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« on: December 29, 2011, 04:05:53 am »

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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2011, 06:22:15 am »

Maybe I did something wrong, but it doesn't pan out. Getting the GS is very easy, but then Skyloft is set to after the getting GS and Fi cutscenes. This means that the race has passed. If you try jumping off, you can't call your bird. If you go to where your bird should be, the cage is empty. In addition all cutscenes leading up to the bird (such as zelda, groose, vision as you approach the cave, and zelda after the cave) do not occur. I think it may be impossible to continue as this stands...
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2011, 08:42:40 am »

Fuck me, why didn't I check WW BiT.
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2011, 10:20:30 am »

I do not know if this is new, but when you save at a statue in BiT, it will save over the file that you currently have selected in the file selection menu.
Example:
all 3 save files are empty.
I start a new file on slot 1.
I perform BiT on it.
I run to a statue, press A to activate the file selection menu AND the statue menu.
I select slot 2 in the file menu, but I do not start the file, I just click on it once.
I now save in the statue menu.
Now press B and return in the file selection menu.
You will now see that you have saved over slot 2.

This can be done on any slot. So you basically choose which file you want to save your BiT on.

I now have 2 totally clean BiT saves on slot 1 and 2. The creation date says 01/01/2000 12:00a.m.
The name on the file is a blurred shading.

This also makes night early possible, since the NPCs that block the bridge isn't spawned when skyloft is in its BiT state.


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Here's my attempt at skipping as much as possible in skyloft.
I started out with 3 empty files.

new file (slot 3)
zelda
Save (slot 3)
BiT
BiT Save (slot 2)
Load (slot 2)
Goddess Sword
Groose
Loftwing, save & quit
Load (slot 3)
BiT
BiT save (slot 2)
Load (slot 2)
Emerald Tablet, save & quit
Load (slot 3)
BiT
BiT save (slot 2)
Load (slot 2)

Skips:
-Practice Sword
-Ceremony, Sail Cloth & Fi escorting
-Pouch & Unlocking UI settings

Skipping the ceremony, sail cloth & fi escort should save some time.
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2011, 03:08:26 pm »

So you die while you're in Skyloft to activate BiT? Where can you even do that? Since it sounds like we aren't waiting to get to the waterfall or night.
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2011, 03:11:05 pm »

So you die while you're in Skyloft to activate BiT? Where can you even do that? Since it sounds like we aren't waiting to get to the waterfall or night.

Fall damage. There is a couple of different spots that has enough height to damage you.
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2011, 05:20:16 pm »

For those who were curious, glitching the GS this way and then grabbing the practice sword does nothing. You maintain the GS Tongue

As for dying in Skyloft, you can jump from the Goddess Statue area down to the area below where you normally follow Fi to get up. I'm not sure if there's a more effective way or not.
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2011, 05:26:18 pm »

Testrunner, you need to get the gs and then leave right after, without using skyward strike or using the tablet. It works. There are also some side effects.
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I've noticed that 3 goddess chests are active, and their corresponding cubes are gone. The main point is that the deep woods cube is gone, which slows you down for the skip. Also, as soon as you walk in, the goron text for shooting the cube appears, but sadly you won't warp over there.

The 3 chests have the adventure pouch upgrade, heart piece, and seed pouch. This does not enable early slingshot
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2011, 05:39:50 pm »

Alright, I was able to get it to work using the huge drop behind the statue. That seems rather slow, but it doesn't appear to count for time anyway.

I'm not sure about the Zelda cutscene. You can bypass it by going around the back, but you trigger it later anyway. If it won't trigger later if you view it earlier, it seems better to do so, but that sounds unlikely... The next few things make sense, although I just realized that, once you get in BiT mode, it might be better to save that onto Slot 3, then save it onto the empty Slot 2, so you don't have to worry about triggering it again for the other times. Probably a moot point since you would have the cutscene skips in an ideal situation, though.

To explain in case anyone gets confused like I was: The gates block you from getting to the Goddess Sword, but you can get around them by going near the one near the Goddess Statue and jumping off the edge; you reappear on the other side. From there, the Goddess Statue is open; you can walk right in, grab the Goddess Sword and trigger the cutscene where you get the Emerald Tablet. From there, the cutscene that's supposed to trigger right before you get the Goddess Sword happens. After this, you just have to turn around and leave, since when you place the Emerald Tablet, it permanently removes the events that let you get the Loftwing. You can then get into the save behind the waterfall using the Goddess Sword, but the bird won't be there until you speak to Groose, so you have to view that scene first. When you rescue it, you get a chance to save, which you want to do, then load File 3, since File 2 is about to get locked into the race with no other chance to activate BiT. When you go into BiT with File 3 and save onto File 2, all it does is update File 2 with BiT and leaves it otherwise untouched. From there, you can load file 2, and since you're in BiT again, you can go into the Goddess Statue again and this time place the Emerald Tablet. From here, you can save again, and go to File 3 again to activate BiT a third time, but I'm not sure that's a good idea, since the Adventure Pouch is kinda important. Maybe it's faster to get it later?

