0V6T2Dc-7Q
Someone should confirm if it's possible to do the same thing with the boulder south of the big bomb area.

This enemy + tornado rod seems like this will be the most useful glitch of the game.


Loving this ledge walking the most so far.

Last night I was screwing around with the spike ball room in Lorule Castle trying to figure out a way to skip the evil floor tile room. You can actually do some semi interesting stuff with the first rolling spike ball (the one blocked by a statue). Move the statue so the ball rolls past then move it back into position and use the tornado rod as the next ball comes out and you can sort of briefly stand on top of the ball before you get shoved back off. This lets you get onto the railings, which unfortunately doesn't let you do anything interesting aside from skipping knocking down the first spiked ball. You can move the statue to stop the rolling spike ball wherever you want though, and it seems that it's not a situation that the devs thought of, because it's possible to get yourself permanently trapped in a couple spots and be forced to reset the game to get out.

Didn't find anything useful though unfortunately.

edit: Oh, may as well mention something else too. I was messing around with the early Desert Palace boss arena glitch, and I didn't find a way to make it work, but I did notice a couple strange things. First is that there's actually an invisible wall running around the edge of the arena, and when you first clip in you're behind it. This means you can actually run around on the edge of the wall. Doesn't let you do anything interesting though. Second, I have no idea why, but for some reason when you first clip in, your sand pillars are higher than they're supposed to be. Usually you can just make sand pillars here and run across the top, but after clipping in they're too high to run on so you have to merge to run around. If you cross over to where the boss battle is supposed to start, they change to the height they're supposed to be at.

edit 2: Also also. If you make sand pillars at the entrance to Desert Palace and try to pegasus boots off the ledge going up-left, you can get RIDICULOUSLY close to landing on top and skipping half the dungeon. I'm pretty sure you could make it if you could get on top of one of the railings. Wondering if one of you guys might have better luck than I did with that. There's a few vulture enemies around and you can get them to follow you to the railing; the problem is you can't use the tornado rod to clip with them, because the tornado rod will push them out of the way. Ice rod will kill them instantly. The closest I got was getting on top of the railing adjacent to the stairs, but it turns out you can't stand on that and Link just zips straight down to the ground. If it were possible we could probably skip the Titan Mitts as well, I don't think they're needed anywhere.

Unless I remember it wrong, isn't the titans mitts used in the very last room, after you open the boss door? You make a path of sand pillars, lift a boulder, make another path of sand pillars, and get out.

I also tried to use pegasus to skip earlier, I had no luck with it either. I didn't manage to get up on any of the railings though. Made no progress at all with that.

I dunno if you're supposed to use them there, but you don't need them. I just make a sand pillar along the right wall, pegasus down, and then merge with the wall for the last bit.

Ahh, I guess that makes sense. I didn't even realise that you could use the Sand Rod on the sides. I guess that solves that problem. So in theory we could skip Mitts if we could just get past the very few boulders that are blocking the path. That's interesting.

Also, I'm not sure if I mentioned this in the thread, but the screen transitions aren't completely grid based like ALTTP. You can only transition in the direction that the area you're in normally would be able to. I tried this on multiple locations while OoB on cliffs, I could transition OoB in directions normally possible, but not others.

http://zeldaspeedruns.com/albw/info/item-attack-power

Note that the Super Net and Super Lamp have the same attack power as the "butter" sword.

Probably obvious, but this is a timesaver in HoG. It's simple, yet effective. It only shaves about a half second off, but I mean, that could mean the difference in a WR run.

(If this was posted somewhere- sorry. But, ctrl+f gave me nothing.)

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrTVR9xfFhc&feature=youtu.be
(ZFG also linked a video of this same method, I hadn't realized. My apologies!)

Yeah, it's very interesting that the Super Lamp and Net has same damage as Lv. 3 sword. I mean, if you have a Lv. 2 sword, it should technically be better to just use the Super Lamp, shouldn't it?


That's been posted somewhere before, I'm not really sure where though. It's a nice little timesaver indeed. I believe many runners are already using it however.

I don't recall it being posted before, anywhere. Atleast, not on these forums. I haven't seen it before ever.
Yeah! Definitely. It's a neat little timesaver and should definitely be used.

ZFG linked it in the original post. http://www.twitch.tv/irule782/c/3294168

Oh, boy. He did, too! Thanks! Should I just remove my post?

lol I wouldn't worry too much about it tbh, some people may not have seen it yet (for example, some guy named vortex seemed to have missed it)

Just be careful next time :P

Question: Are there any enemies in the game that have weaknesses to a particular item?

Yes, certain ice enemies will instantly die to the fire rod.

I think that some fire and ice wiz-robes are either weak to their opposite rod or resistant to their similar one.

Other than that there are some enemies that are easier to fight with certain items, but there isn't any inherent damage boost... I think

EDIT: This is all completely off the top of my head, feel free to disregard.

AFAIK all of the Wizrobes in Turtle Rock die in two Ice Rod hits regardless of their type, so I don't think there's any weaknesses.

edit: Here's a video of CloudMax's House of Gales skip http://www.twitch.tv/parax0/c/3329708

bonus: this was in the middle of a run

Dude, you are simply amazing in every possible way. Because that looks like a pretty decent setup of the trick to me.
Does that work every time? If so, then that's awesome.

Haha, it doesn't unfortunately. I can get it fairly regularly but it's still not all that consistent. The biggest issue I have is that with that setup Link doesn't always get pushed to the left. It's kinda random which way he goes. Moving changes how the Armor bounces. Still needs a little more work to be consistent. I was ridiculously lucky to get it first try in a run.

I just tried it 3 times, got it 2 of them. It seems decently consistent at the very least. Unlike when I first tried to replicate the glitch and it could take me an hour, haha.
Roughly how much time do you think this'd save? It seems like quite a bit to me, but I don't really know how fast 3F is done, so I can't really tell.
I'll mess around a little with the trick myself to see if I can get it to work a little more consistent.

Pretty sure it saves a ton of time, because you can skip the gigantic detour at the end of the dungeon (as well as the most annoying room in the dungeon), plus you can cut out making a detour for the boss key. Maybe 45 seconds to a minute or so? It actually makes the whole route for the dungeon flow much nicer.

edit: http://www.twitch.tv/parax0/b/484316102 jump to 3:28:50 if you wanna see a run I did earlier where I didn't get the break. If I hadn't even attempted it then I would've detoured outside for the boss key right before taking the fan up to 3F.

When you go to meet Zelda, Impa tells you to wait and read the paintings. However, if you just wait and do nothing, she comes back anyway after 20 seconds. I'm pretty sure this is faster, as I timed reading all the paintings at about 23 seconds, plus time to run to the stairs. If you do nothing, you can wait right next to the stairs.

Also just to confirm, I got all 100 maiamais with no bought items, and she won't give you great spin until you upgrade all 9 items.

here is my set up for it i use the tiles on the ground and my hat to align myself and when getting hit it seems to be timed when you use the rod to get up
http://youtu.be/vtdfTEstnHY

I messed around a little in Thieves' Hideout. I found nothing useful, but some weird stuff.
In the room where you raise/lower the bars, you can stand on top of them when they raise, without falling down. They are slightly lower than the walls though, so you can't walk around up on the walls.
And I also messed around a little with Greenalinks merge glitch, turns out that it doesn't have anything at all to do with the shield thing in the air?
Basically, it's possible to store merge locations in this room. I have no idea why, and it doesn't seem to work anywhere else. To store a merge location you have to use pegasus away from a wall that you can merge with, and cancel the pegasus boots at a location where you can't merge. Now you've stored the merge location. Now in order to get ported back to that location you have to walk to one of the specific locations in this room and press A the correct frame(s?), and you'll get ported back.
These specific locations are present at all the rooms doors, including in front of the boss door, a vertical line between the two higher level platforms at the north section of the room, and a few other locations that I can't really remember in specific. The merge location will be stored as long as you do not walk next to a wall where you can merge, or use pegasus boots again. I have no idea if it gets cleared after using items and such. It is also cleared when leaving the room. And it gets cleared directly after you reach one of these locations, so if you do not time it correctly, you have to go and store a new merge location.

So yeah, for some reason you can simply store your merge locations and activate them from various odd locations...

Here's a quick video I threw together to show it in action: http://youtu.be/947oitTMn1s

Timed this... it's a few seconds faster. As Fergbot said to me on twitter "I can see it now, people asking why is he waiting? Isn't this a speedrun?"... oh well, painting skip confirmed. Standing next to the guard and just waiting is now the fastest way for this room.

A few potentially obvious things:

Taking damage during the animation of picking up a large rock will cause the rock to instantly drop and smash, instead of having to wait the entire animation.

During the Blind, the Thieves' Hideout's boss, if you get hit during his spin attack, he will stop sooner than if you avoided it entirely.

The large penguin in the Ice Ruins does not appear to be knocked back when running, but if you kite it long enough he will go back to sliding wherein knockback does work.

So I found a couple of timesavers in lorule. They might have already been found, but here they are:

Big Bomb Trial Timesaver:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRsefT3rV8I

Lava Platform Trial Timesaver:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brgL5ixzbd4

A Very Interesting Stair Clip OOB In the Lantern Trial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cGEvpi1iOc

(also if you have the upgraded wind rod thingy it does damage to enemies. It's very interesting when you kill an enemy whilst trying to clip while in mid-air. It causes you to gain a little extra height if the enemy dies at the arc of the wind.)

    Throwing two bombs in quick succession over there when you're still on the lower ground also works. Then you just walk on over to the big bomb as the switch activates twice without needing to stop to shoot an arrow.
It might be a tad faster, but also might only work with nice bombs, which would make this worth only on 100%.

Edit: Merge warp trick works on 3rd floor of lorule castle.

Is it useful? Video pls  :)

This may be obvious to those who know the early desert palace boss door, but I was able to get onto the platform with the boss key in desert palace without filling the room with sand using the same method.

Here's the video for the merge glitch in Lorule castle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEWm8YChT1E
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And the bomb trial timesaver:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5ZhkvoUcXc

Hah. I did look thru multiple dungeons without finding a room where you could store merge. I never did try it in Lurle castle.
It really seems like it must be related to rooms where you look down other other rooms below. I mean, is it really a coincidence that both Thieves' and Lorule Castle, where it works, you look down on a floor below with perfect view.
This may also work somewhere in the Ice Ruins if that's the case.

Dunno if this is common knowledge but I haven't seen it mentioned. In the Lost Woods, the ghosts always end up in the same spots, the only randomness is which direction they pick. First round the ghost ends on the right, second round they end top and bottom. Third is always down so it doesn't matter.

The ghosts cant walk up, left or right on 1st and 2nd round. I tested it multiple times on a file. Only last one is always down.

Edit: nevermind me. It appears I wasn't completely awake yet and didn't understand the message.

This isn't actually and if this is complete set in stone fact then that's good because I tend to not pay attention mid animation of it all... If I can just look at the last position for them before they separate from their circle then that's brilliant.


This is interesting, we also need the small key in that room still don't we? Not sure if the room where you raise the sand is locked without going through the dungeons again myself... But I'm pretty sure we need the key... two boosts seem pretty... time costly if you fail them for a bit and pretty impending on death also if you don't have Blue Mail at that given point in time.

Yeah, we still need the small key there. Getting the boss key early basically allows you to skip entering the room that you use to fill the sand.
However, you can grab that key without moving the gargoyle, making it pretty fast. Just use the bow/hookshot to hit the switch when standing on the red blocks in the bottom left, then throw a bomb to the switch, and move to the blue blocks. You'll get up to the small key, removing the need to go up and move the gargoyle, saving a few seconds.
And the boost really isn't difficult, I can do it without any trouble. (I have an easier time doing it from the corner in front of the chest)
You can also throw a bomb, then use bow/hookshot so that you won't have to wait, the timing is much stricter though.
You could even do another boost to get up to the small key, but that doesn't even seem worth it.

I assume that it is common knowledge by now that you can get pushed up onto any surface with the use of a living armos/gargoyle as long as the Tornado Rod reaches up? (which is why I hate the fact that there isn't one in Skull Woods...)

Edit:
It's not just 3F main room of lorule castle that could to the merge glitch. You can also do it on 2F. So we now know that it works in 3 rooms in the game. all of which has a clear view of a room below it.
I haven't gotten it to work anywhere in Ice Ruins yet however. Which is kind of surprising to me, since it has various rooms that are similar to that of lorule castle and thieves' hideout.

In Ice Ruins I tried to boost from the Northern B2 room into the Miniboss room of B3. However, there seems to be a pretty obvious invisible wall blocking it? I tried with boots cancel and all that, and link "slide" against the air, not moving forward, until he reaches B4, where he regain the ability to move forward and fall down into the void, respawning at B2 again. tried several times, vertically, diagonally, etc.

I can't see the video, It's private.

I don't think this is something new? There are several locations in the game were you can dash indefinitely in corners.
I am not entirely positive if they cause link to bounce around as if he is almost clipping though, except for one location in Lorule, where he actually does clip, right after he bounce around in the corner for a very short moment.

Edit: A very, very useless merge clip in 1F Lorule Castle.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/a_link_in_the_stairs.jpg
You basically get up on the lower railing on the right side of 1F by falling down onto it from higher ground, then merge to the right wall, make your way over to the left side by walking to the left on the wall.
You'll notice that you're able to walk right thru the staircase from the opposite direction when merged onto the wall. This could be the stairs missing collision on the opposite side. I assume that this is the case, because I do not see why there'd be merge collision that only prevent you to move from one of the directions, I can't think of anywhere in the game where this would be the case. So the staircase simply not having collision under it seems to be more logical?

I can't really think of anywhere in the game where it may be possible to replicate this.
It does however display that they may have skipped collision on locations where they don't intend you to be, even though it is possible to reach it without even performing any kind of glitches.

Edit2: Okey, It is most likely just the stairs lacking collision from below.
I just managed to use Tornado Rod thru a floor in Lorule Castle:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/clip_thru_floor_1.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/clip_thru_floor_2.jpg
I didn't move or anything between the 2 pictures, I only used the tornado rod once.

I think this has been pointed out three times now in this thread alone lol.

You don't need to Merge against the flip walls in the Dark Palace to be moved along with them. As long as you're running against them it seems to usually push you onto the other side.

Additionally, there might(?) be a way to clip into walls with the flip walls by merging if you get kicked out by low meter. I had a weird thing happen to me at the Dark Palace Master Ore that I'm unable to recreate, so this is probably nothing?

While we're at it, I should probably mention that it is possible to charge past the two switches in the northern room of 2F to get past the flip walls, as long as they're rotating in the correct direction.
You can charge up-right past the switch in the middle to get to the right side of the wall.
You can also charge down-right past the top left switch in the room to get to the middle of the room.
This makes it so that you wont have to use any items. I'm not really sure if this actually save any time, but it's something I guess.

Has anyone tried using merge storage to clip through things? A few days ago I tried it in Lorule Castle to see if I could figure out trials skip. You can store a merge on one side of the door, then go around to the other side and activate it. Sometimes it actually looks like Link gets stuck briefly behind the door before popping onto the wall on the other side. Probably useless, but it feels like there just might be something there.

I mentioned it in irc much earlier today when cloud asked about it. If hitting a crystal switch results in both crystals in the top floor, northern room of the Dark Palace being activated, the walls will not rotate.

Has anyone found a consistent way of performing this glitch? It's enraging me to no end. Performing it with just 3-4 hearts is ridiculous, and getting it has been very inconsistent.

it's mostly timing. Merge into the wall to set up for the position, try to get Link as close to the ledge as possible without being under it, and wait for the armos to get directly in front of you, then pop out and take a hit. then don't move. you'll want to tornado rod when the armos is at about the peak of its second hop after hitting you. takes some practice and it's very precise, but it can be done with some level of reliability. (also, the timing of when you pop out of the wall doesn't affect the glitch; the armos snaps back onto the ground after hitting you, so it won't change the hopping cycles)

Hi, I don't have this game, but I was watching Zander run it and he accidentally did something similar to Collection Delay in OoT. When you pick up a key with a hookshot and mash A after he grabs it, Link will do a grabbing animation instead of holding the key over his head, delaying the CS. If you pick up a bomb during this time it can delay it even further, probably until you throw the bomb since Link's hands are busy. This would make sense since in OoT you can delay collection by holding a bomb over your head. Might be worth looking into, here's a link:

www.twitch.tv/zandergothsrl/b/484994986?t=369m30s

EDIT: also, forgive me if this is known.

EDIT: another example from the same run:
www.twitch.tv/zandergothsrl/c/3344546?t=118m50s

 I tried collection delay with bombs myself, and just like I suspected in the IRC, if you're holding a bomb, the key seem to just land on you, as you can't pick up keys when holding a bomb.
However, you can clearly see that he is delaying the collection with his grab animation in the 2nd example.

And here's a small timesaver in HoG
http://youtu.be/Puo-sPs_JOo
Basically you just hit the switch with your sword instead of using a spin attack (may be slower? idk)
but the main thing in the video is the fact that it's possible to pegasus slide over to the stairs so that you don't have to re-enter the room.

Edit:
Another small timesaver in HoG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPjRPAhmQYM
I don't really know why this happens, so I can't get it to work every time. But basically sometimes you can fly past the floor switch so that you don't have to use the 2 fans in the upper left section of the room.
I guess this'd save 1-3 seconds, mostly useful in IL runs. But if someone can get it to work every time, I don't see a reason not to do it.

Edit2:
I looked into the collection delay a bit more.
So, like I said earlier, if you hold a bomb, it doesn't delay the pickup, the key simply land behind you instead.
I used this in Hera to move the key in 3F to 2F. It required me to do the bomb pick strat twice.
Then I jumped down to 2F. The key will fade away like all other objects from 3F, and re-appear at 3F again.
However, I tried it a second time landing directly on the key in 2F. That way it doesn't have any time to despawn before I pick it up.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/key_on_wrong_floor.jpg
This really doesn't do anything interesting at all. It's not like it dupes the key or anything.
Just figured that I'd post my result here in case anyone else had similar ideas.

I tried to fiddle around with this a bit while practicing some other stuff, and the only thing I came up with this was that it seems to only work (Or work more often) when you hold down/diagonally down-right. Other directions might work too though.

I feel like there's some amount of control you have while on the wind, just not enough to be meaningful in normal gameplay. So it might be simply related to your position and the direction you're holding.

That's what I initially thought, but then I tried walk up on the switch from multiple directions, vertically, horizontally, diagonally, etc., and it seemed completely random to me. :/

I don't know if this is common knowledge as well, but it can be done with gargoyle statues as well. It's more complicated though as the need a very specific distance from a wall, and the ledge you need to climb, and you need something to damage boost yourself in there... I've only managed to make it work in Lorule castle. On 3F you can move one gargoyle as far in the bottom right corner as it will go, then move the other one left of it, with one square in between. If you then stand in that square and use the fire rod you'll damage yourself into a corner. if you then use the tornado rod you'll land on the ledge and you can drop down to merge with the wall on floor 2F and get to the fairy fountain... The normal way of getting there is way faster though, and I haven't found anywhere else to set up gargoyles like this and have it work.

I also found a way to almost clip into a wall in the thieves dungeon (forgot its name) if you set up the gargoyles in the 2nd room with one square in between, and the thief girl on that square, you can bomb damage yourself into the thief girl. Normally if this happens you'll pop out on her left or right side after the invisibility frames are over, but because you can't you can kinda clip behind her. if you then rapidly sword slash and move up you can almost clip into the wall, I even got damaged by the arrow in the wall that's on the other side... I don't know if this will be useful in any way. but maybe with the thief girl there's a way to clip into a wall somewhere else in the dungeon. Even then I don't know if that will serve any purpose, I'm just throwing the stuff I found out there.

I dunno. If it really depends on where the wind picks you up at, it'd be hard to be at the same spot every time. Which, of course, makes it relatively unreliable.



So, one thing that came up while I was roaming around was with the turtles you need to save to get to Turtle Rock.
The one that's stuck in the wall, I was able to swim to the place he appears at, which looked pretty weird, being half-merged with the turtle, but after the turtle left, Link fell through the water.

Now, that's another thing that's going to be 'never-useful', but it was interesting nonetheless.

Reason why collision in ALBW is goofy

(http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/_ui/images/3ds/alinkbetweenworlds/photo12.jpg)

Not much of a glitch, but the 5 rupee chest on the left room of Hyrule Castle 1F refills if you reset. I'm guessing they forgot to put its "opened" flag in the save file for some reason. Maybe because it's such a useless, seldom-seen chest. BUT, if there are any other chests like this, and they have big money in them and are near a save point, it could mean a farmable source of cash.

Yeah, I saw this in that gamefaqs thread that people mentions in the IRC on occassions. I'd assume that they just overlooked it.

This is not really related to that chest, and I'm sure many of you, if not all of you, have already noticed that for some reason, they decided not to save many flags used for various switches and such in dungeons. In House of Gales for example. The switch in the entrance room, and the switch in the 1F main room that activate the fan that allows you to access the fan to 2F is only saved temporarily.
They seem to stay active, until you save and reload the file that is.
I found this specific example kind of odd, considering the switch in the bottom left room of 1F stay activated, so that you can just go in there and use the Tornado Rod in your next session. The question I keep asking myself is, why keep that one activated so that you don't have to go thru the entire room, and not the switch right right outside it, which would let you skip having to re-enter the other room every play session?
I don't really understand this decision?
There are a number of other locations that I can't think off from the top of my head where I've questioned why they decide to save some dungeon flags, and not others, especially when they do decide to save the ones which are less convenient.
I can't imagine that this is something they overlooked, they must've decided to simply not save some of the flags.

That's pretty weird about the dungeon flags. The only ones I have an answer for are ones in the first room, like the hookshot thing at the start of Swamp Palace. Those are always reset so you can't enter the dungeon without the dungeon item. As for the rest, who knows.

