MST Route Discussion

[TaylorTotFTW]

This is the Official OoT 3DS NG+ MST Route, last updated 9/29/12.

http://pastebin.com/EAUQwWM9 (Thanks Ben)


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So, I was just thinking about this today, as I want to start running it. I figured I should make this topic to discuss routing (which is really confusing by the way   ).

Since DoT skip has not yet been discovered yet, that means that (obviously) we have to do all 3 child dungeons as child. I still see the order of this as up to debate, since deku obviously isn't required to be completed first, but I don't see how bombs/boomerang would make deku that much faster. Also, I heard BotW chus early doesn't work anymore (?) and the wrong warp to ganons castle to get chus wouldn't work either, so there's that. Right now, I don't see a problem with just going in normal child dungeon order. In terms of adult, I think  shadow, forest, ice/water, fire, then spirit would be alright. Also, something else to consider is MST NG+, if that would really help at all. Anywhore, insight/routing suggestions would be much appreciated.

Disclaimer, I might have no idea what the fuck I'm on about.

[Nook]

You can set Farore's Wind at Temple of Time -> Outside Temple of Time | Fire Temple Bluewarp, and warp to the Door of Time opened before having all 3 stones, so conceivably you could finish child dungeons as an adult

[TaylorTotFTW]

Yeah, but in order to even get to the fire temple blue warp you need to beat the fire temple, which has to happen as adult, which requires all 3 stones. Unless we could use another blue warp?

[Nook]

Hammer NG+ lets you beat it as child Link. Maxx has a YouTube video of it

[TaylorTotFTW]

Yeah, but we would have to get bombs, sling (i think) and like 2+ bottles with faeries for the heat timer. For what? Deku and Jabu as adult don't significantly save that much time.

[gamestabled]

I heard BotW chus early doesn't work anymore (?) and the wrong warp to ganons castle to get chus wouldn't work either,

The only reason we cant get early wellchus is because we cant clip oob. Being in ganon's as child link seems to always crash the game. If you found a fix for either of these...good job heres a milkshake.

I would think about the child spirit possibility on this route. I dont think we have an adult gate skip on this version, but I may be wrong.
Also your gonna need to think a bit more about dungeons like water temple where you cant just hover over the boss door as on console.

[TaylorTotFTW]

I don't have a problem with

Deku
DC
Jabu
Child Spirit
(Go adult)
Shadow
Forest
Water
Fire
Adult Spirit

I'm kind of iffy on the last ones, as I don't know what the exact strats would be, but this seems like a good outline considering there are no major sequence breaks besides Shadow early and child spirit (I don't think, at least).

[TaylorTotFTW]

Also, what should we have on B if we're not doing hammer?

[Nook]

Master Sword

[TaylorTotFTW]

That would mean no Deku first because having the Master Sword doesn't actually count as having a sword equipped, so unless there's a Deku guard skip that means we wouldn't have the sling for jabu+DC, making Jabu un-doable because we don't have chu's either.

[gamestabled]

when you get the lullaby mido lets you pass for some reason

Also BOOMERANG ON B?!?! skip most of jabu?

[TaylorTotFTW]

While really useful, what do you plan on using for a weapon in Deku and DC? Just a shit ton of Deku sticks?

Since there IS actually a mido skip, I think Master Sword would really 'B' our only option here. In that case, the child route now looks like:

40 rupees*
shield*
TSC forest escape
zelda's lol-aby
savewarp
Deku
saria's song
DC**
savewarp
TSC Navi dive
ruto's letter***
jabu
go adult

*this might just be my instincts, do we actually need a shield?
**dat goron city entrance, so close...
***there is actually a TSC to get behind king zora, but I don't think there's a jabu clip, and besides we probably need a bottle for somewhere else as adult link anyways

Feedback is good.

[TaylorTotFTW]

Alright, I'm doing a test run and now I can lay out a more detailed route.

Collect 'x' rupees
TSC forest escape
Zelda's lullaby
Savewarp
Collect '40-x' rupees
Buy shield
Collect 3 deku sticks on the way to deku
Enter deku
Get deku nuts from the left and upper deku babas
Get slingshot
Mega sidehop with deku baba (which conveniently pushes you back all the way to the second web, breaking it)
Kill Gohma
Saria's song
Savewarp
To DMT, then to GC to get bracelet
DC
Up DMT to magic
savewarp
TSC Navi Dive forest escape
to ZD
play diving game, get ruto bottle
move king zora, then back down and get fish in bottle
jabu*
out of ZD, down ZR for rupees
to gerudo valley
gateskip
gerudo fortress
gateskip
through desert to shadow colossus
child spirit (don't forget to pick up bomb chus)
watch cutscene for song
savewarp
to castle market
dins fire
to ToT
adult

* As for strats inside Jabu: the megaflip with still works for getting onto the platform early, but I have yet to find a way to skip the door without having the box there, It may be possible, but I tried for like 20 minutes, and it was hard because I don't kow what from to look for and I had to pause buffer (which is actually challenging now lol). I ended up just doing the dungeon normally, but I'm sure that a door skip is possible.

[Norkix]

First of all: YOUTUBE YOU FOOL!

Second: does this mean no one likes 100% anymore?

Third: Backflip onto the switch and pull out Zelda's Letter right before you land. No need for box/Ruto

[TaylorTotFTW]

First: The only video I could find was pokey's and it's not very good at explaining anything D:

Second: I don't know, I'm not really feeling 100% anymore, I'm more focused on this.

Third: Thanks, that's actually really useful.