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This is the Official OoT 3DS NG+ MST Route, last updated 9/29/12.

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So, I was just thinking about this today, as I want to start running it. I figured I should make this topic to discuss routing (which is really confusing by the way  :-X ).

Since DoT skip has not yet been discovered yet, that means that (obviously) we have to do all 3 child dungeons as child. I still see the order of this as up to debate, since deku obviously isn't required to be completed first, but I don't see how bombs/boomerang would make deku that much faster. Also, I heard BotW chus early doesn't work anymore (?) and the wrong warp to ganons castle to get chus wouldn't work either, so there's that. Right now, I don't see a problem with just going in normal child dungeon order. In terms of adult, I think  shadow, forest, ice/water, fire, then spirit would be alright. Also, something else to consider is MST NG+, if that would really help at all. Anywhore, insight/routing suggestions would be much appreciated.

Disclaimer, I might have no idea what the fuck I'm on about.

You can set Farore's Wind at Temple of Time -> Outside Temple of Time | Fire Temple Bluewarp, and warp to the Door of Time opened before having all 3 stones, so conceivably you could finish child dungeons as an adult

Yeah, but in order to even get to the fire temple blue warp you need to beat the fire temple, which has to happen as adult, which requires all 3 stones. Unless we could use another blue warp?

Hammer NG+ lets you beat it as child Link. Maxx has a YouTube video of it

Yeah, but we would have to get bombs, sling (i think) and like 2+ bottles with faeries for the heat timer. For what? Deku and Jabu as adult don't significantly save that much time.

The only reason we cant get early wellchus is because we cant clip oob. Being in ganon's as child link seems to always crash the game. If you found a fix for either of these...good job heres a milkshake.

I would think about the child spirit possibility on this route. I dont think we have an adult gate skip on this version, but I may be wrong.
Also your gonna need to think a bit more about dungeons like water temple where you cant just hover over the boss door as on console.

I don't have a problem with

Deku
DC
Jabu
Child Spirit
(Go adult)
Shadow
Forest
Water
Fire
Adult Spirit

I'm kind of iffy on the last ones, as I don't know what the exact strats would be, but this seems like a good outline considering there are no major sequence breaks besides Shadow early and child spirit (I don't think, at least).

Also, what should we have on B if we're not doing hammer?

Master Sword

That would mean no Deku first because having the Master Sword doesn't actually count as having a sword equipped, so unless there's a Deku guard skip that means we wouldn't have the sling for jabu+DC, making Jabu un-doable because we don't have chu's either.

when you get the lullaby mido lets you pass for some reason

Also BOOMERANG ON B?!?! skip most of jabu?

While really useful, what do you plan on using for a weapon in Deku and DC? Just a shit ton of Deku sticks?

Since there IS actually a mido skip, I think Master Sword would really 'B' our only option here. In that case, the child route now looks like:

40 rupees*
shield*
TSC forest escape
zelda's lol-aby
savewarp
Deku
saria's song
DC**
savewarp
TSC Navi dive
ruto's letter***
jabu
go adult

*this might just be my instincts, do we actually need a shield?
**dat goron city entrance, so close...
***there is actually a TSC to get behind king zora, but I don't think there's a jabu clip, and besides we probably need a bottle for somewhere else as adult link anyways

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Alright, I'm doing a test run and now I can lay out a more detailed route.

Collect 'x' rupees
TSC forest escape
Zelda's lullaby
Savewarp
Collect '40-x' rupees
Buy shield
Collect 3 deku sticks on the way to deku
Enter deku
Get deku nuts from the left and upper deku babas
Get slingshot
Mega sidehop with deku baba (which conveniently pushes you back all the way to the second web, breaking it)
Kill Gohma
Saria's song
Savewarp
To DMT, then to GC to get bracelet
DC
Up DMT to magic
savewarp
TSC Navi Dive forest escape
to ZD
play diving game, get ruto bottle
move king zora, then back down and get fish in bottle
jabu*
out of ZD, down ZR for rupees
to gerudo valley
gateskip
gerudo fortress
gateskip
through desert to shadow colossus
child spirit (don't forget to pick up bomb chus)
watch cutscene for song
savewarp
to castle market
dins fire
to ToT
adult

* As for strats inside Jabu: the megaflip with still works for getting onto the platform early, but I have yet to find a way to skip the door without having the box there, It may be possible, but I tried for like 20 minutes, and it was hard because I don't kow what from to look for and I had to pause buffer (which is actually challenging now lol). I ended up just doing the dungeon normally, but I'm sure that a door skip is possible.

First of all: YOUTUBE YOU FOOL!

Second: does this mean no one likes 100% anymore?

Third: Backflip onto the switch and pull out Zelda's Letter right before you land. No need for box/Ruto

First: The only video I could find was pokey's and it's not very good at explaining anything D:

Second: I don't know, I'm not really feeling 100% anymore, I'm more focused on this.

Third: Thanks, that's actually really useful.

Alright, I completed the rest of the child section, so everything is confirmed to work out. Also, should we pick up Din's Fire on our way to the ToT at the end? I know you can skip the part where you need it at trials, and we're doing Shadow early so getting in isn't a problem, but as far as I know there isn't a Din's Fire skip for the Boss Key room. I'll just add that to the route, but for now I'm off to plan the adult route.

I'm thinking this would work out for adult:

Hookshot
Forest
Ice
Water
Fire
Shadow
Spirit

(No shadow early because I don't think the risk/reward ratio is good enough)

What do you mean risk/reward? Shadow Early is just difficult. There's no risk.

Doesn't ISG only work if you're dead, then collect a heart?

Oh yeah, MST is single seg. In that case, yes. Yes Shadow Early is a risk.

Single-segment is not the same as Real Time Attack. RTA allows resetting, and zelda poeple generally do RTA.
Oh, and do we need the iron boots to get water boss key? I'm not sure Ice cavern is necessary.

Even in RTA, it would waste alot of time and bombs if you failed it once. The only reward being not having to watch the shadow cutscene. As for the water temple, it's going to be a BITCH to route. There is this glitch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB6Thj2FEMg) that allows OoB clips with Iron boots, which opens up all new possibilities. I'm pretty sure we have to have Iron boots, unless you plan on spell diving everywhere. Also this if it helps at all ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJqCyRDuD7E )

After messing around with that clip for a while I couldn't manage to find anything useful with, because even though I'm sure something could be done, the majority of the temple is unloaded. I think for now we may just have to do the dungeon normally, until something comes up. In that case, water can't be first because we need the bow.

This is why you guys need Shadow first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D85nw59lcI

I found a cool trick jump (that might be old) to skip some rooms on the way to the boss key without iron OR hover boots and Ill add a video in this post when i can record it. But Im not sure how small key needy we are if we do it because I did it on a completed file, you will also need irons or lowered water to get there because just cutscene diving isnt enough.

Im about to get a file so I can work on the whole temple not needing either boots, hopefully it happens?

Alright, after messing around with the Water Temple OoB glitch for a while and doing other stuff, I can conclude that:

You know that room that has the spikes to prevent you from climbing up and has a hookshot target on the other side that requires the longshot, which also leads to the boss key? Well, with the OoB glitch and the water all the way up you can almost land on the other side of the spikes, in fact you an actually land in the water and swim just underneath the floor past the spikes, but you can't get up. (Also, that route requires 2 keys to get to the boss key.) Theoretically, if we had the hoverboots we would be able to skip the longshot ONLY IF I could get that clip past the spikes to work (spoiler: I can't). Honestly, this is physically hurting me to do. ugh.

Aaanyway, for Forest we can just grab the bow and TSC into unloaded basment to the boss room.

Fire can techinicaly be done with first, with only 6 hearts, but at least 7 would be prefered.

Spirit can literally be done on a whim, as it doesn't require anything but the hookshot and we already have Requim of Spirit.

Shadow early is being considered now :P

Just get into that room normally, and use the hoverboots to cross from in bounds...
I guess we are getting iron AND hover boots. Fml.

Dos problemos, hombre. 1, the spikes are higher than the platform you stand on, so no megaflips/hoverslides/recoil boosts because you just get sent straight into the spikes, and 2, hoverboots actually would not help because I haven't been able to do a hoverslide across to the longshot platform (that leads to the boss room). But then again I suck at hoverslides, give it a shot yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvwB0phzF0I

Full route for the water temple that requires NO iron boots, NO zora tunic and NO longshot.

Does require hoverboots. And yes taylortot, I just tried the hoverslide and it works.

Holy shit

You are such a bro

Thank you.. So much :o

But really, thanks alot. And holy hell, how do you hoverslide that far? The fuck am I doing wrong?

But boy, is shadow early tough. After trying for an hour I only managed to get ISG once :(

Last note, new dungeon order is looking like:

Shadow
Water
Forest
Fire
Spirit

Make sure you equip the hoverboots after you start your slide so that you start at full speed.

Also we need the bow for water temple, so switch forest and water. EDIT: IM AN IDIOT. YOU CAN DINS THE TORCHES :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YnUzO91RJs I just remembered this trick. We need to compare the time saved with this trick in shadow to the time saved by skipping longshot and having hovers in water.

Oh man, I forgot you needed the longshot for that... Well, right now the strategy for Water without hovers is 'do it normally', but I would be much more inclined to do anything that involves not doing shadow early.

But also remember, no hovers=get iron boots.

I just found a great setup for the burger king skip in forest, I'll record it and put it on YouTube as soon as I get home from Pennsyilvania, where I am now.

Also, I think I'm doing something wrong with ISG... When I jumpslash, I get hit and collect the heart, and I don't come crashing down like crazygamernerd did his first try in his shadow early video, I come almost floating down like he did his second try, but I don't have ISG.

The sword doesn't activate until about the peak of the arc. try jumpslashing a tiny bit later.

Ladies, gentlemen, and raccoons of the forum, I would like to prove why the defendant, Mr. Shadow Early, is guilty of being fucking retarded. First of all, and I hate play the 'baaaaw it's to hard' card, but hear me out: ISG alone is a frame perfect trick. Let's say you manage to get a heart in the bushes first try, and get ISG without failing it or dieing, you still have to Poe hover, which isn't exactly childs play. So what exactly is the reward of this? Let's weigh the benefits and negatives of shadow early.

Rewards:
No ice cavern
Finish Water faster
No Shadow cutscene

Negatives:
Has the potential to waste massive amounts of time
Luck based
Shadow is suddenly 4x longer, as you can't do boat early (no longshot)

I also mention that Ice Cavern is a bit shorter because you can megaflip past the red ice in the first room to reach blue fire faster. Also, this gives you Seranade of Water for instant transport to the Water Temple (or close enough :P ) I'm not sure if you have to get the Zora Tunic, or of you can get away with not having it.

I rest my case, your honor.

court adjourned. *BANG*

Dont forget about the benefits of hoverboots in forest and fire, but...

AGREED.

I still think we could find a way to skip longshot. All we need is to cross that gap, I will look for something later today. Also, I highly doubt we will need the zora tunic, considering when we go to water we will have at least 6 hearts.

I will skip iron boots.

It will happen.

We can't skip longshot, because remember now we need it to cross the spike room. But if you can figure out how, then go right ahead  ;D

Why is it a ng+ route if you arent even using ng+ lol...

As child we can just get requiem (no spirit stuff) and as adult delay spirit temple until after shadow, and use hoverboots to get golden gauntlets before going to spirit.

Also nice water route. Puts mine to shame.

^just my first thoughts.

Here's a water temple route I made (I do not know the water temple inside out, so I am using a guide book as reference. Tell me if there's an error in the route :P):
Note that I didn't read the posts in this thread, so maybe there's a better route.

Go to ruto and lower the water.
Use this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pka6L_YPOnk to get the small key.
Jump down to the lowest level and fire the torches to enter the next small key room.
Savewarp
While you're at the entrance, enter the path right below you on the 2nd floor.
Clip through the gate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toQNW0_cq3I
Walk up to the block that you can push and hookshot clip through it onto the small key chest & take the key.
You'll now have 3 keys.
Savewarp
Perform this trick to increase the water level back to 3 again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlHMHvUKknQ
Get longshot.
Savewarp
Get the boss key (use this trick in the block room: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fReBZKisH1g)
Savewarp?
Kill the boss

I haven't tested any of this but it should work just fine.
You only have to change the water level twice and it only requires 3 keys in total.
I am not sure if there's another key that is faster than the 3rd one. If there is, just swap it out.
This skips pretty much everything except the path to longshot and boss key. So stop complaining. :p

Din's Fire Skip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQw4fdOAgzo

We are using NG+. Master Sword. Not necessary, just for convenience.


You can't open chests underwater, I'm 70% sure of this.

That's a nice skip, thanks. But if you're implying that we can skip dins fire, then no because we need it for shadow.

3 things: You know that you lose ng+ when you savewarp right (EDIT: nvm you keep swords cool)

In his route the water is lowered when you open all 3 chests, despite the water in the video.

Well....you dont NEED dins for shadow....

You don't lose the NG+ item if it's a sword.

I just realized that about his water route... then that route would be great :)

Edited the route to add the forest route video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jQb1WzP-kw

I left a comment on the video. You didn't know me when I was still SXL, so I just figured I would let you know. ;D

I'll change my YouTube account soon.

