Glitchless Wind Waker Time?

[starfoxleader]

Hi

I got interested in doing a glitchless Wind Waker speed run.
What would be a good time estimate on NTSC-U?

Does 8 hours seem like a good estimate?

[nathanisbored]

Hi

I got interested in doing a glitchless Wind Waker speed run.
What would be a good time estimate on NTSC-U?

Does 8 hours seem like a good estimate?

Didn't Swordless do glitchless or something?

[starfoxleader]

I don't know
I'm still new to this.
I only saw some of Cosmo's 5 hour run.

[Yashichidsf]

Yes, Swordless routed glitchless with the help of some other guys like Rust45 and myself to determine what is a glitch and what is a trick. An estimated time is around 6 to 6.5 hours if the run is tunerless and English. There are strats that people haven't seen for quite some time that would be used in a glitchless speedrun, like the old Dragon Roost Cavern and old Forbidden Woods routes. Glitches don't save anywhere near as much time as some people seem to think. Superswims save like 15 minutes, Cabana Deed Skip saves like 5, and the various storage strats and ledge clips save around 40 minutes in the run.

Those are very rough estimates, mind you. I personally think a sub-6 time would be possible with good execution.

[starfoxleader]

6.5 hours?
Cool thanks for the estimated time!

[rust45]

Keep in mind glitchless allows tricks like sail pumping, leaf pumping, and other things that aren't considered glitches.

[starfoxleader]

I knew that.

What about skipping the Stalfos fight in the Earth Temple?
Where you jump from one caufin to the mirror shield ledge using the leaf pumps.

[Multisnivy]

cosidering leaf pumping isnt a glitch wat u think?

[starfoxleader]

Not the leaf pumping, it's just that you skip an entire miniboss.

[rust45]

Earth temple miniboss skip is fine by the current definitions of glitchless.

[Steve]

Where are the rules for this? Main things I've thought about using just tricks-

notable skips probably allowed:
early boss key in DRC by jumpslashing onto the grapple spot.
leaf pumping to skip flower sailing in FW
First area skip in ToG using in bounds method (Old Kazooie method)
Ledge grabs using leaf in earth temple
bomb boost to the small key in wind temple

questionable things:
cabana sewers skip by hitting switches through walls?
savage labyrinth floor skips using hookshot?

Probably sub 6 or a low 6 hour time would be a good goal for this.

[Multisnivy]

im not sure that the hitting through walls thing would be allowed it does seem like a glitch

[rust45]

Where are the rules for this? Main things I've thought about using just tricks-

notable skips probably allowed:
early boss key in DRC by jumpslashing onto the grapple spot. Allowed but keep in mind it's hard
leaf pumping to skip flower sailing in FW Every use of the leaf that doesn't get you oob is allowed
First area skip in ToG using in bounds method (Old Kazooie method) I'm not sure about this, do you have a link?
Ledge grabs using leaf in earth temple Already stated that using the leaf for things like this allowed
bomb boost to the small key in wind temple Allowed

questionable things:
cabana sewers skip by hitting switches through walls?
savage labyrinth floor skips using hookshot?
Both of those are not allowed

Probably sub 6 or a low 6 hour time would be a good goal for this.

Keep in mind I'm basing this off of when glitchless was routed in Swordless' stream a while back. As far as I know there is no written out route at the moment.

[starfoxleader]

Thanks for the information everyone!

[Steve]

First area skip in ToG using in bounds method (Old Kazooie method) I'm not sure about this, do you have a link?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrX967tIiHI