Tricks/Glitches/Timesavers topic

[KingOfHeart]

In a speed run, you would skip the blue mail. It's not about stress, it's about time saving.

[kirbymastah]

well technically if you're going with purely time-saving, you wouldn't go for any safety strats <_< even the top players have safe/backup strats since not everything is ever going to go perfectly. Plus it'll be good for newer runners to start with easier strats (aka blue+red mail for example)

[Teague]

In a speed run, you would skip the blue mail. It's not about stress, it's about time saving.

Not at all, there are many places you should get hit by enemies because it's faster but you simply don't have the hearts to do this.

[kirbymastah]

Anyways, minor optimizations time!

How does everyone switch their X/Y items? This is what I personally do and I'm pretty sure is the fastest way.

1. Press SELECT (don't tap ITEM); this is about .2-.3 seconds faster than using the touch screen to open up the item menu because if you use the touch screen, there's an extra short animation of the item button being "tapped"
2. Use my left thumb to tap the item I want to equip, and my right thumb over the face buttons
3. Use my right thumb to immediately press X/Y (this is faster than dragging with the touch screen)
4. Use my right thumb to immediately press B to exit

This is faster than using the touch screen to open up the menu, as well as dragging items which is slow. Doesn't save much time, but considering how much you open up the item menu to change items, it adds up to several seconds in the long run. Just wanted to share that with you all; I still need to break the habit of using the touch screen to open the menu rather than pressing select...

[RheaultWnage]

1. Press SELECT (don't tap ITEM); this is about .2-.3 seconds faster than using the touch screen to open up the item menu because if you use the touch screen, there's an extra short animation of the item button being "tapped"

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I still need to break the habit of using the touch screen to open the menu rather than pressing select...

Link can still walk during that little "down time" from using the touch screen. I usually bring it up in the middle of an easy room, or while I am dashing.

Items with right thumb while moving
DPad with left thumb
X/Y/B with right thumb
Stick with left thumb

It seems pressing Select with left thumb would end up in lost movement frames, unless you bring the menu up right after entering a new room or something. I might give your "select items with left thumb" method a try though, instead of the DPad.

While we're at it, for Irene warps I do:

Bell with left thumb
Location with left thumb
Spam A with right thumb

[Hornlitz]

For me:
Items with right thumb while moving
Drag item to X/Y button (probably slow but it's just what I do...)
Items button again with right thumb

And for Irene's Bell:
Bell button with right thumb
Tap the bird statue repeatedly with my right thumb (double tapping the statue works the same as pressing A)
Quickly move my fingers back to the A/B buttons to mash through the text

I mostly just don't use my left thumb for anything because it's reserved for the Circle Pad. I don't want to lose any time due to my thumb not being on the circle pad, so my thumb rarely leaves it.

[kirbymastah]

So probalby using right thumb on select would be better, since you can keep your left thumb on the circle pad? It'll be uncomfortable but hey, if it's faster, you gotta do it

Also yes, I'm sure tapping the item is faster than using the d-pad (unless you only have to move it once, for example right when you get bow, you can just d-pad down then press Y; but I'd rather just tap, it's easier.)

For Irene's Bell, i'm pretty sure it's fastest that after you tap the bell icon, you tap the weather vane with your left thumb while mashing A with your right thumb; i'm sure it's frames faster than double tapping the weather vane. Then since you're already mashing A, you can mash through the Irene text.

EDIT: Basically what rheault said (I didn't fully read his post... oops =x). The idea is that right after tapping bell, I'm mashing A while the map is brought up, then I tap the weather vane with my left thumb and it'll 'instantly' select it since I'm mashing A with my right thumb.

TOUCH SCREEN OPTIMIZATIONS FOR THE WIN.

[Roadagain]

I recall someone mentioned it before, but I couldn't find the post, but Desert Palace, in the room you need to hit the four switches and then go down past a few Beamos. It was mentioned that if you align yourself with one of the switches, you can dash down, hit the wall right next to the door and bounce off the lasers.

I misaligned myself a little bit, and I actually directly dashed through the door while taking the hit from the Beamos. If you can do that, you save a pitifully minimal amount of time.

[RheaultWnage]

I misaligned myself a little bit, and I actually directly dashed through the door while taking the hit from the Beamos. If you can do that, you save a pitifully minimal amount of time.

