WW Tricks and Glitches Discussion

[Phazon]

What happens when you hit PG with a regular sword? Does he flinch as if he was hit, but takes no damage or does nothing happen at all?

[KlydeStorm]

Nothing happens when you hit him with the Hero's Sword. It can't even reflect his blasts back at him.

Every other item was tested against him, too. Nothing works. Not even a Deku Stick.

[bluephantom340]

I just found this today, Moving while carrying heavy objects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FhWLYDUyKw

It gives me new idea. Maybe by letting end a forest water timer at the same time you're talking to someone or opening a chest or a door, it will have interresting consequences like unloaded rooms or riching unloaded area.

Very nice.

[Razor]

I'm pretty sure the timer is paused when you talk to someone. If not you could get in a body of water, talk to KoRL and never drown, which would make early FF2 possible.

EDIT:

@Razor Actually I never even thought about moving with heavy objects lol. I'm not saying what you're planning isn't possible. Anything is possible. I'm just saying, how likely is it that you're going to find what you need for your theories? I'd love for you to find a big break in WW and I wish you good luck, but I'm still sceptical. Sorry.

As for the M&C problem. For now I think we should assume that we'd get the Bow from ToG. 5 minutes to get the Bow is the least of our worries.

I like the increase in your enthusiasm. The reason why we all think this is impossible is because the glitch knowledge we have in that area is very low. It's like before the DoT skip in OoT, no one would have ever thought it possible to skip all child dungeons.

-Find a way to escape M&C Isles after getting Fire/Ice Arrows by diving into it. Fire/Ice Arrows replaces the regular Bow as a completely different item, and will work just like the bow.

What items does the fire/ice arrows replace the regular bow with? And/or what is the items icon? Just curious.

[KlydeStorm]

What items does the fire/ice arrows replace the regular bow with? And/or what is the items icon? Just curious.

It replaces the regular Bow with the Fire/Ice Bow.

Normally, you need the Bow to get the Ballad of Gales to get the Fire/Ice Bow.

And I assume it would work the same with Light Arrows replacing the Fire/Ice Bow with Fire/Ice/Light Bow, as to get the Light Arrows you need the Fire/Ice Bow to get that far.

[MrSparkle]

So, BoG is the test for if you can get I / F arrows? It would have to be more, becuase then we would just get arrows then get BoG. Having the MS would make sence as a trigger. Another way of programing that would be a check for if you don't have the Hero Sword...

[Phazon]

You think swordless glitch could actually be useful?

[Razor]

You think swordless glitch could actually be useful?

Exactly what I was thinking. I'm sure that there's some way that Ani's swordless link glitch could be useful, but it just needs a good spot to be incorparated into a speedrun. I've been wondering about that for a while.

[KlydeStorm]

So, BoG is the test for if you can get I / F arrows? It would have to be more, becuase then we would just get arrows then get BoG. Having the MS would make sence as a trigger. Another way of programing that would be a check for if you don't have the Hero Sword...

Ballad of Gales is not the trigger at all. I'm not sure where you got that.

The trigger for being able to get them is completing FF2. The reason we need Ballad of Gales is to escape M&C. If you dive under it and activate the scene, your boat appears with you in the scene, and is stuck inside M&C. Without Ballad of Gales, you're stuck for good.

[bluephantom340]

Exactly what I was thinking. I'm sure that there's some way that Ani's swordless link glitch could be useful, but it just needs a good spot to be incorparated into a speedrun. I've been wondering about that for a while.

I've confirmed about 5 months ago that Swordless glitch isn't useful at all. I've gotten up to the master sword swordless and nothing weird happens. Just like if you were beating the game normally. Also FYI, Ani didn't find that trick. Unreal did IIRC.

[AniMeowzerz]

Yes, it was Unreal who discovered it, I just documented it on video + played with some of it.

[Phazon]

I have to admit, my knowledge on the swordless glitch is close to nothing. I may have to watch Ani's vid for like the 5th time and try to actually remember stuff x_X.

Can you get into M&C without BoG? I mean, if you warp there are you just warped to a room that isn't there if you try to get in from the outside of the island, maybe because the programmers assumed that getting in without BoG was impossible?

[MrSparkle]

Normally, you need the Bow to get the Ballad of Gales to get the Fire/Ice Bow.

Thats where I got it. Either way, I was just using it as a platform to mention the random idea I had as i read the new posts. But yeah, I forgot you do ff2 before IF arrows...

[KlydeStorm]

Can you get into M&C without BoG? I mean, if you warp there are you just warped to a room that isn't there if you try to get in from the outside of the island, maybe because the programmers assumed that getting in without BoG was impossible?

Well, if you read what I've been posting, it'd be clear...

You can get in without BoG by WW Diving. However, you cannot get out without BoG. The scene activates just fine, everything goes accordingly.

[MrSparkle]

It's official, ww low% is possible, now. And they say its hopeless, thats a major accomplishment...