TAS any% route ideas

[Slowking]

Disclaimer: These routes aren't possible unles someone finds a way to get across the gerudo brdige without hookshot or ISG. I'm sure it is possible for a TAS, if only someone would try. *looks at Grunz* Here is how it's done with ISG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuDcK_3bPAM

So after Grunz found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alaNDJq_5ug&feature=channel_page new tricks there are quite a few new possible routes. I can think of four. They all pretty much start alike but I'm going to type everyone of them in teir entirety anyway:

1. Kakariko first, Zoras River second
- get sword and 60r (60r)
- buy shield and deku stick (10r)
- do old forest escape
- get to Kakriko and get bottle
- get to zoras river and buy magic beans (0r)
- get to lake hylia  through hyrule field
- get 80r from bushes and plant bean (80r)
- fly to castle town and buy Hylia Shield (0r) (you won't have to wait as long for the flight because getting the magic bean takes gametime)
- go foreward in time

2. Zoras River first, Kakariko second
- get sword and 60r (60r)
- buy shield and deku stick (10r)
- do old forest escape
- get to zoras river and buy magic beans (0r)
- get to Kakriko and get bottle
- get to lake hylia  through hyrule field
- get 80r from bushes and plant bean (80r)
- fly to castle town and buy Hylia Shield (0r) (you won't have to wait as long for the flight because getting the magic bean takes gametime)
- go foreward in time

3. Through Zoras domain
- get sword and 60r (60r)
- buy shield and deku stick (10r)
- do old forest escape
- get to Kakriko and get bottle
- get to zoras river and buy magic beans (0r)
- go up Zoras river into Zoras domain and somehow glitch into the warp to lake hylia (that would have to be discovered first )
- get 80r from bushes and plant bean (80r)
- fly to castle town and buy Hylia Shield (0r)
- go foreward in time

4. Silver scale and ruto-bottle
- get sword and 80r (80r)
- buy shield and deku stick (30r)
- do old forest escape
- get to zoras river and buy magic beans (20r)
- go up Zoras river into Zoras domain
- get silver scale and dive through the warp to lake hylia (0r)
- get ruto bottle, bring it back to king zora and again dive to lake hylia
- get 80r from bushes and plant bean (80r)
- fly to castle town and buy Hylia Shield (0r)
- go foreward in time

As you can see route 1 and 2 are identical apart from the fact that one goes to kakariko first and the other to zoras river. I don't know which of the two is faster since a prolonged superslide to kakariko could save time. It would have to be tested.

Route 3 is highly theoretical sicne there is no known way to get to lake hylia from ZD without a scale. But there might be.

Route 4 differs a lot from the others, as you never visit Kakariko and get the ruto bottle with the silver scale. This is actually far more plausible as one might think. Going up Zoras river doesn't take that long when you are at the magic bean guy. It could even be faster than supersliding to lake hylia. And not getting th bottle from Kakariko could save the time King Zora needs to move...

[BluRi]

Route 3 is highly theoretical sicne there is no known way to get to lake hylia from ZD without a scale. But there might be.

I just found a way... But it was so simple that I can't believe it hasn’t been found before? 

I'll upload a video soon  

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_EouEjuj6E  

[Slowking]

Ok Route 3 is not theoretical anymore. Cool trick.

I guess nobody has ever searched for a way to get through there since it wasn't usefull up until now.

[TSDA]

I just found a way... But it was so simple that I can't believe it hasn’t been found before? 

I'll upload a video soon  

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_EouEjuj6E  

This one is old. It's found by ZXM.
Here's the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qb27HebpnM

[GlitchesAndStuff]

This one is old. It's found by ZXM.
Here's the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qb27HebpnM

no, no fail for you, this one needs bombs, the one that BluRi found uses no explosives (and we won't have any explosives at that point)

[TSDA]

no, no fail for you, this one needs bombs, the one that BluRi found uses no explosives (and we won't have any explosives at that point)

Same shit. Most methods have changed like that.

[Slowking]

It's not even close.

[TSDA]

meh. fine

[ZFG]

I've been thinking about this lately and did some timing for cucco bottle vs ruto bottle.  In Swordless/AKA/Bloobs old TAS WIP it took 3:10 from starting peahat ss to kakariko to peahat ss to LH.  I added the time to and from kakariko because I don't know if kakariko or ZR should come first.  In runnerguys segment 3, it takes 3:45 from gaining control in LH to after KZ moves.  Subtract time for scarecrows song (5s), add time to go back to LH to soft soil (about 30s) and extra text from fisherman as adult (20s).  This adds up to about 4:30.  Of course a TAS would improve that time a bit but not a whole lot.  Its pretty clear cucco bottle is the way to go.

Now about ZR or kakariko first.  I'm not quite sure right which is faster but I'm going with ZR then kakariko right now because kakariko has the advantage of wess.  If you can wess from a wall near the ZR entrance then kakariko first is probably faster, but I tried it out and couldn't even get a jumpslash recoil into the water.  Right now I'm thinking it'll look like this:

-sword, shield (stick maybe?)
-bridge clip escape
-peahat ss to ZR
-rock clip, buy bean
-exit ZR, to kakariko
-cucco bottle
-bugs from rock next to house of skulltula
-exit kakariko
-wess to peahat closest to kokiri entrance
-its probably night so stalchild superslide (maybe faster to use patch of grass closer to kakariko if its a stalchild)
-LH
-rupee manipulation from grass
-plant bean
-owl to castle
-40r from chains (I dont think you can manipulate 80r from LH grass)
-buy hylian shield
-dot skip

[MrGrunz]

ZFG, you should read the stuff on tasvideos first before trying to discuss this with slowi and me.

first off, the quickest way to get to the castle is by far going down the river. this saves a huge amount of time over the coccu bottle route already, because you have to talk to the owl and wait for dawn.

next thing: when you go to kakariko, you either have to go from kakariko to ZR or from ZR to kakariko. Both take a while.

actually, I'm too lazy to write even more about this, but here are the possible routes, that could all turn out to be quickest:
1. Go up river, Silver Scale, Letter, Down River (most likely quickest)
2. River, Lake, Fishing, Letter, Down River (should beat coccu route, but not silver scale)
3. Coccus, ZR, Lake, Owl (should be slowest)

well, all 3 routes have to be TASed to see, which one is quickest

[ZFG]

If we can get odd mushroom chest as child if could save about 50 seconds.  The detour for the mush would be about 3:30, then skipping the first trip to kakariko, waiting for the egg to hatch and waking talon should take about 1:15, then add some time to go from stealing rod to kokiri.  This would cut out pocket cucco RBA so no gauntlets, but there are some rocks in kokiri you can get bombs from (minus some more time for cutting out the first pressure jump).  But first thing we need to do is find a way over to that mush chest.

[ING-X]

first off, the quickest way to get to the castle is by far going down the river. this saves a huge amount of time over the coccu bottle route already, because you have to talk to the owl and wait for dawn.

hm, how much quicker is that? i know talking to the owl takes almost a minute, and wastes time by making you wait for dawn at the castle (whereas going down the river would put you at the castle after dawn without the minute wasted). so is going down the river almost a minute faster than talking to the owl?

[ZFG]

Ing its about 10 seconds faster to go down the river.

[ING-X]

Ing its about 10 seconds faster to go down the river.

only 10 seconds? are you sure about that? i could have sworn it'd be more than that since the owl text takes so long and you have to wait until dawn once you get back to the castle.

* ING-X waits for grunz to show up and prove both of us completely wrong

[ZFG]

I timed it last week.  I'm probably off by a few seconds but its around that.