WW Tricks and Glitches Discussion

[Phazon]

It's all very well proposing a theory like that, but normally theories have some kind of ground to work on. To say you'll somehow do this and somehow do that is meaningless, because without having specific ideas for techniques used to do them, your theories are about as solid as me saying "I'm going to somehow wrong warp from Grandma's house to the Ganon battle with Light Arrows and fully powered MS, but I don't know how yet". As much as what you're proposing would be great for speedrunning Wind Waker, you have to be realistic and work with the mechanics of the game; otherwise you're just making up theories that'll never work. The foundation of your theory is an EMS with no input on how it's going to work and on top of that you have trial skips and a Puppet Ganon skip, which several players have tried and got nowhere with.

It's great that you want to help break this game and I hate to sound like I'm just shooting down all your ideas, but I think you'd be much more help if you just kept your ideas realistic and work with what we have now.

[Majora MIM]

Ok, I found a lot of dive spot here and there but I can't dive deep. I stay splashing on the surface like in the Kazooie's Windfall Island video.
So I just wanted to know, what are the conditions to dive deeper?

[Phazon]

Where have you been diving?

[Majora MIM]

Earth and wind island, all of the dice island (but we don't care and there's no use).

Entrering earth temple by diving could lead to bracelet skip.

[bluephantom340]

Earth and wind island, all of the dice island (but we don't care and there's no use).

Entrering earth temple by diving could lead to bracelet skip.

I was SO but I mean SO close for skipping bracelet skip. I dived under there but the loading zone is a bit more to the top and we cant reach it. I forgot to put in on video but i think ill do it sooner or later.

[KlydeStorm]

Your upgrade theory, it doesn't work for Bombs, so I doubt it's going to work for Arrows.

[Majora MIM]

I was SO but I mean SO close for skipping bracelet skip. I dived under there but the loading zone is a bit more to the top and we cant reach it. I forgot to put in on video but i think ill do it sooner or later.

I still want to know how to dive deeper.
Maybe there's still a way using Tingle's bomb, or Tingle's baloon...

[Phazon]

You still need the bracelets to get to SL, so you'd need to find a way to skip that too. I think you need it for the 101 rupee trick too, but that's not mandatory.

[MrSparkle]

The chart you get in the 101 (theres more than one, but there is a faster one, do the other one only once) grotto is.

[Majora MIM]

I just found this today, Moving while carrying heavy objects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FhWLYDUyKw

It gives me new idea. Maybe by letting end a forest water timer at the same time you're talking to someone or opening a chest or a door, it will have interresting consequences like unloaded rooms or riching unloaded area.

[Razor]

I just found this today, Moving while carrying heavy objects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FhWLYDUyKw

It gives me new idea. Maybe by letting end a forest water timer at the same time you're talking to someone or opening a chest or a door, it will have interresting consequences like unloaded rooms or riching unloaded area.

Sounds practical and very useful. Also, I like you're new icon.
@Phazon
I do have an idea of how to get my theory to work and always have. I haven't told anyone about it, however, because I don't need people to say,"That's not going to work." Most of us didn't think that you could move while lifting heavy objects, but MajoraMIM proved that possible.
@Klyde
Never say never.

[Majora MIM]

O_o how the hell do you kill PG without MS?
And don't we need the skull hammer in wind temple. (and to enter wind temple to)?


trust in the forest water, it will lead us to victory

Anyway, to skip helmaroc king, I'm thinking of placing a bomb near the spike wall, and go on the side spike. Then jump+deku leaf and get damage boost. I've been able to climb another wall of almost the same height by the same method in FF.

Tingle doesn't follow you in boss battle but even if he would, I'm almost sure we can't use tingle's baloon in FF. My original plan was to use tingle's baloon from side spike then jumpslash from air with damage boost to get on the spike wall.

[Phazon]

I'm pretty sure the timer is paused when you talk to someone. If not you could get in a body of water, talk to KoRL and never drown, which would make early FF2 possible.

EDIT:

@Razor Actually I never even thought about moving with heavy objects lol. I'm not saying what you're planning isn't possible. Anything is possible. I'm just saying, how likely is it that you're going to find what you need for your theories? I'd love for you to find a big break in WW and I wish you good luck, but I'm still sceptical. Sorry.

As for the M&C problem. For now I think we should assume that we'd get the Bow from ToG. 5 minutes to get the Bow is the least of our worries.

An idea that I'm pretty sure won't work, but it doesn't hurt to test. Try hitting PG after drinking soup.

Can't you get into the Wind Temple with Power Bracelets?

[Majora MIM]

No, you need hammer skull to get in the wind temple. Even if we can clip through, we'll still need it inside the temple...

[KlydeStorm]

O_o how the hell do you kill PG without MS?
And don't we need the skull hammer in wind temple. (and to enter wind temple to)?

1: You don't.
2: You don't need it INSIDE the Temple, if I remember right. Just for the one room with the Hookshot, but you can S&Q to get out.

Anyhow, EMS isn't going to happen. Too many invisible walls blocking us off.