I checked every chest in the game and the only respawning one is the 5 rupee chest in Hyrule Castle. The 5 rupee chest on Ice Ruins B1 vanishes for no reason after you get it and leave, though. The chest on northwest B4 also vanishes until you hit the switch again, but it's still empty. Which dungeon switches stay hit or get reset seems really random.

Cloud, it's because you're not a game designer. In every dungeon that requires a specific item, the first room has a puzzle that can only be solved with that item. That puzzle resets when re-entering the dungeon to prevent the player from becoming trapped in the boss room without the item needed to defeat the boss.

This is not the case for House of Gales though. Hitting the switch requires no items. The item is needed to use the fans, which are activated by the switch.
I do however understand the idea. I didn't consider the fact that they did this in all dungeon entrances. In that case, it makes perfect sense.
It still doesn't make sense that they'd not store things such as the switch flag in the HoG Main Room that activates the fan in the bottom left of the room. After getting past the entrance room, you don't need any items to get back to that switch, so there's no reason related to requiring a specific item at that point, forcing you to re-hit the switch to make sure that you have the proper items with you.

And I still think I recall other similar cases in the game where various switches have to be re-activated, I can't think of any from the top of my head though, so I may just be making things up in my head without realising it. However, there is no explanation for saving the flag in the southwest room of 1F in HoG, and not the main room in 1F. I just don't see it.

Edit:
Saw the thing about the small chest in Ice Ruins. That's one of the switch flags I were thinking off. You have to activate it again, and it respawn an empty chest.

I mentioned in the irc the other that someone didn't have their stamina energy bar on Zelda Universe. They posted back with proof

http://bruceaking.com/Z.JPG

Weird glitch, but since they still have a limit of how often they can use the weapon, this glitch is very unhelpful.
I wonder how he got it though.

Even if useless, It'd be totally sweet to record all glitch videos on a file with that glitch. Less UI blocking the view.
Sure, pointless in the speedrunning perspective (unless the glitch actually is achieved in a way that makes it faster. Imagine skipping the dialog introducing the energy bar, etc.), but a cool glitch nonetheless.

The hearts are moved over to make room for the gauge. It's there, it's just invisible for some reason.

I just messed around a bit

How to skip the Energy Bar:
Go to the eastern palace location and trigger the cutscene with the bow pillars.
Return to Ravio, pick the wrong option. (anything except bow)
Get at least 10 rupees.
Get gameover.

Ravio will ask you if you want to lend the bow *AGAIN*, even though you never had it. My guess is that no matter which option you pick in the dialog earlier, the game sets the flag that lets you lend the bow after a game over.

So pay 10 rupees, get the bow, leave. You won't get a tutorial for the energy bar or anything. You can return to Ravio and he'll ask you which symbol you saw again. pick bow, and you'll get the bow again, on top of the one you already have. you can't have 2.

You'll still have limited energy. You just won't see it.

Picture: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/skip_energy_bar.jpg

Edit:
By doing this, you'll skip the Energy Bar explanation.
You will also not have to do the conversation outside of eastern palace, you can walk right in. the sage isn't there.

Edit2:
Interesting side-effect after beating Eastern Palace:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/when_one_isnt_enough.jpg

Edit3:
By telling Ravio that you saw the Bow symbol after beating the eastern palace, Osfala will appear at the entrance so that you can go back and do the dialog after beating the dungeon.
It is possible to do this until Ravio opens up shop in your house. After having the dialog with Osfala, the first Sahasrahla will disappear from Kakariko Village.

Cloudmax also found a thing where if you soft reset (R+L+Start) during a room transition inside a building/dungeon, the game crashes. It's hilariously easy to do and 100% consistent.

I timed the energy bar glitch, it turns out to be 10 seconds slower than going through the cutscenes normally. Also if you get the stamina scroll with that glitch active, the energy bar will reappear but you will get a visual glitch were the hearts and energy bar will overlap on screen.

I also discovered an interesting glitch using the pegasus boots. If you start to charge up a dash at same time you fall of a ledge (this only works with ledges you can run off, it doesnt work with ledges that you jump off) you can charge up a dash in midair. I tried to test whether you could dash in midair but couldnt find any ledge that was high enough. I tried it in the cave to rosso's ore mine but my charging got cut off in midair. If you transition between floors it also cancels the charge. I'm wondering whether anyone can think of any extremely tall ledges to try this of off.

Small time saver in Desert Palace. After the room where you have to push 3 statues on switches to open a door, when you go through that door you end up back in the first room of the Palace, and Link stands directly on a switch, which pushes the right wall back to reveal an hidden staircase. The thing is we never actually use that staircase, so the switch is useless and the animation wastes time.

But, in the previous room, if you dash towards the bottom left after placing the last statue (I place the top one last), Link will go straight into the doorway, and when he comes out in the other room he won't be standing on the switch, meaning you can avoid pressing it and skip the useless animation. :)

EDIT: Also, another thing I forgot and that might not be known by everybody, when breaking a portion of the floor with a bomb, you can stand directly on the breakable part, be in range of the bomb explosion and still not take damage from it.

Made a vod showing my setups for the first couple keys in ice ruins. The damage boost on the second is consistent 100% of the time, and if you hit the enemy a little more straight on than I did you slide right through the door.

edit: I guess I could link it, lol. http://www.twitch.tv/xcluck/c/3386078

That Hookshot trick is pretty neat, I think it's 1 cycle earlier than my own "early cycle" strat with the Fire Rod. :P I'm not sure about the penguins boost though. Ennemies are pretty brutal in Ice Ruins, and taking a 2 damage hit on purpose when you have 7-8 hearts might not be the best idea for everyone. If you can go with it though, then great! :)

EDIT: I actually gave the penguin damage boost a try, and it turns out it's pretty beast! :P You can light the torches slow and steady (sort of) because you know you WILL take a hit, but you decide which penguin hits you and it shoots you straight out of danger. After that, if you know the Ice Ruins well enough, it's pretty much smooth sailing until the miniboss room, before which you can heal with fairies if you're missing 2 hearts or more.

I think it's worth the 2 hearts because it's so much faster than trying to kill/avoid penguins. The only real concern to me is not having enough hearts for the mini boss, like you said, because the big peng doesn't get knocked back with a sword slash. I'm probably going to look for a good setup for him tonight, i think fire rod might be a thing.

Anyway, glad you liked it. I might make some more vids like this, i enjoy finding these little strats more than glitch hunting, so i'm redirecting my focus.

Merging is always a good idea when you're in trouble and cornered during that miniboss fight. I also kill the antifairy before starting the fight, that sucker is way too strong and annoying to be left alive. Plus, once I've gotten the Key in the chest west of that room, I can just dash straight across most of the two rooms to reach the next section, without having to watch out for the antifairy killing me.

Just another quick timesaver in House of Gales! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYuKd5Kn2DA

EDIT: Thought I discovered this but it looks like someone else did before me, not sure who though...

most likely useless, but I wanted to show it off anyway. You can clip through the ceiling if you dash at an angle on the same frame the screen transfers.

http://www.twitch.tv/xcluck/c/3393567

Really small time saver in the Desert Palace. In the Titan's Mitt room, after filling it with sand, you can reach the platform with the floor switch using the Sand Rod a single time.

(http://i.imgur.com/gvUAZHl.png)

When you unmerge, Link will "jump" far enough to land on the platform. Also, if you tap up to face the north wall as soon as you've unmerged, you can prepare the next sand wall (north-south one) with the Sand Rod right away, before going to press the floor switch, which once again saves a bit of time compared to doing an east-west one.

There you go, Desert Palace is now 3 seconds shorter. :)

You can get to the Death mountain weather vane by crossing the bridge next to it from the left side. This is possible by using the skull enemy to push you slightly in the rope so you can hookshot to the other side. It is very easy to do and saves about 20 seconds when going to Ice Ruins.
The screenshot shows the position but it's even possible on the bottom, because you only have to get slightly pushed to the side by the skull and hookshot just auto-targets for some reason.
(http://s27.postimg.org/e9vs6d7an/bridge_hookshot.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/e9vs6d7an/)

I'm wondering how to trigger the Desert Temple boss.
In my game, I went through the entire dungeon, got the boss activated, and purposely died.

I did the portal glitch and the boss is not activated. Does it only activate if you drop down, or does it only activate if you enter through the portal on the north side.

I'd imagine it's coming through the portal that is the flag for it, perhaps dropping down.

It can't really be dropping down because it is possible to merge in the wall behind you after you fall down and start the fight when you umerge.
I don't know if people know this but the Boss is actually already there when the fight didn't start yet. You can see some sand moving and hear the sound. When you lower the sand by walking to the north wall you can even see him when he is moving. I tried to damage him with bombs but it didn't look like it was possible.

I tried bombs, fire rod, ice rod, sand rod..he's just not programmed to take damage.

Don't think this ever got posted on the forums because Zander never posts stuff here himself, but he found this:
http://www.twitch.tv/zandergothsrl/c/3406857

That glitch just opened a whole bunch of things to test out.

First question? Are all dungeons connected? If so, looks like the LTTP Speedrun glitch is back(but this time with a windrod)

There is no way the game's dungeons are interconnected. There is no good reason to develop a game that way in 2013.

It's interesting that that actually works. and I feel ashamed of myself because I confirmed it *not* being possible to get up dungeon walls a while back when trying to do it in Hyrule Castle. (Reason being that I managed to get armos up on the walls, but they appeared to instantly slide down, so I assumed you couldn't stand up there)
However, I went back there today and tried it in a different corner, and I got up first try. This makes it possible to get thru the armos room in hyrule castle without killing the armos. Just get up the wall and pegasus down to the screen transition and you'll land in the outdoor area there. (if you do not pegasus you can easily fall down into the void directly after transition and spawn at the location you used the tornado rod)

I think i found a small shortcut in Lorule Castle yesterday. Made a video of it but sadly may webcam doesnt have any Manual Focus so the Picture is a little bit unclear - but you can see whats going on! It should save around 5-10 seconds i think. (would someone care to time that? Because i actually think it saves a little bit more :) )
Also this video shows a good usage of the glitch(?) that lets you keep momentum with your boots if you change floors via screen transition. Getting on that railing also works 1 Platform higher, also you can jump from the point you are supposed to be directly to the Rupee Chest on the right of the Platform!

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_oO7DoAh7I
(At the point where i walk aimlessly against the chest you can actually open the chest from the railing, its pretty neat!)

Also: Im trying to get some clips working but i always fail - i can never get it right. I only get pushed a bit into the wall but not on the Railing or wall. What am i doing wrong? (Im using the Torando Rod)

It is actually possible to just walk off the ledge and land down there.
That trick is slower though. I posted it a while back, and it turns out that doing the pegasus from 3F then fall into lava is much faster.
The reason why the method you posted is slower is because you have to walk up multiple stairs, which takes a lot of time. It may be about as fast if you manage to fall into lava after opening chest and respawn on 2F, but it is very difficult to do, so it wouldn't be worth it.

Also, you can't use whatever you want to get pushed up ledges and railings. You need enemies with specific collision. The Armos statues and small dudes on death mountain that turn into stones are examples of this. Their collision does not work like other enemies and can be used to get pushed up on things. If it worked with every enemy, we could skip big parts of almost every dungeon.

We basically only clip thru the fissures, and between objects (like a fence and a tree, etc.). The only solid wall we've clipped thru is in the skull woods boss room, which most likely only works because of the massively big collision of the boss, which makes it possible. I have been pushed pretty much more than halfway thru some 90 degree corners without actually clipping, I just stand in there. The collision is very good if you do not count corners created by objects rather than solid walls.

Edit: also, that's not a screen transition. It is not much of a transition at all really since 1F is fully loaded when on 2F. Unlike for example 3F, which isn't fully loaded when on 1F, and the other way around. It is only partially loaded at that time.

I found this (http://www.reddit.com/r/zelda/comments/1t1ayi/an_interesting_glitch_i_discovered_in_albws/) post yesterday. I linked it on the IRC, but I figured maybe someone else on here might want to tinker with it. So far I don't think anyone has been able to reproduce the glitch.

Did you try being directly against the door and pushing up the entire time?
This hand thing might also prove a theory that by using an enemy directly against you, you might be able to clip through a door.

I tried all sorts of things for nearly an hour, including pressing against different parts of the door. I know Bamboocha tried stuff on his own too. I think he said one time he barely escaped the wallmaster grab and got "teleported" from one side of it to the other (like, from left to right). This might be a clue on what we have to do to achieve the clip, but it seems hardly reproductible. :-/

Can you use the WindItem?
When using the wind item against enemies when their against you, you can pushed a bit.. so maybe this will make it easier?

Thanks alot dude! I was my first find, and i was hyped to death as i found it. In the end i realized that it isnt that fast xD Also i wanted to test my recording setup wich turned out pretty neat for a 5$ Setup.
And thanks for explaining clipping to me - now i finally understand why i cant get some clips on different places :D

If you use the Tornado Rod while a Wallmaster is above you it will instantly grab you. (also, it appears that if you're walking on a high place, like the moving wall after you pushed a statue on a switch in Skull Woods, that it will grab you instantly. I might be wrong though) The Wallmasters also don't appear to be the kind of ennemies you can just push around using your items, like you can the Moblins and the SnapDragons. They seem to always regain consicousness and flee after a push or two

If the Gargoyle Statue north west of that room was a live one, it could probably be used to get on top of the hookshot walls, grab the Eye thing and throw it down near the place you have to put it, thus skipping the trip back on the raft, but sadly it's not a live one. :( Maybe it can be done with the Guard, I haven't tried that.

Someone should compile a list of all the enemies you can clip with, it would be really useful.

Edit: Also the Skull Woods boss skip should probably to be added to the Skull Woods dungeon section on ZSR.

If anyone can get the timing down, those Plant Enemies in the Skull Woods, do push you.
So far though, I only got pushed side ways when I tried to get over the woods.
If you can use these guys, might be possible of completely skipping the skull woods dungeon.

I assume you mean the Snap Dragon (http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Snap_Dragon)?
Yeah, they can be used for clipping, but not in the same way that Armos and Deadrock does. The difference is that the armos and deadrock can push you up and to the side, allowing you to get up ledges, and thru acute corners. Other enemies only push you to the sides, which limits you to clipping thru acute corners, and not actually up on top of things, which is sad. (exception being the skull woods boss, and now possibly the wallmaster)
I have managed to use a chuchu to use the hookshot thru a wall in Lost Woods. The problem is that when I hit the tree stump (at least it looked like I hit it every time), I didn't get pulled thru the wall. However, IF it is possible to hookshot thru the walls in Skull Woods / Lost Woods and actually get pulled thru, we may be able to use a Snap Dragon to connect to one of the tree stumps close to the end of skull woods and skip a decent portion of the dungeon.

Strange glitch I encountered today, while practicing the beginning of Lorule for any%. Not sure if this is known, and it's probably useless, but maybe it'll spur on some ideas in other areas?

In Kakariko village, there's a portal on the back of saharhekaweewk's house that leads to Skull Woods area.

Here's what I did:
1. Fly to kakariko village's weather vane
2. Take the portal in the back of saharwhateverhisstupidnameis's house
3. WITHOUT emerging from the wall of the house in Lorule, walk around to the front of the house where there's a huge canyon and pop out of the wall to fall into the canyon.

Link will spawn back at the weather vane in kakariko village. I guess the game doesn't really keep track of where you should spawn until after you emerge from the wall? :P

I tried this out because I was wondering if there was a way to skip Hilda's text upon entering the skull woods area the first time.

This is known about. Unfortunately is doesn't seem like its that useful and there is only a handful of places where this is possible anyway.

I'm to lazy to rewrite all the stuff I've mentioned in the IRC, so I'll just look thru the logs from the past week or so and paste all kind of useless stuff I've tested or found. This means that the wording can be horrible, as I typed it in a rush most of the times. I'll write an explanation if I mention stuff that may not be known to some people.
I've cut out a lot of stuff from these quotes.
I'm not sure if all of this has already been posted, I believe some of it was never posted, like the soft-resest while saving crash, and the cucco things I tested. Perhaps even the treacherous tower thing, not sure if I posted an explanation of it or whatever here on the forum. I am almost positive that I didn't post the thing from that last quote though?

The first part of this quote is from #zeldahacking rather than #albw, I usually talk there with mzxrules.
I found it quite funny, because the initial guess I made in the morning was actually correct. And on my way to making the file to attempt skipping the initial dialog I visited Sahasrahla, where I found out about the soft-reset crash, which is why there are about 2 hours inbetween my guess and the skip.
That's one way of spending the morning. Crashing the game and risk corrupting a save file, all while making a file to try out a simple idea I had in the morning. :|
If someone wants to mess around with soft-resets while saving, feel free to do so, but you may corrupt your savefile while doing so.

This is a useless glitch, but some may find it interesting.

I did not do that much testing with this trick, mostly due to the fact that not many areas in the game have a cucco to begin with, but maybe someone'll find something useful?

Basically the "door frame merge" glitch (I call it something different every time I mention it, so, yeah) is basically an odd merge behaviour that works at various door frames.
When you stand inside a doorway and hug the door frame on either side and face toward it, it is sometimes possible to merge.
This will merge you thru the door frame and onto the wall next to it. All the previous doors I had tried where this was possible, you could simply just stand next to the door and merge, making the glitch itself completely useless.
Which is where it gets interesting. As mentioned in the quote, I managed to find a location in the game where the glitch could be used to merge onto a wall that you normally can't merge onto. It is still just as useless, but it proves that it is possible to use this glitch to merge onto non-mergeable walls. (even if very, very limited to a few locations in the game)
Now, if it was possible to do this everywhere, this could be used to skip a lot of stuff in various dungeons. I doubt it is possible though.


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I messed around more with the merge storage thing, and there are MANY ways to do it. It is still limited to the same rooms as previously though.
It appears that it works by leaving a mergeable wall while the merge option is disabled. This is why we could use pegasus boots away from a wall to store it. While you use pegasus boots, the merge option is disabled.
This means that you can store the merge using other methods. You can hold the shield and walk away from the wall since that also disables the merge action.
You can also charge a spin attack. You can even use pegasus right into the mergable wall. The recoil will bounce you far enough from the wall.
Some walls unmerge you further, making it so that the merge option isn't available when you land. This will also store the merge location, as the merge option was disabled when you "jumped" away from the wall when unmerging.
So basically any method of getting away from the wall while the merge option is disabled will store it.

I also tried placing a gargoyle statue on top of another (the ones that aren't alive that is), and the one put on top will just continue to slide down following the direction it was initially coming from.

Edit:
I do not know if it's common knowledge (at least I've know about it for a long time, I assume other know about it as well), but it's possible to change direction right before you jump out of water and have link surface in that direction instead. It can be used to get up on ledges and the water level thingys in swamp palace for example. Not useful in anyway, but someone may find a use for it.
Anyway, I tried to use this trick to get into the unreachable water in Hyrule by jumping over the stone barrier that's placed next to a place where you can surface, but you couldn't walk over them. You can just barely land on a small spot and instantly slide down.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/failed_attempt_at_unreachable_water.jpg

Great job CloudMax with all this stuff you have been doing! It's amazing to read how much effor you put to this game. Keep up to good work and eventually you'll wind something bigger :D

~Your fan Kazooie

I guess that "back in time glitch" is out :P

1. You can hard crash OoT3D in 2 different ways and ive yet to see any problems.
2. I actually tested reset while saving in PH and it had some interesting effects I didnt know. If you reset immediately the whole save is gone, reset a bit later and it says your file is corrupted and it loads the previous save (kinda like pokemon games) and if you reset a bit later after that, the file is fine.

Did anyone test softreset while continuing from a gameover? (TWW and SS style)

The difference is that the game start to behave weird if you reset while saving, it is not an actual crash, the game is still going (only music).
Hard crashes I don't worry about at all. I did that crash at least 10 times in total. Messing around with saves can however ruin files.
And there's the fact that your entire oot3d save is deleted if you make it "corrupt" by changing a single byte in a savefile manually. But this could just be a false alarm, and it actually does provide backups if you corrupt stuff legit.

And softreset is disabled in most scenarios, including when you continue.

For what it's worth, you can bring a pot from the first House of Gales room to throw at the switch in the next one. Might be useful if you don't have bombs equipped/obtained at that point for whatever reason (route changes/different category) or just want to save the energy.

DP improvement by Zander:
http://www.twitch.tv/zandergothsrl/c/3441825

What is "this" exactly? Following Yuga as he is moving in the wall? To my knowledge, when his real portrait passes over another one, the real Yuga can take any direction. (Let's say the real was going from left to right, and passes over another one that was going from right to left. The real one can then either keep going right, or switch and start going left.) The switch doesn't seem to have happened during your fight, which is why following it all the way was better than waiting in the middle when they cross.

Can't remember who found this method but it definitely seems faster and much easier to do than old death mountain skip.  Just remember to activate the bird statue on your way up death mountain...

I don't remember if this has been mentionned here in the past (because I actually just learned about it yesterday/today, thanks to KoffingRockz), but [in Thieves] you can delay the spawn of the blue enemies near the ground switches that reveal the Master Ore chest, and basically not have to worry about them at all. Details are on the Thieves Hideout page on the website!

Quick access to Desert Palace with Vulture Bump!  Get bumped onto the edge of the stairs nearest the entrance, and just walk on over.

VIDEO (http://math.utoledo.edu/~dgajews/sw35/LBW/DesertVultureBump.wmv) [2MB WMV]

NOTES:
 - Works best if the vulture stops and attacks from the left or bottom when circling.  This means that the orientation of a creature sometimes matters when getting a bump.
 - The attack pattern is currently inconsistent.  Staying a step away from the wall seems to increase the chances of being attacked from the left the first time.
 - At the top of the stairs, don't hug the wall as you won't transfer onto the ledge.  Walk diagonally onto it.

Just timed this, took me 21 seconds between unmerging from the portal and entering the loading zone of the Palace. I also timed the slowest method to reach the Palace (didn't have the Energy Scroll) and it took me 52 seconds. If I remember correctly, the method using the Scroll was 17 seconds faster than the long one, so the new method would be about 14 seconds faster than the Scroll one.

