Majora's Mask Any% SS/RTA

[Epsilon]

Yeah, we'll be doing commentary this weekend. Still haven't decided on a commentary team yet.

I'll TOTALLY do it XD although if I don't then ill probably just go trade in borderlands at gamestop lol

[Pokey]

I'd like to but since Ing thinks I know nothing about MM and am a complete troll I won't.

[ING-X]

Commentary's done :3

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=B9KFP4FN

[Swordless Link]

Commentated version is now on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85k0fo1qnyo

[SnowMan]

Amazing job!

[mzxrules]

I watched this, and I'd like to say that the commentary was boring as fuck.

Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qye2LdwUBxI

[ING-X]

Of course the commentary was boring as fuck; RingRush wasn't in it to make it entertaining D:

[Atlas]

Great run. Sure there were some hiccups along the way but I'm glad to see it came together for you. It isn't the prettiest run at times but in the end it's the completion time that matters.

The commentary wasn't the best but it was still entertaining. The only parts I found myself a little bored with were the very beginning and end.

[ING-X]

I'm working on a new route because of the new TAS by MrGrunz that came out recently. I've confirmed that it is still fastest for console to do 3 bomb shop trips (shit like triple staircase is the only reason TAS does 2), but thanks to the new BK skip for GBT I've been able to add 8 chus to the route. I've also moved the bomb shop trip for STT to before scaling the tower, which saves 1 SoS at the expense of having to get bomb drops from the Nejirons in STT (evens out to about 10 seconds saved). However, this does mean that the Stone Tower climb has to be put at the end of the run.

[Kaztalek]

i think you should add in mikau walking cs skip considering its ease if you can make it to bottle duping in time, which i don't think is a problem
getting nuts from the tree by the GB fairy fountain is guaranteed if you roll into it, so those can be used for a faster garo master
if you can find a stick somewhere, a deku stick js on the last hit of majoras mask guarentees broken stick for the next 2 fights
sva's set-up for ISTT long jump is really easy so you have another few chus saved too

[ING-X]

i think you should add in mikau walking cs skip considering its ease if you can make it to bottle duping in time, which i don't think is a problem
getting nuts from the tree by the GB fairy fountain is guaranteed if you roll into it, so those can be used for a faster garo master
if you can find a stick somewhere, a deku stick js on the last hit of majoras mask guarentees broken stick for the next 2 fights
sva's set-up for ISTT long jump is really easy so you have another few chus saved too

Mikau walking CS skip is completely luck based from my experience; it seems 100% random whether he gets up right away or not. Either way, I need to play zora pots for 90R since 3 bomb shop trips is still faster.

I thought about getting those nuts, but I never really thought about whether it was faster or not. I'll look into that.

There aren't any convenient deku sticks to grab after getting NWBN without losing massive time. The only way to save sticks for Majora is to get bremen mask and dupe over that, which is way slower than just not using broken deku stick.

The ISTT long jump actually doesn't save *any* chus (I use bomb hovers there) but it does save a few seconds and explosives, so I'll still be using it.

[ING-X]

Updated the route; turns out that the 2 explosive BK skip is way slower in a SS (it'd need to be pause buffered since it's only a 2 frame window), so I put in the 5 explosive method instead (which I'm actually starting to get pretty good at ). I also added in the hover to skip the pirate in PF. I timed it versus doing the pirate fight normally and skipping the pirate is optimally 15 seconds faster than fighting her, at the expense of 3 chus (which the 5 explosive method for GBT BK skip conveniently saves).

EDIT: We now skip adult wallet, which is about 25-30 seconds faster (depends on whether or not you get good luck with beamos in stone tower). It turns out that you actually CAN do woodfall BK skip without going through the swamp normally. Good shit.

[Kaztalek]

gbt bk skip is fast, although if you pb it i can see where the problem lies. even still, shouldn't the chus saved save time somewhere else

also, bremen mask is not a 50 second detour, rather 30 sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfe5nPbpQUI
broken deku stick should be faster

btw, should create a separate route for if you can mover after pushing mikau.. that way you can cs skip with sodt, saving a good amount of time. and if you don't get it you would just use the normal one

[ING-X]

gbt bk skip is fast, although if you pb it i can see where the problem lies. even still, shouldn't the chus saved save time somewhere else

also, bremen mask is not a 50 second detour, rather 30 sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfe5nPbpQUI
broken deku stick should be faster

btw, should create a separate route for if you can mover after pushing mikau.. that way you can cs skip with sodt, saving a good amount of time. and if you don't get it you would just use the normal one

Ok, I see where my problem was. 50 seconds is the time it takes to go from the clock town owl to the bomb shop with bremen mask, whereas it takes 15 seconds without. So bremen mask takes 35 seconds to get. Broken deku stick saves about 30 seconds on majora and 20 seconds in garo master, so yeah broken deku stick is about 15 seconds faster. Even so, the difficulty of setting up broken deku stick is probably not worth the 15 seconds it saves in a SS run.

Mikau cutscene skip is useless because I need to do zora pots, which you can't do at night.

[ING-X]

The route is updated again to avoid needing beamos bomb drops in stone tower by avoiding buying bombs at the shop before bottle dupe and instead getting 2 drops in great bay. For those who didn't see my last edit, we now skip adult wallet, which is nearly a minute faster since it turns out you actually CAN get zora mask before bottle dupe and still have more than enough explosives for woodfall bk skip. For those curious as to how I derived the nearly 1 minute figure:

-Only one trip to bank in first cycle (10 seconds saved)
-No rupee from ECT (47 seconds saved)
-No getting adult wallet (16 seconds saved)
-2 chus replaced with bombs in wrong warp (6 seconds lost)
-2 extra bomb drops behind observatory (10 seconds lost, 5 for each drop)
Total: 57 seconds saved


I timed ALL of this either myself with a stopwatch or by using one of the runs that have been on SDA, so this should be accurate. Some times were rounded obviously, but for the most part it should be spot on. If anyone who isn't keeta wants to check these to see if I made a mistake somewhere (which it's possible I did), go right ahead.