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« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2012, 12:09:00 am »

Make sure you equip the hoverboots after you start your slide so that you start at full speed.

Also we need the bow for water temple, so switch forest and water. EDIT: IM AN IDIOT. YOU CAN DINS THE TORCHES Tongue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YnUzO91RJs I just remembered this trick. We need to compare the time saved with this trick in shadow to the time saved by skipping longshot and having hovers in water.
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« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2012, 12:40:22 am »

Oh man, I forgot you needed the longshot for that... Well, right now the strategy for Water without hovers is 'do it normally', but I would be much more inclined to do anything that involves not doing shadow early.
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« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2012, 12:42:17 am »

But also remember, no hovers=get iron boots.
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« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2012, 09:10:48 pm »

I just found a great setup for the burger king skip in forest, I'll record it and put it on YouTube as soon as I get home from Pennsyilvania, where I am now.

Also, I think I'm doing something wrong with ISG... When I jumpslash, I get hit and collect the heart, and I don't come crashing down like crazygamernerd did his first try in his shadow early video, I come almost floating down like he did his second try, but I don't have ISG.
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« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2012, 10:29:14 pm »

The sword doesn't activate until about the peak of the arc. try jumpslashing a tiny bit later.
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« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2012, 02:50:30 am »

Ladies, gentlemen, and raccoons of the forum, I would like to prove why the defendant, Mr. Shadow Early, is guilty of being fucking retarded. First of all, and I hate play the 'baaaaw it's to hard' card, but hear me out: ISG alone is a frame perfect trick. Let's say you manage to get a heart in the bushes first try, and get ISG without failing it or dieing, you still have to Poe hover, which isn't exactly childs play. So what exactly is the reward of this? Let's weigh the benefits and negatives of shadow early.

Rewards:
No ice cavern
Finish Water faster
No Shadow cutscene

Negatives:
Has the potential to waste massive amounts of time
Luck based
Shadow is suddenly 4x longer, as you can't do boat early (no longshot)

I also mention that Ice Cavern is a bit shorter because you can megaflip past the red ice in the first room to reach blue fire faster. Also, this gives you Seranade of Water for instant transport to the Water Temple (or close enough Tongue ) I'm not sure if you have to get the Zora Tunic, or of you can get away with not having it.

I rest my case, your honor.
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« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2012, 08:25:14 am »

court adjourned. *BANG*
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« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2012, 03:36:56 pm »

Dont forget about the benefits of hoverboots in forest and fire, but...

AGREED.

I still think we could find a way to skip longshot. All we need is to cross that gap, I will look for something later today. Also, I highly doubt we will need the zora tunic, considering when we go to water we will have at least 6 hearts.

I will skip iron boots.

It will happen.
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« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2012, 04:01:12 pm »

We can't skip longshot, because remember now we need it to cross the spike room. But if you can figure out how, then go right ahead  Grin
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« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2012, 05:17:06 am »

Why is it a ng+ route if you arent even using ng+ lol...

As child we can just get requiem (no spirit stuff) and as adult delay spirit temple until after shadow, and use hoverboots to get golden gauntlets before going to spirit.

Also nice water route. Puts mine to shame.

^just my first thoughts.
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« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2012, 11:29:57 am »

Here's a water temple route I made (I do not know the water temple inside out, so I am using a guide book as reference. Tell me if there's an error in the route Tongue):
Note that I didn't read the posts in this thread, so maybe there's a better route.

Go to ruto and lower the water.
Use this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pka6L_YPOnk to get the small key.
Jump down to the lowest level and fire the torches to enter the next small key room.
Savewarp
While you're at the entrance, enter the path right below you on the 2nd floor.
Clip through the gate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toQNW0_cq3I
Walk up to the block that you can push and hookshot clip through it onto the small key chest & take the key.
You'll now have 3 keys.
Savewarp
Perform this trick to increase the water level back to 3 again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlHMHvUKknQ
Get longshot.
Savewarp
Get the boss key (use this trick in the block room: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fReBZKisH1g)
Savewarp?
Kill the boss

I haven't tested any of this but it should work just fine.
You only have to change the water level twice and it only requires 3 keys in total.
I am not sure if there's another key that is faster than the 3rd one. If there is, just swap it out.
This skips pretty much everything except the path to longshot and boss key. So stop complaining. :p
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« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2012, 04:00:43 pm »

Din's Fire Skip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQw4fdOAgzo
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« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2012, 06:22:52 pm »

Why is it a ng+ route if you arent even using ng+ lol...

As child we can just get requiem (no spirit stuff) and as adult delay spirit temple until after shadow, and use hoverboots to get golden gauntlets before going to spirit.

Also nice water route. Puts mine to shame.

^just my first thoughts.

We are using NG+. Master Sword. Not necessary, just for convenience.

Here's a water temple route I made (I do not know the water temple inside out, so I am using a guide book as reference. Tell me if there's an error in the route Tongue):
Note that I didn't read the posts in this thread, so maybe there's a better route.

Go to ruto and lower the water.
Use this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pka6L_YPOnk to get the small key.
Jump down to the lowest level and fire the torches to enter the next small key room.
Savewarp
While you're at the entrance, enter the path right below you on the 2nd floor.
Clip through the gate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toQNW0_cq3I
Walk up to the block that you can push and hookshot clip through it onto the small key chest & take the key.
You'll now have 3 keys.
Savewarp
Perform this trick to increase the water level back to 3 again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlHMHvUKknQ
Get longshot.
Savewarp
Get the boss key (use this trick in the block room: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fReBZKisH1g)
Savewarp?
Kill the boss

I haven't tested any of this but it should work just fine.
You only have to change the water level twice and it only requires 3 keys in total.
I am not sure if there's another key that is faster than the 3rd one. If there is, just swap it out.
This skips pretty much everything except the path to longshot and boss key. So stop complaining. :p

You can't open chests underwater, I'm 70% sure of this.

That's a nice skip, thanks. But if you're implying that we can skip dins fire, then no because we need it for shadow.
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« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2012, 02:56:53 am »

3 things: You know that you lose ng+ when you savewarp right (EDIT: nvm you keep swords cool)

In his route the water is lowered when you open all 3 chests, despite the water in the video.

Well....you dont NEED dins for shadow....
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« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2012, 03:19:52 am »

You don't lose the NG+ item if it's a sword.

I just realized that about his water route... then that route would be great Smiley
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