Hmh. I guess some people isn't aware that the N64 BK skip still works. The one where you ledge grab to get OoB and jump into the loading zone that is.
http://zeldaspeedruns.com/oot3d/Dungeon%20Strats/forest-temple

This method is much easier & faster. (This method was re-confirmed long after the 3ds method was found, which may be why some people isn't aware of it)

Wait, really? God damnit now I have to record that shit again.
(That's my way of saying thanks.)

align yourself so that you backflip into the small banister. After that make your way to the front of the platform while still being inside of the bainster and you should end up grabbing the ledge while inside of the platform.

What?

Unlike N64 this one is a bit different. Face the right banister, turn 180 degrees and walk forward a little. (make sure you are using inverty Y-Axis controls from options) Then tap L&Y&A and hold down. You should clip inside the banister, then sidehop right then left. Walk forward and make sure there is space next to the stair pillar thing and behind you. Walk left without holding L and you should clip through the floor. Tap A, align youself and jump. Woot its done. If you didn't understand I can make a video.

If you could make a video that would be great.

Ok ill make one,but its going to be laggy because my camera isnt good, in fact its worse than the one on 3ds : Ill see what i can do. Ill probably record that torch time saver too.
E:Borrowed my moms iphone and recorded it :) theres buzzing in it so Ill propably replace the music with something else :(

Just finished the first ever (I assume) completed run. I took 2 minutes for forest escape. I made 3 trips to lake hylia for bombs for child gate skip. I forgot to get the bow in forest and actually was in the boss room before I remembered. I kept missing the megaflip in ice cavern. I fell down the hole in deku. I did some random-ass route for water that I probably couldn't duplicate if I tried. It was messy. It was sloppy. In short, it was a horrible excuse for a run.

It was 4:41:01.

I can see at least an half an hour being shaved off soon, if not sup 4. But hey, it's the World Record :D

So you know how to do the new forest temple skip?
E:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4iCvXsT7rs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4iCvXsT7rs)
there, Its uploaded sorry if I'm late

Awesome, thanks alot man! That's a real time saver.

^congrats?

Did you just follow pokeys video to cross the wasteland? Its where I got stuck even though I can do it on n64, and Im having a lot of trouble following his video.

I didn't follow pokey's video. I'm not sure I've ever even seen it. Crossing wasteland is something I just picked up from when I ran console MST, I have my own things that work for me, I'll try to get a video up soon if you still need it. I have a bunch of shit recorded but it sucks because my old 'camcorder' only has a firewire cable and my PC doesn't have firewire ports so I have to edit and upload shit on a 100 year old Mac.

Oh you dont have to bother if its so much trouble. I havent even tried again since that night, I'm sure I can get it if I gave it just a little more time.

Wow, you really can't cross the wasteland? It's exactly the same as on console...

I know... and I can do it on console I dont understand  :'(

taylortot did you think about doing gold gaunts early and skipping silvers? It seems like a good idea to me

edited route: removed child spirit, added early gold gaunts. Much less of a potential run ender and it saves alot of time :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOvx2pQy9A4

Here ya go, pull it off and it is Din's fire skip (for reals this time) kinda forgot about it earlier.

If the typical sidehop-roll-sidehop-slash gateskip doesnt work still then this should:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiMs-x8mQQY

I'm actually really liking this run in the sense that the dungeons arent torn to bits like console (looking at you water temple) but are also broken enough that its still fun and feels like your doing cool shit.

shit, I forgot we don't have spirit song anymore... if this doesnt work we might have to go back to doing child spirit.

Hey I'm kind of new to the whole speedrunning thing, but after about two weeks of practice I pretty much have this run down. Some of you guys might remember me from asking questions on your videos on youtube. Anyways, although it appears that I'm a little late getting in on this discussion. I am here to help and discuss the general matters of this run!

Anyways, as for the Water Temple route that has been posted, I have an alternative for anyone who does not plan on getting the iron boots or the tunic. This is a video of how to get inside of the temple without either even though I'm sure you guys already know how to do this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPvJKmuSFbM&feature=related

The route goes something like this:

-Spell dive with the tectite on the west side of the central room to go to Ruto and lower the water. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJqCyRDuD7E&feature=related)
-Use a hookshot clip to get the level 2 key. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pka6L_YPOnk)
-Light the torches to get to the room on the bottom level and get the key.
-Savewarp.
-Use damage boost to raise the water all the way. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlHMHvUKknQ)
-Get longshot
-Get small key in the river room with the vortexes. Get the small key by hookshot clipping in the upper level of the dragon whirlpool room (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRjta0gpdFg&list=PL0BC01F2C8208B57A&index=63&feature=plpp_video)
-Savewarp
-Lower water with previous tectite dive trick
-Block room (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fReBZKisH1g)
-Get boss key.
-Saverwap
-Raise water with damage boost.
-Kill boss.

I know it's longer than the other route posted, however you say time from skipping ice cavern.

Welcome aboard, I'm glad to have you with us.  :)

As much as I hate to admit it (water early, I'm looking at you) this route is definitely faster. I'll edit the route accordingly tomorrow when I'm actually at a computer.

Gamestabled, we are not skipping dins fire! The convenience of having it for shadow and trials is well worth the minute it takes to go get it before going adult. I suppose later on, if this category gets more competitive, then yeah we could implement that but it's not worth it dude. What if you fuck up and run out of magic? Then you waste the time it takes to go get dins fire to get more :P

Well we need it now for water anyways  :P

Taylortot, can you make a video of the adult gateskip whether or not you find a consistent setup? I think I know what you did I'd just like to see.

To setup a grunz clip like in that water early, you can get on the ledge where you want to fall through, climb up, sidehop right twice, sidehop left, sideroll, drop a bomb, sidehop left twice, sidehop right, sideroll and backwalk to the edge. If you were in the right spot to start with the bomb should push you through. Doesnt work for this clip so gl hf  :P

I don't know if you can do this in MST, but also the silver block skip has been confirmed for Oot 3D. I'm not positive, but couldn't you potentially skip the entire child portion of the Spirit Temple with that? Of course you would need to do Shadow temple before it, so the temple order would end up being something like Forest, Water, Fire, Shadow, Spirit, that is if you don't get the golden gauntlets early and just completely skip the silver gauntlets. Again I don't know if you are allowed to skip the child portion of the dungeon in MST, though.

As of right now we are getting gold gaunts after shadow, so child spirit is not at all necessary. What block skip are you talking about? That would be awesome because then we wouldn't even have to get gold gaunts.

Gamestabled, if that setup works then much respect earned. I'll get the adult gateskip recorded, and hopefully get fire/forest bk skip/gateskip up all tomorrow :D

This is the silver block skip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DubDRFKs8g

With this you do not need silver or golden gauntlets to complete the Spirit Temple. I just tested it, and it saves a ton of time!


Also Din's Fire saves time in the spirite temple in the room with the 3 Anibuses/Anibi What would the plural for that be?) Anyways, just another reason to get Din's Fire. :)

Oh one more thing! I'm sure you guys know this already, but the pillar in the fire temple can be easily skipped with a megaflip. Once again it saves a lot of time!

Its funny that I forgot about silver block skip, because it wasnt that long ago that I saw it somewhere else. Well, gold gaunts early is out again.

Once you get the megaton hammer you can savewarp to the entrance, hookshot clip to the boss key chest, and megaflip to the door so everything after getting the hammer can be skipped.

After you get the hammer you jump down the huge pit, open the door and hammer the pillar. Just wait for my video.

Oh yeah that does sound faster Taylortot! I should have thought of that...

Gamestabled, that setup isn't working for me, the first sideroll puts me way too far left and doesn't drop the bomb off the ledge. It works if I take out the first sideroll, and then barely tap left before I backwalk, but even then when I clip out I don't land in water which probably means the bomb is in the wrong place.

I can make a video of my setup if you'd like. It's been fairly consistent for me. It won't be too pretty though since I don't have a great way of recording.

I havent actually done it in that spot, but its worked for me on every other grunz clip. I kinda forgot you need to go the right way to land in the water.

That would be cool if you could do that.

gamestabled, also the ground isn't flat so that messes up the sidehops.

Alright I'll make a video, but I won't be able to record until a couple of hours however I will get it to you shortly.

So I felt like updating you guys with this here: I just saw in SDA forums that the 3DS capture device is basically done and the dude says hes ordering 300 of them to have by the end of the month. There isnt a price yet but Im pretty sure Im gonna get one if its priced fair enough, obviously Ill be recording this game mostly.

Also just so I have a least a little more in this post neolink says hes gonna run this. Hes cool.

Oh good. Recording on a cardboard box is just annoying...

I just did a lot of practice on the shadow temple. It looks like with the longshot clip to skip the block, the dungeon can be completed in less than ten minutes. I got 10:22 on a sloppy run so that's good.

Just finish my first full run! My time was 4:18:59, so a new world record!  :D
 However,  I only got the record because of the new edits to the route. My actual run was laughably horrible. My guess is that 30-45 minutes can be saved using the currents starts.  I think I'll ry another run in 2 days, but until then,  I'm going to rest.

What?!?! You beat my record? Impossible!  ;D Nice job man, looks like sub 4 is quickly approaching. I have yet to attempt another run aside from my first one, mainly because water early needs alot of practice... alot of the time when I clip through the bomb was in the wrong place so I don't land in the water, which I'm not sure how to fix. I might just grab Iron Boots anyways like a scrub.

Sub 4 will be laughably easy with the new strats. Even if you do get iron boots, the block skip in the spirit temple saves more than enough time for sub 4. Also, I'm still gonna make a video for the setup for the grunz clip. I think I'll record it tonight if I can. Also do you do the megaflip skip in the block room in the water temple? I was having a lot of trouble with that, but I think I found a good setup. Anyways 4:19 can be greatly improved. I died 5 times in that run. 5!!! Not to mention that I made 2 huge mistakes in the fire temple, and lost loads of time in the water temple. Add that together with all of the other little mistakes and you have huge potential time saved! Wow this is exciting! :D

Exciting indeed. It's kind of funny you died 5 times lol. I'm getting more consistent at the clip, so that's good. Also, I'm uploading some stuff right now so expect that.

I look forward to it. I'm going to go record right now!

Im interested in this thing, but there are two things im wondering about.
1.who's neolink?
2.Are the gold gauntlets early skipped?

I'm not sure who neolink is because I'm new around here, but apparently he's cool...
Golden gauntlets early will most likely not be in our runs (I sure know it's not in mine) because you can just do the silver block skip in the spirit temple (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DubDRFKs8g) so that you don't need any kind of gauntlets at all in the spirit temple. Then you can just get the golden gauntlets while you're completing the trials like you normally would.

Considering the n64 glitchless MST record is sub 4, i sure hope we can break that :P

The block room in the water temple can be skipped. When you get in the vortex room you can jump straight to the passage the boulders come out of, it doesnt require hoverboots.

Lol neolink is a regular in a bunch of streams and he said he really wanted to run this and i gave him the route. Thats all  :)

How do you guys feels about getting the cucco bottle before dodongos cavern then TSC past King Zora?  It would skip the diving game, silver scale, king Zora text, king Zora moving (uuuggghhh). This is what I've been doing, but I don't know if it's exactly faster.

Im sure it is now that we arent going to ice cavern (king zora would still be in the way)

So me and taylortot and robdog talked a lot about farores wind wrong warping today and how it could fit in the route.

Basically what we have so far is: It should work, It would save plenty of time, It would be balls out insanely hard multi-frame perfect bullshit that cant be setup. In almost every dungeon. GG?

I'm gonna try some of the easier sounding possibilities tomorrow i guess. But just be prepared for what may come. Damn I wish i had a 3ds emulator right now.

You know if we start wrong warping... we won't be able to turn back *dramatic music* Yeah that sounds good, but will probably take hours out of my real life, but whatever. If you find anything just let me know ;)

Also, here's the video for the grunz clip into the water temple early setup. The video quality sucks, but it should do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za0DMGBpsjA&feature=youtu.be

I'm gonna be totally honest: I'm lurking in this thread to find tricks I can use in 100%. Well done guys. I might start practicing if I ever find my 3ds again.

Also benstephens1000, I'm SamusXLink on YouTube. I'm trying to get around to changing that...

Ben, I will time it to see if getting cucu bottle saves any time, it should in theory.

In case you guys didn't see already, here is the fire temple route and boss key skip setup for forest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LukXt31PJY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7ADdwpA480

Also I have some news for wrong warps... gamestabled, I set FW in the back potion shop in kak, then warped from an already beaten fire temple warp and pressed A to warp right after the screen turned white. please tell me I did something wrong, because it warped me to unloaded death mountain crater, where it would have warped me to if I just went into the warp normally. Pressing A an earlier warps me to the potion shop.

What happened to ur 3ds?
Also is SXL something you came up with VXK? Im surprised that your mom doesnt like you visiting forums with things like fuck the police even though you have a name like SXL. :P

I will take note of that norkix.

ugh wrong warping could potential save a lot of time, but it's gonna kick me in the ass.

Does anyone know how to hoverslide? I've been trying to do the adult gate skip but I can't do it. I get railing, but can't get seam.