I second this. Something similar happened to me in my PB and I forgot to mention it here. I was too far right, ended up being aligned with the doorframe instead of the wall and Link "pushed" himself right into the doorway instead of left into the wall. I didn't get hit by the Beamos though. I'd say getting straight into the doorway saves about 1 second over bonking on the wall. (lol)

So probalby using right thumb on select would be better, since you can keep your left thumb on the circle pad? It'll be uncomfortable but hey, if it's faster, you gotta do it

I haven't tried using Select to bring up the Items screen, but if it pops up instantly (unlike the half second or so it takes with the touch screen), then it wouldn't matter if you're moving or not, because you won't lose frames like you would with the touch screen.

So, the way I see it, as long as you make use of your method properly, Select or Touch Screen doesn't matter. And yes, pressing Select with the right thumb must feel weird haha.

[kirbymastah]

Well I would say if you press select with your right thumb, it's the fastest. You won't lose frames from letting go of the analog circle pad, and you won't have that delay of "Item" being touched as well; of course, this assumes you tap the item immediately when the menu appears, which is harder than it sounds. But hey, frames matter.

(goes off to practice it)

[Anwonu]

So, a little time saver in the sages room: you can move before the game lets you by pressing A after the talking. This is what caused many people to move before the warp completes, thus delaying it. So, the ideal way is to press A at the right time and move to the warp. The time is around the time the beam starts appearing on the warp.

[Thomas]

Not sure if anyone has found this stuff, please tell me if anyone knows who came up with it
I found a really big OoB wile expanding on the thing Faschz found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKZCOqmAea4
If you touch a screen transition trigger even while in the air; link will move in the direction of the other screen only falling once the transition is over.
To set this up, I move from this spot: http://i.imgur.com/ituaITn.jpg all the way to the left until your shadow is offscreen http://i.imgur.com/vyUkh0s.jpg then walk downwards until the screen starts to shift.
Then while the screen is moving, hold up on the stick to keep link from sliding down the cliff.
If you do it right you can move around in a huge area OoB. Keep yourself on the edge of the cliff and keep moving along the screens
http://i.imgur.com/l9PoOC4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hNI7dYQ.jpg
Follow the cliff up and around until you get here: http://i.imgur.com/UQB4oEJ.jpg
then move down until link is offscreen again: http://i.imgur.com/38BJ3e7.jpg
Face right then dash (or walk, dashing is easier) that will get you across the gap: http://i.imgur.com/E0rm8oU.jpg
Then you can run across the top of a few screens before hitting a wall.
This doesn't seem useful yet, but there are two spots that might have something cool.
http://i.imgur.com/PiSXmAu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XO4fhEF.jpg
In these two spots the screen transitions can take you through a wall, where you will just fall outside the map.
However you have one frame to do something before the game knows you have fallen; so you can clip into the wall then tornado rod on the first frame, etc.
I found a couple of other glitches that would let you merge inverted, as in merging to the outside of a wall instead of the inside. But I haven't found a way to duplicate them.

[mzxrules]

Thomas, fun fact: You can take screenshots via Miiverse. Also that looks pretty amazing.

[KingOfHeart]

Very interesting.

Hey, can someone get one screen above the desert temple/swamp and transition south?
If so, you could skip the entire desert dungeon.

This could also be used to maybe get across Dark World borders.. which would help if we ever find a way into the DarkWorld early. (Theory of the kissing lady always having a portal in her house.)

[corneliab]

I spent some time with Thomas' finding earlier and posted a slew of images on Miiverse

Weird temporary perspective thing:
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADRUqFo2k6ZwA
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAAAYUKlFKqhhLg

Sniping a dude:
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADMUKlfmRCUew

Merging with an invisible wall:
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAABnUYnd247pFw

Enemy closeups (achieved by falling into the void along with some planning)
Octorock:
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADMUKlfmPvAvw
Archer guy (very proud of this shot)
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAABnUYnd27YY5A

Very interesting.

Hey, can someone get one screen above the desert temple/swamp and transition south?
If so, you could skip the entire desert dungeon.

Even if you could reach the appropriate ledges I don't think this will work. After spending some time on those eastern cliffs it seems like you need to take advantage of a proper transition to scroll through the screens. There aren't any transitions period between the desert/swamp and upper areas, so trying to go between them would probably just make you fall through the floor.