Good find. :)

Hm IIRC zander told me that the stamina scroll ultimately saves 15 seconds from the merge-method of reaching desert palace alone (and it also saves little bits of time in several minor spots, but let's ignore that for now). So if we do the vulture method, then would skipping the stamina scroll be worth it?

Also that trick looks annoying to do =/

it would seem the vulture method saves about 20 over the scroll but the scroll is kinda used for other skips/fights. not getting it would prolly end in a bad boss fight/trick later on.

Stamina Scroll is pretty useful for the Turtle Rock sequence break, the Dark Big Key room (although there is an energy potion nearby), the Gemesaur fight (energy potion nearby), both Arrghus fights (if you use the Ice Rod), merging the wall during that pink fairies attack in the Yuganon fight, [maybe more].

I don't think it's required for any of those, but it does make life much easier.

Wouldn't Merging during Yuganon waste a bit of time? I always figured it does that, so I just dodge the little buggers.

As far as the other ones, I think the big ones are Turtle Rock and Gemesaur. If Gemesaur can be prevented from moving while still getting the Stamina Potion, that should be another non-issue, but the Turtle Rock sequence break is tough as it is.

So it seems this strat will move the Stamina Scroll to the list of stuff to eventually stop getting, just like the tunics. It makes stuff easier, but ultimatel wastes a bit of time.

The turtle rock sequence break would be terribleto do without the stamina scroll; you'd likely be forced to wait between each ice rod use, so it refills a bit between each platform. I don't think skipping stamina scroll would ultimately be worth it honestly =/ I mean idealy yeah, but in a realistic run...

You end up wasting a least 20 seconds getting the scroll though, because you have to go back up the moving platform, and I don't know if it's just me, but I always have to wait a while for the platform to come down again. I'm not sure it would be worth it to get the scroll unless you can get up the moving platform right away. (Then again, I'm not sure how much time these tricks save, so maybe it is worth it.)

Well there are several minor spots where stamina scroll helps, including the bosses of Dark Palace and Turtle Rock. Heck, with stamina scroll, you can finish off the mask of the dark palace boss without the stamina refill (MAYBE you can do that without? I don't think so?).

Helps also for stealth skip pre-Dark Palace if the chompy enemy is in a bad spot, since you'll have to use sand rod a lot more to shove him into that corner.

 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/cucco_up_ledges.jpg < I'm confused on how you got on this ledge

I remember seeing a video of this. The guy circled in the air with the cucoo and got there. I don't remember if he went there straight from that ledge where you can jump, or if he went on some house or something else first. IIRC, he couldn't go on the grass left of him either.

Also, I just did a run without getting the Energy Scroll. It is very viable if you practice a few key things first (Mostly Gemesaur King, but also Turtle sequence break and Dark Maze skip). It also allowed me to put Ice Ruins last, which was much less stressful. And it pretty much guaranteed I didn't have to go to the fairies, potentially saving even more time.

Only downside I could think off from doing Ice Ruins last: 1 or 2 more textbox(es) overall, due to 1 more warp with rescued Irene. :P

Gemesaur shouldn't ultimately waste that much time depending how he's positioned. I think ultimately, it's going to come down to how much does the Stamina Scroll stuff save, including the smaller stuff.

For now, I'd definitely go with the Stamina Scroll, as it's not likely to save that much time anyways.

I timed the difference between going down to get the Scroll or moving along without it. Depending on how the elevator back up cycle goes, I'd say getting the Scroll adds between 13-17 seconds right there.

Now, not having the scroll for both the Turtle Rock and Gemesaur adds a little time, in the range of 2-3 seconds each. Your previous post made me realise how stupid (unless you're literally about to die) it is to merge during the fairies attack in the Yuganon fight, so the Scroll doesn't matter there. :P

Dark Maze skip isn't aftected at all, unless you get REALLY bad luck with the enemies placement/movement. Actually no, that's not true. I saw Zander do a textbox skip in the area just before the skip (merge the wall and move along until past the prison, skips the MUST CAPTURE INTRUDERS text). Doing that isn't a good idea without the scroll, because it will drain most of your Energy before you can even start setting the skip up. I don't think skipping the textbox saves much time though, because you're moving slower while merged (dash towards south-east when not merged), and the distance is a bit long.

Big Key room in Dark Palace isn't a problem now that I learned how to properly throw those goddamn bombs. If I miss one, grab the potion, wastes 2 seconds. Both Arrghus fights are barely hindered. Skip every other Ice Rod attack, waiting for it to recharge. I lose more energy from missed Hookshots than anything else anyway. :(

And I like doing Ice Ruins last because I'm scared eh.

I dunno I still think overall it should be gotten.  I think people just have to get over the Ice Ruins, I do it third or fourth and its not bad once you've done it a bunch.

The Ice Ruins really isn't that bad once you know where all the dangerous spots are and practice it. The boss is also easy if you use the tornado rod strat to dodge the triangle attacks. If you go into the fight with full health, you should have at least 7 hearts, meaning you can take one hit from the triangle attacks (4 hearts) and one hit from the ice ball attacks (2 hearts).

The Ice Ruins can get easier with a lot of practice.
The skips and boss fights without the Scroll can get easier with a lot of practice.

I have practiced both a fair amount of time, and I've gotten pretty decent at the Ice Ruins if I may say so. The thing is, with 7 hearts, there's not much room for error, and we all know shit can easily hit the fan during a run. (hell, I felt from the Turtles going to Turtle Rock in my PB) I've gotten past the Ice Ruins more often than not when I was doing it 3rd, but I'm not an adept dying 90 minutes into a run.

I'd rather mess up the Gemesaur fight really bad and lose 15 seconds than slightly mess up Dharkstare or that room with the Eyegores and lose my run.

Both routes are viable, pick yours.

In a speed run, you would skip the blue mail. It's not about stress, it's about time saving.

well technically if you're going with purely time-saving, you wouldn't go for any safety strats <_< even the top players have safe/backup strats since not everything is ever going to go perfectly. Plus it'll be good for newer runners to start with easier strats (aka blue+red mail for example)

Not at all, there are many places you should get hit by enemies because it's faster but you simply don't have the hearts to do this.

Anyways, minor optimizations time!

How does everyone switch their X/Y items? This is what I personally do and I'm pretty sure is the fastest way.

1. Press SELECT (don't tap ITEM); this is about .2-.3 seconds faster than using the touch screen to open up the item menu because if you use the touch screen, there's an extra short animation of the item button being "tapped"
2. Use my left thumb to tap the item I want to equip, and my right thumb over the face buttons
3. Use my right thumb to immediately press X/Y (this is faster than dragging with the touch screen)
4. Use my right thumb to immediately press B to exit

This is faster than using the touch screen to open up the menu, as well as dragging items which is slow. Doesn't save much time, but considering how much you open up the item menu to change items, it adds up to several seconds in the long run. Just wanted to share that with you all; I still need to break the habit of using the touch screen to open the menu rather than pressing select...

Link can still walk during that little "down time" from using the touch screen. I usually bring it up in the middle of an easy room, or while I am dashing.

Items with right thumb while moving
DPad with left thumb
X/Y/B with right thumb
Stick with left thumb

It seems pressing Select with left thumb would end up in lost movement frames, unless you bring the menu up right after entering a new room or something. I might give your "select items with left thumb" method a try though, instead of the DPad. :)

While we're at it, for Irene warps I do:

Bell with left thumb
Location with left thumb
Spam A with right thumb

For me:
Items with right thumb while moving
Drag item to X/Y button (probably slow but it's just what I do...)
Items button again with right thumb

And for Irene's Bell:
Bell button with right thumb
Tap the bird statue repeatedly with my right thumb (double tapping the statue works the same as pressing A)
Quickly move my fingers back to the A/B buttons to mash through the text

I mostly just don't use my left thumb for anything because it's reserved for the Circle Pad. I don't want to lose any time due to my thumb not being on the circle pad, so my thumb rarely leaves it.

So probalby using right thumb on select would be better, since you can keep your left thumb on the circle pad? It'll be uncomfortable but hey, if it's faster, you gotta do it :P

Also yes, I'm sure tapping the item is faster than using the d-pad (unless you only have to move it once, for example right when you get bow, you can just d-pad down then press Y; but I'd rather just tap, it's easier.)

For Irene's Bell, i'm pretty sure it's fastest that after you tap the bell icon, you tap the weather vane with your left thumb while mashing A with your right thumb; i'm sure it's frames faster than double tapping the weather vane. Then since you're already mashing A, you can mash through the Irene text.

EDIT: Basically what rheault said (I didn't fully read his post... oops =x). The idea is that right after tapping bell, I'm mashing A while the map is brought up, then I tap the weather vane with my left thumb and it'll 'instantly' select it since I'm mashing A with my right thumb.

TOUCH SCREEN OPTIMIZATIONS FOR THE WIN.

I recall someone mentioned it before, but I couldn't find the post, but Desert Palace, in the room you need to hit the four switches and then go down past a few Beamos. It was mentioned that if you align yourself with one of the switches, you can dash down, hit the wall right next to the door and bounce off the lasers.

I misaligned myself a little bit, and I actually directly dashed through the door while taking the hit from the Beamos. If you can do that, you save a pitifully minimal amount of time.

I second this. Something similar happened to me in my PB and I forgot to mention it here. I was too far right, ended up being aligned with the doorframe instead of the wall and Link "pushed" himself right into the doorway instead of left into the wall. I didn't get hit by the Beamos though. I'd say getting straight into the doorway saves about 1 second over bonking on the wall. (lol)

I haven't tried using Select to bring up the Items screen, but if it pops up instantly (unlike the half second or so it takes with the touch screen), then it wouldn't matter if you're moving or not, because you won't lose frames like you would with the touch screen.

So, the way I see it, as long as you make use of your method properly, Select or Touch Screen doesn't matter. And yes, pressing Select with the right thumb must feel weird haha.

Well I would say if you press select with your right thumb, it's the fastest. You won't lose frames from letting go of the analog circle pad, and you won't have that delay of "Item" being touched as well; of course, this assumes you tap the item immediately when the menu appears, which is harder than it sounds. But hey, frames matter.

(goes off to practice it)

So, a little time saver in the sages room: you can move before the game lets you by pressing A after the talking. This is what caused many people to move before the warp completes, thus delaying it. So, the ideal way is to press A at the right time and move to the warp. The time is around the time the beam starts appearing on the warp.

Not sure if anyone has found this stuff, please tell me if anyone knows who came up with it
I found a really big OoB wile expanding on the thing Faschz found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKZCOqmAea4
If you touch a screen transition trigger even while in the air; link will move in the direction of the other screen only falling once the transition is over.
To set this up, I move from this spot: http://i.imgur.com/ituaITn.jpg all the way to the left until your shadow is offscreen http://i.imgur.com/vyUkh0s.jpg then walk downwards until the screen starts to shift.
Then while the screen is moving, hold up on the stick to keep link from sliding down the cliff.
If you do it right you can move around in a huge area OoB. Keep yourself on the edge of the cliff and keep moving along the screens
http://i.imgur.com/l9PoOC4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hNI7dYQ.jpg
Follow the cliff up and around until you get here: http://i.imgur.com/UQB4oEJ.jpg
then move down until link is offscreen again: http://i.imgur.com/38BJ3e7.jpg
Face right then dash (or walk, dashing is easier) that will get you across the gap: http://i.imgur.com/E0rm8oU.jpg
Then you can run across the top of a few screens before hitting a wall.
This doesn't seem useful yet, but there are two spots that might have something cool.
http://i.imgur.com/PiSXmAu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XO4fhEF.jpg
In these two spots the screen transitions can take you through a wall, where you will just fall outside the map.
However you have one frame to do something before the game knows you have fallen; so you can clip into the wall then tornado rod on the first frame, etc.
I found a couple of other glitches that would let you merge inverted, as in merging to the outside of a wall instead of the inside. But I haven't found a way to duplicate them.

Thomas, fun fact: You can take screenshots via Miiverse. Also that looks pretty amazing.

Very interesting.

Hey, can someone get one screen above the desert temple/swamp and transition south?
If so, you could skip the entire desert dungeon.

This could also be used to maybe get across Dark World borders.. which would help if we ever find a way into the DarkWorld early. (Theory of the kissing lady always having a portal in her house.)

I spent some time with Thomas' finding earlier and posted a slew of images on Miiverse

Weird temporary perspective thing:
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADRUqFo2k6ZwA
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAAAYUKlFKqhhLg

Sniping a dude:
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADMUKlfmRCUew

Merging with an invisible wall:
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAABnUYnd247pFw

Enemy closeups (achieved by falling into the void along with some planning)
Octorock:
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADMUKlfmPvAvw
Archer guy (very proud of this shot)
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAABnUYnd27YY5A



Even if you could reach the appropriate ledges I don't think this will work. After spending some time on those eastern cliffs it seems like you need to take advantage of a proper transition to scroll through the screens. There aren't any transitions period between the desert/swamp and upper areas, so trying to go between them would probably just make you fall through the floor.

The invisible wall merge is old, to me at least. However the side oob stuff looks cool.
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAAC_UqFIoq9bQw

I found a couple more things that might have some use.
While trying to find a skip by breaking into the thief girls house, I found a way to barely get on top of the house by using a cucco.
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAABnUYnePfNutA
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADRUqFpPJmq5w
Also the whole house, even the door is hookshot-able, but I couldn't manage to get in using the hookshot-in-enemy glitch, someone might be able to do it.
I managed to merge much higher than I should be able to by cucco flying on to a ledge and hookshotting the house, but that's about it.
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADMUKlf7d0rZw
Also in the swamp palace you can change items while your hookshot is connected to a spinning switch, everything gets changed back as soon as you leave the menu, but it might be useful in some way.
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAAAYUKlFapwryg
I still haven't been able to duplicate the inverted merge thing, but this is how I did it before.
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADMUKlf7eGghQ
Lower the platform and place a bomb near the switch, when the bomb is about to blow up, merge with the wall that will be covered by the platform. That will move the platform up, trap link behind it and give you unlimited energy, making it impossible for him to exit the wall unless you slide out. When I turned the corner, my camera flipped and I was moving on the inside of the wall, unable to exit in anyway.
If someone plays around with this it might be a way to get unlimited energy.

Question: Is the Dash Cancel required for only certain types of ledges? In some spots it doesn't seem to gain any extra distance I think... for example, in the Ice Cavern the moving platforms at the very top.

Short answer is yes; if you can dash off a ledge without falling straight down you will go the same distance as a dash-cancel, although you won't slide along the ground afterwards.
Just for some reason dashing off somethings makes you fall straight, dash-cancelling will let you slide the full distance.
Both are useful in some spots.

Positioning for vulture clip: http://i.imgur.com/l7XsGBD.png

100% Big Bomb Piece of Heart Skip Set Up

1. Align with sword then dash https://i.imgur.com/EZXjTbh.png seems easy to align and dashing makes it so you wont lose your position (seems more consistent)

2. or align on the side and then do a diagonal left right https://i.imgur.com/W8IhzLz.png might be harder but i feel like it would be faster

you decide lol

-Koizata

First ever Hyrule overworld OOB. Just discovered it over the weekend. Never seen it before. All credit goes to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-iQx63Zfn8&feature=youtu.be

lol this was actually found already but no use for it so


lol like right above ur post lol xD

I think you went the farthest with this glitch.
Try this in the Dark World, see if you can use to get to another section of the darkworld. That would be the most interest and might come in handy in the future.

He didn't. Anyone who has followed the posted instructions has reached the same dead end.


You do realize this is a tall order, right? Where would he even begin looking to do something similar? It also doesn't help that the Dark Palace area is radically different from the Eastern Palace's.

I'm not really the glitch finding kind of guy but i'll try other places. But if we all start working with this, we might be able to get from one region to another in Lorule without going through all the portals (not much of a timesaver anyway though).

I apologize to all who say that I didn't discover this. I didn't know this was already found and I hardly care at all for the credit. I just hope I can contribute to the finding of sequence breaks and other useful glitches.

You can start by testing different enemies to see if you can get on a ledge.

That would be a good place to start.

edit: another thing that would be super helpful is just taking screenshots to make a better detailed map.
http://www.zeldadungeon.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/WorldmapComparison.jpg < This is the best I can find


edit2: Can't remember. http://zeldaspeedruns.com/system/images/153/original/HP%20Boulder%20Skip.png?1389759258 < what happens if you try to wall walk to the next area?

if you go the left there is no more walking on top of the ledge bc it becomes and entrance. if you keep going right there is like an invisible wall blocking you from going any further

I don't really have an image, but you know the weather vane in the desert in Hyrule?

Has anyone tried this: Sand Rod north (the pillars you'd need to enter Desert Palace), then dash northwest to try to reach the ledge by the first dungeon exit.  It seems I've gotten really close several times, but I have no idea if it's possible nor if anyone tried it. But if it's possible, then it should mean skipping the first half of desert palace, and Titan's Mitts skip.

Something to note. If you start dashing too north (aka if you try to align yourself from below the left railing, below the desert palace entrance), then your dash will be cut short and you'll fall straight down instead.

A visual cue for a close attempt is to start your northwest dash from the midpoint of the line between the two sand pillars you create.


A potential alternative is to lure a vulture over, then try to get shoved onto the left railing of the left staircase (By the weather vane). If that were possible, then i'm sure it's possible to skip the first half of desert palace.

If this has been discussed/tried before, then ignore me :P

I've attempted this as well a few weeks ago, and never could pull it off. It's sad because you can get soooo close. :(

Well something to note as well, if you stun a vulture with hookshot, stand beside it, then tornado rod just before it moves again, you'll get hit by it. Then it seems like Link is in the air before landing for a split second; could be useful?

^ if you just miss the dash, can you get hit by a vulture before falling?

edit: someone used a Vulture to get up the first set up steps. It's theoretically possible to do the same glitch to go up the left side of the stairs(west of the weather vane).
You could try dashing from there. Same distance, but you're slightly higher.

Utterly useless, but wanted to share it with you anyway :)

You can use the walking guard around kakariko to get yourself pushed on the hedges in combination with the Tornado rod.
It's quite easy when you find out the right timing.
(http://i.imgur.com/nXLTBIQl.jpg)

I already tried this, and managed to get on the edge where the stairs are but you slide down it like a cliff, you can test what link can and can't stand on by using a bomb, if it slides down, you can't stand on it.
Also while trying to find a way around this I found that some items work weirdly when you slide down something.
http://i.imgur.com/6xpYmQ2.png
Basicly, because you can't get pushed up on the railing of those stairs, I make the buzzard push me down. and I use the tornado rod while sliding.
That causes link to keep sliding while the effects stay in place.
It seems like there isn't a way to get past areas that make you slide.

Also I noticed that this gap that you are normally meant to merge to get across can be jumped over if you a heading south, but you can't make the jump if you go north. I think it's something they scripted into that area, but maybe not.
http://i.imgur.com/ObTb4Zv.png

lol that jump i found that out on the japanese trailer of the game lol xD

I lack some skill, and wanted to either clip through the door or get on the roof of the Kissing Lady's house.
I got close but kept running out of stamina.

1. I attack the chicken til he gets mad and calls his friends.
2. I used the Wind Rod to get up in hopes to get on the roof or clip through, no luck so far.
3. During mid flight I die and use a fairy. I heard you can use the windrod in mid air like this, but when I always have no stamina left :(

So anyone skilled enough to try this? If you get on the roof, this might come in handy for other places(depending on the enemies in the area)
If you clip through the door, then W00t!

Just whoring out some findings of mine. A few small timesavers but still...

- In Eastern Palace, you can kill all 3 Stalfos at once using a pot. You have to get lucky and have them all run after you at once, get hit, then grab a pot and get hit again. Doesn't save much time though.

- In House of Gales, you can clear the antifairies room by dropping one single bomb at the right spot, and using the Tornado Rod. It's probably one second better than killing two with a bomb and the third one with the sword.

- When climbing Death Mountain, in the first boulder room, use a bomb to break the first one, merge to avoid the other two, merge again upstairs to cross the gap and use another bomb and dash left. Bombing rocks is obviously better than merging to avoid them, because the game temporarily freezes when you merge.

- In Tower of Hera, use the bow for the first hit of the boss fight. That does just as much damage as a sword spin, so you only need two spins and a regular slash to finish the job. It could save time if you are really good at boss fights.

- For the Armos skip in Hyrule Castle, when you are about to switch rooms, walk slowly so you'll get in the stairs loading zone immediately as you enter the room.

- In Skull Woods, when you have to walk on narrow paths and avoid Gibdos and Baris, use the lamp on them to burn them or to knock them back.

Hold on for more later.

Sequence Break, Early Zora Flippers(need testing)

http://forums.zeldaspeedruns.com/index.php?topic=1478.msg26358#msg26358

http://zeldaspeedruns.com/albw/seqbreak/item-rental-early

So using the item rental early glitch and using the wind rod, you can get to the Zora's place right away. What is unknown, is if the thief will steal the item properly and the seller in kakariko village will sell the item.

Anyone want to test quick?

Am I missing something? Yes you can get on that ledge using the Tornado Rod, but you still need to merge after that. Plus, you need the Energy Scroll to make it all the way there.

Anyway, Anwonu (? I think it was him) managed to boost himself past the little gap near the Witch's House (where you would usually merge to reach the Zora River) using a bee. So yes, Flippers early are possible, if you can boost yourself with a bee, go see the Shady Guy fleeing, deathwarp, get 200 rupees, buy the Smooth Gem, boost yourself with a bee again, get the Flippers and finally deathwarp again. Most probably not worth it. :P

That being said, I should actually update that page to mention it is possible to reach the Zoras without merging, but "useless" to do so. Maybe make a Flippers early page.

Ooh a bee.
For fun it's worth it.
It doesn't work with bombs, right?

Boosting yourself with bombs seems like a nightmare/impossible in this game, from the way the programmed them.

