BiT Research Topic

[Kazooie]

So you can't skip sailcloth because of this stupid thing? Have anyone proofed this yet? What about if you sleep to night in academy and then go to his room and sleep to morning? Or is his door locked at night?

[CloudMax]

Here's the Fire Sanctuary timesaver I mentioned in my last post: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YGWQhLdP9w

It is funny to battle against that Dark Lizalfos. He will block every single attack you do on him, and then he resets unless you hit him fast enough.
So I tried all my items and noticed that it is possible to stun him with the whip, and if you put away the whip and attack fast enough, you can get a hit on him, then just spin attack and use finishing blow on him.

I also tried to see if you could get past the other gate during BiT, it turns out that you can.

[KingOfHeart]

I misworded my post.
I meant can you clip through the school to get to his room?
For now we should just wait and see what happens when it's time to talk to him.
It's hard to come up with theories without at least being able to test them.

You can't talk to him at night because he's taking a bath

[Zm4rf]

He isn’t saying you can’t get into the academy, he’s saying you can’t get into the room of the instructor who teaches you the spiral charge.

Unless some sidequest event unlocks his door (doubtful) the only potential way into his room would be a BiTWW. We might have to get the sailcloth afterall. =/

Is the thunderhead locked until you get the spiral charge? Because there was some video of a guy fighting the M(?)ilobyte by landing directly on Levias without charging any of the eyeballs.

[CloudMax]

Is the thunderhead locked until you get the spiral charge? Because there was some video of a guy fighting the M(?)ilobyte by landing directly on Levias without charging any of the eyeballs.

You have to unlock it before going to levias, but the thunderhead unlocks way before that. You go to thunderhead after the 3rd temple.
Levias is after the 6th(?) temple.

[Zm4rf]

Ah right, the isle of songs, I forgot.

I'm guessing Levias doesn't appear until the teacher dude has taught Link the spin dash?

[TheOthin]

Ah right, the isle of songs, I forgot.

I'm guessing Levias doesn't appear until the teacher dude has taught Link the spin dash?

He doesn't appear until you bring him the soup, and you can't get the soup until you get the spin dash.

Although if it's possible to complete the Thunder Dragon quest early, I wonder if that might help by triggering something.

[Abahbob]

I'm almost at lvl6 on my BiT save. I'll hurry up and finish to see if the door remains locked. Warping in there is so unlikely, but maybe warping from Zelda's bed would work. It's a 1 in a million chance though.

Turns out Sailcloth skip gets you stuck. Dead-end. Only useful in harp runs.

[KingOfHeart]

Before you give up, can you at least post a video of the situation?

[Abahbob]

Trust me, there is no way. If there was, it would be way longer than just getting it. I was thinking maybe finishing the Cawlin's letter, but i doubt it. If you want a video, just skip sailcloth and go into academy. Hit + and you can see the map. Try going into most rooms. That is the situation.

[mzxrules]

Post a save of it in the save topic then?

[CloudMax]

Would we save time by doing BiTW after rescuing the loftwing to skip the ceremony intro? I am not sure how long that intro really is.

Also, we can still skip most of the Fi Escort even if we get the sailcloth by saving at the first statue after exiting the house during night, BiTW & then enter the statue of goddess. But I do not know how much time this would save either. I would assume that it is slightly faster though.

This will not save much time, but it's something.

Edit:
During BiT, if you kill yourself, then choose Continue and load a file at the same time, you will warp to the location you were supposed to respawn during BiT.
So if I for example enter the goddess statue during BiT, kill myself in there with bombs, then load a file and press continue at the same time, I will load the file and spawn in the goddess statue.

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In the sand ship, wouldn't we save time by saving at the statue at boss door when we get 2nd key, BiTWW to the boss key room, unlock the door to spawn the boss key chest, take the boss key, and deathwarp back down?
Or maybe it's faster to just run to the boss key room? I can't remember how long it takes.

[KingOfHeart]

I have an idea that's probably impossible.
Can you double BIT...or something like that.

Let's take the Ancient Cistern for example. First the normal BIT way.
1. So you save at the entrance bird and do a BIT.
2. Then during BIT you head to the bird statue(near the 2nd floor school entrance) at the school and save & continue your Ancient Cistern game.
3. If I understood right, you'll be back in Ancient Cistern at xyz location.

Now what if you did this instead.
1. So you save at the entrance bird and do a BIT.
2. Then during BIT you head to the bird statue #1 at the school and save but don't continue.
3. Perform a BIT during this BIT mode.
4. Then during BIT you head to bird statue #2 and save & continue your Ancient Cistern game.
Would you be at a different location then if you would of performed a normal BIT and just chose bird statue #2 from the start?

[Argan]

I have an idea that's probably impossible.
Can you double BIT...or something like that.

Let's take the Ancient Cistern for example. First the normal BIT way.
1. So you save at the entrance bird and do a BIT.
2. Then during BIT you head to the bird statue(near the 2nd floor school entrance) at the school and save & continue your Ancient Cistern game.
3. If I understood right, you'll be back in Ancient Cistern at xyz location.

Now what if you did this instead.
1. So you save at the entrance bird and do a BIT.
2. Then during BIT you head to the bird statue #1 at the school and save but don't continue.
3. Perform a BIT during this BIT mode.
4. Then during BIT you head to bird statue #2 and save & continue your Ancient Cistern game.
Would you be at a different location then if you would of performed a normal BIT and just chose bird statue #2 from the start?

In theory, the first save would end up putting you back in skyloft, then the second save would BiTWW you on the skyloft map, which would just put you in front of the statue you saved at. Of course you never know until you try.

[Matt23488]

Would we save time by doing BiTW after rescuing the loftwing to skip the ceremony intro? I am not sure how long that intro really is.

Also, we can still skip most of the Fi Escort even if we get the sailcloth by saving at the first statue after exiting the house during night, BiTW & then enter the statue of goddess. But I do not know how much time this would save either. I would assume that it is slightly faster though.

This will not save much time, but it's something.

I actually messed around with this last night. I think skipping part of the Fi escort using BiT may be a tad faster, but I'm not completely sure. Also, after rescuing the loftwing but before the race, there are two unskippable decently long cutscenes to sit through, so if we can skip those scenes with BiT, it would be nice. I can try playing around with it now to see if it works.

EDIT:

If you do BiT after saving your loftwing, you can go inside a building (like the Bazaar) and come back out to load the actors. Zelda, Groose, Cawlin, and Stritch are at the Plaza, and so is instructor Horwell(?), and the Golden loftwing with the statue (the loftwing isn't solid). If you get close enough to Zelda, the cutscene starts except it has no control over Link. When I did it, after Zelda left the plaza, it pushed me a little bit, and I wasn't visible for the rest of the cutscene. Then the other cutscene starts like normal, then the race. But you can walk around Zelda to avoid triggering the first cutscene, and jump off and call your loftwing. When you mount it, it loads the area outside of Skyloft, except you are in the race, so you can skip the cutscenes with BiT which would be faster.