SS: Trick Research & Discovery

[Paraxade]

I dunno, I never pay attention to dowsing.

[Matt23488]

Potions are not worth it, period. They take far too long to buy and upgrade, and there's not even any real point in it because they barely even help. You only visit the Bazaar once, to fix Scrapper, and you can't buy a potion then because you need both bottles to be empty for Fire Sanctuary water, so it would be a huge detour.

edit: also for the record, even if you already have bugs from hero mode, you can't upgrade potions without the bug net.

What do you mean you can't upgrade potions without the net? I was showing my friend Skyward Sword the other day (on hero mode) and the first thing I did when I got the first bottle was buy a health potion and upgrade it to show him the upgrade system.

But maybe when the net becomes available at Beedle's Shop, the guy tells you to buy it so you can upgrade potions. Possibly a bug in the code, because it shouldn't allow you to upgrade, then no longer allow it until a certain condition is met.

[TestRunner]

Hmm, that's weird. If that's the case, now I do wonder if upgrading potions is faster. But it sounds like you'd need to do it before you leave skyloft? Getting the extra silver rupee in Earth Temple + second visit to the bazaar + the large amount of text required to buy/upgrade potions. Also, you lose a lot of time since you only have one bottle open, when you need two for the Fire Sanctuary. So you'd need to make an extra trip to refill water, which would take at least 2 minutes. So my hunch is that the potion is still slower. It would need to save like 5 min, which is definitely does not.

[Ruffbad]

I was just wondering on the skyward sword page on the bit warp section. Are all those question marks untested bit warp's?

[TestRunner]

Err, no. I think those were all tested, but they just haven't been updated. I'll see if I can fix that up today.

[Abahbob]

Bleh, they just aren't recorded in text. All the warps have now been tested I suppose, thanks to Kazooie. Just use the pictures, they describe better than words.

[Kazooie]

Yeah all warps is now tested. You can see where each warp leads from pictures. If you testrunner don't have time upload bitwarp page I can also do it

[TestRunner]

That would probably be for the best, I'm much busier than I'd like to be. Also I noticed that "Lanayru Caves" should be removed and "Boat Hangar" and "Skyloft" are missing their pictures. Many of the area names also needs to be corrected. Also the order of the statues in the pictures is different than the chart, so there should be a note made somewhere. I don't know if it's just me but when I load a pic the page goes blank and I have to go back. It's super inconvenient.

[pivotguyDC1]

What exactly is the fastest way to create a corrupt file? I forgot.

[TestRunner]

Load File 1 (main file). Save at the upper academy. Die at the killing post. Activate BiT. Copy File 1 over to File 2 during a cutscene which the map button is disabled. Delete File 2 and then quickly save over it while it is still being deleted. And your file should be corrupted. You'll use it twice in a run: once after saving your bird, and once in skyview temple. In an any% run, you'll do it a third time to activate early light tower.

[pivotguyDC1]

What exactly is the fastest way to create a corrupt file? I forgot.

Forgot Completely about the main page.
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[Paraxade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPbq-MK3Weg

yep

[CloudMax]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPbq-MK3Weg

yep

This is one of those times where I wonder what the hell they were thinking when they coded the game.
The developers should've been aware that there's a delay between the spawning and cutscene trigger and solve this issue. I honestly have no idea how problems like these manage to make it to the release... It's just stupid.

[TestRunner]

Damn, I should've known. It worked for the fi text after lmf, works the same way here. I wonder what other forced text/cs can be skipped this way.

[Paraxade]

It works after every dungeon, so you can jump before the Skyview Kikwi text or the AC Water Dragon text, too. You can't skip either of those though afaik.

I'm not sure I like this new trick >.> On one hand, yay saving a minute... on the other hand, boo replacing a 100% consistent trick with a much harder one. Seems like it'll also make it so a segmented run can't use that save prompt. :/ The jump doesn't seem to work when you load from the save.