OoT MST segmented speedrun

[ZFG]

well, after trying these bomb hovers as child and realizing how ridiculously hard they are i'm seriously considering splitting segment 10 into 2 segments for the void hover. doing just a few of these bomb hovers in a row is hard enough; asking me to do 9 of them after doing the entire dungeon all in one segment is just too much.

thoughts?

Where exactly would you split the segment?

[ING-X]

Where exactly would you split the segment?

basically, right after getting bombs i would hit the switch to raise the platform and save, then next seg i'd ride the platform up and megaflip into the skull, then oob hover, kd, etc.

[Pokey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EPRkOVUDyw

Segment 2 in 1:12.8

[ING-X]

pokey is a butt

[aleckermit]

Where is ssbmproHRC?

[ssbmproHRC]

im right here lol

so the new route is faster by some frames, yes, but i guess its not too much of a deal if go ahead with the old one. i probably start working on it next week again.

[RingRush]

The new route is faster by at least five minutes...more when we incorporate the new well chus and Odd Mush cutscene skip for Forest Temple (we get requiem as child so we can plant bean...but now we already have explosives by the fortress). It is hardly "frames".

[MrGrunz]

Edit: SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT I, RingRush, hit the wrong button and edited your post instead of posting my own reply :X. If someone still has the page open, can they send me the text so I can restore this post. IIRC, his post talked about how requiem was a long cutscene and TASers found out that collosus is faster as adult. Furthermore, he posted a dummy route of the child section that the TAS would use, and maybe console.


The following is what I responded:
Grunz - a while ago we agreed that console should do DC as child for bombs. Furthermore, this makes it so child is slightly faster, or at least equivalent to adult in getting to the collosus. The associated time loss from requiem cutscene, bean planting, bean buying, and playing requiem should more than make up for the faster Spirit Temple.

I didn't realize Odd Mushroom timer warp required a bottle...I thought you could just wait the time down normally. If it requires a bottle, then yes, skip it. If not, I definitely think it would be faster, and give more of a reason for child to head to Gerudo Valley.

The only complication may be day/night cycles. Until someone tests, we can't accurately account for these.

[ING-X]

someone write a new route for this shit

[RingRush]

Yeah this route is way outdated with the new well chus. I might fix it up later...unless I see any new changes or there were other tricks discovered since then, the only changes would be in the child route.

Edit: Oh yeah, SS into tree was also found after this route, and maybe more tricks. I'll evaluate it more closely later.

Edit2: And now that we get chus before desert, it may be worth timing getting the odd mush chest so we can skip the Forest Temple completion cutscene like in 100%. Ah, so many new possibilities!

[LinuzDk]

Okay, so i've decided to take HRC's place and start this MST segmented run.

I'm messing with the route at the time, but i'm haveing some trouble filling out the blanks, i hope some of you out there can help me

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  ---= Ocarina of Time MST segmented Speedrun =---

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Segment 1:
- Pause #1 Just save

Segment 2:
- 21 Rupees (21R)
- Kokiri sword
- Pause #2 Save

Segment 3:
- 29 Rupees (50R)
- Buy Deku shield (10R)
- Buy Deku Stick (0R)
- Pause #3 Eguip Sword, Shield and Deku stick
- Grunz escape (Pokey escape if to difficult)
- Fairy Ocarina
- Skip owl
- WESS to Kakariko
- Gather 4Cuccos
- Cucco ISG dive
- Enter Well
- Pause #4 Save

Segment 4:
- Pokey strats past Skulltula
- Get Deku stick (2DS)
- get 1 key
- Actor glitch
- Kill Dead hand 1 cycle
- skulltula vine clip
- Chu's
- Pause #5 equip chu's| save

Segment 5:
- Exit well
- Rest of the Cucco's
- Get Cucco bottle
- Get bugs under rock
- Exit Kakariko
- Hylian field
- Zora's River
- Blow up boulder (9Chu)
- Grab Cucco
- Buy a bean (89R)
- enter Zora's Domine
- Break jar for Nuts (5DN)
- Break jar for Stick (3DS)
- Megasidehop past KZ (8Chu)
- Jabu Early
- Pause #6 equip Nuts and Bugs| Save

Segment 6:
- Chu switch (7Chu)
- Ruto CS
- Normal to boomerang
- Use 2 Nuts boomerang room
- Pause #7: equip Boomerang over Nuts| Save / if you chu switch in next segment just save

Segment 7:
- Boomerang switch
- Chu megaflip to Switch (6Chu)
- IO switch
- Boomerang switch  _ / _   if have spare chu, then Chu switch
- Pause #8: equip Nuts, Stick and boomerang
- Barrinade pick up HC: (4 hearts)
- pause #9: Save

Segment 8:
- Pokey escape
- Skip owl
- Peahat superslide to GV
- Cucco jump
- Go in fortress
- Pause #10: Equip beans| Save

Segment 9:
- Gate skip
- Backwalk over Quicksand
- Cross haunted wasteland
- Desert Colosses
- Plant bean
- Go in Spirit Temple
- Leave again
- Get requiem
- Pause #11 Equip Chu| Save

Segment 10:
- Pokey Escape
- Peahat superslide to Market
- Buy shield (9R)
- Enter Castle
- Talk to owl
- take damage from Skulltula (1 heart left)
- Seam walk to Talon
- Chu damage boost over moat (5Chu)
- Avoid cheating guards
- Zelda
- ZL cutscene skip (4Chu)
- talk to imba
- enter Market
- to ToT
- DoT skip
- Adult Cs
- Pause #12 Save

this is just a portion of my Route, but i'm haveing some trouble getting to Castle in the last segment becouse it's turned nighttime when i tested my route.

