DK% routing

[Fishaman P]

So, some guy who doesn't play OoT asked Moltov what he'd have to run to be his friend, and the reply was "DK%".  It's some super arbitrary category with the following retarded specs:

Goals:

• 1) Obtain Boomerang (it's like a banana)
• 2) Obtain Forest Minuet (because forest)
• 3) Kill Bongo Bongo (because Donkey Konga)
• Time stops when you step into the bongo portal.

Rules:

• 1) No RBA

Well, it's random and dumb enough that I'm going to run it.  
I've been routing it, but I don't have enough general experience to know what sub-route is faster, etc.  That's where you experts come in.

Here's my route so far:

START
sword
pause #1 (sword)
rupee route (40r)
buy shield (0r)
pause #2 (shield)
pokey escape
wess to kak
collect cuccos for bottle
pause #3 (bottle)
get bugs from under rock
pause #4 (savewarp)
buy deku shield
pause #5 (shield)
talk with mido
kill baba for deku stick (1s)
talk with deku tree
enter deku tree
kill baba for nuts (5n)
pause #6 (bottle, nuts, stick)
vine text skip
b1 skip (4n)
kill baba next to hole for nuts (9n)
2-3-1
gohma clip, kill gohma (7n)
ww to ganon's castle (6n)
pause #7 (savewarp)
enter spirit trial
get silver rupees (5n)
grab chus from chest (4n) (20c)
pause #8 (chus, nuts, stick)
exit ganon's castle
crawl through hole
avoid guards
talk with zelda
lullaby cs skip (19c)
at game over, save and quit
lost woods
chuslide to skip owl text (18c)
aquascape
chuhop into zd (17c)
king zora skip (16c)
jabu fish skip
first room (15c)
get boomerang (2n)
pause #9 (savewarp)
exit kokiri through front
head to hyrule marketplace [what is day/night cycle here?]
DoT skip
pause #10 (savewarp)
[ROUTE NEEDS MOST WORK STARTING HERE]
head to kak, then graveyard
get hylian shield from grave
do dampe race for hookshot
pause #11 (hylian shield, chus, hookshot, ocarina)
head to lost woods:
   a) via death mountain, then goron city warp (14c)
   b) savewarp, walk to kokiri
mido skip [this is why we need the hookshot now]
to sacred forest meadow
ledge jump from water to do maze skip
use chu for minuet cs skip (15/14c) [youtu.be/E7-pM13heY8]
at game over, save and quit
head to kak, then graveyard
chuslide teleport onto seam (14/13c)
seamwalk to shadow temple
truth spinner
chuflip across gap (13/12c)
silver rupee room [optional weirdshot, costs 1c]
small key from chest
fence clip
jump onto wheel
play ZL on boat
into invisible wall maze
redead clip for boss key
back to huge gap
send chu to knock bridge down (12/11c)
to boss room [youtu.be/FypphVD17zQ] (11/10c)
kill bongo with isg
blue warp
DONE

**Maybe we can wait to get hookshot until the Shadow Temple. Can't we do Mido skip with a
chu?** That means we don't have shield, which means we need a shieldless setup for the Minuet
cs skip.

TODO: Would it be faster to get BotW chus, 99r to buy hylian shield, then walk to hyrule
market and get ZL normal way?
-----------------------------------------------------
pokey escape
wess to kak
cucco dive to botw
fill wallet from dead hand chest (99r)
botw chus
savewarp out of botw
out of kak to hyrule marketplace
avoid guards
chu damage boost to hole
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Out of my uncertainty, I think BotW chus would save time, as would getting hookshot after Minuet.
However, we have to go to the graveyard anyway for the shield; we need either shield or hookshot for Mido skip, don't we?

Anyway, from the graveyard to the Lost Woods is my biggest uncertainty right now.

Input very much appreciated!

[PsyMarth]

Why not deku to shadow ww?

[Jbop]

Some quick observations:

...However, we have to go to the graveyard anyway for the shield; we need either shield or hookshot for Mido skip, don't we?

Nope, just backflip.

And you can skip the minuet cs just by walking into it as a chu explodes in your hand, you don't need a shield.
BotW and skipping bottle is definitely faster.
That being said, I believe you miscounted chus, which means you wouldn't have enough from BotW to go to the lost woods thru GC -- unless you got hover boots, which would be something you should time

Why not deku to shadow ww?

Off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure that would be a lot slower.

[Fishaman P]

Nope, just backflip.

Well, that certainly helps.

And you can skip the minuet cs just by walking into it as a chu explodes in your hand, you don't need a shield.

Knew that was possible, just don't know of a setup.

BotW and skipping bottle is definitely faster.

Good to know.

That being said, I believe you miscounted chus, which means you wouldn't have enough from BotW to go to the lost woods thru GC

I originally made the route for BotW chus (back when I forgot about ZL), and I had enough chus then.
In fact, it's highly likely my route dump contains leftovers from that route, including chu counts.