I'm recording gateskip right now. It does not involve a hoverslide.

The wrong warp happens because of the cutscene that plays when you enter the blue warp. So even if your timing was perfect you wouldnt have gotten it because you already beat the temple.
Do a normal bombslide then during it (not before!) equip the hoverboots. If you mean with a crouch stab, stab the wall and equip the hoverboots almost immediately.

you don't need to hover slide for skip but and to hover slide from the rail or fence thing is a little tricky anyways can't be facing the seam when you hover slide/bombslide.
 
you'll do some megajump thing if you're facing the seam which can also land you on the seam as well but I seem to get caught by guards more often with a mega jump

I do gate skip an extremely hard way now for the challenge which doesn't require the hover boots at all had to do it since I left silver gauntlets
when I went to spirit temple as a child.
realized I needed them for forest temple to get bow for ganondorf and nothing else and silver guantlets for shadow temple possibly as well since I never got goron bracelet tried skipping all three strength upgrades could of got hover boots then left to get silver gaunts but i'd have to poe hover twice could of saved the workers but didnt want to have card and didn't want to mess up my 4 song run sarias lullaby forest warp and song of time.
every time I play I do the uber challenge tried to make it harder by skipping all three strength upgrades and using the bow for ganondorf only just doesn't work unless there is a new way to get past color blocks in forest temple bow thing will work not needed for water temple i know that did water with two keys and never made the water higher and spirit temple I heard old boss key damage thing still works where you can walk in the fire and get the key so bow is only really needed for ganondorf also fire temple three hearts no goron tunic and no bow is possible one fairy for boss one for pushing a block that i was able to push without a strength upgrade surprisingly just slash the boss as he's coming out of the hole and hit it with the hookshot 3/4 times and slash with sword as hes going back down dont need bow to two cycle volvagia so I usually do fire temple before shadow temple
i want to skip dins and all other spells completely but I don't think bottle dive still works.

Well as long as you're making a video Taylor, I should be fine.

i'll get some recording supplies in a month and show you a hard way to skip the gate

watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyf7zvxCIXc

the mega flip from the fence is not exactly easy but works in 3d version too but also have to megaflip from seam between fence and crossbar

I tried doing that megaflip a couple of times, but I thought that it was impossible... I'm gonna practice that until Taylortot gets his video up.

that's just a hard way try this if that's to much trouble http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZsPg62WY1U&feature=related this is alot easier but also might cause you to boost to far bombslide is a bit easier then this since it's easier to control but haven't found any video of bombslide

I've tried that a lot, but I haven't made any progress with it.

keep trying it works don't put on the hover boots to early or too late don't think it has to be exactly perfect neither also can work on your angle or position if you can actually do the megajump no problem then work on you angle and stuff this is what I did at first then somehow i slided over to the seam once so i start trying to slide my way over it didnt work till i found out i was back a little bit facing the wall not the seam when i face the wall it causes me to slide.

try facing to the right more after droping the bomb or left I think it's left in the master quest wait till link makes a noise before putting the boots on if you're having trouble with the jump or slide whichever helps anywhere not just there like water temple longshot skip hover/bombslide to boss door

my way is get onto the fence and get all the way back, (mind you hover boots are on) start running towards the wall to gain speed, roll parallel to the wall, angle change to face the wall, sidehop, then jumpslash. jumpslash pretty late, you'll get the hang of it.

that works as well save a bomb but isn't as easy as the megajump but is still pretty easy lol

but if you did make a video it would look something like this correct http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkwP5VqESZM&feature=related minus the rest after the seam and a megaflip after you land on the seam

since walking on the side like that once you land on the seam doesnt work anymore as far as I know i've always megaflipped between crossbar and fence in the 3d version

Thats pretty much it, but remember that the megaflip has to be aimed towards the very left side of the gate, otherwise guards catch you in mid air.

yup i know that did the megaflip so much :P was just trying to help ben find a way to the seam he'll eventually find something that will work for him.

I was able to get to the seam once with megajump. I'm still looking for the correct frame to switch to the hoverboots though. I'm going to try the bombless way for a bit now.

Yo gamestabled, the warp crashed my 3DS.

ouch I haven't even tried wrong warping yet.

Jumpslashing to the seam has been working pretty well for me so far.

good good have you been able to megaflip from the seam yet? just like the child megaflip to past gate.

not really much room the mess up the megaflip as an adult could knock you off the seam if you mess up if you mess up and it just knocks you back

then you'll have time to go back up to try again

For all who didnt see our conversation in #zelda today, wrong warping to the oot cutscene from both dc and deku crash the game. So does the wrong warp to spirit from fire temple (as taylor already said)

Me and taylor agree getting farores wind and using it saves time, mostly in the water, fire and forest temples. As for cutscene skipping with it...if you want to do that to yourself so be it. Ill say no thanks.

Hope to see you all in second place and below on the leaderboards  ;) gl hf

i'll be taking first place ;) i am like a robot I don't mess up on any tricks i am like those tas videos but i dont need tool assisted stuff if i did make a tas video my rerecord count would be 0  ;) nah no one is that good but i am not bad neither i can probably make a good tas original oot

Na I haven't gotten the megaflip yet. I'm still actually having trouble with the jumpslash. I've gotten it a few times just not nearly as I'd like.

Yeah I'm not getting Farores Wind. I'd really only use it in the water temple and I need to make sure that I have enough magic for the tectite dive and I don't want to risk running out.

I still can't get my time submission through! It just says that there was an error! This only happens with the MST NG+ and the Any% NG+ categories it appears. Well hopefully it'll be working soon enough.

Oh and for the record I technically have first at the moment so ha :P

It mysteriously disappeared from the counter where my parents were keeping it while I did my choresd. *sarcasm* Hmm, I wonder where it might have gone? *sarcasm*

As for SXL, I was 10 and had no idea what it meant. My brothers friend was LokiXRiddle and my brother is CloudXMuad'Dib (cookies for people who know who Muad'Dib is!) Samus and Link are my ttwo favorite fictional characters.

Great work here guys,  :>

I'm working on a few surprises for you. 

I must say that I am very much anxious to see what you have in store Tom Nook.

As for my gate skip, although I have not yet succeeded, I am getting ever closer to reaching the other side of that blasted defense mechanism. They think that they can keep me out. However, they couldn't be more wrong :)

Thanks Tom! I too am interested to see what you have in 'store'.... Get it? Cuz Tom nook... Owns a store... Ah, forget it.

Ben, lol ;D

New World Record!! 4:02:05 just finished. It bugs me that I didn't cut the 4, but whatever. Overall it was a pretty solid run, besides wasting copious amounts of time trying to do water early, needing to buy arrows from the deku scrub in Ganons castle, learning block skip mid run, and just bad overworld travel in general. This could be easily beat, but perhaps not as easily as last time  ;)  To bad the leaderboards are down, I'll have to ask maxx about it tomorrow.

Hahaha you have the record... for now. ;) I plan on practicing the gate skip tonight, hopefully perfecting it, and running again tomorrow. Also I plan to get more than 6 hearts this time so that I don't die... 5 times. Also I won't fall into the bridge room in the fire temple... twice, or at least I hope I don't. Prepare Tay, for your record may not last :)

Yeah I have been trying to post all day. It seems that the only two categories that I can't get are the MST NG+ and the Any% NG+. Hopefully by the time it's up, I will have the WR once again. BWUHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh and congratulations, in all seriousness. It's not easy to play a game with such concentration for 4 hours straight.

I see what you did thar. Challenge accepted.

Hmm...Tom has something in store for us...
As for big Ns 3ds, I think your mom stole it to practise glitches and tricks to do a WR, she might be among us reading these posts. Youd better be careful if i were you.

First successful gate skip just achieved... Only problem is I don't remember my timing or positioning of my megaflip at all. -_____-

Forget that last post! I got the timing down to a science in less the five minutes. Cross that suit off of the list.  Hell yeah! :)

congrats lol it's not to hard :P as for me i have one hell of a guide to type up going to take me ages lol.

Well turns out that I don't have the gate skip down as much as I'd like. I'm going to need several more hours of practice, which I find odd because it's not that hard of a trick, but for some reason I can't get that megaflip quite right. I plan on doing a run today, and as of now, I have no idea whether gate skip will be in it. Was gate skip in your WR Taylor?

Also, anyone have any good filenames? I always like to have fun with those.

Good file name is Raccoon. Hmm, I guess I'll make a tutorial for Gate Skip. Anybody confirm GTG early to work on OoT3D yet?

Tom im sure you know that we save frames by naming our character MST instead of raccoon. Im disapointed with you trying to get yourself in the game. Sorry.

gerudo training grounds works as a kid early using this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jth-1uob5A but i dont think ice arrows are possible as

a kid in this version. as for adult you have to save the workers, ice arrows are pretty pointless anyways unless your doing 100% in which you'd

have to save the workers anyways. (also hookshot the chest to skip the whole gtg)

Yeah I got gateskip in my WR Ben. Took me like 3 tries though and wasted a few minutes :P

I believe ice arrows may be possible as young Link, I know that you can get in the training grounds with the unloaded Gerudo Fortress, but not sure if you can get enough keys.

I just found this trick. Could save like a minute if done correctly, and it doesn't really waste time if you don't succeed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E7QrFya1Q8&feature=relmfu

Then I simply must get the gate skip! I must! I also modified my deku tree mega sidehop so that I go through the second web. It should save around a minute in my run.

My deku was pretty sloppy. How do you set up the sidehop so that you break the other web? I always land just to the left of it. Also, nice video find!

Here's a video of the mega sidehop where you break the second web. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2fBK0EmHPI

So on the vines below the deku baba there are 2 angles resulting in, of course, 3 sides. If you get between the two angles on the middle side and L target as you climb up, the megaflip should launch you to the second web. It might take some practice, but it's definitely worth it.

On that Ganon din's fire glitch, you'll only have to hit him with 3 jumpslashes opposed to 10 hammers jump attacks. All-in-all I think it's worth it.

This isnt true if you hit all the quicktexts  ;)
Since I like to name ng+ files after the item they have, my MST file was cleverly named MasterST as I mashup of MST and master sword.

Anyways guys, I know you like to update with your progress on making tricks successfully but please dont make a million posts with just one sentence telling us things like that. Thanks in advance  :)

There are a few more wrong warp things to be tested. The first I am working on right now and it is an idea from r0bd0g (they all are) to get the zelda escape cutscene warp to work. Will edit in results. EDIT: Crash  :(
The second idea is to get the fire->spirit warp to work. Put your farores wind in deku right after intro cutscene then try the warp (do not savewarp in between these actions) which is obviously real shitty to test, probably unreasonable for a run too.
The final idea is to try wrong warping to the silver gauntlets cutscene. EDIT: IT WORKS. IT WORKS. And you have control after the cutscene! And you can just open the chest for the gauntlets! New route incoming!!!

Alright guys, info to come. Good luck on more runs.

Um... guys... it is possible to skip the entirety of GTG by hookshot clipping to Ice Arrows... Just thought you should know...

Oh shi..you sure had patience to go all the way there. (how strict is the warp time thing or is there a setup) good luck, i need that.

Great news everyone! After testing some warps and discussing the route in #zelda, gamestabled and I have come up with the theoretical new route, which changes alot of things and saves alot of time!

First of all: we no longer need master sword NG+. Instead, we are using Farores Wind NG+. The child route is essentially the exact same as the any% route right up until when you magic (so deku nut forest escape (remember to grab sword before hand but don't equip), zl, to goron city (get cucu bottle on the way), sarias song, bracelet, to DC, grab bombs in DC then head up to magic). After that, you go back to the lost woods through goron city, and set a 'to be determined' warp, then buy a shield, do deku, and use the TBD warp to skip the 'creation' cutscene, then go from kokiri forest-->lost woods and set a warp there, go back and finish DC, then wrong warp and BAM, you're in the middle of the silver gauntlets cutscene! after the cutscene, open the chest to receive them, then rewatch the cutscene (lol), jump down and get requiem!! then just warp back to lost woods, navi dive, jabu, etc.

This effectively skips a long ass cutscene, block skip, and traveling to spirit! say goodbye to gateskip!

sorry if the route sounds really confusing right now, hopefully gamestabled will make a video and I will edit the route so it makes more sense. just thought you guys should know.

Alright... Question: how is wrong warp done exactly. I haven't actually tested it yet. No gate sounds really good right now :D I'm not fond of deku nut escape though... I love the new route. It's a big change but certainly a good one.

Ben, assuming you haven't done any% yet, you have alot to learn :P well actually not a whole lot because you don't have to do sling skip in DC, but still. Something you have to know is that if an item is on B, you can use it anywhere you can use the sword, meaning you don't have to use the restricted items glitch to use it. So basically, what you do is go from kokiri forest to the lost woods. Don't go from zoras river, dont go from gron city, go from the kokiri forest. Set Farores Wind. When you are ready to do the wrong warp (i.e you have beaten king dodongo, picked up the heart piece, and are standing by the warp, you inch really close to the warp, then sidehop away from it. now inch a little closer toward the warp, then sidehop towards it, pressing B in midair. If you inched close enough after sidehoping away from it, you should be on the edge of the blue warp with the FW menu up. Press A to select 'warp to point' or whatever when the screen is about half the size from it being distorted (the timing takes some getting used to). Here is a video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=LLM1h00Lx6deRD8DLmnzjnPA&v=6mNjDkeLcow&feature=player_detailpage#t=2325s

Its not confusing, just need to practise warping. Id like to see peoples faces when they see this run done.
Im starting to hate getting ZL, that fucking box jump and those troll guards who see me throught the bushes. Oh well atleast its good for any% too :) BTW taylor how are we gonna get those bombs without fire skipping u said something like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EJ0fdGNBbw

The wrong warp. As you can see, you regain control, you can get the gauntlets, you can get requiem, and then warp right back to the lost woods. Everything about it is good!

