WW Tricks and Glitches Discussion

[NOKAUBURE]

I dont known if ToG can be done in 20 minutes, count the time sailing etc. But i see some good breaks in ToG.

Fairy's can be a idea to pass barrier? like the slimy thing in oot, with a fairy you can pass throw the slimy. So my idea is: put a bomb in the correct distance, so, when the bomb hits link, link doesnt touch the barrier, now fairy revive link, and link pass the barrier or get hurted to the oposed side. I need to try it. I have a GBA with cable too

[Majora MIM]

I dont known if ToG can be done in 20 minutes, count the time sailing etc. But i see some good breaks in ToG.

Fairy's can be a idea to pass barrier? like the slimy thing in oot, with a fairy you can pass throw the slimy. So my idea is: put a bomb in the correct distance, so, when the bomb hits link, link doesnt touch the barrier, now fairy revive link, and link pass the barrier or get hurted to the oposed side. I need to try it. I have a GBA with cable too

In fact we can already get behing the barrier. The problem is the invisible wall behind it.


Btw, if we find a way to skip Makar's help in WT, would it possible to skip earth temple?

[Razor]

So the barrier skip is the last "barrier" to a new WW speed run?

I don't have much creativity or expirience when it comes to breaking games but i'll try to see what I can find when I eventually get a file there.
Also assuming we get a barrier skip and need forest water for Light Arrow skip do we need to get the water before ToG and be quick enough to make it there in 20 mins?

I got the forest water right after collecting the BK in ToG and by the time that I beat Gohdan, solved MS puzzle, and saved, it had already been 5 mins. and I was pretty fast. I'll try to work on a forest water route for this after GT early is finished.
@MajoraMIM
It would seem so, but we'd need to get into the WT without Makar, skip the two times we need him, or find a way to get Makar to WT early.

[NOKAUBURE]

to get Makar, you need the song from the kokiri guy? or the song isnt needed?

[Razor]

to get Makar, you need the song from the kokiri guy? or the song isnt needed?

I don't see the problem.

[Dashiamo]

In fact we can already get behing the barrier. The problem is the invisible wall behind it.


Btw, if we find a way to skip Makar's help in WT, would it possible to skip earth temple?

Wait so there is the repulsive damage barrier then immediately an invisible wall?
So if I want to help I guess I should look into a way of clipping through the wall. We need a clipping method that doesn't involve ledges?

[Razor]

Wait so there is the repulsive damage barrier then immediately an invisible wall?
So if I want to help I guess I should look into a way of clipping through the wall. We need a clipping method that doesn't involve ledges?

Technically, there is a tiny bit of space between the RB and the invisible wall. Check it out if you're curious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfqTH1ZrW0g. I'm doing a bit of testing with ledge clipping to see if we can clip through the barrier and the wall, though an alternative way of clipping would be nice, as my method involves zombie hover, which means I need to buy one of those cables to attach my GBA to my GC.

[Slowking]

So the barrier skip is the last "barrier" to a new WW speed run?

I don't have much creativity or expirience when it comes to breaking games but i'll try to see what I can find when I eventually get a file there.
Also assuming we get a barrier skip and need forest water for Light Arrow skip do we need to get the water before ToG and be quick enough to make it there in 20 mins?

Well it will probably be quicker to just get quiver and light arrows.


Btw. if we were to get barriere skip would Hyrule1 be faster or EMS-Hyrule2?

which means I need to buy one of those cables to attach my GBA to my GC.

You do know that tingle won't help you in Hyrule, right?

[Razor]

Well it will probably be quicker to just get quiver and light arrows.


Btw. if we were to get barriere skip would Hyrule1 be faster or EMS-Hyrule2?


You do know that tingle won't help you in Hyrule, right?

Hyrule1 should be faster because I believe that H1 will be the only option to GT early. It's just an assumption for now though. I wasn't sure if tingle could help in Hyrule or not. As I don't have the cable, I also don't know the places that tingle can't help besides in GT.

[Dashiamo]

Well it will probably be quicker to just get quiver and light arrows.

Can Phantom Ganon be damaged with the hero's sword to get to the light arrows? I haven't fought him in a while but I remember having to hit him once each time to make him drop the sword.

Edit: Just realised. Do we have to get MS to get outside to barrier? If so ignore my above stupidity.

[Slowking]

Can Phantom Ganon be damaged with the hero's sword to get to the light arrows? I haven't fought him in a while but I remember having to hit him once each time to make him drop the sword.

Edit: Just realised. Do we have to get MS to get outside to barrier? If so ignore my above stupidity.

Phantom Ganon in FF can only be damaged with MS. So I assume that it's the same in Ganons Castle. But it should probably be tested when we have barriere skip.

If he can only be damaged by MS we will have to either do EMS or draw the MS, with all the cutscene that is involved...

[Razor]

Phantom Ganon in FF can only be damaged with MS. So I assume that it's the same in Ganons Castle. But it should probably be tested when we have barriere skip.

If he can only be damaged by MS we will have to either do EMS or draw the MS, with all the cutscene that is involved...

I'm pretty sure that only the MS can damage PG, though any sword can damage Ganondorf. Yep, I definitly think that ToG will be faster than EMS. How long does it even take to hover to FF2 for EMS?

[Phazon]

18 minutes-ish?

[Razor]

18 minutes-ish?

Then is it even a question that running through ToG is definitly faster than hovering to FF2 to get EMS?

[Slowking]

Then is it even a question that running through ToG is definitly faster than hovering to FF2 to get EMS?

öhm yeah. I'm pretty sure 18 minutes-ish is from hovering into FF2 to Hyrule 2. No way hovering into FF2 takes that long... unless you have to hover from the next island. Could somebody clearify?

Anyway. EMS would save us getting Jabus Pearl, raising ToG, clearing ToG, all that cutscene crap of the master sword and clearing Hyrule castle from the enemies.
But ofcourse it would cost us hovering into FF2, clearing FF2 and that cutscene crap at Ganons and the unraised ToG.

Should be close...