Took practice and luck(especially those many many times where a bee never showed) but I got the flippers early.

Hopefully I'm decent enough because I want to record it.

I showed on stream, but I wasn't the one that discovered it.
http://www.twitch.tv/5311216gnik/c/3643862

I'm still making my own version ;)

Please tell me I'm the first to do this!

Using the bee glitch, I managed to get inside the cave with the big rock at the Black Smith.


http://youtu.be/Iyd_A56nkFw
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Enemy Ledge boosting should be considered a technique, it has lots of possibilities!

edit: uploaded a new version, showing you can leave the cave.
BTW, there's a cave just to the north of kakirko village with faries.. you can use the bee glitch to get into this cave as well.
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edit2: Wanted to record my own death mountain and flipper video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_uCqVhsYZU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE8F2e_L2dw

How do you skip the boss key in the Eastern Temple? I managed to use bombs to flip the bridge, but haven't had any luck getting past the door.

edit3: Awe, was hoping to do a swordless quest but you need the lantern to be able to use any of your rented items.

http://zeldaspeedruns.com/albw/dungeons/eastern-palace

I posted this in the irc a while ago, but for anyone that hasn't seen it, it's a pretty interesting Lost Woods OoB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c07t8JJayr4

You can walk behind loading zones and off the screen and fall into nothiness lol

I used that same enemy to get ontop of those Statues with the portal to the light/dark world.
I did it once, and fell off too quickly to do anything. Wanted to see if I could dash off the top and get OOB.


This same glitch, maybe possible with those dark world plant enemies so you can skip the dungeon more.

I've tried this a few times, and sadly, there's an invisible wall inside the portal statues that pushes Link off to the right. So when you try to t-rod on top, Link always gets pushed out of them.

You can get inside the dark world portal statue too (using a snap dragon, but I don't recommend it as it's a lot harder), but it's the same thing. Invisible wall that pushes Link off to the right.  :'(

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRdcmzsvPiKtoG)

I managed to somehow get ontop for the light world statue. I stood perfectly still.
However, I walked a little bit, and quickly fell off.

Did you get onto to?
^ This is what I did in the past

I could try again, just takes practice.



edit: got no gamefile yet, but instead I tried your glitch.
I learned you can also do it in that little between the log(where normally you have to merge to get a heart piece).

edit2: If I got ontop(and assuming you didn't), then I might of discovered a new trick that could help activate the desert boss early.
I'm doing a lot of assuming.

Are you 100% sure you can get on top? I've tried over and over but each time, Link gets close to being on top, but then it's like there's an invisible wall blocking him from actually landing on it. It pushes him off to the side so he falls off.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRfvqbExRWb6T-)

Sweet, you never got ontop.
Now I just have to reproduce this glitch and figure out how I did it.

My first theory is, I never used a wind rod.. so I'm going to experiment with that a while.

edit: really wish I could remember how I did it.

Also when I did get onto and fell off eventually(meaning I pushed the controls)., I fell off on the left side.

I really wanted to dash off the edge but I either did not have the boots or wanted to get as close to the edge as possible.
I'm just curious if it was pure luck, or if there's a single pixel spot where you won't be pushed.

My guess is, like you said, there is possibly a single pixel spot. There are times where it looks almost like he'll land on it, but then fall off. It must be very very precise though. If me or you, or even someone else can even get on it once again then we could definitely skip Skull Woods.

The way I see it, the only way I can think of skipping Skull Woods is this spot. After looking around different times, there are no spots to clip through. This seems to be the only way  :-\

Ugg, more proof I wish I took.
One time today when I squeezed through, I ended up on the Left side instead of the right.
Not knowing this, I walked out of it.

So no clue yet if the left side would be easier or not.
And no clue how I ended up being pushed to the left instead of the right when I first go through.

edit: everytime I glitch through, the enemy is leaning a bit to the right every time.
I wonder if he leaned left that one time

I so wish I was more pro right now

same thing this was posted a while ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlKK3WbpHwY
seems like that also get push when t rodding on the portal

After seeing that guy hit a wall at 1:44, I think I'm going to stop aggravating myself for this glitch as it might no longer be worth it and may be luck based.
Also at 2:06 he tries to dash off a tree and instantly falls straight down.
Odds are if I did get back ontop, I'd fall straight down to.

His technique seems much more possible for skipping the dark world dungeon and more relaxing to try.

So, I just found a clip to get to Zaganaga early (a.k.a the Desert Palace boss). I'm assuming people know about this? If so, how come no one uses it?

EDIT: Nvm, I found out this was found. Also useless so far lol.

And this is why no one uses it :)

We either need to find another high spot or find some way to get higher.

So, I just found a true desert palace skip.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRf_48ICJA_cQY)
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRf_93gTdsDSkW)
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRgABNQhmYD-1G)
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRgAG_AGOzWmrs)

You can clip into the portal with a moblin. I recommend using the moblin to the right with a spear and have him follow you there seeing as he doesn't move once he gets into that area. Once you clip inside, stop moving the circle pad as soon as possible or else you'll fall into void. There's a certain spot inside where you can t-rod but it's not exactly certain what spot yet. More testing and messing around with this is required.

You can walk around the cliff to the boss area, and activate it :D

Based on your positioning after t-rodding, my way of doing it is different. I do small, small nudges till I reach the point.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRgArkERJfeGUr)

That's where I come out after T-rod

Nice find!

You also proved my earlier theory for the statue in a sense.

How hard would you say this glitch is to do?

Moderately hard, but can be consistent.
Easier than HoG skip IMO. But also a run/race ender if you fail too much, which can happen.

Video: http://www.twitch.tv/anwonu/c/3718621
To spawn boss, you need to go close to the north wall before dropping.

Any other advice on how to move once clipped inside.
I barely touch the control stick once stuck, and instantly fall.
You're desc on twitch is confusing.

Also, when I make myself stuck and don't move the moblin rehits me. How come he didn't hurt you when his stun wore off? Did you move a pixel since then?

What I do:

- Align the Moblin, stun him
- Place Link as close to the Moblin (South of it) as possible, take damage as soon as the stun effect is gone
- Hookshot right away
- Walk Link so his hitbox is in the exact same place as the Moblin's
- Do NOT touch the control stick while Link's invincibility wears off. If placed correctly, he'll get pushed into the crack without you having to move
- From there, the Moblin usually doesn't hit me. If he still does, try moving north just barely. Like, as little as you can.

- Now the hardest part. Take out the Ice Rod and Tornado Rod. Starting here, you will only advance by slightly tapping the stick. SLIGHTLY
- Have Link facing north, charge the Ice Rod. The thing you want to keep in mind from that point is that the Ice Rod mark can have 2 different horizontal positions, which we will call left and right.
- If the mark is left, then you're close to falling off the left side, so you want to tap the stick up and SLIGHTLY right.
- If the mark is right, tap straight up. Because the 3DS stick is a bit hard to use perfectly, most of the time straight up will result in up and slightly left. If you so the mark going back left, then adjust yourself.
- If the mark has been right for a long period, you might be getting too far right and about to fall off that side, so be careful and try adjusting a bit to send the mark left for a moment.

- You want to make your way like that until the mark has moved 2 spaces north from the one it originally was at.
- Once you're there, it's time to Tornado Rod. Simply using the TRod won't get Link through the "ceiling" of the wall.
- To get through it, you will have to turn Link so he faces either left or bottom left AND use the Tornado Rod at the same time / just barely after doing so. (Might need some more testing)

Viskiv also found a setup where you use bombs instead of IRod to setup yourself. Place bomb, grab it, then wait at the last moment and throw it. The blast will push Link back straight north. Do it twice and you're deep enough. The timing seems rough though.


Also, that skip is possible to use in 100%. You can take the portal north of the boss area, do the palace backwards (all doors are only locked from one side, so you can go through them) until the autoscroller miniboss room. Wait until all tiles are dead, then exit the room from where you came and re-enter. The game will act as if you beat that room before, lower the bridge and spawn the green portal. You can then go back to the first half of the palace and backtrack some more until you reach the Mitts. It's probably not the fastest way.

Fastest way might be to do the palace normally until you reach the halfway exit, warp using Irene. Then, when you come back later with upgraded sword and stuff, do the skip and beat the boss.

Now, that is a great desc. I guess if I fail now, then I just need a lot more practice.
I did manage to learn how to make Link walk a bit slight without the ice rod, but once I lost view of Link, I couldn't figure out if I was still moving or not.
When I get a chance again, I'll try the ice rod method.

With the bomb method, if your timing is a split sec off, do you instant fail or do you just get to try again?

edit: I reached the point where I was suppose to use the tornado rod, and tried to turn left and fell.
If I used the tornado rod without turning, would I of fell, or would I been able to try again?
So far I found it a bit easier to keep the ice on the left side, and just slightly nudging north and putting my thumb slightly to the left. In most cases, it stays on the left side for a while and I don't fall. It's a lot more safe since you know to make sure to avoid going left. If the ice is perfectly straight, then you can't tell if you're going right at all.

I would say using the ice rod is the easiest way to align yourself so you won't fall. The way i do it is just slightly tilt the opposite direction on which the ice rod is pointing if left tilt right/up if right tilt left/up. And it seems you can tilt it a little fast and get to the trod hotspot but don't go to fast or you will fall. Also making the ice rod go north twice seems to be the right place for the t-rod but you have to move a little bit up more to get it 100% you can try it a bit earlier but it's risky. And yes facing left/down makes it work when t rodding. Getting into portal is pretty much the same as the others get hit hookshot clip in.

Oh right, I meant to ask this, but do you remember which way Link was facing when you managed to get on top of the portal that one time? That could really help in finding out a strategy to get on it easily. It could be exactly like the DP skip I found, where you have to face down and left to get on top of the ledge.

No clue.
It's very possible as I have not tried down + left yet.
Could also be possible that somehow I walked perfectly straight and performed it as I flew up.
So far all the portals are working exactly the same.

So while trying to find some new glitch techniques, I actually managed to. I found an entirely new way to get on top of ledges which requires you to  get hurt from one of your bombs as you jump off. It's like the crow jump boost (which might I add, works with anything that hurts you) except instead of flying far, you'll get a boost from whatever side the bomb hit you from. It's extremely useful as it requires no crow or even an enemy to hit you which I think will lead to some new skips for sure.

With this new technique, I've found a whole bunch of new OoB areas never found before. Some of them include actually getting into the moat of Hyrule Castle. 

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRhgUvwzA182Hs)
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRhgXO4UABT7wz)

you can even get off to the side of the castle by walking around on the ledges

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRhhIscQTqDHTv)

You can even get inside Treacherous tower, (which is actually merge-able strangely enough)

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRhwxWkKCuxQ8m)
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRhw0WgulWAQw6)

But very interesting OoB I found also had to do with Hyrule Castle. If you throw a bomb from where I am in this picture:

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRhwkX815E7-oJ)

then do a bomb jump boost, you can get on that ledge. You can walk around to the one side of the castle and I think that it's probably possible to get on top.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRhwoVIj22dcLt)

If somebody can figure out a way to get on top of the castle from there, it might be possible to access the dungeon early! I'd really like to see if someone can find some new skips with this!

I found the first application for it, something for 100%. There was a HP by Swamp requires big bomb that we used to do a skip for, but this is a much faster way.

Wow, one step closer to an early dark world then.
Speaking of which.. any clue if you could get to the desert before entering the dark world?
I always wondered if they left those portals in, or if all portals are disabled until later.

No, i'm pretty sure it's not possible. I found a portal clip that let's you get on top of the cliff right next to the desert palace, but walking off the screen yields nothing. There are no loading zones in the area that take you to the desert palace in the first place, so trying to go to the left just makes you fall into void no matter where you go.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRf_cnIly5720j)
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRf_gWsKzFNCFa)

I think Weegeechan gave a good explanation of why Desert shouldn't be possible without going to Lorule. Map/room transitions all seem to be based on loading zones (and as evidenced by the Eastern Palace boss key skip, it seems that doors have loading zones behind them at all times like in most of the 3D games). So in order to go from room A to room B, it is generally likely that you need to be able to make that transition without glitches, but you are likely to be able to bypass prerequisites.

What I don't understand, however, is how the game decides whether pots should respawn in a room of a dungeon. When I was practicing the Eastern Palace boss key skip, I found that you can cause the pots to start respawning in the boss door room by entering the boss door room from the boss door room. The way to do this is to go to the (for example) upper right door once you're on the wall. Then there's a few things that you can do.

1) Walk very slowly and drop essentially straight down once the wall ends. This will cause you to hit the normal door loading zone and walk into the neighboring room (this is what we did for the Desert Palace B2 skip).
2) Walk very fast and run into the next room. This will hit a map transition loading zone before hitting the door loading zone and you'll probably see the screen transition to the neighboring room, then you hit the door loading zone on the other room and walk back into the boss door room.
3) Walk somewhere in between. There's another loading zone that you can hit which I was thinking of as the door of the next room, but in the boss door room's map. If you do this, you'll see Link walk back into the boss door room through the door when you fall down without any screen transitions happening. This is what causes the pots to start respawning. It also causes pots to _stop_ respawning in the neighboring room if you do only normal screen transitions from then on.

I found this glitch pretty useful for practicing the boss key skip since it allowed me to get a lot of hearts very consistently. Maybe someone can figure out a good explanation of how it works. Also, enemies still don't respawn in the boss door room. Therefore, we know that pots are not enemies!

So, after the desert skip was found, some people suggested other portals, and eve nthe one from Skull Woods. While Weegeechan already showed that he could clip into it, and that he couldn't t-rod up there, I think there's still a chance that it can work.

First of all, I want to show my theory/hypothesis/whatever you want to call it (not proven, I didn't program the game to know for sure) about how the desert skip works (at least, the "why such a small area to walk" part): http://imgur.com/VhkFtzp
IMG 1 is basically how the desert portal is: ground south, void inside walls, and the portal itself. Since you must be merged when going through portals, there must be some walls inside it as well, drawn in red. If you're merged, you'll activate the Hyrule-Lorule cutscene; but if not, they're just walls.
In gray, we have Link's hitbox, and the position is after you clip inside. Since you're over the walls, there's still ground around it (at the very least, under the walls themselves, but might have some between walls as well, but it's not important).
So, while you're OoB, if you walk slowly back to the "normal" ground, you'll realize the walls will give a little push a bit before your hitbox is completely outside. And that's where the desert portal explanation lies: once you walk a little bit left or right, the opposite wall will push you outside, making you fall OoB. That's why we have so little space to walk.

That explained, let's go back to Skull Woods portal (IMG 2).
First of all, the ground inside the pillar isn't a void probably because it was easier to keep all of it as ground.
Weegeechan said that there was an invisible wall that pushed him to the right. That's explained with the theory as well: once you go a little bit to the right or to the left, you're pushed by the walls.
So, what I want to suggest is what some already suggested before, and I want to go back to it again: after clipping, move directly north without being pushed to either side. Once far enough, use t-rod to see if we can get on top of it (turn before using, like in desert skip?).

I'd want to test myself, but Snapdragons are a bitch to use to clip the portal. Weegeechan said that took him a while to clip as well. I wasn't able to clip it yet.


Edit: OK, so I could clip a few times. This clip is stranger, though, because either we get clipped only on the right side (and very slightly on the left, but end up being pushed back, since we're not clipped far enough), or the left wall is more insistent than the right one. After clipping, doesn't matter if I walk slowly or to the left, I always get pushed to the right, like Weegeechan mentioned.
However, there was one time where I was still in the middle (I think) and using t-rod blocked me. Turning obviously pushed me to the right again, so yeah, that didn't work very well.
So either we find a way to keep in the middle, or find a magic spot on the right side. Neither sounds easy =p

I'm thinking the walls in the Woods have a thicker border at the very bottom because the wall is curved. So odds are, 1 pixel to the right or left probably results in an instant push.

Maybe someone who's skilled with the bomb blast can do it for keeping themselves straight.

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BTW, any videos yet for bomb ledge boosting? I tried lots of times and so far I either took damage from my bomb or leaped off a split sec before the explosion and never got hurt.
One time, I did do some slight leap explosions but never managed to get up.

http://www.twitch.tv/viskiv/b/504794999?t=2m07s

The timing is really tight, most probably frame perfect.

Throwing the bomb is a requirement? In most of my tests, I just placed it down.
Guess I'll just keep practicing for now.

edit: Managed to do it once so far.

@Anwonu: That is an extremely good theory! I don't see why that would be wrong in any way. Even though you couldn't get on top yourself, I'll definitely keep messing around with this and hopefully find a way to get on top. If anyone can manage to get on top even once and take a pic we could work off of that.

@King: You always have to make sure the bomb is a bit in front of you like in that video or else Link won't make it onto a ledge. I noticed though that sometimes it's possible to just have the bomb off to the side but close enough to Link to be able to hurt him and you can still make it onto a ledge.

I managed to get myself a bit more straight for the Forest portal. I tried the bomb method but I think I gave myself too much of a blast because for the second blast I went all the way through the other side.

Before you try the Skull Woods version, just try to do the light world first as it's not too hard to get inside.

So after messing around with the portal in Lost Woods, I have a better understanding of how it works. I did manage to get inside the crack, and like Anwonu said, you hit a ceiling. Now, I'm not sure if it's possible to get through the ceiling if Link is facing a certain way or not, but i'll be testing this out more.

I also found a way to tell if your in the portal crack or not. Once you get pushed inside, it's best to t-rod to see if you got in, and if Link falls out of the pillar, he didn't. But if he hits a ceiling, you know you are inside. If you use your ice rod after and keep inching forward really slowly, you can tell if you have gotten pushed out or not. If the floating ice chunk moves to the right at all, you are no longer inside the crack. It seems to be a much smaller area to move around in compared to other portals, but it definitely seems like Anwonu's portal theory is true.

I found a little something extra too. Fences act just like ledges in which you can do a bomb jump boost on to them. I didn't think of trying it until now and I already found something neat. I did a BJB on to the fence beside the blacksmith's and was able to get into the pond beside Kakariko.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRjKRqoZqBBfTG)
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRjKW8w16Ba1Fo)

Swimming from the blacksmith side into the kakariko side pushes Link into the wall with the map scroll. He might fall into void and get stuck infinitely. If you have a fairy and die, he can come back to life in the pond again.

I also found a neat glitch technique that lets Link use t-rod while in water. If you swim to a place where you can fall into void, and dive almost into the void and mash your t-rod, link should be able to t-rod as he surfaces before falling to his doom.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRjLATcYO9HRAf)

So, we can get inside the rupee game just south of Kakariko Village for free, then, right?

Also, even though it most likely has no purpose, but assuming you can throw all the chickens out of the fenced area(The cocoo game)


If so, cool!

There's actually no ledge to perform a bomb jump in that area to get on a fence :P But ya, that would be interesting to mess around with

Shame but I wonder if you can get into the rupee game like this...
http://youtu.be/wlKK3WbpHwY?t=2m24s

I've been trying to get on the sides of the bridge near the entrance of Lorule Castle, but no luck yet. Maybe from there it MIGHT be possible to find a way to clip inside the castle (and skip seven dungeons) so I guess it would be a great idea to get on that. I have tried bringing enemies from far away because the closer ones don't cooperate. The farther moblin doesn't try to attack you when he's too far away from his spawn point. I managed to have him stuck in the small alcove between the weather vane and the corner, but I haven't been able to get up from there using the Tornado Rod. I have the weird feeling that it must be possible though.

Anyone willing to try? Maybe with the huge goriya thing I dunno...

I've messed around with this a while back. But I believe a clip has been found to get decently close to the loading zone. (There is a video of it somewhere) However, the developers seemed to put invisible walls around most of it. So it's most likely not possible as of now.

Here's the Lorule Castle OoB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiGyBfcUG3E

Idk why, but I feel like this hasn't been tested with enough. I don't see why it would be impossible to get in to the loading zone. When clipping into the Kakariko house, it's possible to get into both loading zones. (but I could be totally wrong as I haven't tested this myself) I wish this game had save states xD

I've been wondering for a while if the Tornado Rod Lifting technique is possible with any enemy. I've only seen people use it with Armos/Gargoyles but I was wondering if it is do-able with something like a Moblin or Soldier?

http://zeldaspeedruns.com/albw/techniques/tornado-rod-lifting

Does anyone know if it is or not?

I think I might explode.... :-X  ::)  :o
Tell me I'm the first to discover what I dub animation storage just 30 minutes ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf1UXyEi7w0
Everything i know about it so far is in the desc. I might upload another video where i use it in another area. Oh...my...gosh. :o I never saw another video on it, so...
Jeez, I'm like SUPA hyped. I just can't contain it.  :o  ;D
Edit: THE GLITCH HAS A USE. I repeat, the glitch has a use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeSsSZIbegQ

Very nice find Powerstar!  :o Anwonu and Viskiv timed it and said it saves roughly 40 seconds over saving the Turtles. (And even more if you're like me and keep falling off the Turtle pile when trying to reach the entrance the normal way. :P )

Dude!! ;D That's amazing!!! I can't believe how nice of a find this is!! :D

Man, I was trying to find a way into Turtle Rock without getting the turtles for SOO long. Congrats on the awesome find! Hope we can all find some new skips with this ;)

So I know many people have been looking for other uses for this glitch and I think I may have found one. In the boomerang puzzle room at the hyrule counterpart of swamp palace, the game says you need the boomerang and the hookshot. With this glitch you can complete the puzzle without either of them; all you need is the upgraded ice rod. Now I know many you probably don't care about an optional puzzle room that you don't even need to complete in 100% but a find is a find i guess.

So I found this a few hours ago but I now realize it was the animation storage I used without even knowing it xD

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRkgeaAnVV45ma)

Think it's possible in any way to get up on the ledge?

EDIT: I also found the quickest way up to Turtle Rock. (makes sense lol)

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRkmU3QSHSAu74)

You don't have to freeze the lava and can go in right away.

That could be useful for a bingo route involving collecting treasure chests or completing all the "treasure hunt" dungeons.
I haven't tested storage much with that dungeon. Maybe it's possible to skip BK. Idk.

