Any% segmented run (goal of sub-1 hour)

[ING-X]

hm, well the only thing inaccurate i can see in your timing is that you took WAY too long to set up the rock clip. there's a strat to set it up that takes like 2 seconds that i discovered. you took about 10 seconds longer than i do to set up the rock clip.

so in that case, even if your calculations are correct (which i think they are actually), the bean route can still save around 10 seconds on console (maybe even more since the megaflip bridge skip is probably a bit faster than hookshot bridge skip). still not enough for you to have to restart your run, but i'm still going to keep going with my run on the bean route. who knows, maybe i'll finish before the end of 2010

[Runnerguy2489]

True, I was aware of this and decided to take my time with that trick, since I most likely would in a console run too, especially one of this length. Additionally, the clip through the rocks seemed a bit slow. There were a few spots where I savestated and it makes it a bit slower too.

Naturally in a segment of a length of 17:50, even 10 seconds of mistakes is not that much. If the "true" length is 17:40, then a 17:50 is great. You'd be hard pressed to not have 10 seconds of errors.

Good luck with your run if you do this. Maybe you'll get segment 4 before the end of 2010. I know I wouldn't, lol.

[ING-X]

Well, since this bean route appears to be no faster than the current any% route I'm just going to do MST segmented instead. I don't feel like doing that hellish segment anyway. ^_^

[RingRush]

Ing, can you test the MST segged route before you go along with it? I already know of a minor bomb-route mistake in it (forgetting to allocate bombs for ground jumps in SFM), but I want to hear if there is more before fixing it. My route is near the bottom of the MST segged topic.

Also keep in mind that you have to play on GC, since without bottle, the DC oob hover saves a significant ammount of time. If you don't play on GC, just tell me and I can fix up the route and use those bombs/chus elsewhere.

[ING-X]

well i've played through the mst segged route before, and i didn't really see any problems. obviously i'll play on gc, but i'm not doing ess forest escape (it doesn't save all that much time anyway), and i'll probably have to take some time to get used to gc again before i start the run.

[RingRush]

The main issue is bomb counts, the route should be solid itself. It is just way too easy to forget to allocate a bomb somewhere, and you don't want to be stuck needing 2 bombs in a place with no nearby drops.

Also, has anyone ever tested the megaflip into explosion trick for the DC hover? It may reduce one bomb there, which would save a few seconds.

[ING-X]

hm, idk, but let's continue this conversation in the mst seg'd topic as not to derail this one.

[Elminster45]

Aww, come on. I love watching topics get derailed.

[ING-X]

Ok, well I recently came to the conclusion that the bean route is potentially ~10 seconds faster if we can luck-manipulate 2 bomb drops from the grass in segment 8 (therefore cancelling out the 3-bomb disadvantage). The question is if this is feasible.

In segment 7, we already have to luck-manipulate 2 bomb drops, and getting that right is such an unlikely event that RG only got it right twice in 4 hours of playing. Manipulating 2 bomb drops here from the same set of grass, then getting the magic quick text (which is a frame perfect trick), AND hitting that lag-filled superslide through the falling rocks doesn't seem feasible in any console run.

What do you guys think?

[Zero]

I got 3 bomb drops off the graveyard grass.


Get wrecked. BTW,


BEANS

[aleckermit]

I got 3 bomb drops off the graveyard grass.


Get wrecked. BTW,


BEANS

I've had 5 drop before.

[mysticremen11]

I've had 5 drop before.

oh snap aleck burnt you zero

[Zero]

oh snap aleck burnt you zero

D:

[ING-X]

I'm talking about the grass in LW, not the graveyard -.-

[Pokey]

I'm talking about the grass in LW, not the graveyard -.-

Why couldn't you get 5 bomb dropd from those 3 bushes? Step yo game up.