Alright so I understand that all now, but 3 more things: 1) how do you create NG+ with Farores Wind. I haven't worked with very much NG+ so I don't quite understand how it all works, and 2) Why don't you have to do the sling skip? I'm not worried about it if I do have to because I'm actually quite good at the fire skips, but will you have the sling shot at that point?, and 3) What is warp to TBD

Sorry I'm just so new to all of this farores wind stuff. I've never done any runs on console so I don't get all of these confusing things even though I'm sure they're not that confusing.

i was just wondering can wrong warp be done without farores wind on b while using restricted items in boss room i know it would be kind of hard to pull off i want to know if its possible has anyone done it yet?

Lttp: Yes, if you have FW normally you can use RI in the boss room to wrong warp. I have done it, not for silver gaunt cutscene though. It's extremely difficult if you don't know what you're doing.

Ben: It's hard to explain, but I'll try. First you have to get a bottle on B. To do this you first have to steal the fishing rod.

Pay to start fishing.
Perform Use Restricted Items to pull out a bomb or bombchu.
Cast the Rod.
The bomb will damage you, allowing you to walk while the rod is cast.
Nagivate to the door and open it.

Then, jump into the water outside of the fishing place, (it greys out the B button) enter the fishing place, then exit again. This turns your fishing rod on B into a deku stick on B. Now you need to turn that into a bottle.

To change the stick into a bottle you must first get rid of all of your Deku Sticks (mash B against a wall). Now, since putting a bottle on B also activates Reverse Bottle Adventure, it's best if you use a bottle of Fish, and equip it on the II Button. Empty your Fish bottle and re-catch it to have a full bottle on hand. Backflip, then press the Bottle's button and the B button in quick succession before touching the ground. If done right, Link will dump whatever you had out of the newly created B bottle. You can now scoop the Fish/Bugs with B to RBA whatever is equipped to II.

So pretty much have a bottle with a fish in it (put it on II), dump it out, catch it, backflip, and in midair press II then B, then catch the fish with B.

Now drop the master sword and go back in time. Now bottle a Poe with your normal bottle, and put it on II. Make sure you have EXACTLY 13 deku seeds for your slingshot (NOT DEKU NUTS!) and go foward in time. You should have FW on B. now just get on a horse, and quit the game. Start a new file. You will know if FW is on B on your new file if you hear a sound when you press B.

I hope I explained that correctly, if someone could confirm this.

2. You will have the sling in DC.

3.We just want a warp that warps somewhere close to the lost woods, essentially we just want to skip the deku tree cutscene.

1.make sure you have 13 arrows, steal the rod, get bottle on b, go back in time, equip the right item as child (not sure what it was probably a fish or bugs) go back to the future, check if farores wind works, pay to fish or try a horse, climb on a horse then save and quit. The next new file you create has FF on b, if you want to know if you were succesful start the new file, exit Links house and tap B, if you hear a sound effect it works.

2.when are we getting the slingshot?

3.TBD = to be determined, like taylor said in that post a bit earlier :P

Thank you so much Taylor and Pedalpower! I tried watching gamestabled's video, but I couldn't make sense of it. This helps so very much! I'm going to go test this all right now! :D

No problem ben  :)
I got magic now so im gonna go beat deku tree now.

After you get bombs you'd just open dodongos mouth before getting magic right? Well why not just get the shield in the chest up there behind the bombable wall? I think that would be faster and more efficient than buying a shield.

All of this personal status updating  ::) Any questions on NG+ and what it even is are answered here: https://zeldaspeedruns.com/oot3d/ng+/creating-a-ng-file (so you don't have to write lengthy things yourselves). Why not consider going back to Sword NG+, getting FW normally, & doing Restricted Item WWs, so you'll have FW and you can WW as an adult? It would save so much unless I'm missing something

Something like:
- TSC Forest Escape
- Zelda's Lullaby
- Open Darunia's Door
- Deku Stick in Goron City
- Saria's Song
- Bracelet
- Bombs
- Hylia Bottle
- Farore's Wind
- Magic

What we get:
- Much faster Child fights
- Skip traveling & Medallion cutscenes as Adult

Interesting idea Tom. However, I think you are underestimating the difficulty of wrong warping with RI. It's even worse than shadow early in the sense that you only have one shot it, and you're done. This wouldn't be a probelm if it were so difficult (difficult as in frame perfect).

I just gave the current route a test drive, and I have a few things that might need to be changed:
-after getting the bracelet, I think it would be faster to complete deku first, as we get sling so we don't have to hellfire skip, and it really doesn't waste time to do deku first anyways.
-gohma. We need more deku nuts (I think? can you 3 cycle gohma with a deku stick?)

pretty sure you need to get magic before farore's wind pretty sure you cant get farore's before magic but yeah taylor is right r.i farores is only one shot so next to impossible but still do able if you dont mess up lol

Really isn't that hard... Since it is faster we should learn how to do it. I'd make the same case for Shadow Early if it was faster

shadow early is actually pretty easy for me been looking for another way besides rba but poe hover is fine for me just trying to find an easier way for people i experiment around the graveyard everyday nothing yet few place i've tried so close not enough height still experimenting with one thing just about 2 cm higher it could work dam link only if he'd jump a tad higher

The thing is that it's almost impossible to make a setup for this. If you manage to make one, he'll yeah let's do it. Even if you can't make a setup, you can go ahead and run that if you want to. For me, at least until I complete a really solid run, isn't worth the trouble. Once again, I'm not saying it's too far fetched. It just isn't viable when this category hasn't gotten super competitive yet (3 completed runs between 2 people.)

Also, shadow early would save tons of time. If you have a setup for isg, let me at it! ;D

I feel that we should just stick with what we have now. If times get more competitive then we switch to using RI WWs. Personally I think it'd be possible with a lot of practice. I mean technically we only need to get it right when we WW to silver gauntlets. If we screw it up on the cutscene skips it wouldn't destroy a run. However I'm gonna stick to NG+ for now. I think I'm gonna practice fire room a little more. I think that I have a good setup for the first. I kind of have a setup for the second room, but it's far less consistent and not as smooth. If I can get it a little better I might make videos.

I think I'm still going for a run tonight. I'd like to try out the new route if I can. Luckily all of the stuff that I haven't practiced is in the first hour of the run :)

Shadow early would be great. It could save tons of time in the water temple and would make water temple before forest temple possible. Not to mention we wouldn't have to watch the nocturne cutscene. :)

Dude... punctuation... please...

Sorry, But anyways been trying something for another Shadow Temple early method, and still might be hope yet.

Get back to you later if I actually manage it.

It seems redundant to run this if it isn't optimal guys

Dude, like I said, if you want to run that route by all means go ahead. I will not be, at least for the time being. This route has changed SO much in the past week that it's to early on to call this route the final one. We shall see.

I had it! I was so close. My third run attempt tonight I was on fire nothing could stop me... and then I killed myself with my own fucking bomb! Goddamn I am so upset! I don't think I can attempt another run tonight, I'm too upset. I think I'll just play some TF2 tonight to vent my rage. Maybe I'll run again tomorrow :(

EDIT: I'm really close to getting the fire skip in DC consistent. I now have reference points in the first room that I have proven works. I still need more time with room two. Expect a video soon.

Few references for Slingshot Puzzle Skip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=gMtyo4vBp7g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=ZEsSJDozmcg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=p3RZ8kxei3A

Those should help a lot

I recommend tapping A when the screen is around 60% instead of 50%, works better (atleast for me) I think we need 2 dekusticks for gohma. Its possible to 1 cycle but its hard. Maybe we could get the shield from DC like ben suggested and buy sticks from kokiri shop. Why are we getting two shields? Also is it just me or is Tom somehow different?
And uh..how do you get past KZ after jabu?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t_pwdaxTjc

Was i supposed to set a warp earlier then equip sword, beat jabu, get FF and warp.

Oh after jabu. I thought the back side of him had no collision? If not then just savewarp and go form there.

Oh fuck...could you update the route a little. Jabu has collision and ruto is inside him. The only way to pass through KZ is to be adult, then melt KZ and quickly run past him. So are we going with the FW method or saving?

Here's what you do. 
After silver gauntlets, warp back to lost woodths. Then equip sword.  Navi dive to zoras river. TSC past the king,  beat jabu and save was warp. Simple

also I think we should attempt mirror shield early after getting the silver gauntlets.  If the megaflip
is failed then just go inside and get the song. If succeed you have one less iron knuckle to fight.

Fixed the route, we're savewarping. Not sure why I didn't think of that megaflip lol

How the fuck are you planning to go such a distance with a megaflip? That save thing is just annoying. I had some problems with files thats why. Isnt it faster to set a warp before equipping sword, beat jabu, get FW and warp? How long till Tom reveals his amazing hidden timesaver?

Just tried and the megaflip isn't nearly enough distance, I remember poodle getting there somehow but I remembered it was with a superslide. I'm not sure that the warp stays if you re-equip sword, and even if it does it would not be faster to warp anyway, the cutscene is a decent amount of time.

Come on already Tom  ???

It could work with Toms restricted item warp route thing, but...yeah probably not.
Why does it take so long to record or tell a time saver..hmm..we might be missing something here..how bout we try to find it ourself, we might find other tricks too :)

I think I heard one that it wasn't possible to megaflip onto the hand platform, but it is possible to flip onto a seam on the desert colossus and could walk up it to the chest. This could be false, but I definitely remember something of the sort.

Its possible to walk on the seam but you forgot the most important part, hookshotting to the chest.

Tom is not working on a time saver. That is all I will say. It's a surprise after all ^_^

Guys PLEASE try to keep this thread to "MST Route Discussion". This isn't twitter and we dont need constant updates on every thought you have and move you do. There is a question and answer thread if you need it.

Anyways, it seems as if it is impossible to wrong warp without crashing in this version if you dont warp to a cutscene.

So I propose this:

Any% route up to magic
Place farores wind at Links house->Kokiri
Complete deku tree
Wrong warp from deku to sarias song cutscene (second time viewing, but much shorter than emerald cutscene)
Return to warp point
Place farores at Kokiri ->Lost woods
Complete second half of dc
Wrong warp to silver gauntlets cutscene, get gaunts and requiem
Return to warp point, replace warp
Equip sword, navi dive to zoras river
TSC past king zora
Jabu
Get the real farores wind
Return to warp point, make way to zelda escape cutscene
Master Sword

Thoughts?

Sorry GS..that route looks awesome, cant wait to try it. And no save KZ escaping too. Wow. For what are we gonna use real FW? RI warping...fuuuuu.

Not necessarily, just having farores would save time in basically all the adult dungeons, assuming you have the magic for it. And overworld travelling too.

Sounds like a plan. I'll edit the route accordingly.

We also need to start thinking about where we can save time in temples with FW. It's onviously faster than savewarping, but we can't replace savewarping with FW completely, we'll run out of magic. Basically just try to think where we backtrack in temples, i.e. maybe after we lower the water in water temple, we go through the door at the very top, go back out again, set FW and when we need to lower the water a second time we don't have to spell dive.

I like the water temple idea Taylor. We just can't run out of magic spell diving. I think we should also put a warp in the torch room in the forest temple after we get the second small key,  and we can warp back after getting the bow. If we do this all correctly,  we should have magic for fire temple because of the pots with magic before dark link so let's put a save warp in the first room of the fire temple and warp after getting the bk. So many new possibility O_o

The RI WW is at a difficulty where its understandable if you don't get it, and it isn't expected that you get all of them. That was the whole idea behind the route I proposed. Gamestabled if the WWs work, which if robdog said they would then they should, lets go with that route up to MS.

Just tested it, the warps and the the rest of the of the route work, but something that should be noted is that when you wrong warp out of deku and into sarias song cutscene, it plays twice: once where saria is sitting further back on the stump, once normally.

mirrior shield early does work megaflipping from silver gauntlet chest you will land on the seam and not fall all the way down then you walk up the

seam tilting the control stick up/right a bit then roll right before you reach the wall at the top but not to soon or to late then you should hop on

the ledge.

up/left in master quest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfphpMyeC48 shockingly true.
This is dandy, might as well grab mirror shield as child too. Skip an iron knuckle.

Tom, the more I think about that deku->dc warp the less likely it seems. And because of all the time it takes just to set it up I wonder if it even saves time. I dont really think its going to happen  :(

Lets at least pick up FW when near Jabu so we can WW as adult

We are Tom, that's in the route.

Welp, new World Record again. 3:48:23.