I tried some stuff in the Swamp Palace, but it seems you don't gain enough height to climb up one "water level". You can get on top of some useless chests where you would normally use a wooden raft and the hookshot to navigate. I personally haven't been able to use an item during the "fake jump" though.

I decided to try this under the bridge with the bird lover just for fun. I managed to get behind the rocks!

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRkm_FknHuoZlN)

Huh. I tried doing that on those rocks in my first vid, but there seemed to be some invisible wall or something that puts me right back into the water.

Ok, I'm gonna put down what I know about the glitch so far here so that if someone wants to add it to the page, they can just copy/paste this. :P

Theory: When Link goes over to a dock, the game checks its collision data and gets Link's "climbing" animation so that he'll get on top of it. However, if Link touches the dock and doesn't keep moving towards it, the game still thinks that Link is going to get on top anyway and ignores the collision data from other walls or objects in the water, storing the animation. Because of this, any wall or object Link runs into while in the water will cause him to go into his "climbing" animation.

In order to activate it, you have to make Link swim over to a dock or other climbable spot in the water w/o getting on top of it. This can be accomplished by swimming close to it and letting go of the circle pad so that Link floats to it or by just pressing b to dash to it. Now just turn away from the dock and go to the desired wall or object u want to climb on. Link will automatically jump once he touches it. You can use Link's hair as a visual to check if you are touching the dock. [Insert screenshot with Link touching the dock here]

This glitch will deactivate if:
You press A or B
You get hit by an enemy
You leave the screen
You swim onto land

With this glitch, it is possible to enter Turtle Rock without have to rescue the turtles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeSsSZIbegQ
Faster way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ziv46tc-Rg0

Abbreviations and Slang:
AS
Water Jump
Water Hop

One strange thing happened when I was using this. Most of the time it doesn't work when doing the glitch and then going to a flat piece of land that Link simply will walk onto. But one time he did the jump randomly when I touched the land. So I wonder if there's a certain way to get it to work there all the time or if it's random?

It's probably random. I tried it myself, and it never seems to work for me. Perhaps you're approaching the flat land at an angle?

Cool new glitch find. We were looking for a good use for a while for this.
You can't use this glitch to enter the other exit for the lava dungeon, right?

Hmm, what other animations could we store I wonder.
So far swimming and merging both have some kind of storage system.


Could we find a way to store a leap? How about an item animation?

Something to theorize for now.

I was actually kind of hoping it would be possible for other animation storages. A leap storage would be pretty darn useful!

Well, time to search for other animation storaging!  ;D

I noticed that when link moves in the water, his animation doesnt change. Its the same as if he was just floating there. So i assume that if u want to store an animation, u would have to be using that animation constantly (ex running, slashing, whatever)
Then again, i believe there are certain conditions that must be met in order for the animation to activate. For example, certain ledges allow u to jump off of them, and some don't. To jump off a leapable ledge, u have to run off of it. If u  want to use the "jump" animation, you're gonna have to find some way to run over to the leapable ledge AND keep running at the same speed to find another spot to use the animation on. This is just hypothesis, and i highly doubt it would work because the game has different collision data for other objects in the game.

Treasure Hunt Dungeon (Southern Ruins) with AS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kttqlwgGiKc
This is probably a little slower than the normal strat, but at least you don't have to get the boomerang. Maybe beneficial for bingo routes.

I found a glitch in Theives Hidout that may be useless

In the second room of the dungeon (the staue pushing room), if you get a statue to fall direclty on to you by raising the iron bars, you can clip through the floor. You need to be directly under it though so you need to be holding onto it first. I think it's useless because of the backtracking in this dungeon, but I didn't see this glitch anywhere so I figured I'd mention it here.

Also I have no recording device so if someone could make a video on this that would be great

I was playing around with the statues a few days ago, but I never had this happen. In fact, I'm a bit confused about what I should be doing here. Holding onto the statue before the bars raise didn't seem to do anything. The best I could do was kinda clip inside two statues, which looks impressively useless.

lol yeah Zander found this a long time ago but we couldn't find anything useful for it.

^ useful or not, mind recording or taking some kind of screenshot?

Well then...I just found a very odd glitch.  ???

Everyone knows that Merge Warp glitch? Where you stand by a mergable wall, then dash away from it, then as you get near a doorway you are able to merge?

Well, there were only 2 locations this was known to work (I think), but I just discovered it works in Kakariko as well. Although it's very very strange how it works there. I first found it by doing it on the Stylish Woman's house. I stood at the back wall of her house, faced northwest, then dashed. I then walked to the one side of her house and I noticed it said I could merge.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRnHZggWQMRY59)
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRnIOPU-Zp0ZcW)

And yes, you do then get teleported to the wall. It works on a bunch of different walls in Kakariko, but the way it works is specific to every single wall. If you stand at the wall between the 2 staircases leading up to Sahasralha's, then dash SW and walk to the spotpass old man, once you get near him a merge icon will appear. You can also dash SE and if you walk next to the treasure chest game it ALSO works.  :-X

Each wall almost works completely different than another. Some only work depending on what way you dashed and then what spot you walked to. Some walls have the same merge spots so there is kind of a pattern. Next to the Treasure Chest Game, close to the Old Man, on either side of the Stylish Woman's house are some that work. It also seems like you mainly have to dash NE, NW, SE, or SW for it to work in the first place. Then some walls don't even seem to work at all  :-\ This is one confusing merge warp glitch is all I gotta say. Early Lorule through SW's house would be pretty awesome if it's possible to clip through her house with this.  :o

EDIT: I also noticed it sometimes let's you merge at different spots depending on how far away you dashed from the wall. This is so confusing x_x

http://www.twitch.tv/viskiv/c/3861273

The clip itself is certainly slower, because you can't skip the puzzles. On the way back, the thief girl will be stuck behind the closed doors.
There is something else that almost made this viable. If you use the east gate, and hold the statue in a certain position, you'll land on the B2 walls (you'll know you did when, after the clip, you start changing floors constantly). From there, you can get 1 room north as well. In there, you can hit the switch with a bomb or ice rod, and dash to the right room (you can land close to the eyegores room). But this is still about 5s slower than normal route.
So, currently, there are 2 ways to make it useful: find a way to go back with thief girl without solving the puzzles, or find a faster way to get over the walls on B2. It takes forever to setup on the right gate; southwest gate is very close to a wall, but doesn't seem possible to land on it.

Koizata, did you guys find about the over-B2-walls as well? If so, did you find a way to get to any other room besides those 2? The gap between that room with the switch and the northmost room seems so small, but I couldn't dash over it..

Also, mostly to be recorded, you aren't restricted by only 6 tiles to clip (2 for each gate); after raising the gates, you can pull the statue, and the one sliding over it will keep sliding in your direction. Once you stop, the statue will fall and clip you.
Another thing, if you pull then push, if you time it right, the sliding statue can change directions, and clip the gate (http://i.imgur.com/VrYtTn0.png). Once again, useless, but interesting.




EDIT: about Weegeechan's post: I could see the merge icon in a few places, and do the glitch once (it seems it's very precise frame-wise). From what I could see, if you dash and is inside a certain rectangle, you can do the glitch along the edges of this rectangle:
West (http://i.imgur.com/3TCT2fX.png), south (http://i.imgur.com/3TCT2fX.png), north (http://i.imgur.com/3TCT2fX.png), east 1 (http://i.imgur.com/kCMckUx.png), east 2 (http://i.imgur.com/mvPATmq.png), approximate rectangle (http://i.imgur.com/ckLk9aw.png).
I only checked ending the dash inside that rectangle. I'll mess with it a bit more.

Edit2: http://i.imgur.com/O8Cytc7.png
Your 2nd image does show a differnt region than what I found, though. I wasn't able to get a merge icon there.

Edit3: nevermind, it seems you got a merge icon from the 2nd rectangle, and was stopped briefly on that wall, right? I got it once.
Something like this: http://i.imgur.com/qRhNpFQ.png

Edit4: Sorry if this was already discovered, I didn't follow the merge glitch very much; but it seems the other merge glitches work the same way: stop the dash inside the rectangle, then move to one of its edges. This is Lorule's Castle, for example (http://i.imgur.com/VbqfZjd.png).

@Edit1: That actually makes a lot of sense! It seems random but going by the rectangle borders it makes it easier to understand.

@Edit3: That's exactly where I was dashing from. You can dash just a tiny bit further and merge really close to the rock wall surrounding Kakariko.

@Edit4: I don't think it was discovered yet and I'm pretty sure nobody knew why it worked but I think the rectangle border pretty much explains it!  ;D

Oh and,

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRnIbLgIl16amY)

So close  :o  I'm going to go to bed but I'll mess around with this more tomorrow. I really hope it's possible to clip into!

OK, found something interesting that may allow you to use any wall for the glitch (as long as a rectangle exist).
Dashing isn't the only way to "store" the merge. After getting close to a mergeable wall, hold an item like bow or hookshot, and walk until you're inside one of those rectangles. Then walk to one of the edges and voila!
Also, you can walk from one rectangle to another without losing the storage, as long as you dash or hold an item when outside the rectangles.

Edit: CloudMax had already found this, so yeah. This is easier to use, though, now that we know about the rectangles.
Edit2: having fun with it: http://youtu.be/Harr-ls_KRs

I knew it was possible to store by charging your sword, so any item seems just as possible.

If there's any back tracking at all, this merge glitch looks like it has some speed run use.

You almost clipped into the kissing lady's house? If so, how? With the merge glitch?

The merge warp can also be done at the entrance to Lorule Castle. There seem to be 2 invisible "merge" boxes here, one in the entrance to the main walkway (between those 2 torches) and one before the steps to Lorule Castle (near the bird statue). I tried to clip into some walls with it, but it seems like no matter what you do, Link always locks onto the wall he'd merge on.

I wonder though, if you're transported (like you're moving super fast to the X/Y point) or if you're X/Y values are just changed.
If you're moving super fast...then we can create theories on how to cancel out. If the values are changed, then even if you find a way to cancel out, it won't do a thing.

Also, since we're learning that it's based on a border.. what would happen if you tried to merge on a leap(probably impossible, but one theory so far)

As far as I can tell, Link seems to be moving super fast to that point. I've tried to clip into the wall again, and this thought crossed my mind: What does the game do with Link's 3D model when he changes into a 2D sprite? Does he end up behind the mergable wall or in the ground until you exit the wall?

If we can figure this out, we can probably manipulate the XY coordinates and make Link appear somewhere else. This is just speculation, but I'm curious about where that 3D Link goes.

I figured out that he is actually moving super fast with this. If you merge close enough to the wall you dashed/walked away from and there is no obstacle in your way, Link will slide along the ground very quickly to the wall. So it make senses why it looks like he's teleporting, as he is actually clipping through everything at high speeds to reach the wall.

Wow... A lot has happened since I was here last... Great job everyone! I just had one thought though:
If clipping into the stylish woman's house to get Lorule early works, would clipping into the house with the painting in Thieves's town be feasible using the same method?

It's a possibility, though we haven't found a place to do the glitch in thieves town yet. I tried in a few random places and didn't find anything.
But first we need to be sure that we can really enter a house while merging. While it's true that you move around fast, Link may very well ignore every screen transition while doing so.

Like Anwonu said, it doesn't seem to work in Theives' Town at all. So it looks like the merge warp glitch only will work in certain locations. I still wonder what causes this glitch to work in only these specific locations?

Maybe there are screen borders, and certain objects have to be located at these borders.
Closest theory I can come up with.

So it turns out you can talk to people and watch certain cutscenes without this glitch being disabled. I tried to see if there was a faster way to do the smooth gem/pegasus boots visit to kakariko (walk to where shady guy is, store merge, walk to store, buy smooth gem, merge glitch back to shady guy, get pegasus boots) but it turns out buying from the store does cancel the glitch. Theres a possiblility there might be some use for it in 100% but unless someone finds out this is possible in another area, it doesnt seem like this is useful yet.

Store = Chest script? If not, maybe try opening a chest next.

How do you talk to people? So far anyone I talked to disabled the glitch

All I did was store the merge and as long as they were within the magic rectangles I could talk to people and the merge would still appear on the borders. I tried it with the shopkeeper and the shady guy and both worked.

As far as testing it on a chest, I'm not sure where the best place to test it would be given  the options. The only place i can think of is the boss key chest in theives hideout.

Well, I did manage to talk to someone and still get the merge icon.
After merging all over town, I learned there's a lot of borders in town.

I'll update anwou image.

This is what we've come up with as of now.

(http://i.imgur.com/wHEzwe5.png)

Yep, that's what I came up with you.

I wonder what all these areas have in common.

edit: Useless glitch I found.
Anyone see that glitch where you merge with a fall and fall off a cliff and it takes you to the last X/Y?
Well I noticed if you walk against a mergable wall and then fall off a cliff, it will place you further back.
Try it in the ghost town and see for yourself.

Well, I basically want to confirm that it's not possible to use a merge warp to clip through things :(

(http://puu.sh/7vutM.jpg)

Testing in Lorule Castle on the walls around the boss door, I found out that Link may not be moving super fast and clipping through things. He might just be teleporting to where the merge was stored. Either that or his body won't react to loading zones while clipping as he is currently in the merging animation.

Standing at the red dot to store a merge and using an item to walk near the black dot and then merging at the black dot, Link teleports to the wall or does not enter the loading zone if he is clipping. The loading zone for that door is really close to the entrance, meaning you don't have to walk far in to the doorway to go to the next area so this basically confirms that no matter what, something won't allow him to clip or enter loading zones if he is.

In a sense, I wish you didn't confirm it.
Was fun to imagine.

Also, there hasn't been any warping that I know of other then portals where link is sideways.

Another thing we could try testing.
Merge on one side of a building directly across from a portal, and try warping then. See if you end up getting transported to the dark/light world.

So, using a Vulture, bomb-boosting and move+T-Rod, I got up this portal in desert.
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRoqfWUA-6wViF)

Couldn't find a way to do anything  useful with it though (I originally recalled you could've reached the Boss Portal with this, but nope). You can walk around the place pretty freely though, and even falling OoB puts you back on top.

Wow, that's sweet!

I tried this before but could never get inside the portal. How did you get the vulture to clip you inside?

Can you also walk to the desert palace from there and drop down near the portal?

EDIT: Got in and noticed that it's not possible to walk to the Desert Palace lol

Well, here's two more probably useless glitches I found:
Crash the Game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyIBkNmyZ-Q
Merge Sideways into a Wall: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmNIKC_z8AI
The latter I have only tested in Yuganon boss room. Probably works in Yuga 2 boss room, but not sure.

The crashing by soft resetting on a screen transition was known. I don't remember who discovered it though.

So, i'm not sure if this is known or not but I found a way to do the portal death warp on any portal. It was first found in Kakariko where you go into the portal (Sahasrahla's) and then merge off the building into the hole in Lorule and then get warped back to Kakariko.

To do it on any portal is really easy. Just go into a portal and then once in Hyrule/Lorule, use an enemy to clip into the portal you came out of and just fall into the void. Link will respawn in either Hyrule/Lorule depending on what side you came from.

I also have no idea if this is useful in any way but I'm guessing...it's not? lol

 I also found a bunch of useless Hyrule Castle glitches (but still rather neat). I found out that it's possible to stand on the paintings on the walls (soldier ones)

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRp2M-Uj5dHp8S)

I accidentally landed on it by doing a bomb boost too early. Once I landed on it I wasn't able to move from that spot. You can walk and T-rodding works but he hits the ledge above him. The only item that wouldn't work were the bombs.

I also found that it's possible to stand on the little ledges in Hyrule Castle

(http://puu.sh/7DeX9.jpg)

You have to get early item rental first so you can use the tornado rod when there is still friendly soldiers. There are 3 soldiers in total that are in the side rooms that make it possible. Each of them are standing up against the ledges and standing behind them and t-rodding pushes Link on to the ledges.

I don't know if anyone has discovered this, but I found a different dash cancellation in the House of Gales. Sorry for the awful photo quality.
(http://i.imgur.com/N4wXcX2.png)
I was doing a run and I'm not very practised with the small key skip with the tornado rod skip so I got frustrated and tried dashing around here and crossed over. Although, after I finished my run, I went back to this spot to try attempting it again in the general area shown in the photo above and I couldn't do it. I kept dashing across the area for a few hours and managed to get it to work again (It's not in the same area as the other optimal dash cancellation) it seems to be on a very few amount of pixels for it to work. I was just wondering if we could possibly implement it into runs sometime, it would save about three minutes. :o

That does sound like a great find! Me and a few others tried to reproduce it but we had no luck doing so. Did you manage to pull it off only twice, or did you find a more consistent setup/visual?

You can also use Miiverse to take screenshots of your 3DS screens. :)

Drawkel, if you ever manage to do it again in a fresh file, please post this location: http://i.imgur.com/yKG3TqW.png
That will show the fans still working and you past them. Should be enough to prove it's possible.

Maybe it has to do with the stairs collision, and that's why it's only possible there.

Undeadfil found a new glitch maybe 1 hour ago. In a dungeon (and probably anywhere not outside), if you use Irene Bell's and quickly pass through a door that changes the room, Link will fall out of bounds. Depending on the door, the place where he respawns may vary, so something useful could come out of this.

We're currently testing a bunch of doors everywhere to see what happens. Nothing has been found yet.

So basically, you have to use Irene's Bell quickly as your about to enter another room? Is it pretty frame perfect or close to it at least?

EDIT: Or do you only have to use the bell outside the door, then run into it?

This. Get close to the door, stop moving. Use Bell then move towards the door.



EDIT: Roadagain found this on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66HBnBac7Qs). Lol le troll.

Interesting, no boss fight without the girl.
Could get the boss key early but seems like it would be slower.

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Where do you even respawn at?
Is it random? Is it next to a random door?
Sounds easy enough, that I'll try this myself.

edit: Not easy unless if I'm doing something wrong, or it only works at certain doors.
I walked next to the door, stopped, I used the bell, and ran full speed.

You usually respawn at the door. Results vary depending on the door. Anwonu found out how to reach the Turtle Rock Big Key with it (skips a small key) but it's slower overall (and way harder).

For Thieves, we found how to access the Eyegores room, get the small key and leave without fighting them. Still have to time to know if it's worth it. (Need to get 100 rupees chest in water room to even out the rupees lost.)

Is this glitch hard to do? So far nothing is happening for me.

Skipping the Eyegores fight is actually longer than doing the dungeon glitchless, by a good 15 seconds. :(


EDIT: I'll just leave these here for now.

http://www.twitch.tv/rheaultwnage/c/3931062

http://www.twitch.tv/rheaultwnage/c/3931070

Wow, so much exploration.
Hoping for a video of the bell glitch soon, just so I can see how to perform the glitch myself.

I'll get on that. I persist to believe that we should keep testing it on every possible door to see if it can be useful somewhere.

EDIT:

http://www.twitch.tv/undeadfil/c/3931736

http://www.twitch.tv/undeadfil/c/3931743

http://www.twitch.tv/undeadfil/c/3931762

http://www.twitch.tv/undeadfil/c/3931773

http://www.twitch.tv/undeadfil/c/3931783

Wow this glitch looks really interesting :D

Now I'll have to mess around with this too!

Also, I'm guessing it only works in screen transitions? Like, as long as the screen doesn't black it, it should work?

(http://i.imgur.com/oY9IDcq.jpg)
I finally managed to do it in a fresh file, it took a lot longer to pull off since I had a lot less hearts.
That would be a lot better to use Miiverse, I'll remember that for next time, thanks! I only pulled it off twice, once in a fresh file during a run, and the other time in a completed file. I couldn't find a proper visual setup, but its around where I'm standing in the previous picture I posted.

Sweet! Wouldn't it mean that any gap around that size would be able to be dash canceled over? I'm not sure if there are any other locations like this but, maybe?

I was also testing this in the Swamp Palace and found 3 softlock areas. The first one is the very first door you enter and the other 2 are in the second room through the other sides of the two bottom doors. (if that makes sense)

Something interesting though about the bottom doors is you can see where Link gets stuck.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRqfdwIwWmfVib)

I'm guessing this is as far as he walks through all the doors when doing the Bell trick.

EDIT: I found that doing the bell trick on any of the doors connected to the boss door room cause the game to softlock...weird.

Here's an image of the position for the skip: http://i.imgur.com/mYpqB35.png

I guess so. I tried doing it while entering Skull Woods and it did something weird. It didn't clip or anything but the stairs animation happened twice and Link entered the temple normally on the second time.

Also, using the glitch on staircases doesn't do anything special other than Link holding the bell all the way up/down.

I was looking around for some other places that might be able to be dash canceled to and I found an area that it might be possible

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRqg9Uovbfq5bN)

If it was possible to get over there it would mean an Ice Cave skip! :O I couldn't find a specific spot myself but maybe someone else could be able to  ???

I believe the HoG dash cancel is only possible because of some shenanigans due to the stairs. I don't think it would work in this area. You can try and prove me wrong though.

Rapid_F and I found a new skip in Swamp Palace using the "new" dash-cancel near stairs knowledge.

https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADMUKlo9FIDzA

Basically dash cancel from stairs to bridge where Link is on the picture. Skips Gigabari and also having to get a small key. \o/


EDIT: Well holy damn, it actually cuts like 75% off the Swamp Palace.

Setup = https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAABnUYnpto-Cmg

Basically, the new Swamp route is

- Get Big Key
- Get usual small key in east B1 room
- Go to west B1 room, perform the skip
- Grab the key, raise water in next room
- Skip miniboss (Gyorms)
- Fall down to press switch, raise water twice
- Back to main room, press switch to access boss room
- Boss

This is amazing. I might actually come back to running this game.

Wow, that's huge.. I better start practising my lorule runs so I can actually finish a run ;)

I figured out its possible to dash cancel over the pits in the boulder cave in death mountain. This means it would be possible to get to tower of Hera before merge, if you use early flippers to get Pegasus boots. This isn't very useful unless you want to activate tower of Hera weather vane when you do early death mountain.

