SS: Trick Research & Discovery

[TheOthin]

Guys. We NEED a long jump technique.

I found out that if you visit the Fire Dragon early and then leave his room before talking to him, Eldin will be set up for the bokoblin base part. ALL the chests with items in them are there. You can also deathwarp to get into the cage and get the Mogma Mitts. This'd completely break the game.

Three things stop you from going to visit him early:

-The Fi trigger preventing you from going to the summit without the Fireshield Earrings
-We need a way to get onto the ledge to the right of where the chest with the adventure pouch is
-If we can get up that last ledge, there's immediately a river of lava we would have to cross.

If we find a long jump technique theoretically it would solve all three of those problems. Someone find it.

Also, for the record, if you deathwarp into the cage, you'll still have all your items. Also, the Master Sword is the only thing that's not there, so we aren't getting the True Master Sword early.

Echoes gets broken by item loss skip, Skyward Sword stands to get broken by item loss early?

If that works, I wonder if all the flames are necessary. Getting to Lanayru afterward, it sounds like you could potentially just use the Clawshots to jump right into the Sand Sea and complete the Sandship to get the Goddess White Sword immediately, skipping Ancient Cistern entirely. And that's assuming you even need that much.

I'm assuming you've already tested this with cheats. Does it allow you to get the Water Dragon Scale or Fireshield Earrings along with the other things, if those items will even be needed if (when) we can get the skip to work? Have you played farther to test other implications like this?

[Paraxade]

Miles mentioned that beating the Sandship screwed him out of being able to get the Water Dragon Scale. And apparently you need Fireshield Earrings to trigger the "go get the water from Faron" event before Fire Sanctuary.

Anyway, I found out you can highflip over the chain link barrier towards the back of the deck on the Sandship, so you can get to where the bow chest is during the part where you're supposed to climb the mast. I thought that would let you progress through the dungeon without climbing the mast, but it turns out the door is unloaded and won't open, so nope. :/

Also more useless stuff yay

[TomNook120]

I tested early small key in AC with this. Sadly it doens't work. With highflip you get same distance as with normal backflip. All what it does is that your backflip is higher. I don't think this trick will lead anything new yet but go try it out! Maybe we can get something with this someday...

I think it should be called Dropflip. And wow you guys did much in 2 days I was gone! mzxrules, you have BiT from what I read, do you have time measurements or uses for this yet? I remember in TP you had a good grip on that same thing, and i'd like to test with that

[Riddley]

Do you guys think the highflip could be used during Ghirahim(3)? If you use it to jump the barriers to reach him faster. Could save you a lot of time from fighting Bokoblins. Don't know if its been tried or mentioned.

There might be places where the ground is a bit steeper and if you angle it well you might make it over. I sadly over saved my game with hero mode so I'm unable to test it in forever :\ Will be doing glitch runs now, hoping I'll find something.

[CloudMax]

I think it should be called Dropflip. And wow you guys did much in 2 days I was gone! mzxrules, you have BiT from what I read, do you have time measurements or uses for this yet? I remember in TP you had a good grip on that same thing, and i'd like to test with that

Dropflip just sound odd.
It explains how the trick is performed better, sure.
But it does not explain what the heck the glitch does. xD

Highflip explains exactly what the glitch is, and I think we should keep it like that. The poeple in the IRC agreed on this when I asked yesterday.

BiT was found a long time ago. and the game just crash when you do it.

Here is a video of the new AC basement skip using highflip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTlwJQ8a4as

So, there you have it. the first useful trick found using highflip.
I have a few more places in mind that I'll try later. Maybe none of them works. Who knows.

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Edit:
Okay, I found another AC basement skip method. this one uses a backflip, not a highflip. I have a decent setup for it so that I get it first try almost every time.
If you fail to do it the first time, it takes less than a second to try it again.
http://www.twitch.tv/cloudmax94/b/301490196
start watching at 1:55
My highlights have started to freeze again.. It'll be up on youtube later.

[Kazooie]

Some new ways to do highjump and highflip. Read youtube despriction about this trick!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rerB_RH4zsI

We need to get this work everywhere!!