I'll be honest, the child section of this run is the hardest, and I mixed up the route and had to backtrack some places as child. I uses FW once in Water to get back to where you lower the water, and once in Fire to be able to do a hookshot clip to grab an early key and then FW back to the same room. The adult portion of this was pretty solid, except for some choking on a few of the trials. I got Water early first try (what the fuck, right?) and hit both wrong warps.

Like every other run I've done, it can be improved by alot. I'm seeing sub 3:30 in the not so distant future.

Ooh nice Taylor. Hopefully I'll get one in tonight, but we all know how well that went yesterday. Child portion is definitely the hardest part in my opinion. I'm certainly getting better at child even though I've only attempted one wrong warp and failed. It doesn't really look all that hard though. Does anyone know how many frames the window is to pull off the wrong warp by any chance?

No, but in DC and Deku its a gigantic window. You probably have at least a whole second.

Ran tonight. I got a better time but I'm still pissed. 4:09:49. It was sloppy. It was frustrating. It had some of the downright worst mistakes I have ever made even in practice! I lost 15 minutes in the water temple. Maybe more. Somehow I screwed up Farores wind. After the wrong warps, which I succeeded, I wasn't able to use it even when I got the real farores wind. anyone know why this could have happened? I wan to have another run tomorrow. I want at least sub 4:00. Just a quick thought: is there anyway to wrong warp to any of the song cutscenes i.e. Nocturne or bolero?

wait how do you spend 15 mins in water temple all you need is two keys then get boss key then to boss door like 4 mins max :P

wait nevermind you probably don't shadow early lol even so you can still get three keys before going to dark link with water lowered once then

all you have to do is higher the water head to dark link kill him get key in vortex room save warp to entrance lower the water one more time

then get boss key save warp damage boost higher one last time longshot to boss door something like that not even sure how much keys it is to

get to dark link one or two if only one then only need three keys for temple those all can be got with lowering the water once then get boss key

savewarp damage boost to higher water kill dark link get longshot and head to boss dont need hover boots or longshot to get boss key just a

bomb and hookshot hookshot clip out of bounds swim over to key door that leads to boss key l target and back up you wont fall and mash x/y

button to drop a bomb above you and it will boost you on the platform and you can open the door.

woah woah woah! Hold the phone? what's this about the boss key? I haven't done any of this hookshot clip bomb boost stuff! Fill me in!

Also does anyone think this could work? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AytrjxrYIec
I'll test later. Now time for sleep

yes that works block room is unneeded other the that everything on first page is fine, temple can be done with 2 keys if you have hover boots

4 keys if not 2 keys to reach dark link from central room i think.

if it was only 1 key to reach dark link from central room then water temple route would be different by alot.

Well if that shortcut that I linked works then water temple will only take 3 keys without hover boots or iron boots. I think that would save a ton of time if masteredIt certainly would have helped me a lot last night.

Is there a way to get from the part of the water temple where you come in (3rd floor South area) to the central area of the top floor without megaflipping? I'm sure there is and it's completely obvious, but I always megaflip because I can't find any other way to get there. Jumping just doesn't work and there aren't any hookshot points that will keep you on the 3rd floor.

Does anyone know what happens if you say no to Saria during the 2 wrong warp cutscenes? I'm guessing not much, but I was going to try it out in my run just to check, and I seem to have forgotten to.

I have an idea regarding wrong warps. I haven't tested it yet, but it probably won't work. If it does work... well let's just say it could be quite spectacular. More info to come later today once I've done some testing.

Ben, ill try it out unless you already did.

I'm going to try it out later today, so you don't have to although you may if you like. If it works it could change the whole route. I already have some pretty nifty ideas...

Yea im gonna try it out. Could you tell me some of those nifty ideas?

I will share my ideas if the WW works.

Ben, what was that warp again? I did saria->kokiri. Not sure if too early or late...it crashed *sigh* we need to test another one >:(

Well that's unfortunate. Deep in my mind I was expecting a crash... I just feel that watching the Saria cut scene three times wastes time. I just wish there was something more productive we could do. I'm gonna give it a test just to be sure, but in the meantime I'll keep looking for alternatives. Sigh...

It may not feel like it's faster, but the creation cutscene, on console, is 4:50, and Saria's song twice is 3:40 on console.

What warp are you tlaking about pedalpower? saria-->kokiri? what does that even mean? The warps are links treehouse-->kokiri for deku and kokiri-->lost woods for DC.

Always look at the route for up to date strats, Ben. Hope you can get a good run in today.

Ben had an idea of using saria->kokiri to get to nocturne cutscene early in one of his posts, but he edited it out for some reason (probably to get credit to himself) I saw it and tried it out. Im pretty sure I got it right but it crashed :( Then again some of the warps are changed...does r0bd0g or something like that have an alternative and how does he know what happens with the warp or is it just luck?

That is puzzling... I'll ask r0bd0g about it, but for now try out the kakiriko-->hyrule field warp which supposedly warps to nocturne as well.

Ok, thanks. In DC or Deku?

They both work.

Ill try deku first then DC. Just got bracelet.

I was also going to try the kakiriko -> field warp... If none of the Nocturne warps work,  I've thought of some alternate warps. Still need to fine tune those ideas and test them as well before I say anything for sure.

Pretty sure I mentioned this way back when we first talked about the water temple, if I didnt I knew about it at least :P

Also warping to the nocturne cutscene is pointless, you dont get the song. Dont even bother trying.
Wrong warping to cutscenes where you get an item never gives you the item, with two exceptions. One being Sarias song (useless), the other I cant remember but it was also useless iirc. WHEEEEEW NOCTURNE EARLY!!!!

Im confident that watching sarias an extra two times is faster than emerald once, taylortot's timings line up with that.

Warp result. GS is right, oh well. DC does the same :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR34VVRpBJA&f

GUYS! IT WORKS! IT WORKS! I swear it on my mother's life, it goddamn works! It's not Kakiriko --> HF, it's HF --> Kakiriko, and it fucking works! I did everything normally until after magic, I took the owl on DM, exited Kakiriko, entered again, beat deku, WW and it worked! I got the song too!!!! Holy shit this is crazy!

Think of the possibilities! My new adult dungeon order! Get hover boots in shadow, water, forest, finish shadow, fire, spirit! This shit's real! I can't believe it actually works! Hehehehehehehehehe!

Currently checking if silver gauntlets still works after this! Hehehe!

Holy shit! ill record it ASAP..this shit is going to be crazy.

Do it man! Do it! Sorry guys, but I am super excited now! Can you believe this!? Shadow early! People have been looking for an easier way to do this for month! Who would have thought it would be so simple! Something I noticed, after the nocturne cutscene you here Ganon theme for like 2 seconds... weird...

Just got ZL Nice work Ben! U want all the credit?

I suppose I want credit, but I don't even really care I suppose. You know what I'm in a good mood now, so yeah credit for this would be pretty sweet. :) Thank you soooooo much for helping me with this pedalpower... I'm going to check if this works with the saria's how warp.

I will definitely run this tonight!

No problem ben :) ive always wanted to find a big glitch like this. Oh well maybe ill find something small like 100 years later..just got inside dekutree to get slingshot.

Cool pedal. I just started a file to test Saria's house to Nocturne WW

Saria to kokiri crashes. You cant use FW inside saria :( tested it
Just opened DC.

If you set a warp at Saria's house - - > kokiri forest,  it is supposively supposed to also WW you to Nocturne CS

That warp crashes if you warp from deku probably the same from DC. Got magic ;D Cant wait

Just recorded it, nice work ben! My hands are shaking...

Haha nice pedal. When I finish the cut scene I heard the fan on theme and was freaked out. I played the sing expecting it to do nothing but when link started replaying it I started having uncontrollably! It was awesome!

Fuck i mispelled it anyway video coming soon :)

This means that we will no longer be setting the links house--> kokiri warp obviously. This also means that we will be doing shadow right after water.

Water will not change much: we no longer have to megaflip to the platforms, but we still need the longshot for the shadow hookshot clip to the ladder, which is also why we can only do shadow after forest wand water (we need bow, to). This leaves possibilities for time savers in fire and spirit.

Wait a minute... since we have hovers at spirit, that means that actually getting the silver gauntlets and watching the cutscene a second time is optional, since you can block skip if you want.

Very nice job Ben  ;D

Oh yeah!  Good one Taylor! Man this is going to be so bad-ass!

Actually, I don't think that going to water halfway through shadow is a good idea, especially if the only time saver is no megaflips. Dungeon order sounds like forest, water, shadow, spirit, fire?

Whats the problem with that? I thought we just warp back to shadow after longshot. But yea Im always wrong with everything so forget it.

Hmmm... I guess you're right Taylor... I might still do it though. Those megaflip are a pain. Also the room with the crystal switch in the water temple where you raise and lower the water would be faster. Hmm tough decisions...

I suck at routing :( i always forget something. Video coming soon takes a while because its about 6 min.
Also does anyone else have a problem with ZSR main page?

It wouldn't be a problem if we had Iron Boots/Water song, but since we don't, we have to do a buttload of overworld travel to water, all for a maybe half minute time saver. Unless there is something else we can cut a large chuck of time off of, I don't see it being worth it.

Also, just know that this isn't a *huge* time saver. As far as I can tell, it saves a little time in overworld travel (going from kak to DC instead of kokiri forest to DC, but you also have to go from Kak to Deku as opposed to Lost Woods to Deku) and you don't have to savewarp-->kak as adult to get the song. Thats it. Unless we can find dungeon strats for fire.

Yes, ZSR is down.

This might also be stupid and most likely impossible,  but is there possibly a wrong warp to serenade? I son't remember seeing one, but if there was we might be able to WW to serenade or at least ice cavern from fire temple with RI.  It's a stretch,  but I'm guessing it's impossible anyways.

It seems to me, the only two dungeons that make Hover boots worthwhile in are Water and forest temple. They could save like 1 second in fire temple in the room with the red block but that's about it... I think I'm getting hover boots and going back to Shadow later.

But don't forget we are skipping that long creation cutscene, and the bongo bongo cutscene so this WW actually does save a lot of time in way of cutscenes. I'm estimating about 5 minutes or so, maybe more.

water last...we would have the hammer atleast. who knows. video up really soon.

I think Water last would not be a good idea. The longshot saves tons of time in Shadow and it can save many seconds in just about every other dungeon because it makes climbing vines and grates much faster. I think it's safe to say that Water needs to be done either first or second.

Oh, sorry didn't think about it, you said it a bit weird in your post so I got a bit confused.

good job on the shadow early however it's still getting the song been looking for another way to get to shadow early without song

Heres the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVtDlR_M_ns

Thanks for the video pedalpower! I showed it to r0bd0g and he was stumped. He's going to go try it on console.

Forgot about the cutscene ben, that saves more time than I thought.

No problem, thanks :) going to sleep now. Lol
Ps:fuck time zones..i mean theyre good..but no >:(

What exactly svaes more time than you thought Taylor?

My guess is that this has to be possible on console. The wrong warp was listed on ZSR so somebody must have known about it before now.

Edit: after further investigation, I have found no record of this glitch ever being done before today, on console or on the 3ds. I guess this means that technically I discovered this,  I guess.

It saves the 3 minutes we would have spent watching sarias song twice. R0bd0g said he was going to try is on console, but his wrong warp test file already had shadow medallion from RBA.

what about hammer slideing through water temple? and after dc u can do bottom of well and get bombchus is that useful

Hammer sliding to the west door on the 3rd floor of the water temple could be useful,  but not to the boss door because we still need long shot anyways for shadow.

Bomchus aren't necessarily until Ganon's Castle and even then,  I bet you could just hookdhot clip through the bars with the torches. Since we can't even get the bombchus until after we have bombs,  it just isn't worth it. Now if there was a way that we could get the bombchus before dodongos cavern then they might be worth it, but at the moment there is no way to do that. Thank you for your suggestions though ;)

I'm curious to see what he finds Taylor. I wonder if it does work on console. I assume it would,  but I guess there's no way to know besides simply testing it.

by the way ben someone found nocturne wrong warp thing before you its in max% child :/

Im gonna try to find a way to warp to serenade cutscene, not sure but it might work.
Might be useless and waste of time, but I dont have anything better to do.
Kinda ironic that the nocturne warp is the otherway around.
Offtopic should we make a warp table thing in oot3d zsr page?

E:any theory warps to serenade?
E2:tested 4 warps: Goron city ->DMT, deku = goron ruby cutscene, you dont get ruby
nocturne warp from DC, it works. HF -> Zoras river, deku = emerald cutscene, area unloaded and Link falls OOB before the second text box starts. DMT -> DMC deku = title screen bolero video.

Pedalpower, there is a table under the OOT section here listing all the wrong warps known. So look at that instead of just trying random things lol. We dont need a serenade warp, we are skipping it.

So both the silvers and the nocturne warp work from DC and Deku, I tried all four.

I think the new plan is:
Blah blah to get magic
Owl down
Set HF->Kak
WW in DC to Nocturne
Get to lost woods through GC or HF, whichever is faster
Set Kokiri->Lost Woods
WW in Deku to Silver Gaunts
Grab Silvers(optional), Mirror Shield and Requiem
Return to Warp point,Set FW, Equip Sword, Dive to Zoras River
Enter Domain, TSC past KZ, Jabu
Get the real FW, return to warp point, OOT, Dins, Master Sword

Some of the warps are different and I know its useless. Just wanted to find something. I also tested the nocturne warp from DC. I think theres a small mistake in your route
Return to warp point, equip sword, dive to zoras river
Set FW, enter domain etc.

