BiT Research Topic

[Abahbob]

Keys are dungeoun/area specific. I say are because the goron key for sand sea and the lanayru gorge keys work also. The second theory is proven.

[TestRunner]

Yea, that was already known. Although the key for the gorge and the Sand Sea are interchangeable. I guess the game considers them the same dungeons or something. You can use any key obtained in a dungeon on any door in the dungeon. So you could skip the first door and use the key on the second door. Unfortunately, there is no place where that is useful.

Edit: Dangit, Abahbob beat me to the punch!

[KingOfHeart]

My theory about "if we could go through the wall" gets you the harp early.

[gamestabled]

I think the problem with that though would be that even if you could skip LMF and get harp you still need the bellows in other places i think, so it would be like skipping sailcloth, useful in a harp run but a dead end in any%

[TestRunner]

Well all early ToT attempts have failed ion the past. If you can get it to work though, that would be great. You can just do it after you get the bellows. Sure to save like 7 minutes from skipping the second half of LMF. And in a Harp run, it would save like 25 minutes. All wishful thinking I'm afraid.

[TheOthin]

If you could avoid needing the Bellows until Bokoblin Base you could get away with it, but that might be a bit of a stretch.

[gamestabled]

Theres that one miniboss type guy in the desert thats buried in the sand that you need bellows to fight so I dont think its possible to skip, even if you could get harp w/o LMF.

[KingOfHeart]

I never said anything about skipping the wind item, just everything else.

[gamestabled]

If by everything else you include the first two temples, you can't get to lanayru before them
If you just mean the second half of LMF then okay. Good luck getting over the wall haha

[TestRunner]

If you could get early ToT, you would go through the dungeon backwards, skipping the entire Lanaryu Desert Section. But again, this is all theoretical. First find a way into ToT, then we can talk about how it is sequence breaks. It is clear it would be worth it, but it's probably impossible with current known glitches.

[Abahbob]

You couldnt go through backwards, as 1. the cart is on the other side and 2. entering moldarach drops you in infinite loop i believe

[CloudMax]

If you could get early ToT, you would go through the dungeon backwards, skipping the entire Lanaryu Desert Section. But again, this is all theoretical. First find a way into ToT, then we can talk about how it is sequence breaks. It is clear it would be worth it, but it's probably impossible with current known glitches.

We discussed this about 2 months ago.
It is not possible to skip all of lanayru desert, however, back then we had a lot of theories.
This was my route theory if we could get ToT early:
First get ToT early while being OoB to reach the OoB owl statue in ToT.
Wrong warp with that statue (not BiTWW just regular wrong warp)
This took you to the stone cache or w/e the building is called.
Continue all the way to the gust bellow.
Exit LMF and use the owl statue to get to ToT.
Enter and exit the back entrance to get the harp.

This didn't work since we couldn't find a way to access ToT in its OoB state.

My second theory was to just access the north section of the desert, enter LMF, get the gust bellows, exit.
Then take the north-west path to ToT and somehow get over the broken wall.
Then just enter and exit the back entrance to get the harp.

I have been very close to get up onto the broken wall at ToT, like a few pixels away, but it just wasn't enough.
If we could perform a highjump anywhere, I'm pretty sure we could get over.

The thing is that this only would save a few minutes now that we have the BiTWW in LMF. It is still a decent timesaver though.

[Abahbob]

Where do you next need gust bellows? Sand sea? That feels wrong.

[TestRunner]

You need Gust Bellow to turn the windmills in Skyloft to obtain the Harp. So pretty much right after LMF.

[Abahbob]

Oh yeah. Forgot bout those