You need merge to get behind the shady guy though.

Other then merging, you'd need to do some kind of bomb ledge jumping without any dashing involved.
If this is possible, then you could get into the tower early.

if you mean the gap right before the tower, you can fall, enter the cave north and exit on the other side.

Um. You've been able to reach ToH early for ages. Just position yourself right at the edge of a hole (I think it's somewhat specific), when the rock comes and hits you it'll throw you over the gap. You need to do it 3 times though, so you either need 4 hearts, a bottle with healing, or you need to throw a pot over the first gap and make a heart drop there.

This is right. I remember someone saying it was possible to make it up there without merge not long after PGS was found, so I tried it myself and made it. The method to cross a gap is to face the north wall and run "into it", and then tilt the stick slightly towards the gap when a boulder gets close, so that it hits you and boosts you to the other side. Like Road said, you need to do it 3 times. What I personally did was get 4 heart pieces (IIRC, that one cave in Kakariko, the one in Swamp cave, and the two just south of Eastern Palace (with TRod, Bombs and Hammer). You can also get a bottle, but for that you will need to do Flippers Early since the only available bottle before Easter Palace is the one from the Bird Man under the bridge. You can NOT do the pot strat though, as (from my experience) the pots will never give you a heart if you're already at full health. Once you made it past the final gap, you can easily finish the climb. Simply jump down to that ledge that leads to and heart piece after the last cave, and from there you can enter another cave that exits just beside ToH.

This is useless anyway, because you can't even get past the first room in ToH without merge. (Or the 2nd room in HoG, for that matter.)


EDIT: You could take half a heart of damage before entering the game to allow hearts to spawn from pots. oops

EDIT2: This whole post is a mess, carry on.

Useless or not, is there a video of it?
If not, how hard is it to do?

I'd like to start off by introducing myself, I'm wastedweek and I've been following this topic for sometime now. I've taken a serious interest in finding glitches and series breaks in ALBW and as such decided to start an account to join in with discussions. Unfortunatly it took sometime for my account to be accepted for some reason. One of the main glitches that got me interested was the Village Merge warp glitch, I actually uploaded a video the day someone else annouced it on here, although I go about doing it slightly different. Anyway, hopefully I can contribute to current findings and discussions. :)


Here you go king,
http://youtu.be/_BR2dQbzbGE

Hi wastedweek! :) Welcome to ZSR! I'm sure you'll help break down this game with us!

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Tonight I was messing around with the statues in the rising pillars section of Lorule Castle hoping to find a skip, and I did find something really interesting.

I brought over some of the gargoyle statues to where the big spiked ball comes out and started testing stuff out there. I found some stuff that looks promising and could potentially lead to a major skip.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRrXiz8Ww_91Wt)

I ended up making this setup where you can t-rod underneath the ball and land on the statue on the right and enter that hole.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRrV9hcNx_EZ8b)

You can walk into it and surprisingly, there is a ceiling and even a back wall inside you can merge on.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRrXlFQiWKzl-u)

It's possible to walk on top of the ball only if you hold out your shield for some reason.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRrXqaw5RGcoF0)

While testing with all this stuff, Link always came close to landing on the top ledge. There is also so many different combinations to do using all the different statues in different spots and so on. I even managed to get the ball the land on Link which had him inside after. (I couldn't remember what I did though lol) I didn't get to test very long as I found this as I was about to go to bed, but I you guys should mess around with this. I'm really hoping this can be used to skip all of the castle

So it turns out you can skip Irene's Bell entirely.

https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAAAYUKlOoX93Kg

It's really easy too, all you gotta do is get Flippers Early (lol....................................................................) and avoid Irene triggers in the Hyrule Overworld. Climbing down Ice Cave is a royal pain. I need sleep. Low% is a terrible category.

Low% would have a rough time with this, since I see no use for speedruns.
That statue glitch looks interesting.

Hmm, I wonder if statue collision and enemy collision can work the same.

Let's take this glitch here for example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66HBnBac7Qs
What if the statue that was touching the poles was an enemy, and you pulled the statue like in the video.
If the enemy fell ontop of you, would you fall through the ground?  If not, would you if you didn't take damage from the enemy?

Something to think about.

I thought we had this one known for months by now. Like, when we originally tried to find a way to skip the trial (And which was found way later, of course)

KingOfHeart brings an interesting point. I wonder if the ball could be used to clip through ground by the same strategy as in Thieves'? I think it's pretty unlikely that it would actually bear anything of worth though. Just something to think about.


Well, while here, I might as well drop the ice cube clip I found at Ice Ruins earlier.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRrVlXk32JTSG0)

All you need to do is have the moving platform come down from above (I think you need to be by the wall) and it should clip you through. Unfortunately, not useful since you could hit the switch, but the switch is needed to turn the platform on.

I'm not sure if the spiked ball thing was already found, but if not, I'll test to possibly clip through a wall or something if the ball lands on you in a corner. This spot is just so glitchy that it would be disappointing if it wasn't possible to do anything there. xD

Well I just did the Bell glitch myself. Not super hard to do I learned.
I tested in the first room heading North in the "house of gales".
I'm guessing when you do this glitch, Link automatically walks forward before falling, because at first I thought I had to manually walk to fall, but on the second test I noticed none of the controls responded and I fell.

Just wondering, are these videos known? O.o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gQ2zfPM7V8&list=UUE27nkA1cDVHDbe9HsWrz3g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB2877mTXtI&list=UUE27nkA1cDVHDbe9HsWrz3g

They were made about a week ago but I'm not sure if anybody knows about them. AJC868 found a way to do the Desert Palace skip without the portal clip. He does a bomb boost up on to the cliff (which I didn't know was possible actually). It is definitely faster than the moblin set up/portal clip and It also makes Sand Rod skippable (although I'm guessing it would make the boss fight slower. Also is perfect for Low%). I noticed nobody has done this in a run yet

EDIT:Using that bomb boost to get up on ledges, I was able to do it here too (although useless)

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRrh8ngCv6NgIo)

Weegee, I at least did a lot of stuff with the spiked ball, including most of what was shown here. I don't think I ever stood on the ball though.

Those videos... yeah, we saw them a bit back when we accidentally found the newest one he had at the time (Thieves' BK skip, which led to being useful)


After we realized Sand Rod and Scroll can be skipped in low% now, we went to test what would happen if we did Thieves' last (This was an option before too. No one just thought of it), and that ended with us skipping Triforce of Courage. I doubt anyone will do it in a run though, since it's somewhat marginal in saved time, and it's really hard, failing means like a minute of time lost. It's kinda like doing Rosso's Ore skip. You can do it like 4 seconds faster with Bomb Boost, but it's just not worth the risk.

Ah ok :P Well maybe one day when a TAS gets made, we'll be able to see those Bomb Boosts get put to use! lol

I think I will do some timings of whether doing Thieves last is actually faster considering you need to get Skull Woods ore.

Not sure what I should really time, though. Probably the length of the triforce cutscene, length of desert segment, getting skull woods ore (or just the whole dungeon because in the current route you have lv2 MS), not getting thieves ore, and getting rupees elsewhere (100 in kak, there's a 100 and a 50 in hera that only take like 10-15 seconds each)

I don't see what would be difficult about it though... How hard is fighting zaganaga without sand rod? You just use bow and bombs, right?

Also RIP low% lol

Other then not buying the Sandrod, I don't see a reason to change temple order.

edit: How did he make the bomb explode early?

Zaganaga fight without the Sand Rod is pretty damn long. Bow does 2 damage, Sword Beams (Tempered) do 1.5, and bombs do 3 (although I'm pretty sure you can't use those. He never went to the north platform when i fought it without Sand Rod) Assuming you don't get hit at all (which isn't too bad once you know where to place yourself), you can spam Sword Beams when he's on the right platform, and Bow when he's on the left and south ones. Thing is, you quickly run out of energy for the bow (especially if he keeps going back and forth between left and south), and you can't jump in the sand to refill it or you'll lose your beams. He has a bit over 150 HP.

Outside of that, getting Master Ore in Skull is a bit over 40 seconds I think. Then you'd have to get ~ 250 extra rupees before Lorule for Fire Rod Ice Rod and Hookshot. You would also have to add some more overworld movement due to not getting the tempered sword on the way to Skull, but after it. Also + 20 seconds if you decide to get Energy Scroll to have some more energy for the Zaganaga fight / not have to deal with stupid bomb boost.

You can time everything if you want, but I highly doubt doing Thieves last would be faster.

I think I figured out a new glitch theory based on FAQs.

If I remember right, you can use the Tornado Rod to get you higher if you died and used a fairy.
Well using that same logic then "if you could use a bomb to boost you forward" and "died", you should be able to use the Tornado rod in mid air.
If you die by the bomb explosion with a fairy, will you still have the boost? If so, then try the tornado rod to see what would happen.
If you died in mid air, you should be able to then use the tornado rod.

If you got skills, maybe you could test this theory out.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gQ2zfPM7V8&list=UUE27nkA1cDVHDbe9HsWrz3g < how did he get the bomb to explode? Looked like he swung his sword and the bomb exploded early.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRtTrKAIuqclST)

So, using a T-rod at the upper corner of the stone cluster (I'm sure you can see what I mean) with the green knight on you, you can get on top of the ledge (I think it requires multiple T-rod uses).

Don't see any other real uses for it other than skipping the bell without early flippers. Most of us won't care about that :P

You can get on a ledge with a windrod, that's very interesting.
Could lead to some interesting and new ledge glitches depending on the requirements.

https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAAAhUqFNSZDFnA

Is it common for enemies to pass through in game objects that link can't pass through? I've noticed you can bump enemies through bushes, I'm unsure if they gain 'invincibility' and that's why they pass through or if they work differently to link.

can you get an enemy to stay in a bush?
If so, maybe you could use the enemy to glitch through the bush without using a sword.
And if that works, maybe you could get an enemy to go through other objects and pass through it..locked doors for example.

nvm what? It doesn't softlock, or someone else found the glitch?

You can leave the room and re-enter, and the key will respawn.

Btw I've had that happen a few times in runs. Partially why I don't drop the bomb before hitting the switch.

I'm new within the forums as you can see, however I've been speed running this game quietly on my own, just yesterday I've decided to get more into the community this fantastic game has and try every glitch posted here.

I've had this kept to myself and yet to see anyone mentioning it, I'd like to tag it as a general time saver.

Thus it's not big, it's actually way more comfortable and relatively fast.



- Using the sand rod to stun enemies and lure them into the spots you will proceed to perform any sort of skip/glitch is faster than doing it with the boomerang or Hookshot

- Reason for it being faster is because the enemy DOES NOT gain invincibility frames to your sand rod as it would do after using the Boomerang / Hookshot

- The knock back is just about the same.

- Only downside of the rod would be the square it works with, however it's easy to get used to and can easily spam it to set your target monster to the destination quickly.

Welcome to the community! Always happy to see new people around. :)

Even though we were already aware of that (described in a section on the website (http://www.zeldaspeedruns.com/albw/techniques/portal-clipping#pushing-enemies-efficiently)), thanks for taking the time to post and share your knowledge. :D

Ah, sorry! I was thinking about it considering the official speed run guide  only brings up the Hookshot and Boomerang options on other sections
 
Thanks for the warm welcome.

I've been trying to perform the desert Palace skip for 2 days so far, over 15 hours of playtime trying and trying over and over again, come to the results that so far I've only done it successfully 2 times, why is this method considered viable?

Hi! :) Welcome to the community!

Here: http://www.zeldaspeedruns.com/albw/seqbreak/desert-palace-skip

If you want to learn all about the Desert Skip, I suggest reading all that page. But if you don't really feel like reading all of that, I'd suggest doing the Bomb-Back Boost method. The Ice Rod way of doing it is honestly a lot harder, when all you have to do is get hurt by a bomb.

Here's a video of the BBB in action: http://www.twitch.tv/viskiv/c/3723680

You get hurt by the bomb at the last second which pushes you further into the portal. Once pushed in further, face down-left and t-rod. Hope that helps!

You could also leap off and use a bomb to fly up. Not sure if this is easier or harder then the portal method.

Thanks for the warm welcome :)! I'll make sure I test all the methods!

I discovered today how to cancel the end lag on most items. 

For example: All you have to do to cancel the end lag on the hammer is, use the hammer and as it's smashing down press the Quick Equip button. It will still have smashed down but cancelled the ending animation. It can even be done so quickly, that there would be no smashing effect.

It works for:
Bow
Bombs (although pretty quick anyways)
Hookshot
Fire Rod
Ice Rod
Sand Rod
Hammer
(It also works for Hint Glasses, but instead will take them off during the 'putting on' animation. So Link will not be wearing them during the animation)

You can also cancel the end lag by using Select and switching out the item with something else, but it's useless as it's not any faster.

I found a new timesaver in Hyrule Castle today!

I found a way use an enemy and a staircase on 5F to get OoB and do a little timesaver.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR023J00OPG39l)

Similar to the Armos room skip but instead with a soldier, you stand up against the bottom/top staircase (probably depending on what the soldier is closer to at the time) and have them run into you. After you are invinicible and the enemy is running in your body you Tornado Rod. You should get OoB and land on the tiny ledge. I'd like to note that the Soldier should be slightly above you on the staircase for this to work.

After you get on the ledge, run to the very bottom and stand underneath the floor above you. All you need to do is T-rod and you'll clip through the platform above you.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR03BJo5aHsbkJ)

It saves some time over running around the normal way.
 
You can even merge while up there and walk around to the Bomb Soldier platform!  ;D

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR03MjQWwRG63u)

Well, found another timesaver today, but this time it's a skip for Tower of Hera.

It skips the 4F room and the platform riding section of 5F. To do it you'll need to be on 4F and have the 2nd crow follow you to the end platform.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR04QjEWWyBjbs)

Tornado Rod around that spot and have the crow hit you at your peak height. Link will glitch and transfer to the floor above him. You'll land on this platform specifically:

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR04aY0B-Vjae8)

For some reason, Link gets transferred to the floor above him if he gets hurt at that height from a crow. You can do it slightly away from that spot and Link will be on 5F but do the falling animation instantly. 

Videos! Because it's easier to understand them, and I know Rheault will ask for them later. I don't have one for Hyrule Castle though; I didn't even try it too much =p

ToH skip: http://www.twitch.tv/anwonu/c/4105052
Ice skip: http://www.twitch.tv/anwonu/c/4105033

A few days ago I found a damage technique with the crow to move up floors, but then I found a way to use it with bombs thus finding a new use for Bomb Boosting. It requires you to be in an area where you can fall from floor to floor like ToH. You stand somewhere that is close to the ceiling, place a bomb and t-rod as it's close to exploding. You'll be damaged in the air but also transfer to the floor above you. It can be used to clip through floors and skip some things in ToH.

I was testing it with Nice Bombs the whole time not thinking it would make a difference, but then later found out it did! I didn't know it but, Nice Bombs were making it easier to be hit at a higher point in your Tornado Rod flight. Normal Bombs have a shorter hitbox, so you can't get hit high enough for most of the skips to work. It is still possible to transfer to the next floor with Normal Bombs, but you won't clip through the floor. Out of all of the skips only 2 were possible with Normal Bombs. But even still, here are all the possible spots with Normal Bombs AND Nice Bombs.

NOTE: All locations work with Nice Bombs. This is meant to show what works with Normal Bombs and what only works with Nice Bombs.

Normal Bombs

1F

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR1y5FgnwMqbU1)

Although completely useless (only included for completeness), You can clip from 1F to 2F by standing on the chest on the center platform on 1F and performing a Bomb Boost.

3F

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR1PLZE01Oero1)

Using it on top of the small key platform near the edge, you can clip into 4F in the area pictured. You can even do it near the center of the platform and clip into the wall on 4F. From there you can T-rod up onto the 5F platform to avoid hammering down the Mole.

5F

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR1NufojoiU9_i)(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR1zB7EHPOwmK1)

Using it on either the red or blue pillars in that spot, you'll be clipped into the wall on 5F. From there you can skip the Stalfos fight by simply using the T-Rod and landing on the ledge above you.

NOTE: If you walk towards the Stalfos, their bodies will stay lying on the ground. Walking into one or hitting one with your sword will wake up that specific Stalfos. You can defeat them one by one this way and have the rising platform work and activate the portal like normal. If you walk towards the door after, it will close then re-open really quickly. The mini boss music will also start playing and will be overlapping the normal dungeon music until you leave the actual dungeon. Even more odd is, once the music is overlapping and you walk through the door in 7F, the fanfare music for defeating a mini boss will play. After that, no music will be playing. The entire dungeon will be silent except for the sound effects.

Alternatively, instead of hitting the lying Stalfos, you can walk to the door which will then close and the fight will activate normally.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR1zLQsCYfqI_Q)

8F

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR1MO2InNvsXq7)

Throwing a bomb on top of the chest in the room and t-rodding will Bomb Boost you into 9F. It's useless as you can only skip the Flying Tile fight with Nice Bombs by Bomb Boosting into 8F.

Nice Bombs Only

2F

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR1MenMgd8QPRO)

Using it on the platform with the Hardhat Beetles, you can clip into the platform with the small key. There is no void to fall into once inside and you can t-rod on top.

NOTE: Failing to land on 3F and then landing back on 2F causes a graphical glitch where everything on 1F becomes invisible. All you can see is the sky background of the dungeon. This graphical glitch is still achievable with Normal Bombs.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR1MZBwnhXcZn3)(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR1MbhAuZvW82l)

6F

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR1OulcHFz4jE7)

A Bomb Boost can be done on the ledge you flew up onto so you can clip into 7F. It may or may not be faster than just hammering the Mole.

7F

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR1NX7sH7vNBf2)

You can use it on lots of different spots on the blue/red pillars and you'll get clipped into the fairy room that is 8F. This is a perfect opportunity to then restore some of your hearts if you haven't already after doing multiple Bomb Boosts.

NOTE: Failing to land in the fairy room and falling back down to 7F causes the rising platform on 6F to disappear. There will be a black hole where it was and you can actually fall through it and land on 5F. This platform glitch is still achievable with Normal Bombs.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR1zE5UGEfb6fs)

8F

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR1OHUszJlxPWT)(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR1MO2InNvsXq7)

Standing in that area on 8F, you can Bomb Boost into the wall on 9F. From there you can T-Rod onto the ledge above you and skip the Flying Tile fight.

NOTE: Letting all the Tiles die and then walking to the door will make it close and then re-open really quickly.

9F

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR1ORqQxOBrACG)

On the ledge you T-rodded on to, you can then do another Bomb Boost and get on to the cage floor on 10F. This could potentially be faster than switching out to the hammer to hit one of the Moles.

10F

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR1MU2wAUd87qN)

You can do it once up there to skip having to hit all the switches. Instead of having to lower the Mole, you can land on the platform above you.

Anyone make a video of this yet(speedrun video prefered), it sounds cool... I bet it will look cool to.

RIP Ice Ruins. That's what you get for not wanting to be broken for so long Kappa
http://www.twitch.tv/anwonu/c/4113962

Wow, that's epic crazy.

Just so there is no confusion, I edited my last post will all the updated info on the bomb boosting in ToH. I separated Normal Bomb/Nice Bomb locations and even found some new glitchy thing with it!

Nice going, Weegee.

Those Stalfos are fun. If you hit them with something that kills them in one hit (Like a hammer) when they're still down, they'll get up, and then walking at you won't hurt you, and anything, even weapons that deal no damage will kill them.

I have no idea how that would be useful, but it's something to keep in mind, in addition to the semi-Dharkstare skip (Since both do weird things with enemy health)


It's worth noting that I found an alternative way to do this (And it's apparently slightly less exact): You can throw a bomb to a higher platform in some cases, and then T-Rod yourself. You can get the same boost, but it's usable at different places.

For example, it let's us be very, VERY close to getting from 1F to 2F (Maybe Nice Bombs?), and you can get from 10F to 11F without lowering the mole (You can throw your bomb on the mole platform)

EDIT: Yup, Nice Bombs easily skip 1F.

For those who hadn't seen it yet, this is the new method for the new tricks. (And the new route for ToH if you go for them)

http://www.twitch.tv/anwonu/c/4121934

Messing around some more with the Bomb Boosting in ToH, I found a quicker and a lot safer way to skip floors 3-6. It requires you to only have to do the Bomb Boost on 3F thus making this method less risky.

Start it by doing this Bomb Boost set up:

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR2DAiUiNzf2iO)

You'll clip into the wall above you on 4F. From there, t-rod once and you'll land in the wall on 5F.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR2DC_85CA-yOL)(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR1gsgcNFFY61v)

There is no void up there and you can walk around a certain area. Using the map up there, position yourself here:

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR2DGqI3qfr4ne)

(I only used 6F because I found it easier to position myself. You can just use 5F's and it will be the same location).

When walking over to that spot, it's possible to walk too far and clip outside. If you do that accidentally, you'll fall. Luckily though, if you do clip outside, you can quickly walk back where you came from and avoid falling. I wouldn't worry too much about clipping outside as the set up for this is pretty easy.

But anyways, once in that spot you can t-rod and land on 6F on the bottom floor. Quickly T-rod again to land on the top platform because if you take too long, you'll fall into void.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR1g4n0M19GiE1)

Simply T-rod again and you'll be on 7F.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR1hGWYj84wtsS)

Sadly, you can't land on the top wall of 7F as you could the others because above you in 8F, there is no floor. BUT, I believe there still is a way to move up the floors from here. You can walk along the inside of the walls in 7F and can walk far enough out of them to clip outside. I have a theory that you could be clipped in a wall and be standing on one of the blue/red pillars against the wall. Shoot at one of the switches to raise the pillar to gain some height OoB. From there, clip to the outside and immediately T-rod to land on the next wall. This could potentially work as 7F is a special floor that is possible to get to 2 different floors (8F,9F).