I like the new route Gamestabled. I was still finishing Deku tree before Dodongo's Cavern and then I would get my shield burned by the keese and I'd have to buy another before Jabu Jabu. Doing the dungeons in that order should save me a bunch of time and should prevent me from having to go out of my way to get a new shield. Wow this route is way different than it was less than a week ago... I like it :)

Thanks for letting me know that LttpMmOot

one thing I've noticed about the new route though,  is that deku sticks are going to be very tight. You'll get three in goron city,  use one in the lost woods,  get three more in goron city,  use two on lizalfos,  and use three and king dodongos. If you mess up even once,  you have to make another trip to goron city before king dodongo. It's technically possible to kill Gohma with one but I'm going to buy two from the kokiri store to be safe.

Would it be possible to wrong warp to Prelude of Light cutscene for DoT Skip?

Ben, gohma 1 cycle is VERY easy ive done it about 3 times in a row now, you need the right rhythm.
For easy rupees, just after bombing those stairs down in DC, go left and break the closest pot. It has 20 rupees in it 100%
We would need the warp and this is MST. If it is possible we would use it in any%

It might somehow possible, but there would be no point. We need to use our two child warps on Nocturne cutscene for hover boots early and for Silver Gauntlet warp for the Requiem of Spirit. Both of those warps save quite a bit of time. Also, doing child dungeon's as adult link wouldn't really change much our save to much time. Time would be saved in DC, but all-in-all it's just not worth it. Would getting prelude early even allow for DoT skip? Thank you for your suggestions though. Any idea you have feel free to share. Sometimes ideas, even stupid ones act as springboards for good ideas.

I already get the red rupee in the pot in the stair room actually. I also pick up the red rupee under the rock on my way up to magic. As for gohma 1 cycle, I never get it not because of the rhythm but because I never break my Deku stick the right way. I'm working on getting it right though.

It would ben youre behind the door while learning the song.

I think child spirit wrong warp is only useful for the song unless you actually need silver guantlets for trails which i dont think you do in main quest not sure about master quest

you can just silver block skip in spirit temple with hover boots could save time on watching the cutscene twice when you only really need the song

You need them for trials? Uh..what. Didnt GS say theyre optional?

was just pointing out the child spirit temple wrong warp for gauntlets is pointless you dont need them as for the song it saves a ton of time
i have no idea if he said that but they are optional i'd skip them period cut off a minute of watching the cutscene again.

dont think it matters though still have to setup block skip in spirit temple so idk lol block skip for me is faster then actually pushing the block

You do not need silver gauntlets. I agree with Lttp. Block skip is faster than pushing the block. However mirror shield early is worth it. It's not even that hard.

Just attempted a run. Gave up 2 hours in. It was atrocious :(

also means skip watching the cutsence twice if you do decide to skip gaunlets only have to watch it once which also makes up for block skip save 30 seconds possibly more if you dont mess up on block skip once

Warning. Useless wall of text ahead. None of it is exactly necessary of a reply, so don't feel obliged to just because my wall is so big, lol.

About wrong warping into cutscenes, uh, for each area in the game, there are only two cutscenes you can warp into, depending on whether you used deku/dc to warp to that area or if you used fire to warp to that area. There are known two cutscenes that you could warp to that could function as a DoT skip. The first is to the temple of time using the fire temple warp (you could set FW in a lot of places maybe, but Market->ToT is the obvious one). This plays the door of time opening cutscene. I mean, not exactly at DoT skip, but still. The other is to the cutscene map (Kokiri Forest->House of Twins is one) which plays the light medallion cutscene if you use the fire temple warp. After the CS you will probably be child link inside the MS room, but maybe you would become and adult (either way you do get the light medallion). If not you might have to watch the light medallion CS again when you pull MS. I'm not sure if these warps have been proven not to crash on 3D. Obviously the problem is that both of these would require NG+ Hammer, doing Fire as child, and doing a difficult wrong warp with RI. Serenade and Prelude are both not reachable using current wrong warp methods.

I wonder about maybe just setting FW somewhere and making a half-hearted attempt to skip all the adult cutscenes. It'll take a couple seconds every warp to put down an attempt and if you get lucky once you could make that time back and then some. It might be worth it for you guys to give RI CS skips a few attempts to see if you can pull them off. According to MZX (this was with normal OoT, but it's probably not changed), there's a multiple frame window to warp w/ FW just as the screen is almost completely white, for adult warps.

I was wondering though about where you would warp to from fire temple. It would be nice if somebody could prove that warping into an area that doesn't play a cutscene were possible on 3DS, but nobody's proven that yet as far as I can tell. It's looking like you will have to warp into a cutscene, if you do try to CS skip the fire temple CS. I can't really see a cutscene that you would actually want to warp to, so I was thinking maybe just warp to the temple of time and watch the door of time opening again, which, IIRC, is really short if you've already opened the door. If you're doing fire temple last, the light arrow cutscene should be waiting for you. I'm not sure which cutscene will play but it's a possibility that the light arrow cutscene will play instead and you won't have to watch an extra cutscene at all.

Trying to think of what other cutscenes it might be possible to wrong warp to (but probably aren't better than the ones you're using already) are:
- Saria's Song. That can't save time because you, for the most part, need Saria's before you can WW and even then it wouldn't really skip anything, especially with having to watch it twice.
- The exit list says that Spirit Temple has cutscenes and that it should be possible to wrong warp into them but, I have no idea what those cutscenes are, and when people have wrong warped to spirit temple before, nobody mentioned anything playing.
- Nabooru Defeated CS in the Spirit Temple Boss Room. I'm not really sure where you can wrong warp to this from; possibly Spirit->Spirit Boss Room is the only way (the exit list suggests there's an entrance to Kokiri Forest that could work, but it's hard to say for sure if that exit is reachable, what with the wrong warp table (this cutscene isn't even on it) being so incomplete -- possibly it's the grotto, which wouldn't be possible to use, or possibly it was tested and crashed but could be possible somehow). Even if it were possible to reach somehow, you would need a DoT skip in order to WW to the cutscene as adult so for to beat the boss. It could maybe be useful if the Kokiri Forest entrance, whatever it is, is found to work, since you could just savewarp and be in the Spirit Temple.
- All 6 Medallion CS in the Chamber of Sages. By default this cutscene brings you to Dessert Colossus after it finishes. I assume if you beat Shadow Temple after spirit, it would take you do the graveyard instead. The problem with this is that the only known warp to it is infinite falling OoB. There's another entrance to the chamber of sages that should be possible to wrong warp to from a Temple of Time entrance, but who knows what entrance that is. There are a couple of entrances that would only be possible to use as a FW point on the 3DS version (first becoming adult, or after dropping the master sword), but they would require DoT skip since you would have to use Deku/DC to reach that cutscene.
- Door of Time opening / Light Medallion CS, using the fire temple, as I mentioned already. Just from glancing over the list, I think you've probably already got the best two cutscenes to use, but maybe I've missed something.

There are some exits that are only possible as child (to/from the guard house with the pots, owls, that sort of thing) that could possibly lead to unexpected places. Setting FW after taking the owl to kakariko and also setting FW inside the pot house are things that I'm curious about. If Owl->Kak leads to Nocturne it could be a little faster than setting it at HF->Kak (EDIT: this leads to Lon Lon, but, try exiting the house where Talon sleeps -- it should be closer than the main entrance). Since it's not the main entrance to Kakariko, though, it's more likely to crash, even if that's where it leads. The pot house because I see on the exit list something called "Lots O Pots" (that house was the only thing I could think of that that might be -- possibly it's the same as the poe house though) and it should link to the Spirit Temple entrance that has the mysterious non-existent cutscenes listed after it.

R0bd0g, I was also curious about some of those potential wrong warps that you mentioned. I might test some of new warps in a few days. Fire temple early might also be something to look into at the moment. If we can finish Jabu Jabu,  warp back to lost woods, enter goron city, climb DM and enter fire temple through DMC we could get there pretty fast. This would give us another chance to perform another wrong warp without having to use RI. We could potentially do one of your Dot skips. This could skip the Zelda fleeing castle CS. However, if you did skip that cutscene, the water temple route my have to be tweaked and you'd have to preform the glitch in Dampe's grave where you exit the hookshot room and sidehop back in to get trapped and warp back to the beginning of the race considering that you wouldn't have the Song of Time. Lots of things to think about after reading this.

EDIT: woops looks like beating volvagia as young link would require a hammer on b... However, wrong warping as an adult in fire temple using RI could be helpful, but is certainly not necessary. We could add something to the route that would simply save time, and would not cause a failed run if you don't succeed.

Ben, you should idle in #zelda so you can be up to date with all the shit we talk about. Just have this in an open tab or something http://cbe004.chat.mibbit.com/?channel=%23zelda&server=irc.speeddemosarchive.com

Owl->Kak WW's to Lon Lon.

That said, Talon Sleeping House->Kak is a little better than HF->Kak and it was tested to work so that's what I guess you'll be doing from now on.

Yeah, so I in the middle of a run, and when the spirit song cutscene ended, I quickly pressed B to return to the warp point. However, this resulted in the camera locking in front of link, me not being able to push any buttons on the touch screen and no button on the 3DS itself save for 'Home' had any effect. It was not frozen, because links eyes would blink occasionally and I still heard the gerudo music and sand sound effects playing, but I couldn't do anything. I suspect a few things may be responsible for this- 1: I had no magic. due to unforeseen circumstances in deku, I actually had to warp out mid boss fight (heh) and return with adequate supplies. I know you can return to warp points with no magic, but still. 2: Maybe I pressed B too early? I don't know, I did press it almost exactly as I got control over link. Regardless, that was really weird and I hope it doesn't happen again  :-X    

EDIT: Did I just softlock my 3DS?
EDIT2: God damnit I softlocked my 3DS.

The amazing speedruns of TaylorTotFails :o anyway, anything new? Has Tom revealed his secret yet? Cant use mibbit irc on Ipad well  :(

So close! 3:50:01. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go wallow in my own misery for the rest of the day :(

How do you prove your time? It its ok im going to use my phones timer. Ill take a photo after beating the game with the time next to it. Ofcourse i cant prove that i didnt wait and pause the timer before/after playing. (who would seriously wait three hours for a timer to pause it)

Until capture devises come out, there really isn't a way to prove it unless you want to record it all on your phone :P
Just do a run a say your time. We're all trustworthy here.

Ok..my time is 0:01 with this new amazing sequence break which makes Ganon come to Links tree house, give him a hug and say "Link, I realized that I can't become the ruler of the world and obtain the triforce with my time traveling skills, so take these stones, medallions and flags that show you have completed everything in this game. Im sorry." after that Link goes back to sleep and the text "This is the real happy end" appears
Im amazed mzx hasnt said/found anything about this. It might be possible that this is something Grezzo put in the 3DS version :o I was surprised by this SO much I forgot to take a picture :( but I can draw one :D Hopefully we can dig inside this 3DS game sometime and see if there is anything else hidden inside.

Also a note, in my 56 min run which was on Gohma (I know it sucks) i had to reset because you cant use infinite deku sticks trick if you only have one :(

Pedalpower,  you can do infinite deku stick with one stick. On Gohma you need to get close to her before you hit her. This usually does the trick for me.
 

Link puts the stick away if you dont have more than 1 dekustick (or you cant attack with it, dont remember) and ive done it on gohma 3 times in a row.

Wait Gamestabled, didn't you say that you had a way to skip the gate in the shadow temple with a big sword? My memory could be fooling me but I swear I remember you saying something of the sort.

It's done by forward stabbing, apparently.

By gate did he mean the one we longshot clip through or the one in the beginning of the dungeon?

Where we longshot clip. If you have more smaller questions, please go to the IRC (if i'm online, I'm on the IRC.) Just trying to keep this place a little less cluttered.

As soon as somebody can confirm a shadow block skip without longshot or a big sword it will actually be pretty significant to the route, changing it to shadow-forest-water-spirit-fire so I encourage you guys to put some effort into it if you're feeling bored sometime :D

It seems the routing is finally calming down a bit, maybe I can start doing runs now? Haha stay cool guys.

Can do Taylor. Anyways, now that we have shadow early, I do have some time savers I'd like to bring up. If you get the hoverboots and the hammer before going to the water temple there are several hammer slides that you can perform. I found three that would save time to be exact. One of them will barely save any time, but if you do the other two, it will prevent you from having to raise/lower the water 3 times. That means that you'd only have to lower the water once throughout the entire dungeon, and you wouldn't have to raise it at all. Although, getting to the two water changing points is now easy with hoverboots and FW we save extra time by not having to play Zelda's Lullaby.

For the first hammer slide you can open then West door on the 3rd floor without raising the water: I know there's a video somewhere, but can't find at the moment. I will edit in later.

The second doesn't save too much time but it saves some. In the room directly before dark link, you can hammer slide from the platform you start on, to the final platform opposed to as opposed to hovering around to each platform of the room: no video found.