-- unless you got hover boots, which would be something you should time

I thought about it, but I think it'd waste at least 2 minutes, given there are only 3 uses for the boots, and 2 are solved with chuflips.

And yeah, I think Deku to Shadow would be slower than even my current WW route.  For one, I'd have to get the Odd Mushroom.  Second, I need Hookshot for Bongo anyway, so if I'm in the area... Third, how would I get inside the Deku Tree as adult without the Hover Boots?

[PsyMarth]

I'm just proposing bad ideas at this point, but can't you megaflip over the loading zone for deku? You could technically kill bongo with sword only as well.

[Fishaman P]

I'm just proposing bad ideas at this point, but can't you megaflip over the loading zone for deku? You could technically kill bongo with sword only as well.

The 3 ways I know of getting into the Deku Tree as adult:

• Clipping and hoversliding through the side of the tree
• From the fence by the Lost Woods entrance, hoversliding onto the cliff, then jumping past the loading zone
• From the top of the strange tree house, hoverboosting onto the cliff

Unless there's another way.

Also, for actually getting through the Shadow Temple, we need the Hookshot.  Wrong Warping would bypass that, but again, would probably be way slower to get the trade items, etc.

[r0bd0g]

You don't need the hoverboots to get into deku as adult you can just hover up instead of hoverboosting from the tree. If you haven't completed forest you can even do it without explosives.

[Fishaman P]

You don't need the hoverboots to get into deku as adult you can just hover up instead of hoverboosting from the tree. If you haven't completed forest you can even do it without explosives.

Please, do tell.
Even though I think it'll still be slower.

[r0bd0g]

I'm not saying it's faster, just that you can hover. Without explosives you hover off a deku baba or something, I've never done it :p.

[nathanisbored]

technically a megajump, not a hoverboost.

...these names are silly

[Fishaman P]

technically a megajump, not a hoverboost.

...these names are silly

If you say that a HESS is really a HISS, I will punch you through the internet. 

[nathanisbored]

If you say that a HESS is really a HISS, I will punch you through the internet. 

lol no i hate that. also all the supersliding names are bad and misleading, so there's no point in even trying to distinguish them

[Fishaman P]

I'm busy now and for the next few days.  When I'm free, I'll post the updated route, as well as any concerns about chu counts (which are apparently an issue).

[Fishaman P]

All right, here's the updated route:

START
sword
pause #1 (sword)
rupee route (40r)
buy shield (0r)
pause #2 (shield)
pokey escape
wess to kak
cucco dive to botw
traditional botw chus (10c)
dead hand rupee chest (99r)
pause #3 (chus, savewarp)
exit botw
exit kak through front
head to hyrule market
buy hylian shield (19r)
head to hyrule castle
various shortcuts to trail end
chu damage boost onto ledge (9c)
zl cs skip (8c)
at game over, save and quit
head to lost woods
aquascape
chuhop into zd (7c)
get nuts from pot by shop (5n)
king zora skip (6c)
jabu fish skip
jabu main room (5c)
normal jabu up to boomerang (3n)
pause #5 (savewarp)
exit jabu
pause #6 (savewarp)
head to temple of time
dot skip
MASTER SWORD
pause #7 (hylian shield, savewarp)
head to lost woods through kokiri
mido skip
head to sacred forest meadow
ledge jump from water to do maze skip
minuet cs skip (4c)
at game over, save and quit
head to kak, then graveyard
dampe race for hookshot
pause #8 (chus, hookshot, ocarina)
chuslide teleport onto seam (3c)
seamwalk to shadow temple
truth spinner room (2c)
silver rupees
fence clip
wheel jump
play zl
redead clip for boss key
send chu over to knock bridge down (1c)
cross pre-boss room (0c)
kill bongo
DONE


Doesn't factor in:
Time of day
Miscounts

The main thing I'm worried about is chu counts.  As it is, there's no room for error.  If I miscounted a chu, we have a 1-chu buffer in the form of the Jabu main room hover to the switch.  Hover boots are an option if you're still short a chu or 2, but are probably slower to get by 2 mins.

Oh, and time of day too.  I'm thinking castle after BotW isn't gonna work without waiting.  I was gonna suggest doing castle after Jabu, but we need the shield for the chuhop into ZD and King Zora skip at the very least.  This is probably the biggest blocker if the chu counts are right.

I'm retarded.  We need the DEKU shield for those, not the HYLIAN shield.  What do you guys think about BotW -> Jabu -> ZL -> DoT skip?

[Jbop]

Oh, and time of day too.  I'm thinking castle after BotW isn't gonna work without waiting.

...We need the DEKU shield for those, not the HYLIAN shield.  What do you guys think about BotW -> Jabu -> ZL -> DoT skip?

cb4n after BotW = cb4n after kak
That being said it makes more sense to me to do BotW -> Jabu -> ZL -> DoT skip and buy the shield while you're in the market/castle (tho no one ever said I was a master at routing xD)