Once again very nice find weegee. :o :D

I played a bit with it just now and managed to get all the way up to 9F without moving much from that one corner. I'll try to see if I can get further.

EDIT: Made it to 10F. That one is useless unless we are able to get up higher.

EDIT: Anwonu made it to the Big Key chest.

Sweet find :)

Here's Anwonu's highlight of the new ToH route: http://www.twitch.tv/anwonu/c/4126999

It saves approximately 35-40 seconds over the route with the Crow Skip. He timed different routes (including one that skipped doing the 10F switches room) and this one ended up being the fastest. (One that was clipping back inbound was about the same, but you still had to do the tiles room and.... yeah no Kappa)

With this recent stuff and the trick that Linkshot found to skip part of 1F, it is now possible to beat Tower Of Hera without merging a single time. This means that we can beat ToH before we even enter Eastern Palace.

(http://i.imgur.com/ElogDD0.jpg)

Any reason Anwonu kept pausing(meaning just standing there) for so long?
Was he taking his time, or there another special trick that needs to be done.

I think it'd be interesting to see if the game actually checks for the Pendant of Courage when going for MS. (It most likely does. Both ToC cutscene and Lorule Castle entrance check for all 7 Paintings, despite Thieves' being mandatory due to Sand Rod) Of course, that would need HoG to be beaten without merge too. How many spots need merging there? Just the second room? (Tho, do note, no HoG skipskip due to no Boots)

He needed to wait for the stamina meter to fill up enough to use the Tornado Rod again.

Also, you guys are breaking this game too fast D:  Every time I learn a new trick, I come back and find that another one has been found. Great job though :P

Without Boots, there are a few places that require merge:

Second room, to reach Bubbles room.
Reaching the switch that spawns the 3rd Small Key (Before Miniboss)
Going through the lower level of the pre-Boss room to reach the final Small Key

You could skip either one of the last two by finding a setup for the old skip that doesn't require merging the wall to line up the Armos.

How do you get past he first room in ToH without merging

https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAAAYUKlSNAoaOg

When you release the spin attack, it will hit the spinny spiky thing and it will recoil. Because Link is standing close to a ledge, the recoil will cause him to jump in the air. If you time it correctly, the bomb will explode at that exact moment and the explosion will damage Link and push him south over the little railing blocking you.

B A S E D A J C

http://www.twitch.tv/gigadb/c/4133335

The game has only been out for 5 months and we've already broken it this much. I think they need to hire us as play testers Kappa

It's a good kind of broken though, unlike SS where the game will easily freeze up.

Well, Weegee, I had to do this just to prove you wrong: http://www.twitch.tv/viskiv/c/4138397

Turtle Rock skip. Skips getting two keys, getting the boss key, and doing the old trick to access another room to hit a switch. In Any%, it saves a minute and a half. I haven't timed out the old 100% route, but you can dash slide onto the Hylian Shield platform from that ledge, which saves even more time.

This is the first glitch I've found that will be really useful in runs (only other thing being bomb boosts for the bridge we hookshot clip across and big bomb heart piece skip), and I was so sure about Turtle Rock being breakable, so it felt really validating to just go in and break it.

Stupid timesaver in Skull Woods. https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADMUKls3gZfjw

You can use the statue to Recoil Jump and skip the puzzle with a boost. Most likely works with other positions for the statue (to reduce pushing time).

@Viskiv: Wow man, that's awesome!  :D I didn't think Bombrodding would work on non ToH-esque dungeons. Does that mean this will work on any platform above Link?

@Rheault: Nice! I knew Recoil BB would be useful somewhere else. The gargoyle statues are perfect set ups for some potential skips elsewhere.

@Nick: lol, wasn't it decided that Bombrodding all the way up to the boss door wouldn't be much faster than the normal route?

@Weegee: So far the T-Rock BombRod has no uses elsewhere. There was an idea to do it in the Boss Door room in Dark Palace (To get on top of one of the platform railings, then merge or dash or something right to the door to skip hitting the four light things in upper floors), but seems the railing is too high or something.

https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADRUqF6JkcRFg
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADMUKltCFWOvQ

If anybody else want to play around a BK Skip in ToH. I've climbed up there enough times for a while now.

Hmmm...I'll definitely mess around with this later. There's got to be a way to skip getting the Boss Key.

To be recorded: Tdutch, Viskiv and I were discussing about getting a crash in the game. We found out it was related to the new ToH clips, and I found a way to reproduce the crash.
Maybe there's some utility for it, but it's just funny cutscenes and crashes for now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f0YByoZxYA

The video shows the funny cutscene, but it's prepared to be crashed already. Once you reset during the transition, any time you enter a file and open and close a menu, or just wait on the file screen, the game will crash.

Ah, also, you don't need to go all the way up to 7F; falling from 5F already works.

I decided to mess around with Background Storage a bit and decided to compile a list of all the findings.

-Waiting for the 'Hero Legend' cutscene to play on the title screen results in a glitched cutscene. The ToH background will be behind the pictures.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR3-dacquhkmah)(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR3-fQMDVpf2kn)

-Opening a file and starting a new game will have the ToH background during the opening cutscene.

-After a while of sitting on the File Select screen, the bottom screen will suddenly go glitched and the game will crash.

-Gameplay becomes a bit choppy.

-Opening Gear or Items causes the game to crash.

-Opening a menu has different oddities depending on where they are opened. Some spots make both top and bottom screens go black with multi-coloured pixels. Some spots open the menu for a second but then crash (music still plays). Others will allow the menu to be opened, but when it is closed the game crashes. Some spots can also make it crash and glitch only the bottom screen with a bunch of crazy pixels.

-Going through a portal causes the game to crash once you get close to coming out the other side.

-Performing BS and returning to ToH produces a few things. 1F crashes normally when opening menus. On 2F you can open menus, but then closing them makes the bottom screen glitch and the game will crash. Going to 3F will cancel the Background Storage.

-Have your game crash and then start it up again.  If you then Bombrod again in ToH up to 5F/and above and then fall, when the screen starts moving back to 3F, it will be more glitched. It also does this if you cancel a BS and do it again while in ToH.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR3-wNEPGb4jEN)

Are these glitched things perma(like if you saved) or temp?

I'm not sure if this has been found already, but I couldn't find any posts on it here so I'll post it anyways.

I found a really easy way to beat Eastern Palace before Sanctuary. The way you do it is:

1. Get item rental early. Don't buy any items yet though.
2. Go to the Sanctuary to get the sword and go inside to get the Lamp for an item slot.
3. Get hit by an enemy until you die. You'll spawn back in Link's house.
4. Now buy the Bow and Tornado Rod and go complete EP.

Doing this causes a few oddities. It seems to be useless so far but I thought I'd post it for any future possibilities.

This is a list of all the oddities I found by doing this.

• After completing Eastern Palace, Ravio's Bracelet won't appear in the Gear menu. You will still be able to Merge though.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR52huga5B7PTh)

• The soldier, along with the gate, will still be at Hyrule Castle. The gate remains closed even through the barrier. Completing HoG and ToH doesn't change anything.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR52Tk05KJB_Fw) (https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR53RRYlshRR7F)

• Everywhere remains misty,with Hyrule Castle being an exception. Even after getting the Master Sword, everything stays misty. The music will change though. Merging makes the mist disappear but it will come back after un-merging
• All the post-Eastern Palace enemies will appear. Irene will also work like normal.
• Blacksmith's Wife will start searching for Gulley although he still remains at their house.
• When you pick up the Pouch, no 'acquiring item' animation plays for it. The Pouch won't appear in the Gear menu or add another slot.  Gulley's mom will appear but no cutscene will activate. She'll remain in that spot and you will not be able to speak to her.
• There will then be 3 Blacksmith's Wives. One in the house like normal. One outside of the house after getting the Pouch. (This one will look worried and will cry like when Gulley's missing. Oddly though, she will say the same dialogue she says in the house). The last one is where you found the Pouch.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR52arYWTAwwMy) (https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR52kBgr5zhc0p) (https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR52nRAeiJPhAb)

• All the houses remain locked in Kakariko Village.
• "Woman" stays in her same spot and "Papa" is also there. They will walk through each others bodies.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR52rQ8yR3Jy4b)

• "Street Merchant" will not sell anything but will still sell the Smooth Gem. Even with the Smooth Gem (which is purchasable), he still says his shop is closed.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR52vsUj9FbU-z)

• Fortune-Teller won't give you the Hint Glasses until you've gone through Sanctuary.

What happens if you buy an item?

Yeah, this was actually one of the first things tested after PGS was found. It just wasn't recorded here in the forums or site, I guess.
As you noticed, it wasn't useful because the castle is still closed. It's still one of the glitches I recommend people doing because of how funny the game gets =p (and to make them understand exactly why we can't skip sanc if they suggest it)

I just wish there was a way to get the lantern or another way to be able to use items. It be interesting to do a swordless/default sword run through the entire game.

I'm not sure the combo...but when glitchers got this item too early, it just disappeared forever.

Actually, the only thing you can buy is the Smooth Gem. He won't sell anything until the Sanctuary is completed. But buying the Smooth Gem acts like normal. You can purchase it and go complete House of Gales.


Ya, the Pouch appears after beating Eastern Palace. But when you go pick it up, nothing happens. So, if Sanctuary was able to be skipped at some point, it means the Pouch would never be used :( I can see it being pretty annoying only having one item slot throughout the entire game


It's a shame it can't be skipped :P I was really hoping the game would just get rid of that soldier at the gate like it does with the other ones. It's almost like Nintendo planned it so it would never be skippable lol.

Wow! Very interesting glitch! Can it be used for anything?

Viskiv tried it on Sanctuary end, entering first Lorule cutscene and exiting Eastern Palace. Nothing useful came out of it yet, but there might be some more testing around possible to see more effects/oddities.

Do you have to be in a different screen?
Have you tried it during the final boss fights?
Lots of text speeches there.

We tested around, nothing useful found. Fairy seems to be useless; she revives you and you're put back in the cutscene.
Doing before Yuganon fight gives you a game over with the boss sound playing on game over screen (I didn't try this one though, just read); doing after Yuganon fights makes you die at sacred realm, and you're sent back to your house. You'd need to fight Yuganon again if you go back to the castle.

Please tell me you guys aren't talking about bombing yourself into loading zones to die. I found a cutscene skip by doing that that may save around 10-15 seconds in the run. I won't say what I did though cause I don't want to find out that someone already discovered it.

Well it's not really helping anyone if you don't say what it is. It doesn't really matter who found it.

And generally if a trick is found, and the forums are working, it can be found here.

Ok well here's what I did. Follow the normal route up until sanctuary. The only difference is that you have the sufficient amount of rupees to buy bombs after Ravio #2 cutscene. Purchase bombs then head to eastern palace. Beat EP but then at the exit/entrance, bomb yourself into the loading zone to die. You will respawn at link's house and when you leave, the missing boy cutscene will play and you'll re-enter the house (this is just an oddity, not necessarily relevant). You now have the ability to merge but don't have the pendant of courage. Beat HoG and ToH. Salhalra will tell you to get the master sword. Get it and head to Hyrule castle. I did not continue to see if skipping the barrier cutscene after beating EP has any softlock effects but i'm afraid that it might. I'll continue tonight to see what happens. If anyone has already found this, I sincerely apologize for my third false alarm.

Did you just prove that you don't even need the pendant of courage?
That means, it's possible to do the eastern palace after getting the MasterSword IF the other two levels can be beaten without merging.
I believe someone beat the Tower without merging.

You do get the ability to merge with this: you still beat Yuga at EP, but you skip the cutscene with sahasrahla after exiting the dungeon.

Even if you could get to Lorule like this, I doubt this would be faster because you would have to re-buy all three items because of dying.

Yes King because on that file, I have the Master Sword and the other 2 pendants, but no pendant of courage. I said 10-15 because I did take into account that you need to buy them back, but the rupees can be routed out during the running around to get the zora flippers pre-Irene's bell. I would just appreciate it if someone timed the current route vs this route. I suck too badly at this game to do it myself.

edit: Oh and King, you have to beat EP first to get merge. You're just bombing yourself out the entrance/exit afterwards.

As far as I know, Viskiv tested that one out and you end up not being able to progress in Hyrule Castle because you don't have the Pendant Of Courage or something like that. Guards are blocking you or something.

And I did beat ToH without merge before. There's still much to be found before we can do HoG mergeless.

I know you get the merge from the first dungeon, but you just proved that the first dungeon could be done after getting the MasterSword instead of first.
The only thing stopping this from happening is the Wind Dungeon.

Well I guess I still haven't ever discovered anything on my own if Viskiv already did this, but I will see what I can do concerning mergeless HoG. Let's get this done guys!!!

I testing all possible bombrodding areas in the second room for 3 hours today and so far nothing... I can't believe that the first of the two merges (more than likely going to be the most difficult to find a skip for) is the difference between Lorule without pendant of courage and Lorule with pendant of courage  >:( I'm still not giving up ;D

How many merges are even needed in the wind temple?

You can't bombrod in Gales because the floors are loaded separately, unlike in Hera, where the entire dungeon is loaded at once.

Let me rephrase my message.
Without boots, how many merges are needed?

Tr621: I've been trying to bombrod through the fence looking floor similar to the Turtle Rock BK skip.

While searching for some HoG mergeless glitches, I came across a new potential use for Bombrodding. By just doing a Bombrod under the cage flooring in the dungeon, I noticed something interesting:

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR89hk87ZYxBKL)

I didn't really notice it at first (cause it was happening so fast), but Bombrodding was actually partially clipping Link into the floor above him. I thought I would be able to activate the switch, but it didn't work. BUT, if hearts/stamina bottles/monster guts were on the floor above him, he would pick it up. In theory, this should be able to work with small keys as well!

I personally don't know of any locations where this could be used, but maybe someone here does!  :)

EDIT: Another interesting note about this too. If there is an enemy/pot/switch or just anything that can be affected by an item above you, you usually can't hit it by just laying down a bomb or using the tornado rod. But a Bombrod will hit the thing above you. This also could lead to some kind of skip

I'll get to work.

That should theoretically work further north in that room. IIRC there's a stamina jar up there, so you could bomb the switch to activate the fan, and then bomb the skull to get the stamina potion to appear, then do the trick!

But would it even be worth it to beat HoG before EP if we could? We can't beat the game without merging, so we need to do EP at some point, and if we did ToH and HoG first, we'd have to rely on a stupid trick to get flippers without merging, and depending on luck, could destroy so many runs.

Regardless, wouldn't this be faster for the current route anyways if it works? It would skip a small key, right?

Of course this will never be faster, but for the sake of beating EP with master sword, we're trying our best to figure this thing out. If it all works out, cool. If not, no biggy.

Nice, Weegee had the same idea as I did last night, to hit the switch from below somehow. No luck there either.

Could rats be used in the same way as Armos enemies?
If so, you could possibly use your rod as the rat collides with you to get on the caged floor.

I tried doing that a while back, and I got nothing out of it. I think either the rat physics just don't work the same way, or maybe it was just me being lame at playing this game. Regardless, it would be extremely inconsistent, since the rats are always so random.

I should also probably note that this works on any solid object, so this could be useful in some other dungeons too!  :o You can partially clip through a bunch of different things with a Bombrod.

Can frozen enemies push switches?
Doesn't work on those electrical red enemies though.

I'm not sure, but I don't think it would matter as Bari's float around. Sadly, the only way that switch can be activated is by standing on it.

What do you mean by that camera thing? I tried it on both types of fans in the game. It didn't do anything with the vertical ones, and with the horizontal ones, it didn't seem like the camera affected anything.

I also tested out bombrodding through the metal grating and collecting the stamina potion to see if it would push me through, and well... You can collect things through the layer above you it seems, but it doesn't push you through :(

I used the Wind Rod, and got Bari's to hover over the switch, then used the ice rod...he was frozen in mid air.
There's also a bat up there, but I'd need someone to confirm that a reg frozen enemy could push a switch before I'd continue this theory.

I didn't think enemies would push down switches, but I tested it anyways. Sadly, frozen enemies don't push down switches either:

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR9V-y8KLw6HBr)

Huh, for some reason I couldn't get it to work again...I guess I was just getting really lucky lol. Disregard that camera post lol

You saying we got a random glitch?
Speed runners will hate this glitch if it has a purpose.

Hey all, I've been following this thread for a while and finally made an account after finding some stuff I thought might be worth sharing :)

I was getting particularly annoyed with the cutscene involved with getting the flippers so I thought I'd see if it were possible to get to the HoG without them (although this may never really be useful in a run, but whatever).

Anyway, you can use the Crow south of HoG to get Link onto the raised area of water with a simple damage boost (probably obvious):
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR84SMEnz1ktau)

And from there you can hookshot the ladder on the dock, but unfortunately the dock is too high (I guess?) for Link to actually make it all the way across--he just falls in the water...
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR84V7UWWi7DCn)

Different angles don't really seem to help as far as I can tell, but I got creative and figured out a way across: apparently icebergs created with the ice rod can shift Link's position mid-hookshot to *somehow* allow him to make it onto the dock without falling off:
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR82Rb0ZTt-09C)
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR84MT0bJWUGC4)

This "Bergshot" really isn't even hard to pull off. A few different setups work, including diagonals. Here's a setup that makes only involves Link brushing up the side of one iceberg:
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR84PzM_-pL9FE)

The problem: this doesn't seem to work with the rented/normal hookshot. I guess it's too slow? I've tried every setup I can think of and can't get it to work, even trying to quickly drop multiple icebergs with the normal/rented ice rod to see if that somehow makes a difference. Maybe someone can figure out some way to make it work... I suppose it's worth noting that the crow used to damage boost into this area actually follows you a pretty good distance, and that mashing X/Y as Link falls into the water does actually let you use an item really quickly. I got the tornado rod to work for a split second here (not that anything came of it):

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR9CwdoInDrarg)

Bonus: Icebergs can be used to activate animation storage (although I can't think of where this would be useful):
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR84dKQkqEpbxp)

One final thing: This might be obvious, but I couldn't find any mention of it in the thread... You can freeze this spinny thing to make the timing for the F1 ToH mergeless skip easier:
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR84Zt4fOJZmDd)

What Kind of animation storage?
You mean Leaping?
Are you able to leap on land after being on land?

Wow man, really awesome finds!  ;D If Zora Flippers became skippable all together, that would be cool for low%! I think we'd always need to get them solely for Pegasus Boots in any%. But still, nice creative finds/ideas.

The iceberg animation storage thing is interesting....this could be potentially used somewhere. I also can't think of any specifics though.

It's a shame the Bergshot sounds like it can only be used with the Nice Hookshot. Maybe it can be figured out another way?

I also had no idea the Blade Traps could be frozen.  :o

Reg Hootshot looked possible.
Here's a desc of what I did.


I used the ice rod diagonal(north east). I then walked a little to the east, and aimed north.
Normally when I try to hookshot, it hits the ice block..however, the collision went past it, but I think Link nipped it as he went north.
I managed to hook onto the most west part of the dock(I was facing north).

I can't 100% confirm because I have flippers, but I did try it a few times & saw no swimming animation.

edit: I did it a second time to understand better.
Create a ice block.  Then aim north a little on the left side of the ice block & the left mode side of the dock.
Doing this will make you fly north, & be pushed a little to the left. Link will now be moving north and go past the dock. Once you reach the end of the hookshot, Link will go back right, and back onto the dock.

Will be making a video of this shortly ;)

Yeah, leaping. I'm not sure yet about leaping back on land. If you do it really fast (as in, before the iceberg starts to significantly melt), you seem to be able to do one action really quickly as if you were on land, but you fall into the water as you do it and it almost immediately cancels it out... haven't tested this extensively. Since the icebergs melt rapidly this trick can only really be used right next to the dock or where ever you're storing the animation.

Thanks!  ;D Yeah skipping Flippers altogether would be fantastic, but we're gonna need some major new tricks found before getting through Swamp Palace and just accessing Turtle Rock becomes doable flipperless... Still, progress  ;D

I'll try this on my cartridge and see if I can get it to work... where exactly are you placing the iceberg?

I officially did the glitch, and recorded it.
Uploading now.

edit: Another question. If we go to lorule, will we be able to still obtain the flippers or do we create a dead-end and have to start the game over?

edit2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyabU11uWXQ&list=PLYXYPmpp9mMZk9EOL61_vvogIuAmNx18m&index=51

 :o

Oh wow, nice! I wasn't sure a setup for it actually existed, glad it does! I was able to replicate it pretty easily after seeing your video. I think it works because you actually took Link directly overtop the iceberg (whereas most of my setups just had him brushing against the sides). This means Lorule is reachable without flippers!

I went back to see if you could get the flippers after obtaining all the pendants but before heading to Lorule and something kinda interesting happens. All the Zoras except one in that cutscene will have disappeared, though the cutscenes seem to play as normal (plus a few weird camera angles). You can get the flippers from the not-really-there Queen Oren. Gonna do a bit more testing with this and see if anything gets broken further down the line.

edit: Works the same way after getting to Lorule; glitched cutscene plays then you get them.
edit2: Pics:
https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR9p8IAuJ6SHPJ
https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR9p-jsgHfvF-o
https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR9qGaE1vPe7Y1

I'm a little late on this but, wow, that's so awesome :D This is such a great find! I hope one day the flippers will be skippable all together

Early Bottle Note Glitch
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This is something I haven't seen yet, but one could of already assumed.
You can get the bottle note at any time in the game. Just leap and use a bee. Could also use bombs as well.
The Milk Bar will be closed if done too early.

Once the Milk Bar is open, is the guy on death mountain? If he is, it's most likely possible you can get this bottle before obtaining your merge ability.