The final hammer slide allows you to get to the boss door without the longshot, and it also prevents you from having to raise the water: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBzdSUzMiPk

I don't think it's worth it, but it might save more time to actually skip the longshot now and do shadow early. I'm going to try some stuff, but I think having the longshot clip will be the fastest route still. I'm going to be going through other dungeons now, as well as searching for videos, looking for other things that can help us out as well.

if you wanted to skip longshot you'd only need two keys for boss key in Water Temple. however as i've said before you can get boss key without hover boots, longshot, or iron boots with the water lowered but getting to the boss door without longshot you need hover boots.

Specifically in the uber challenge thread I made one hover boot use that is water temple boss room also can be used for gate skip to skip gerudo card other then that you don't need them to get boss key in water temple without longshot

May be changing the din requirement in the Challenge if you can still bottle dive with a fish or bugs have yet to test it

I have tried fish diving, either I'm not doing it right or it doesn't work. Try it for yourself, i'm bad :P

Alright so if we can get through the gate with a big sword, maybe getting the giant's knife is worth it. What if we collected 10 convenient gold skulltulas as young link, and after we get the hookshot, get the big wallet. On the way through the lost woods we can kill skull kid to fill our wallet. After forest temple, we'd go through the lost woods to Goron City and buy the knife. Luckily text is pretty short although we do have to blow open those walls. After that we can easily get the goron tunic and go to the fire temple. If we do this (I need to test if it would be any faster) we could skip the longshot and still skip most of the shadow temple.

If this does end up being faster, here's a route:

-Normal until bottle.
-Grab bugs behind skulltula house
-Bombs
-Skulltula in soil outside DC (bombs)
-Bugs outside fairy room
-Fairy
-DMC crate skulltula (bombs)
-Set Nocturne warp
-Skulltula behind bombable wall on DMT (bombs)
-Nocturne
-Set Requiem warp
-Skulltula in soil in the section of Lost woods with the bridge (bombs)
-Bugs in bushes outside Goron City entrance in Lost Woods
-Skulltula in soft soil outdide Kokiri shop (bombs)
-Requiem
-Skulltula in soil near the 2 deku scrubs in the Lost Woods (sword)
-Skulltula on the latter in Zora's River (slingshot)
-Skulltula in the room where you raise water in Jabu Jabu (slingshot/sword)
-Skulltula in room before boss in Jabu Jabu (sword/slingshot/boomerang)
-Skulltula in tree in Zora's Fountain (sword)
-Skulltula in tree in front of Hyrule Castle (sword)

*(   ) = means of killing skulltula

I have 11 skulltulas on this list so one could be skipped. There are other skulltulas that could be gotten, but are out of the way, depend on it being night, and require items to be killed that are not available at that part in the route.

Edit: another skulltula that could be gotten would be the one in the crate in the Hyrule pot room.

I honestly dont think that getting the adults wallet, and the big sword, is something that will happen.

I don't think it will either Gamestabled, but I'm going to time some stuff tonight and crunch some numbers to see what we're looking at. I'll also work on that gate skip as well and see if I can get it somewhat consistent since, if that route is somehow faster, we'll only have several tries to get it before the sword breaks.

Thanks GS found a way to clip through it with..a bomb. Can i get a cookie now ;D
Also video coming up. How come this wasnt tested yet?

<3

You can have a plate full of cookies!!! <3
It has been tested, you just found the way.
EDIT: I just got it first try without even knowing what to do. Why wasnt this found already?

New route is shadow, forest, water, spirit, fire i suppose.

Wheeee cookies *insert pic of cookie monster here* :D who knows GS maybe we have been slackers.
Its actually a bit tricky to do.

The only thing standing in the way of skipping longshot is fire trial. However, I just tested it and you can hoverslide from the platform that goes down when you stand on it with normal boots, the part thats closet to the ledge we want. you have to be wearing hovers so it wont go down, so it goes like equip hovers, get in position, drop the bomb, take hovers off then hoverslide. I'll make a video.

No more longshot  ;D

Bye longshot *sniff* :'( im going to miss you.
Awesome job taylortotdoesntfailanymore.
(whos/whats taylortot and why does he win?)

Seriously you guys are awesome. I thought that all of the secrets in this game had been found, but we just keep finding stuff! I eagerly await both videos that will be coming showing the fire trial and the bomb clip. This seriously feels like we're getting closer to the final route and to -3:30 times. I'm gonna test some of this stuff, and maybe even do a run tonight if I can. Goodbye longshot and good riddance!

I'm been practicing the gate skip for a solid hour.  I got it on my first attempt, but I have yet to succeed again. I must be doing something wrong... This is gonna suck for me I think. And don't en get me started on hoverslides -_____-

figures all this stuff is found the first time i try a run, though i couldnt get up to magic lol.  i did pull off a tektike superslide to the three boulders wich was pretty cool.  For the supposed bomb gate skip, what exactly do you do?  if this was discussed on irc i missed it, as ive had to hop from computer to computer the last few days and not all of them can run irc

Well I'm not entirely sure yet, but there will be a video soon. Basically what I remember doing is putting a bomb behind me and running  towards the seam between the gate and the wall.

OMFG i just went to shadow to try and practice and realised that i duped over my bombs on my main file trying to get FW ng+ and saved

Slowly walk against the wall to the right in the gate room. Where the gate meets the black thing on the wall, you can feel a little bump like the gate part is slightly more prominent than the wall part. You want to get as close in the corner of this invisible corner as you can without moving to far left onto the 'prominent' or gate part of the wall. One good way I can usually tell is when the very middle  top of links hat is lined up with the small white line on the left side of the black line on the wall. Anyway, once you get into position just pivot 180, A-drop a bomb, pivot 180 again, then target the wall and walk straight forward.

Hey Taylor, do you mind if I record the fire trial hover boost too?

Thanks a bundle and a half Taylor for that detailed description. I haven't missed the clip once after reading that. Great find Pedal. I finally am beginning to like this route :)

Heres da video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOH0aWSb-Eo
Sorry if I'm late, ran into some problems.
Alternate fire trial without longshot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF1LGFiX0Ik

So, if you're skipping longshot, does that mean no Dark Link?

3:30, well done guys. I don't do ww, so I couldn't ever run this (unless we make MST no ww), but seriously, WELL DONE.

Any one gonna help me revive 100% now?

Yes we are skipping dark Link. There is no need because we are skipping the longshot now that we have new shadow gate skip. Also no one has gotten 3:30 yet, but with this route I believe it is very much possible.

Hey-oh new world record :D
3:47:52 I can't say I'm too happy with it, but it will do until I can get another run in in 2 or 3 days. Water early was atrocious, spirit block skip was abominable, and the fire hover boost was atrocious, but it's a new record. In an hour or so I will probably post some split times that I recorded.

Fairy Ocarina - 0:7:26
Zelda’s Lullaby - 0:16:15
Goron Bracelet - 0:28:39
Bombs - 0:38:37
Nocturne of Shadow - 0:49:13
Requiem of Spirit -  0:59:00
Zora Sapphire - 1:12:05
Master Sword - 1:21:40
Hover Boots - 1:30:33
Shadow Medallion -  1:40:49
Forest Medallion - 1:58:39
Fire Medallion - 2:21:48
Water Medallion - 2:41:11
Spirit Medallion - 3:04:26
Ganondorf - 3:38:24
Ganon - 3:47:52

These may not be so incredibly accurate due to my ghetto setup for taking splits, but it should serve its purpose good enough.

When are we going to see vids/recordings of 3ds mst runs?!
Not for proof, but for the entertainment value clearly and seeing all the magic taking place in one single segment! ;D

Not sure. Takes a lot of practise, patience, time etc. to play 3:50 minutes. Recording can be a bit difficult too.
Maybe Taylor, GS or Tom might do one. I would do one if it wouldnt take so long to do.
(Has Tom said anything about that surprise yet?)

I would start recording but I don't currently have a camera that can record 4 hours of game play. However I am working on getting something together possibly. Also Tom hasn't unveiled any surprises.

Sorry my 3DS is out of commission for a while :'|

I would love to record a sub-4 run. The problem is, my sd card holds around 45 minutes of video and it isnt easy to have that much time in a quiet environment. I considered doing a part-by-part run, but that seems goofy to me.

Whats happening to everyones 3DS :o I cant record 4 hours on an Iphone IIRC it splits the video at 2gb or something...wait a sec i can just combine 'em into one..but how can I borrow it for 4 hours..hopefully i can get one soon. (Does anyone know if 3.5 m to m cables work with an Iphone + 3DS, been trying with many different things but it doesnt work. Of course the cable might be borken or something)

I think it's agreed that this could work in a run:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvQ0cyrrL2M

oh and this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-2mMwJEKQw

Just did my first MST (practise) run, time was about 4:09:15
Pretty decent considering I had to watch the route at the same time. there were some horrible, horrible mistakes meh ill accept it.
PS is the time stopped when last hit to ganon or after zeldas last text box? I did after ganon.

The run is over on the last meaningful input (pressing B on Ganon).

I always found it weird because you still need to tap the buttons to clear zeldas text boxes, oh well atleast it ends faster.

Keyword is MEANINGFUL input. There is no gameplay after pressing B to kill Ganon.

New WR!  :D 3:47:19 woohoo also lots of mistakes.
Also how do i fix the time? Do i resubmit it? (today is 6th the time there shows 5th day.)
NVM fixed.

So, Why do you get Din's Fire? Is it required anywhere?
You can clip past the shadow temple boss key room walls with the hookshot so it's not needed there. And that's the only place I can think of.
I remember someone saying that it was possible to clip past the entrance as well, but maybe it required bgs or something? :o

Also, you can skip the second locked door in Forest temple now that we have hover boots: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSJMLV8QdY0
Which means that only 1 key is required (not counting the very first room). I do not know if it'd be faster to take the stalfos or hand key. I would assume that the room with the hands is faster since you walk past it.
I would assume that this is faster than getting both keys, but I'm not sure.

With this trick you can skip unlocking a door saving a key, and it takes you right to another key leaving you with 2 keys.

I was trying some shit with forest too, but forgot that trick.
Not sure why we get dins. IIRC some people called shadow clip too hard.

no matter what you have to get stalfos key in forest temple otherwise you cant get bow tested this out ages ago and the hookshot clip in shadow for bk is easy as shit get it everytime and i dont even lose half a heart doing it. you can skip first room key and get stalfos and hand key

We get Dins fire because we need it to open up Shadow. The hookshot jump shadow early is not in the route because it requires iron boots and thus is not faster

First Key is way faster than the hand key though.
So I guess you'd get the first 2 keys only, and use hover boots to skip past the first locked door.

first key probably is faster never bothered to time it

Im a bit confused by the route...is it the final one yet?

No Zelda route is ever final.  ;)

This. It can always be assumed there are things we have not discovered. MST on console is a perfect example of this. At one point, sub 3 hours was thought to be impossible.

Should we skip FW? Its only useful in forest & few others. RI warping from Water skips the sheik cutscene which is the trigger for water raising = fire arrows only with scarecrow. Setting up for RI warp then fucking it wastes even more time.

Optimally you'd get FW but if you're not going to RI then... I'm not sure where it saves time. It takes like 20 seconds to cast the thing, so without RI it has to save a good amount of backtracking to be worth it. You need way to skip Fire Arrows in the shadow trial (maybe hoverslide over and cast dins next to the torch, or something) in order to consider CS skipping the water medallion.

Came up with a pretty consistent silver block skip. Do you guys want a video. (its yours my friend as long as i get 20 likes....JK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvpMxD09z8k
Semi reliable....maybe.

New WR :D 3:31:43 easy sub 3:30 can be done. :)

Whoa, so did you have fewer mistakes or something?

That and did some timesavers such as the spirit BK skip, there were some bad mistakes which make me wonder how i was still able to get an okay time.

Spirit BK skip? Do you perhaps mean the torch slug trick?

Bens back :D and no
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LB5Ia38xCw
More videos, hope youre happy ;) (bit late, but who cares)

Yes I am back... sort of... However it will take a long time to get back in the loop. I'm going to practice all of this new shit in the plane ride home. I hope to get another run in soon.

well I've perfected spirit bk skip... Are there any other new tricks for MST that I missed?

I did not like the way the shadow gate clip was done, so I gave it a try myself, what that do you know, I found an extremely easy way to successfully perform this trick 100% of the time. I've never failed at it so far.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fp7-_4_5C0
I hope that'll make it easier for everyone.

Very nice job CloudMax ;)

Wait... wouldn't forest escaping be faster with deku stick TSC? I mean someone did say that it was possible. If we do that we could potentially skip a blue rupee in the forest and we wouldn't have to read the deku nut text after first getting one. I mean it wouldn't be much faster, but wouldn't it be a little bit faster?

So are we skipping another key in the forest temple now? I'm assuming the stalfos key?

Guys one more thing... I think it's time to get serious... yes, I mean I think it's time we start messing with WW using RI as adult Link. I don't think we should make the warps necessary to our route, so failing won't screw us over to bad, however I thick it's time we find some time savers with it.

The bow room stalfos dont spawn if you dont kill the ones below, were skipping the entrance key.
As for RI warping, you cant warp to cutscenes with that, only skip them. The only reason Fire works is because of that cutscene where the volcano returns to normal. (i think)

Entrance key? You mean the one in the first room? Don't we need that one?

