OoT3D: 100% Segmented Discussion [NG+ Saw]

[benstephens1000]

No I agree Norkix because in order to warp to Nocturne, we'd need to go all the way to go all the way to Kakiriko Village, and then to the Kokiri forest. However you only have to go to the Lost Woods to set your warp to WW to Gauntlets CS. Plus I forgot about the skulltulas. This will definitely be a better choice. Also can't we get some of the child spirit skulltulas as adult link?

[Norkix]

Um... I dunno, ben. I suppose I could check later this morning.

[TheWayfaringFox]

We don't need to grab the two in child spirit until we become adult. You can reach the child Spirit area by  hookshot clipping the torch. 

[Norkix]

New Seg routes, updated to be more explanatory and streamlined.

To let you all know how I route, each bullet on this route will be an entire area's worth of actions. Each bullet will end with an exit point for that area. It makes the segments seem longer, but I'm just being detailed. GS = Gold Skulltula; HP = Heart Piece; <3 x.xx = Total Heart count

Seg 1:
-To KF
-Rupee route to Sword (20 rupees), turn right and climb Saria's house for bridge rupee (25 rupees), enter Mido's house
-two 5 rupee chests (35 rupees), exit
-5 rupees behind house (40 rupees), pond-hop rupees (45 rupees), enter-exit shop, pond-hop again (50 rupees), enter shop
-5 rupees behind counter, buy shield, buy nuts, exit (0 rupees)
-WWT escape, to Hyrule Field (5 rupees)
-To Castle Town
-To market
-Talk to Malon, to Hyrule Castle
-Leave and reenter (gets Malon in map), get Wierd Egg, head to Talon (you can jump from the bridge to the upper area without getting caught by bridge guard, its pretty lenient), to Courtyard
-Pwn guards with sidehops
-Lullaby
-To KV
-Trade Saw, equip sword, Cucco bottle, Impa house HP (3.25 <3), To Graveyard
-Bugs from rock, Sun's Song, Sun's Song HP (3.5 <3), to KV
-to DMT
-to GC
-Darunia deku sticks, staircase Deku stick, to Lost Woods
-Soil GS in Deku clearing, get more bugs from grass, to SFM
-Saria's song, S&Q

Segment 2:
-To LW, Follow-Along HP (3.75 <3), to GC
-Bracelet, Dancing Jar HP (4 <3)
-To DMT
-Open Cavern, Backflip on top for HP (4.25 <3) enter cavern, S&Q

Segment 3
DC 100%, reenter and S&Q (5.25 <3)

I'll have more details on Segment 3 later, haven't actually completed testing it yet. Tell me what you guys think of the improvements, give me feedback, toast can complain about irrelvant stuff, watever.

[TheWayfaringFox]

Wouldn't it be faster to make segment one open the path to LW? It would save around 5 minutes of backtracking.

[benstephens1000]

I agree with Fox on that.
Also, any reason we have to buy the shield? We can just advance text with b to get the mini map and then get the shield in DC. This also sves us from getting a burnt shield from troll fires keese.

[Norkix]

... Yeah. Yeah I guess it would. I think that's why Tom's original route had us go get Saria's Song in Segment 1... Damn, I'm an IDIOT! Thanks, Fox (reference intended )

I thought you needed the shield in order to click through the text... lol, but now i think about, the Deku nut breaks the sign, and that's what makes WWT work. Okay, I'll edit the route again.

Edit: updated the route.

[benstephens1000]

Nah just advance text with b.
For rupees I suggest behind Mido's house (I think it's his house), pond hop, and behind the counter.

[Norkix]

^ waaaaay ahead of ya, bro.

I'm going to disappear for a bit (chores ), be back in like an hour and a half.

[benstephens1000]

So if we can get all of the spirit skulltulas with adult link, I guess there's really no need to WW to Silver gauntlets CS, so I suggest we just. WW to the double Saria CS. However, I'm sure there are still several others that work well. For instance,  a good one is Zora's Fountain - > JJB. You'll get text saying you learned the Sun's Song,  oob, and re spawn JJB. This is good because it'll be easy to set the warp because you'll be right there as soon as you get FW. Right now,  just about anything is better than the creation CS

[Norkix]

Ben, I was right: we do need shield. Otherwise, when you use B to bring up the minimap, you pull out the Saw, cancelling the WWT. I'll edit the route AGAIN to have the 55 rupee route. Again, please tell me if I can organize them better.

[benstephens1000]

Damn I forgot about the saw... I'm doubting this would work, but would the new navi method of WWT prevent you from needing a shield?

[Norkix]

No, ben. No it won't and you forget that we get Hylian Shield on the way out of graveyard, so there is no fear of being trolled by Keese.

DC 100%
-Blow up wall, right side of room, blow up wall
-Use Baby Dodongo to blow up wall, grab Skulltula, to Lizalfos fight.
-Lizalfos fight: 4-cycle by using a normal slash then a jump attack.
-Light torches
-Press switch, to other side
-Lower Staircase, Vine GS
-Backflip trick onto Armos, Switch
-Cross bridge
-Hellfire Skip 1
-Lizalfos 2
-Hellfire Skip 2
-Get Bombs
-Lower jaw
-DO NOT GET TROLLED BY KEESE! GS behind bomb wall in back, kill KD

[r0bd0g]

How much time does NG+ Saw save? You could get the Saw pretty quickly with FW to get back and forth to LW. I mean it seems obvious that it does save some time but it is really enough to want to run NG+ instead of NG? But then I had a weird idea to head for Deku right away and leave with the Sling. You could use the sling in DC I guess but you could probably also use it to CS skip ZL using the guard's bomb. That might be an OK idea but I'm not sure it is if you can't just equip sword and go past Mido normally.

Your route gets bracelet before saria's song somehow. You might want to fix that.

Could Saria's House -> Kokiri Forest work for a WW to Nocturne from Deku? I heard it crashed, which would be a shame... Having Nocturne early could save some time here and there because of the warp itself, not even counting the shadow early?

[benstephens1000]

Yeah R0bd0g I've tested that Nocturne WW several times and it always crashes.
I semi agree about NG+ saw. I'm curious how much time it really does save.
What do you mean about using a guard's bomb to CS skip ZL?