[Runnerguy2489]

Okay, so i've decided to take HRC's place and start this MST segmented run.

Cool. I like this category so seeing a run of it would be nice.

Segment 3:
- 29 Rupees (50R)
- Buy Deku shield (10R)
- Buy Deku Stick (0R)
- Pause #3 Eguip Sword, Shield and Deku stick
- Grunz escape (Pokey escape if to difficult)
- Fairy Ocarina
- Skip owl
- WESS to Kakariko
- Gather 4Cuccos
- Cucco ISG dive
- Enter Well
- Pause #4 Save

You buy a stick and owl skip; and then get another stick in botw. Do you need 2? You also skip the owl again later (and would have to do it a 3rd time) so I'm not sure it's worth it to get the extra 10 rupees and watch the deku stick text.

You may also want to entertain the idea of deku shield from botw if you plan to Grunz escape. I'd at least test it.

this is just a portion of my Route, but i'm haveing some trouble getting to Castle in the last segment becouse it's turned nighttime when i tested my route.

It is possible, both with peahat superslide and with a chuslide. If you can spare a chu it might be worth using one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJx7FXJBLqA

Good luck! I don't know too much about this route so maybe someone more knowledgeable can work out some other route issues with you.

[RingRush]

I actually wouldn't suggest going to Spirit as child. With the new hover tricks, it is possible to skip planting the bean and still be faster. Furthermore, the Requiem cutscene lasts around a minute, so skipping that saves time. Last but not least, adult has bombs to superslide around the desert, outweighing any time saved because child has a faster gate skip.

There are more things I would suggest changing in this route, but instead of listing them all, I'm just going to write a route later today. If I'm in IRC and not writing the route, someone bug me until I start.

[Elminster]

- Break jar for Stick (3DS)

!!!

[RingRush]

Okay, I retooled the route as follows. Some things that need discussion/timing
1) Hylian Shield from market or graveyard
2) Deku Shield from shop or well
3) Any better places for bomb drops? Better places to add tricks like Superslides?

Before it comes up, I'm fairly certain Forest Temple CS skip is not worth it. The full cutscene is about 3:14, but to CS skip it would require A] Watching the minuet CS, B] Getting a bottle, C] Performing the CS skip trick, D] Getting Sun's Song, E] Doing the trading quest (Odd Mush as child is -not- faster, I thought that over a fair ammount before starting), F] Sacrificing the warp to the Deku Tree after the cutscene. The time loss from all of those combined is just too much.

MST Segmented Route v 5.0 (?)
REMINDER: THIS ROUTE IS NOT TESTED FOR DAY/NIGHT CYCLES

Segment 1:
Intro
Sword + Rupees
Save, equip sword

Segment 2:
To shop + rupees
Shield
Pause: Equip Deku Shield
WESS escape
Fairy Ocarina
WESS in Hyrule Field
Cucco dive to well
Save

Segment 3:
Past skulltula with pokey strats
Deku Stick from pot
Actor glitch
Dead Hand + 99 Rupee chest (99 R)
Vine clip to Bombchus (10 C)
Equip bombchus on C-Right,Save

Segment 4:
Exit well
To Zora’s River
Knock down GS and HESS past rocks
Keep on ascendin’
Cucco past waterfall
Pot o’ nuts
Megasidehop past Fatass (9 C)
Jabu early jumpslash
Equip Deku Nuts on C-left, Save

Segment 5:
Chu first switch (8 C)
Ruto
Back up to the entry level, using Ruto on switchs
To Boomerang
Pause, equip boomerang on C-down
Bring Ruto back to second room
Ruto throw
Megaflip after her (7 C)
Place Ruto on switch, to next room
Chu switch and enter boss room (6 C)
Pause, equip Deku Sticks on C-right
Stick it to the man (also boomerang it to him)
Get HC, take blue warp (4 H)
Equip Chu on C-right, Save

Segment 6:
WESS escape again
Peahat SS to market
To castle
Damage self thrice with GS
Get over the moat with damage boostin’ (5 C)
Get past the TSDA clones
Lullaby with cutscene skip (4 C)
Re-enter market
Hylian Shield from bazaar [19 R]
To Temple of Time
DoT skipz
Hit puberty
Equip chus on C-down, equip Hylian Shield, Save

Segment 7:
To Hyrule Field
To Kakariko Village
To Graveyard
To Hookshot
To Chu SS warp to seam (3 C)
Equip Hookshot on C-left, Save in Shadow Temple