Well skipping them still seems pretty good to me. I think it's definitely something that should be included.

Gets stalfos key, uses Sot, enters garden room, DJ or hover to hand room, gets key, block puzzle etc. So no.

What I wonder is: Is is actually faster to skip the key in the very first room compared to skipping the room at the garden.
It feels like hookshoting up the vine and get the key is faster than the other key. :0

i used 2 keys in a forest temple run before this was even mentioned, figured people were doing it i guess not rofl

I think I've, like, said everything in this post before but I had nothing better to do so I typed it up.

I heard RI warping was hard. What you should do is just try doing it for practice. Try and get a feel for the timing as you run up to the blue warp. Probably try BA to learn the timing for actually warping (it's a lot harder for adult dungeons, but iirc somewhere near the end of the fade-out is multi-frame window). If you can get it sometimes, try just casting FW somewhere in your runs (possibly the dungeon entrance since you wouldn't have to RI, but maybe somewhere closer to where you'd want to go next) and just make an attempt at it?

For Fire you're going to need a cutscene to warp into, but I can't think of anything worth warping into. My best guess is that you should warp into the door of time opening cutscene. Since the door is already open, it should be super short, and it's possible that LACS will play instead, if you do Fire last. If you can't find a good entrance to use to warp to ToT without entering the ToT, you'd use Outside ToT->ToT (unless LACS->ToT doesn't crash). Looking at the WW table, the best I can really see is Desert Colossus->Fairy Fountain, so IDK if that's faster than just doing the extra savewarp and then watching the shorter DoT opening CS later (this is assuming LACS really does play instead). Fire Medallion CS isn't really that long, though.

Maybe it'll do that.
Example: If you have enough medallions to trigger the LACS cutscene when you enter the ToT for the very first time after turning adult, you'll trigger the LACS and the sheik intro cutscene won't trigger until you run back to the pedestal.
LACS had priority over that one when entering ToT. However, since WW simply forces you into a cutscene, It feels like it should force that cutscene even though there is another active one there too?
I'm sure mzx knows the answer. :p

If RI turns out to be feasible... do you think you could look into skipping Fire Arrows? I think you just need a way to get across the shadow trial... hoverslide to the torch and use dins? Hookshot jump using the chest or something? IDK.

Yea ill check it out.

I started looking into it too. Is it possible to reach the golden gauntlets chest from the switch with only the hookshot? That's something I don't know. It has been able to reach places where I did doubt it could reach.

Hookshot reaches Gaunts chest also.......A NEW WR!!!!! ;D very happy with this run.....time 3:24:17 WOOHOO...now to start recording attempts etc. A few mistakes but saved more with "keep master sword" etc. Sub 3:25 wow

Nice, it seems the time is steadily dropping.

In normal OoT, hookshotting back to the gaunt chest is a pixel-perfect thing that people often used ISG for. It's not really important though b/c however you got over to the switch in the first place you could just do that again... and probably it would still be faster than watching the water CS to set up for fire arrows.

I'm not sure if anyone does this, but I found some short time savers in the fire temple. First you can hoverslides or mega jump in the room with the red block you push and the 2 torch slugs. It saves a little time if you get it first try. Also (I haven't tested,  but it should work, but instead of hitting the switch to make the flame ring around the hammer disappear and watching the short animation, you can probably just get hit by the fire keese close to the chest and open the chest while you're invulnerable. Also I'm having a lot of trouble with the new BK skip. I haven't even succeed ed once yet.

I don't think you can get the Hammer that way because the fire ring is pretty big and won't let you go through it. This trick works in Spirit I think because the fire ring is so small you can push into it just enough to reach the chest. I've only tried once though, so maybe there's a way.
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The current MST route
http://pastebin.com/EAUQwWM9

I'm still not sure about the dungeon order still, since shadow can be completed before forest. I personally would do shadow-forest-fire-water-spirit, but I'm not sure about what you think. Doing shadow first would skip a key in Forest, and I'm sure you could handle Volvagia with eight hearts and an optional fairy. I'm trying cutscene skips now and they're not as bad as I had originally thought. I'm glad about the Nayru's Love fountain- Desert Collossus is there. That's something useful for me  ;)

*Edit: So my game crashed when I attempted the Wrong Warp.  :'( Do I have to watch a specific cutscene in order for this to work?
*Edit#2: I think it might be because I haven't watched the light arrow cutscene yet. I'm going to check.
*Edit#3: Okay, so it's not Nayru's Love Fairy Fountain- Desert Collossus, it is Desert Collossus-Nayru's Love Fairy Fountain. The one that is in the pastebin leads to a crash. Also, Link has a really funny glitched animation after warping.

Thanks for the heads up Fox. That was a really silly mistake of mine :P
Might I ask what king of animation it was? Like what did it look like?

It looked like he was underneath the floor as apart of the reflection in the temple. Also, he appeared at the Master Sword, and Sheik is not there so the Prelude cutscene does not activate. I also think that the Light Arrow cutscene might not activate upon warping here.

My God... new WR!!! 3:18:47!!! sub 3:20 has been done!!! Bwuhahahahahah! um... eh-hem. So yeah, the best part about this is that there is still so much time to save! Sub 3:10 is possible, it really is! Big mistakes were hellfire 2 (-2:00), for some reason Navi wouldn't talk to me again when I had to do the Navi dive (-2:00), several failed mirror shield early (-2:00-3:00). I did not do fire temple bk skip because I suck at that. Also I have no split because I was watching Twitch on my phone while in the run, and because of my lack lack of resource, I use my phone for splits.

Nice job. What do you think you can improve?

Thanks
Hmmmm.... well I guess like if it was absolutely perfect with this route, like almost TAS perfect, it could definitely be 3:00. However, that's unrealistic, so I'm going to say that with a damn good run, like more like Cosmo good, it could probably be more like a 3:05. I had no medallion CS skips in my run, so add that in and you could get a pretty good time if you can get some of them. Right now I'm just gonna set my goal at sub 3:10

Ooh! 200 posts! :o

Nice ben :) i didnt know you beat me a month ago though :( should have told me :(

Well now that Glinks recording the tricks with his amazing cap device and you making good MST runs while im getting inconsistent..im probably chilling in the background 8)
Bye....?

Na I just did it like 6 hours ago. For some reason when I submit my time it shows that it was submitted a month ago :/

don't go you're my only real competition :(
....I guess that is till Neolink gets good, if he actually pursues this game.

Delete you time and resubmit it, edit doesnt change the date :) Can you chat in IRC about different strats?

Yeah I'll be on at different times but it might be hard to be on at the same time with time zone differences. I'll be glad to discuss strats at anytime we are both on :)

New WR of 3:12:14.2. This was kind of a bad run actually. Adult was pretty good up until fire which was alright... However, my child was horrible! I think I wasted minutes on hellfire and other small things. I'm guessing 3:05 is possible with no RI FWWW.

Split pic: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8458/8018798051_d76e4dbc97_z.jpg
This is my first full MST with splits so I have some "best splits" but then they're all the same at one point because I stopped the run where I took those splits. I split everything when the text says "You go the ___". Also "Trials Complete" was actually split when the barrier dissipating CS started even though I should have started when I shot the arrow :P
Finally I stopped the timer at least 5 seconds late because I had clicked on a different Window and my hot keys weren't working :P

Almost got a heart attack :o Careful next time >:( im dead fucking serious.

BTW i think we need to do a test, what is the fastest adult dungeon route.

Oh damn sorry about that...

Right now, my route is Forest, Shadow, Water, Spirit, Fire... It seems pretty fast to me, providing a place to warp to after almost every dungeon with the exception of getting to Water and fire, but nocturne gets closer to shadow than ToT would get you if you savewarped.

New WR of 3:09:13, so almost exactly 3 minutes saved my splits are saying I can save 3 minutes but I know I can get sub 3:00. I lost a lot of time in Deku and Jabu and and I failed the new fire strats for 2 minutes and lost the time I could've saved... so it's possible but it'll be hard.

Splits: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8179/8038397332_61994a7737_z.jpg
         http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8040/8038392639_9e19e16d79_z.jpg

You tried maze skip during MST :o

I'm pretty good at maze skip now after several hours of practice. Unfortunately, I was low on bombs and when I clipped the first time I somehow pushed back by the flames despite how fast I was going. Luckily I fell I didn't land in soe room oob and just fell off the map and respawned at the beginning of the room or I would have lost way more time. So I probably have like 4 minutes to make up there. The funny thing is that I still managed to save time on that split :P I guess it was from bk skip...

So could it maybe be an option to finally complete shadow first? You can equip the hover boots during a mega sidehop to get across the gap like they do in normal MST, so I don't know what the problem really is here.

hey babes. Just checking in with all this MST business. I see that TheWayfaringFox's new PB, which isn't far behind ben's WR, is pretty damn good. Fox, you said that your time is due to a route change. Just curious, what exactly is your route? does it involve CS skips and the fire temple WW?

Hi neo. Long time no see :D Fox switched the dungeon order a little. I think shadow is completed fully or something like that. I suggest helping with death hole warping, because it might change the MST route radically.

So this route needs to be worked on soon so people will start running it again. I have several questions to start:
Keep FW B route for child?
Bongo WW?
Hover boots as adult before hookshot?
Adult dungeon order?
I just want to provoke some thought here.

http://pastebin.com/f39hA98s New route idea made for MST finally. Feedback?

This route would definitely be cool to watch, however, there seems like an lot of frame perfect things would have to go your way in order to get a good time. Like I'm ok with some risky strats, but this route has a lot. I think it may be faster than the current route if you got like 1 or 2 of the RI CS skips.

Oh man.... I cant wait to try run it.
I wonder how much time it saves.

Hmm. The RI cs skips as adult are just timesavers though. Spirit only saves around 40-50 seconds if done fast enough, so it's your choice on whether or not to do it. As for the Water CS skip, I haven't timed that cutscene yet, so I don't know how much time it will save. Forest does save around 2 minutes if done right. I also forgot all the OI's I put in too so...
These tricks mainly should be buffered anyway though, because at that point they're the most consistent.

Might as well just post this here: http://pastebin.com/NyQUfmX6

I don't really understand this line:
"Damage down to 1 HP from GS in lots-o-pots" (l.75)
What are GS and lots-o-pots ?

Ehehehe....

Lots of pots means the guard house in the market, that has...well lots of pots.

GS means Gold skulltula. It deals 1 heart of damage.

OK sorry I play the game in french and when I looked on internet I found nothing lol
Thanks ;)

They actually deal 1 heart... get it right Toast DansGame

Kappa

In the actual MST route on the website it says:
"Death Hole Wrong Warp to the unloaded Forest Temple basement
Enter boss door loading zone"

Well I managed to DHWW to the unloaded basement but I can find the boss door loading zone.
I tried a few directions (left, right, backwards and forward) but the only thing I managed to do is to jump out of bounds...

Can you really access to the boss room by this way ?

You do realize that is not the up to date route? I never got around to changing it....

video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OopsWHwSfgg

Yeah but I don't know why I thought you could enter the forest temple boss room normally... I guess I forgot the DHWW mode was still on :s
Thanks for the video though ;)

This has nothing to do with DHWW. You can do this without DHWW. What you're doing I think is like getting inside the railing because they're unloaded or something and from there you can get into the boss loading zone

Actually what I really want to do is to find a easy way to skip forest medallion cutscene (because it's very long...)
So easy means without RI FWWW
What I was thinking of was to do like in your MST route with Morpha: set FW, enter the blue warp and return FW to skip the cutscene but all of this has to be done with this DHWW mode on (I don't know the exat term for this mode...)
But the problem is that I totally forgot while attempting to enter the boss room it'll warp you somewhere else because this mode is still on

Anyway I'm thinking of practicing a little bit these RI FWWWs because of their use to warp to silver gaunlet CS
So if someone has a video of a cool method or setups to perform them easly I'd be delighted ;)

By the way I have an other question: are these FWWWs independant from the boss room ?
I mean if I set a FW somewhere and then attempt FWWW from volvagia room or from gohma's room will the result be the same ?

Any route you do, you will do FWWWs... they're just too useful man. If you wanna learn this game, I'm sorry to say it's pretty much essential.

There really is no setup for these warps... there are some individual setups for each different one, but most are stupid and slow, and if you can do RI then you're screwed anyways.

Any adult dungeon FWWW will simply skip the medallion CS and take you where ever the warp is placed, which can be anywhere, with the exception of the fire temple. Child dungeon warps and the fire temple are a little more complex and will take you where ever the values line up which can be a little odd as you probably know. All of these types of warps will crash unless this warp you directly into a CS setup because the game is trying to load a CS directly after these warps. The way the game handles these is different from the console version, thus why ganondoor does not work.

Going to make a beginner's mst route for new people wanting to play this game.

Quick update for those who are unaware, the bottle is now skippable in MST with three new tricks that were found. I will hopefully update all of the ZSR routes soon.

youtube.com/watch?v=1w-Ny52Plv4
youtube.com/watch?v=CZVeuBlxMNk
youtube.com/watch?v=dsAZb2U9aJ8