EDIT: mzrules should update first post to have all tricks!

[Riddley]

hold left on dpad to walk through walls & other obstructions [wiiztec] [NTSC]
043407D8 4BFFF669
0434081C 4BFFB735
28599D0C FFFE0001
043407D8 60000000
0434081C 60000000
E0000000 80008000

I ported this one to PAL and changed the input from D-pad left to D-pad right.

Hold D-pad right to go through walls [wiiztec] [PAL]
04340D68 4BFFF669
04340DAC 4BFFB735
2859B28C 00000002
04340D68 60000000
04340DAC 60000000
E0000000 80008000
*ported by Riddley

I'm gonna port this one now moonjump right on dpad [wiiztec]. I'll try and make it left on the d-pad. If any PAL players have any requests I can try and do it, but I cannot promise anything since I've never done this before and I'm using notepad and windows calc....lol. I think I'm getting the hang of it though.

EDIT: Heres the moonjump with d-pad left as input. can be done grounded or in air, unlike the other one with A+B.
moonjump left on dpad [wiiztec] [PAL]
2859B28C 00000001
04B76680 42700000
E0000000 80008000
*ported by Riddley

I can probably port NTSC-JP to NTSC-US or PAL and back, but with NTSC someone would need to test it for me.

Just did the blow up bomb on command too if anyones interested

Explode bomb by pressing d-pad down (Original NTSC by wiiztec)
0425A030 A81F0A44
285FDE0B FFFB0004
0425A030 38000000
E0000000 80008000

I can change the buttons around if anyone wants that.

[Paraxade]

Deathwarp in Fire Sanctuary to skip rescuing the second mogma.

[THENINTENDOLUMINARY]

Just did the blow up bomb on command too if anyones interested

Explode bomb by pressing d-pad down (Original NTSC by wiiztec)
0425A030 A81F0A44
285FDE0B FFFB0004
0425A030 38000000
E0000000 80008000

I can change the buttons around if anyone wants that.

dpad down is not a good idea since it calls Fi

[CloudMax]

dpad down is not a good idea since it calls Fi

I think the reason it was put on dpad down is because we only use the code when we are wallrunning or in midair. In other words, we only use it when we can't call Fi, which makes it the perfect button, since it also is easy to access it.

[Riddley]

I think the reason it was put on dpad down is because we only use the code when we are wallrunning or in midair. In other words, we only use it when we can't call Fi, which makes it the perfect button, since it also is easy to access it.

Yeah that is why I put it on dpad down, but as THENINTENDOLUMINARY(wiiztec ) says it can perfectly be a bad idea, I don't really know how the button choice affects game mechanics. There was probably a reason he put it on d-pad up in the first place. But I thought I could at least mess around with it.

@THENINTENDOLUMINARY: The Temp Unlock All Weapons [Thomas83Lin] Does not work for me, does it work at all? (I was just failing at it)Also I had an idea for a code and I'm wondering if its possible, here's how it would work.

When you pressed the respective button(dpad-up) and you have no items equipped it will give you all the items. If you press the button while an item is equipped it will remove that item.

[swordsaint]

Who mentioned deathwarping scrapper up the mountain? I can't get it to work. Is it even legit?

[CloudMax]

Who mentioned deathwarping scrapper up the mountain? I can't get it to work. Is it even legit?

I've not tested it myself, but I think it was like this:
Go down with scrapper.
Return to sky.
Land at earth temple.
Die.
Scrapper should now be with you.

This can't be done with fire sanctuary from what I know, but earth temple should work.

Did you do all that, and it still didn't work?

[MASTERLINKX]

I waggled the music out of Demise (For a couple secs):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNG5PWtwWqM

[swordsaint]

I've not tested it myself, but I think it was like this:
Go down with scrapper.
Return to sky.
Land at earth temple.
Die.
Scrapper should now be with you.

This can't be done with fire sanctuary from what I know, but earth temple should work.

Did you do all that, and it still didn't work?

i figured out what i did wrong a little while ago, i made the mistake of thinking i could do it to the fire sanctuary, not the earth temple.