Just discovered this, pretty sure it is useless, but would appreciate it if people could play around with it. Sorry for the bad quality of video. http://youtube.com/watch?v=z1DsOSCH2cs

On that note, I've made some progress ;D. There seem to be 3 remaining areas in the game that we actually require the Flippers: the lowest basement in Thieve's Hideout, 3 rooms in the Swamp Palace, and accessing Turtle Rock. Let's go in order:



Thieve's Hideout

Refer to RW's video from a while ago for the Big Key/Boss Door skip: http://www.twitch.tv/rheaultwnage/c/4133090

Pretty much I use his method to get on top of the walls on the top floor, then drop down to that room on the third floor. The room where you first clip is on the West side of the dungeon, so you have to move Link East one room to be able to drop down into it. Here's where I drop down from the first floor (SLOWLY moving to the right):
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-C9s4vF-mg-z)

Here's an alternative place to drop down from when I tried and accidently fell to the second floor first (because I'm bad):
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-T3Ss3KJO2ML)

I'm pretty sure (no, I KNOW) there's a better setup for this, and/or one that doesn't require you to go up and then back down with the clipping, but at the time I'm posting this I haven't found it.

You'll land in the hallway that reveals itself when you go to get the Master Ore:
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-T4QAgXnvxTr)

Master Ore is obtainable:
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR9ycX0WlROGWi)

You can walk all the way South and clip right back into bounds, but interestingly (and perhaps uselessly...) you can Tornado Rod on the stairs to get on top of the ceiling:
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-T5E4rYzg64T)

But the real meat here is that you can reach this switch to drain the water, without actually going in the water:
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-T6eAARRxPGp)

From there, you can backtrack through the dungeon to return to the big center room where the Thief Girl is being held, and complete the dungeon as normal. Yes, Thieve's Hideout is now doable without Flippers ;D

Edit: Apparently most of this OoB stuff was already found by RW (http://www.twitch.tv/rheaultwnage/c/3931062). Even so, I'm just glad that's one less thing preventing Flippers from being skippable.


Swamp Palace

There are 3 problem rooms in the Swamp Palace on the current speedrun route that we need to overcome to do it flipperless.

First room is the very first room in the dungeon. I'm saying it now, mark my words, this will be THE hardest body of water to cross in the entire game flipperless, if it even is possible. There is NOTHING in this room to work with. I tried timing the level pull (which fills the water) with getting hit by bombs to see if getting knocked into the water mid-cutscene might activate Fake Flippers somehow. No dice, bombs get frozen mid-cutscene.
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-UNYckOauIjB)

Second room is the center basement room. Crossing the South East gap doesn't seem possible.
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-UPEsZ_OEsSH)

Third and final problem room is the room where we raise the water level to max and then go back into the room with the Big Key and Boss Door. First issue here is that that switch in the upper left needs to be hit to open the door, but if you hit that switch you're stranded and can't do anything. You'd have to Scoot Fruit/deathwarp your way out of the dungeon and then retrace your steps to that part.
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-UQt4HwKcXge)

Relevant segue: I also found a way to make FAKE FLIPPERS (!!!) work in the treasure dungeon where the Swamp Palace is in the light world. If you're standing in a safe (as in, you can respawn to) area when the water level rises, the game automatically puts you into swimming mode, Flippers be damned.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-UGYAuu8HQsv)

Non-Miiverse pic to prove it since you need to see both top and bottom screens: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/kh7mk589h3tjtnm/AAC2iJzzM2-5R8qI_alsepz5a

I could swear... and perhaps it's just my mind playing tricks on me... but I feel like I saw someone do that a while ago on stream. I can't remember for the life of me, but if it's just my mind playing tricks on me then I'm happy to have discovered it ;).

Going back to that 3rd problem Swamp Palace room: You can merge along the left side and go all the way around the room to reach the platform where you can raise the water the first time (where I am in the pic). Theoretically, doing so will give you fake flippers (conditions are the same, no?) so you can keep going in the room, but without being able to get past those first two problem rooms I can't test that. But even if that does work, after you raise the water all the way you're stranded again.  

We could potentially get through rooms 2 and 3 if a method is found to reach the switch in the Big Key room without raising the water level (and thereby skip... almost the entire dungeon), but that entry foyer is the big problem I don't know how we're gonna bypass.

Anyway, every other room on the current route is doable without Flippers, usually just requiring some slightly out of the way merging, nothing fancy. Oh wait I lied, one fancy thing: After performing early Big Key dash slide, you need to dash slide a second time to get back onto dry land. Here's the setup from the wiki:
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/zeldaspeedruns/app/public/system/images/109/original/Swamp%20Palace%20DashCancel.png?1394990563)



Turtle Rock

I was trying to get crafty to make Fake Flippers work in the water around Turtle Rock. If you exit the merge and drop right into the water the first time you enter the area, the Hilda text prevents Link from drowning (he even does the idle swimming animation) until she's done talking. At which point you promptly drown and return to where you began the merge in Hyrule. Perhaps if a glitch is ever found to let us control Link while she's talking, we can use it here to temporally put Fake Flippers on Link until he gets into Turtle Rock?
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-UK4sdLlcxAV)

I was also able to get on this ledge once with the bombing while jumping off trick. You can walk to the right and jump off to reach the portal not normally accessible Flipperless in the river, which... isn't that useful. I was only able to do it once (no pics, sorry  ???), and I did it actually by throwing the (nice) bomb off the side of the cliff and jumping into it so that it hit me in midair. Idk if that's truly any different to just getting hit by it while it's on the ground, but there you have it, maybe that'll lead to something. I was hoping that perhaps getting onto the highest level of the structure would perhaps lead to being able to dash slide or damage boost or something to at least one of the two alternative entrances/exits to Turtle Rock.
(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-U2uoWZP3p5m)


So, in all, here's what I've been able to do Flipperless. Since skipping Flippers will likely only ever be done on Low% (barring early Lorule Castle being found), some of this info is useless, but still:
- Thieve's Hideout Flippers skip means you can get the last Master Ore for making the Lv3 Master Sword, and you can rescue Osfala to get the Sand Rod.
- Blue Mail is unobtainable for what should be obvious reasons.
- Hylian Shield is unobtainable for the same obvious reasons
- 4 of 5 Bottles are obtainable. Bottle with the note in it is obtainable by the method KingOfHeart posted. No way under the bridge without Flippers yet. Perhaps getting on the ledge nearby and dash sliding diagonally will let you enter the loading zone, and come out already swimming? Seems like a stretch.
- 14 Maiamai are submerged in water and thus unreachable (drowning on top of them doesn't pick them up). 1 Maiamai next the waterfall by the Witch's Hut isn't submerged, but I can't figure out how to get there without Flippers. A total of 85 Maiamai are therefore obtainable Flipperless at the moment.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-T_HsReimIea)
(didn't get Bee Medal because bee damage boosting is useful)

Aaaaaaand that's all I have for now. I don't know WHY I feel so compelled to beat this game without Flippers :P

Gonna just point out that I was trying to think of a way to reach T-Rock Flipperless. Now, I don't have a Flipperless or even a decent file to test on. Can you kill the four enemies attacking the Turtle Flipperless? I couldn't see a way to do it off-hand, but if it can be done, the Turtle Pyramid Scheme might help us out.

You can bomb-boost yourself to an upper area at a fair chunk of places, and I believe the closest one to the Turtle in right at the south. Doesn't seem like you can dash-slide or anything to reach the turtle tho.

Outside of that, nice job on that huge post, LemonKong. I forgot there were more than just the entrance in Swamp Palace to deal with. (Also, Thieves' one, never crossed my mind there's water in that place, since it's such a small thing)


Nice job on Fake Flippers btw. While right now it's not really useful (Flipperless Treasure room? :P), it at least shows Fake Flippers are a thing, and there might, just MIGHT come something that allows us free reign over it.

I just hope if/when flipperless happens, it'll be doable on low%, because that thing needs to get even worse than it already is. :D So many things are getting close to being skipped (Doesn't mean it'll ever happen tho)

I can do the two easy ones but the third is giving me trouble... I can sword beam kill two of them from the dock but I don't know if the other two can be killed the same way (does the sword beam persist long after it goes offscreen?) That'll be the deciding factor, for now. Hm, oh, just had a thought: enemies in this game can hit each other... might be able to get one of them to kill the other by moving Link around...?

Even with that though, I don't know if the stacked turtles will really help. I was observing their swimming patterns yesterday and... yeah they go now where helpful really, not even anywhere that looks like they could be reached with a way too precise TAS level damage boost  :-\


Thanks! ;D


It needs to happen. That glitch can't possibly exist and have zero use :-\

Oh, and I found one more thing just now that feels like it should have some huge use... but I can't think of one off the top of my head:

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-VUh8mt6SCa9)

^ Use animation storage to get on top of the switch, stand on the side handle you want to use, and move downward while firing off the Hookshot. The timing's not terrible, and this lets you activate these switches without any solid ground beneath you. I'm really hoping there's a practical application for this somewhere (possibly with other switches/items?), but I can't seem to find one as to get on top of those switches you need to be at whatever water level they're already at, and therefore you could just activate it normally.

So you can pull while in mid air?
What happens if you don't pull? Will you drown or swim?

If you don't pull or let go or anything you just kinda stay put, nothing special really. I can't test what having Flippers does/doesn't have with this since I can't get a Flipperless Link into the dungeon (damn first room...).

I did try changing my equipped items while "hooked" onto the switch and not really doing anything. Any changes you make are immediately reverted when you close the items menu (for both X and Y buttons).

Really good finds Lemon!  ;D I was actually trying to find a flipperless way past that 1st room in Swamp Palace last night and couldn't get anything out of it either. Same goes for Turtle Rock. The entrances are so far away from land that Damage Boosts don't get you close enough.

But I'm sure if we keep trying hard enough we can find something!

I studied the area around Swamp palace, and if there's a way to give you an extra boost, the best way in would be on the north east side.
You'd have to get on the ledge, and leap to get inside the alternate exit(the one with the farieies) for the dungeon.

If you get 0 leaping, then you'd have to possibly bomb jump at the very south west side, and leap onto the turtle. (Just try it from the point where you activated the turtle for now)

And Flipperless T-Rock is in, by AJC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ViZJurFjVE

New way for Fake Flippers then.

How does he get boots without picking up the flippers? I thought you could only trigger the thief guy by handing in the shiny stone?

You trigger thief guy by going to the waterfalls and bumping into him there (This is also what triggers the stone at the shop)

Ahh just tried it. I thought you had to hand in the stone to allow you to get boots. This makes things easier. :)

This really is a great find, it's nice how one small discovery opens up so many doors. so it seems we only need to work out a way through water palace. Incredible.

Can you explain what you did in that video?
What caused you to swim in that case? Was it because it could not track your last point?

Can this same trick be used in the lightworld? Seems easier since an ice rod would not be required.

Last point after a transition is where you transitioned. That can be seen from other OoB tricks, like old Rosso's ore mine skip.
Apparently, since you transitioned from the water, the game thinks you have flippers already.

This trick can theoretically be used everywhere. I don't know if you can get over the walls in Hyrule though, I don't remember.

https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACaU2yRh3ZauA

Could we some how bomb rod onto the wall here? You could bypass raising the water in the second room of water palace if we could work it out.

Ok wow, great find! The Flipperless dream is real 8)

I'm trying to replicate it on my file and having some difficulties, mostly because it's difficult to tell from the camera angle where Link is standing when he dashes. Also: is it just a dash, or a dash slide?

I've been failing this trick a few times now and that leads to Link drowning infinitely unfortunately... :-\

KingofHeart, I didn't find this, AJC did. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough about that. (Hah, me finding something useful? :P)

Wastedweek, that wouldn't work, I don't think. That area isn't part of Swamp Palace proper. Entering the door loads up a new area, so even if you got on top, it's probably bring you in the normal door you always enter in with. If it did work, however, there would be little to stop us from, I guess, skipping Big Bomb AND the entire Swamp Palace, parring the boss.

KingOfHeart: It's possible to do it in Hyrule as well. But I consider the bomb boost (with normal bombs, at least) harder than the crow boost + "bergshot" =p

Wastedweek: bombrod only works to get higher in a dungeon. Usually on dungeons that load floors dynamically; only TR BK skip is the exception, with its strange railings. No position change on the other axes.

LemonKing: Yeah, apparently, you need to get the transition the same time you drown. After I got the bomb boost, I tried dashing, but was too close to the wall, and drowned to death too.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-iTU8Ettyilc)

Got it to work. I'm trying to find a consistent setup at the moment, will take a picture when I find something I'm happy with.

This trick also means that we can theoretically grab some of those Maiamais that were out of reach (however useless a point that is to make).

If the game thinks you have flippers at some points... That means in theory, if you somehow triggered a transaction to lorule or from lorule to Hyrule,
odds are the game will think you have the merge ability.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-igkMB_xkcAb)

Setup. Doesn't require any dash sliding, and I have Link angled down-left using an item. Just dashing off makes it work. Note that after the screen transition, Link will drown once and then respawn in swimming mode (so don't panic thinking you did it wrong).

I'd really love to figure out the timings for the bombs.
I keep having to use birds & bees because I can't get the bomb timing down no matter how many times I try. :(

How did he get up on the torch? Dash slide?

Just takes practice I guess. Sometimes I get it 4 or 5 times in a row and others I can't seem to get it until Link is dead. Try using the upgraded bombs to get the hang of it.

Actually yeah, how did he get up there? I haven't played around in that room at all because I assumed the dungeon worked like Roadagain was saying.

Also, for a second I thought these fake flippers would let us get to the bottle under the bridge. Turns out going under there with fake flippers makes Link immediately drop through the void, and then drown infinitely. I've only tried it once, since bomb boosting onto that particular ledge hasn't been cooperating with me.

Just merge around :/ nothing special unfortunatly.

So you fake flippers into it?
Does the same thing happen if you dash fall under the bridge instead?

So something I was thinking about just now was that really it isn't the boots at all that make Fake Flippers work, it's that they help you easily get to the right position during the screen transition to activate the Flippers. Theoretically, other methods should exist in place of the boots to do the same thing.

I suspect a technique I'm gonna call Bomb Diving exists, where you have Link jump off a ledge where he "hops" and then the damage from the bomb blast will alter the angle of his trajectory enough to put him in the sweet spot to activate FF. Will need some testing.


Oh, duh =P. Lol I never noticed you could merge there.


Still not sure, that ledge does NOT want to cooperate with me today :-\

Edit: So found slight confirmation of what I was saying above. Placing a bomb below and to the right of Link, and then jumping off the ledge at the exact right time got Link to appear standing here beyond the portion where he'd be forced to "hop", meaning you can dash directly off it at any angle you want. I haven't yet found the right angle to activate FF, but it seems like with a bit more trial and error I will have it. Unfortunately this trick at the screen transition is punishing if you do it wrong--you can make Link infinitely drown if he gets blasted too far out.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-jCDIEpi9Ywu)

Not too useful, but here's an early chest at the Zora's place.
Bomb leaping is so much easier, when you can place the bomb on a higher ledge. :)

If you leap off, you can actually walk on the big rocks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khrKsRHsgF8

edit: You got yourself stuck on that tiny ledge. Can you walk/dash west now?

Also, is it possible to dash into a door way with water? Seems unlikely, but when a room is flooded, maybe you can dash through a doorway to not drown in the next room.

Yeah, just gotta be careful not to fall off and/or clip back in "bounds" or whatever you want to call it.

It is possible to dash from a high ledge into the room with the Blue Mail, I actually tested in last night because I had the same idea.

Also, you guys know the warp pads in Turtle Rock? Turns out you can bomb rod underneath some of them to activate them. You spawn at the other one, but you're below it and fall into the void, but then you respawn back ontop of it and it automatically spawns you back on the warp pad you initially bomb rodded (except now you're on top). Not sure if there are too many places for use, but yeah.

Found what I think is a *new* bomb boost location south of dark palace, going to play around near by and see if it leads to anything. Screenshot below. I'm pretty happy with this boost, I've been trying it for weeks, and thought it was impossible. :)

https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAAABUaW_BTlQfQ

*Edit* so you can walk north all along the green wall and drop down by dark palace. Not a very fast route as the Bomb Boost isn't easy.

*2nd edit*

So I've just tried it again and this time when I transitioned north towards the dark palace I came out through the archway. I'm guessing when you transition screens if your too far left you come out through the arch.

nice find, Wastedweek. I recall I tried this months back, but gave up as it seemed a diagonal spot like that wouldn't work.

I did get (And actually can do it semi-reliably now), but I don't understand how you reach the Dark Palace area without coming out of the arc.

Yeah, this bit I'm very intrigued about. It makes sense that there might be a (large?) loading zone that when entered spawns you at the arch in the maze, but for the game to actually keep those two sections of the map joined such that you can walk between them regardless is weird.

(gives me slight hope that the room before entering Swamp Palace works the same way =P)

I've given up trying to reproduce it now, I don't know if I was just lucky the first time, I was stood fairly close to the archway when I did it, but not quite touching. I can't remember the positioning exactly as I was expecting to just go OOB. :/ either way it's a slow route into DP.

Hi everyone!

I've been reading this topic since this game was released. And always when I read about new glitch and stuff. My hopes for a good zelda game is still up. I hope Nintendo does same job with new WiiU zelda than with this one. I mean it can have alot of glitches and skips (I'm looking at you SS).

Anyway! What I wanted to say is. Great job everyone! I really love how this game is teared to pieces. Keep up the good work and keep going! This game is getting better and better all the time. Thanks to you guys! :)

I was just looking through the Any% route , and found a little thing whilst venturing throughout the Skull Woods:
(http://i.imgur.com/ilUcxgF.jpg)

Seres's Portrait is in the same area (loading-wise) as the rest of Skull Woods, as demonstrated by Link throwing a bomb. This means that, if we could somehow get past that TINY little piece of terrain that separates Link and the sage, we would be making great progress on optimizing ALBW running. I was trying to figure out how to do so, therefore I attempted to lure a nearby monster so that I could try a few things out (just kept stunning and moving it).
(http://i.imgur.com/dKi5h8o.jpg)

Could I get some help figuring out how to do this? Any feedback on the find would be nice.

Skull skip is one of the skips people have been trying pretty much since the game came out. The only OoB-ish area we could get was clipping inside the pillar with the portal.

If you got MLG clipping skills, you can get onto of the pillar.
Once ontop(going by memory here), if you walk in almost any direction(you got some room though) you'll fall straight down.
There is no leaping.
You might be able to dash off.



So far only enemies that move towards you have some squeezing use.
A new glitch will have to be discovered to skip this whole area of skull woods.

I don't think anyone's been able to get on top. The closest I got is going to the left half and using t-rod, and it looks like it will land on top, but it just slides down.

I have, you'll just have to take my word sadly.

Also, it's not that hard to get yourself to stay middle for a few pixels inside if you take it super slow. The trickiest part is just timing the slide off from the center area.
Either way, based on the amount of failing, I don't believe a single speedruner could do it due the sheer perfection in a real run.

Going back to this, I played around with it a bit more and found that it's actually a far more effective method of bomb boosting for getting onto ledges that involve Link jumping left or right (as in, the ledge runs up and down). All I really do now is pick up a bomb (must be Nice Bombs), wait for it to turn red, count to three in my head, toss, and jam left/right and slightly down/up. It's consistent for me I wanna say... slightly better than 1 in 3 tries.

(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-42pMNevVxjO)

And... since it's suddenly become easier for me to get onto ledges, I've taken the time to catalog a few setups to activate FF for future reference.

https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-4hgMPx1groW
^Lake Hylia

https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-4ptoJA6-U4n
^Turtle Rock. I now prefer this setup to the old one because it involves getting on a ledge running North/South

https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-4sgUCvPHW25
^This one's tricky, and a bit hard to explain. So, the very bottom left most part of the ledge has an invisible wall of sorts that you need to creep along the left side off to avoid getting pushed right. Since the ledge doesn't extend very far from the screen transition point, I had to jam Link as far over the edge as possible to find a setup that works. Good news is that if you fall in Link will respawn on the ledge for whatever reason.

https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzR-4uTkj_Wefwk
^Also tricky, and similar to my attempt before at using bombs to push you into the sweet spot to activate FF (except I actually found a working setup for this spot). In this pic, I bomb boosted onto the ledge and used my positioning there to walk around the invisible barrier of sorts that forces Link "inbound", and that you would normally use to hop over the edge.

Not that anyone will ever care (still =P) about Maiamais in a category where you don't get Flippers, but these setups let me pick up 7 more Maiamai thought unreachable, bringing the total to 92. The 8 I can't reach are located in bodies of water not connected to a screen transition.

Edit: Typo.

I'm really impressed by all the finds that have happened in the last few days  ;D I never would have thought TR flipperless would have been possible.  

I tried messing around in Swamp Palace but goddamn, that first room just might be impossible to pass. I can't think of a single thing that would work there. But if someone actually manages to find something there, then congrats :D

About the skull portal: you can't t-rod on top if your in the exact middle because of the ceiling above you. Any other place inside the pillar just pushes you outside cause of some invisible wall. Even if it was possible to get on top, the Snap Dragons ruin it by being the most annoying enemy to get you to clip inside. Something about their shape makes the clip pixel perfect so it would be really crappy in a run.

Agreed, this room seems impossible to break, there's not even any small observations I've made which could lead to something :/ The only things I've noticed in the room are that the Hookshot poles make a 'connect' sound when you Spin, and that if you dash to the outside edge of a door frame you can rebound. That. Is. It.

Lemon, that method does seem easier when your trying the jump left/right. Nice find.

Edit. Just a thought lemon, have you noticd any noticeable change in height to the boost when you throw a bomb? I can't pull this off consistently enough yet to compare. I'm finding the positioning more difficult.

Yeah, that first room... sigh...


It's tough to say, since it happens so fast. I'm not sure if it's easier because it's pushing you higher or simply if it's more forgiving with the way Link interacts with the hitbox. If it's the former, idk if it could be used anywhere to get onto especially high ledges.

I'm hoping you can reach higher ledges seeing as how bomb boosting when the bomb is slightly higher is significantly easier. I can't for the life of me reproduce your bomb jump now, I did it the first few times but I'm finding it more difficult, link seems to stall after I throw the bomb so I always jump off the ledge late. :( any tips?