Segment 8:
Hookshot first gap
Truth Spinner
To Hover Boots
Equip Hover Boots, Save

Segment 9:
Backwalk hover past the first two gaps
Pause, equip Kokiri Boots
Acute angle Jslash
Boat
Small Key & Boss Key
Chu Pillar (2 C)
Hover Boot across the invisible floor room
Get lucky and kill Bongo Bongo + HC (5 H) [Skip this HC if you can 2 cycle Volvagia w/ bk skip using only 8 hearts]
Back to Kakriko
Up to DM, enter DC
Save

Segment 10:
Blow up first wall (1 C)
Jump to first switch
Chu staircase (0 C)
Pause, equip bombs on C-down
To Bomb bag (20 B)
Bomb eyes (18 B)
Enter mouth
Jump to block, push it into hole
Bomb floor above KD  (17 B)
Two-cycle KD (15 B)
Goron’s Ruby, get HC (6 H)
Up DM to magic (use seam + superslide, use Ocarina bomb trick while blowing up rock before fountain) (12 B)
Megaflip down, Bolero CS skip (10 B)
Megaflip again, head to Goron City (9 B)
Hookshot up, blow up rocks (Ocarina trick to take 5.5 H damage) (8 B)
Through Lost Woods, megaflip or HESS somewhere (7 B)
GJ to of maze (6 B)
Minuet CS skip (5 B)
Play Minuet
Hookshot up to Forest
Save

Segment 11:
Typical Forest route to bow (someone flesh this out, I’m lazy) (2 B)
Save

Segment 12:
BK skip
Phanton Gantom
Get Heart Container and blue warp (7 H)
SS clip into Deku tree (1 B)
Equip Deku Nuts on C-right, Save

Segment 13:
Hook to the top
Jump down + jslash reflection + web clip
Kill all scrubs
Now that you are an adult, show Gohma your nuts
HC and blue warp (8 H)
Save

Segment 14:
Exit market
SS to Hylia (0 B)
One spinslash, 3 bomb drops (15 B)
House clip and to Water
Equip Hover Boots, Bow on C-right, Save

Segment 15:
Hoverslide to far edge (14 B)
Water BK skp (9 B)
Morfaaa
Heart Container and Water Medallin (9 H)
Superswim to Fire Arrows (8 B)
Superswim back to shore (7 B)
Three bomb drops from grass (20 B)
To field
SS --> ESS to desert (19 B)
Hoverslide across bridge (18 B)
To GV
Save in fortress

Segment 16:
Get caught, Hoverslide gateskip (17 B)
Through the desert (add in an ESS somewhere(16 B)
Hover up to Seam outside of Spirit Temple (3 B)
Hookshot up to Silver Gauntlets chest
SS across to Mirror Shield (2 B)
Pause, equip Fire Arrows on C-right and Mirror Shield
Anubis + Beamos room [bomb drop from beamos] (6 B)
Hookshot clip face (5 B)
Spirit BK skip (2 B)
Twinrova + no HC
Equip Ocarina on C-right, Save

Segment 17:
Play Bolero
Bomb drop from rocks outside temple (7 B)
Enter Fire Temple
Darunia small key
Save

Segment 18:
Small keys in lava room (5 B)
Ride that block
Bomb push through wall (4 B)
Small key from nearby jail, climb up wall
Small key from other upper jail
SS through fire wall room (3 B)
Blow up door in front of flare dancer, break one bomb pot while waiting (7 B)
Kill Flare Dancer
Up to Megaton Hammer
Pause, equip Megaton Hammer on C-right, bow on C-left
Fire Temple BK skip (3 B)
Two cycle Volvagia
Fire Medallion and save

Segment 19:
Light Arrow CS
Rainbow Bridge CS
Equip Fire Arrows on C-left, Save

Segment 20:
To Forest Trial
Light torchs w/ fire arrows
Pause, Equip Light Arrows on C-left, Hookshot on C-down
Silver rupee room
Destroy forest barrier
To Water Trial
Hookshot clip freezard
Bow clip second red ice
Destroy water barrier
Pause, Equip Fire Arrows C-left
To Shadow Trial
Fire arrow the torch, hit switch
Hookshot chest, Golden Gauntlets
Second part of Shadow w/o lens
Pause, Equip Light Arrows C-left, Bombs C-Down, Ocarina C-Right
Destroy shadow barrier
To Fire Trial
Collect rupees
Superslide w/ hover boots to get to end (2 B)
Destroy fire barrier
To Light Trial
Get keys, ZL
Pause, Equip Hookshot on C-Right
Silver rupees
Destroy light barrier
To Spirit Trial
Rupees in first room
Chu chest, Equip Chus on C-Right, Fire Arrows on C-left, chu switch
Burn web w/ fire arrows
Equip Light Arrows on C-left, Deku Nuts on C-right
Destroy spirit barrier
Enter upper castle and save

Segment 21:
Various enemy samplings
SS up spiral staircase (1 B)
LA SKIPZ (or use LA)
Crumbling castle
SS into Ganon to keep MS (0 B)
Prepare for the finishing blow and...
Game crash, internal battery runs dry, hahahahahahahahaha