BiT Research Topic

[Paraxade]

ooh shit... found a break in LMF. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGaq78E6jY4

[Abahbob]

Oh fuck yes. Gj GAS. Adding to main post

[Tamis]

ooh shit... found a break in LMF. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGaq78E6jY4

Fuck I was trying to sequence break that door by just highflipping over the fences around it

[Paraxade]

Oh fuck yes. Gj GAS. Adding to main post

uhh... I'm not GAS, but thanks

[TheOthin]

Edit: Found some places where continuing doesn’t take you to a bird statue, but BiT does work. I’m not sure now why it doesn’t work in some places.

Looking back at this, what about boss battles? Are any of them in the "does work" group? Could it be used to get to the loading zones to exit the battles early?

I'll get to testing this later if no one can do it sooner.

[CloudMax]

It should be possible to skip slingshot and the kikwis now if I'm not wrong.
first you use the faron woods BiTWW to skip the first kikwi.
then you use the skyward strike for deep woods early.
after that you use the deep woods BiTWW to get behind skyview temple.
Enter skyview temple.
Now use BiTWW in skyview temple to get into the circle room.
Save and Load. (actors will be missing in the circle room otherwise)
Use a skyward strike on the red crystal to get into the beetle room.

I have not tested it yet. GAS is going to test it for me.

Edit: GAS has confirmed that everything up until the last step works. He has not been able to test the last step yet.

Also, doors are missing so you can't make your way to the boss door.
So after you get the beetle, you use a bird statue to warp out, activate the door switch with the beetle, and then enter the temple again.
This should allow us to complete the temple.

We may be looking at a Slingshot skip here. We just need to test that one last step and see if it works.

[Razor7581]

It should be possible to skip slingshot and the kikwis now if I'm not wrong.
first you use the faron woods BiTWW to skip the first kikwi.
then you use the skyward strike for deep woods early.
after that you use the deep woods BiTWW to get behind skyview temple.
Enter skyview temple.
Now use BiTWW in skyview temple to get into the circle room.
Save and Load. (actors will be missing in the circle room otherwise)
Use a skyward strike on the red crystal to get into the beetle room.

I have not tested it yet. GAS is going to test it for me.

Edit: GAS has confirmed that everything up until the last step works. He has not been able to test the last step yet.

Also, doors are missing so you can't make your way to the boss door.
So after you get the beetle, you use a bird statue to warp out, activate the door switch with the beetle, and then enter the temple again.
This should allow us to complete the temple.

We may be looking at a Slingshot skip here. We just need to test that one last step and see if it works.

Quick question since I haven't played this game yet, if you were to skip the slingshot, or any item for that matter, would you still be able to get it into your inventory during the whole Bokoblin Base sequence?

[CloudMax]

I think you would be able to get it. I can't remember for sure.
We skip slingshot during bokoblin base though.

Also, sadly, our theory didn't work out.

I entered the beetle room, and the miniboss even didn't trigger. =(

[TheOthin]

I think you would be able to get it. I can't remember for sure.
We skip slingshot during bokoblin base though.

Also, sadly, our theory didn't work out.

I entered the beetle room, and the miniboss even didn't trigger. =(

You can get all the items if you trigger the sequence early without most of them - currently impossible without cheats, but still seems to confirm that your previous inventory doesn't matter, at least for the core items.

I don't think we should give up on this. I'll try messing around there.

[Kazooie]

Some BiT stuff from me. Last one is my favorite!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFhU7AH7GX4&feature=youtu.be

[Tamis]

Aw man BiT is fucking this game up so bad Can't wait to see what runs will look like in 10 years

[Paraxade]

Wait Kazooie, that last one in your video... that might actually be very very significant. You should be able to clawshot the vines from there, and if the Fi trigger doesn't extend past the wall, that would mean skipping the ENTIRE Scrapper escort. Someone needs to test this :x

edit: IT WORKS

edit 2: in the Sandship you can wrong warp into the boss key room. Unfortunately actors aren't loaded, you can't reload the room by going through the door at the top without using a small key (which would screw you out of the bow), and save + reload at the bird statue only loads a few of the actors. :/

[TheOthin]

Looking at the early Tree of Life seed, it seems like it should be possible to get it to grow on the first visit to Hylia's Realm, saving some time. From there, you could presumably land back in Lanayru Gorge and complete the Thunder Dragon part of the Song of the Hero quest before actually meeting Levias to start the quest. Would that have any implications for triggering the other parts early as well, so that when you visit Levias to start the quest, you can immediately complete it rather than having to visit him twice?

Also, looking at all those Faron warps CloudMax posted, even if we still need the slingshot, most or all of those warps seem like great timesavers. Which makes what, six BiTs an ideal run would use before even going to Eldin the first time? And then a seventh immediately upon landing in Eldin. Hope the people who will be watching runs of this game like the title screen.

[CloudMax]

Looking at the early Tree of Life seed, it seems like it should be possible to get it to grow on the first visit to Hylia's Realm, saving some time. From there, you could presumably land back in Lanayru Gorge and complete the Thunder Dragon part of the Song of the Hero quest before actually meeting Levias to start the quest. Would that have any implications for triggering the other parts early as well, so that when you visit Levias to start the quest, you can immediately complete it rather than having to visit him twice?

Also, looking at all those Faron warps CloudMax posted, even if we still need the slingshot, most or all of those warps seem like great timesavers. Which makes what, six BiTs an ideal run would use before even going to Eldin the first time? And then a seventh immediately upon landing in Eldin. Hope the people who will be watching runs of this game like the title screen.

The warp in faron woods is useless since we have to catch and find the kikwis now that slingshot skip isn't possible.
The warp in deep woods is useless simply because it isn't faster to perform the warp if you have the slingshot (especially if you use my goddess cube trick).
The warp in skyview temple is useful on the other hand. It will be used during the first and second visit and save quite some time.
During the first visit it is possible to skip almost the entire skyview temple. You use the BiTWW, go to the room with the boss key, enter the door to the far right, then go back and it will be loaded. We have to go back and get the beetle though. I tried to get the hook beetle without the normal beetle and it turns out that you can't equip the beetle. So getting the normal one is a must.

Edit: Added the useful skyview tricks to the ZSR page: http://zeldaspeedruns.com/ss/dungeon/skyview-temple

[Matt23488]

Wow... I stop visiting the board/irc for 1.5 weeks and this happens??

Anyway, I did some testing with BiT warping.

Fire Sanctuary:
Same as ZFG, I forgot that he tested that already.
But I will note that some more testing should be done with this, as it seems that it should be useful in some way.

Behind the Temple in Faron:
All 3 statues lead OoB.

Sealed Temple:
All 3 statues lead OoB. I did not try the Temple of Hylia, but I assume it will be the same.

Sealed Grounds:
All 3 statues lead OoB.

As you can see, no big finds, Hooray! Well at least I tested some spots so others won't have to. I will test more later today probably.
Anyway, great finds TheOnlyOne and GlitchesAndStuff! And those of you who found useful warps as well!

It's too bad you can't save anywhere, that would solve all our problems haha.