Seems that not getting the Adventure Pouch doesn't erase your inventory, but it makes the number of slots 0. I played further from there and went to the Sealed Temple; the bottle there automatically got sent to the Item Check. When I tried to pick it up from there, all eight slots were tan, as if you just hadn't gotten them yet. This makes me think that if you just need one slot for later, it might work to just get one from Beedle, but they're kinda expensive, so it seems unlikely that that could be faster than getting the four for free. Or if that one from the chest works...
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2011, 05:49:22 pm »

First of all, This glitch is a lot of fun, and I'd love to do it in a run. But I don't know if it saves any time. If it's segmented, you can't get the goddess cube skip. Not having the sail cloth may or may not save time. The main concern is imprissoned. You have to go down 4 times. If you just jump down, you'll die (pretty sure it'll do 4 hearts then 2 hearts fall). So you need to walk the spiral around? I guess I'll do more testing
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2011, 05:50:54 pm »

Well saving while in BiT with a blank file in slot 3 has an interesting effect. It makes the slot you were using a blank file, but it keeps the items you get when you save. Hard to explain, just try it out.
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2011, 05:55:10 pm »

Alright, I was able to get it to work using the huge drop behind the statue. That seems rather slow, but it doesn't appear to count for time anyway.

I'm not sure about the Zelda cutscene. You can skip it, but you trigger it later anyway. If it won't trigger later if you view it earlier, it seems better to do so, but that sounds unlikely... The next few things make sense, although I just realized that, once you get in BiT mode, it might be better to save that onto Slot 3, then save it onto the empty Slot 2, so you don't have to worry about triggering it again for the other times.

To explain in case anyone gets confused like I was: The gates block you from getting to the Goddess Sword, but you can get around them by going near the one near the Goddess Statue and jumping off the edge; you reappear on the other side. From there, the Goddess Statue is open; you can walk right in, grab the Goddess Sword and trigger the cutscene where you get the Emerald Tablet. From there, the cutscene that's supposed to trigger right before you get the Goddess Sword happens. After this, you just have to turn around and leave, since when you place the Emerald Tablet, it permanently removes the events that let you get the Loftwing. You can then get into the save behind the waterfall using the Goddess Sword, but the bird won't be there until you speak to Groose, so you have to view that scene first. When you rescue it, you get a chance to save, which you want to do, then load File 3, since File 2 is about to get locked into the race with no other chance to activate BiT. When you go into BiT with File 3 and save onto File 2, all it does is update File 2 with BiT and leaves it otherwise untouched. From there, you can load file 2, and since you're in BiT again, you can go into the Goddess Statue again and this time place the Emerald Tablet. From here, you can save again, and go to File 3 again to activate BiT a third time, but I'm not sure that's a good idea, since the Adventure Pouch is kinda important. Maybe it's faster to get it later?

Seems that not getting the Adventure Pouch doesn't erase your inventory, but it makes the number of slots 0. I played further from there and went to the Sealed Temple; the bottle there automatically got sent to the Item Check. When I tried to pick it up from there, all eight slots were tan, as if you just hadn't gotten them yet. This makes me think that if you just need one slot for later, it might work to just get one from Beedle, but they're kinda expensive, so it seems unlikely that that could be faster than getting the four for free. Or if that one from the chest works...

You just wrote everything that It tested in the IRC a few hours ago lol. Every single thing you did. xD

Anyway, the fastest way I've found to activate BiT is to jump down to the right of the kid that wants you to roll into a tree.
climb back up, and jump down again. And then continue like that. It is relatively fast to do this, 15 seconds for each jump at most. Probably less?

Skipping the ceremony, sailcloth & fi escort quest saves a lot of time. That is basically the only useful BiT in skyloft that I can think of. Or is it faster to skip Practice Sword aswell? I actually don't know. But I can't imagine that it would be faster to skip it.

Also, if you unlock a new pouch slot after skipping the pouch, you still do not have access to the - button. You can however get items there. The problem is that you can't use them. :p

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First of all, This glitch is a lot of fun, and I'd love to do it in a run. But I don't know if it saves any time. If it's segmented, you can't get the goddess cube skip. Not having the sail cloth may or may not save time. The main concern is imprissoned. You have to go down 4 times. If you just jump down, you'll die (pretty sure it'll do 4 hearts then 2 hearts fall). So you need to walk the spiral around? I guess I'll do more testing
You skip like at least 5 minutes if you BiT past the sail cloth. probably more. I am pretty sure it is saves time, even if you have to walk around at the imprisoned.

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Well saving while in BiT with a blank file in slot 3 has an interesting effect. It makes the slot you were using a blank file, but it keeps the items you get when you save. Hard to explain, just try it out.
I have no idea what that even means. I've played with a blank slot 3 a lot. What do you mean by "keeps the items"?
People is really confusing when it comes to BiT.
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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2011, 06:02:10 pm »

When I was testing last night, I dunno if it's just me, but the GS skyward strike seemed to be charging at MS speed... It's definitely the GS though... Maybe it's a hero mode thing and I just haven't noticed?

Also guys don't forget BiT Warping to Skyloft after level 1 and 2. That'll also save like few minutes.
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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2011, 06:10:07 pm »

Have file 3 a blank, unused hero save. Load file 1, BiT, save, reload with no screen. Get the GS and save. Now restart the system. The file looks like a blank save, but after you load it, you will have GS, even though you watch opening cutscene.
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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2011, 06:12:27 pm »

Have file 3 a blank, unused hero save. Load file 1, BiT, save, reload with no screen. Get the GS and save. Now restart the system. The file looks like a blank save, but after you load it, you will have GS, even though you watch opening cutscene.

NewGame+, lol! haha.
But really,  if we find ways to keep more stuff we may actually get a ng+ category.
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