WW Tricks and Glitches Discussion

[mzxrules]

Messed with Hyrule some more and tried to figure out barrier skip. Still couldn't get it but I did make a little progress. Managed to figure out how to get onto the bridge railing without hookshot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2vaLf6lLtM

Pretty epic. Maybe it won't be completely useless someday?

[Manocheese]

I have a theory about barrier skip, but I don't have the game to test it, so I'll post it here.

1. Zombie hover toward the barrier so that you are above the rail and facing Ganon's Castle.
2. Once you are high enough (probably needs to be very high; you may have to start the hover in the KORL area), pull out a bomb. Just before it explodes, pull out your Deku Leaf so you get hit and knocked forward.
3. While you are falling, your invincibility frames will be running out (I hope? Your frames for invulnerability to damage may be separate from your frames for invulnerability from being knocked around by the barrier; only the latter need to be running out. I can't test anything at the moment, and I can't remember how this works.).
4. After you land and stand up, pull out the Wind Waker. If you timed it right, you'll run out of invincibility just then, so pulling out the WW will cancel the damage from the barrier. You will also miraculously have fallen on the edge in such a way that you can WW dive.
5. Hover to Ganon's Castle.

#3 worries me the most; it may be that you can't get past the barrier after being hit by a bomb. An easy way to test this would be to let a bomb knock you into the damage barrier; if you get knocked back during your invincibility frames, this theory won't work.

[Paraxade]

The invincibility timer doesn't start to tick down until after you land, unfortunately.

[Majora MIM]

The height Paraxade get in his video may be high enough to get hurt when touching the ground.
And if we manage to make Link fall right next to the barrier and the edge of the ledge, sword out, would it be possible to start a hover without stoping the the invicibility timer?
It may require to slip off the ledge immediately after touching the ground which could be done by dropping a bomb before the fall which could push Link down when he touch the ground.

[Paraxade]

It is enough to get fall damage, but fall damage is not any more helpful than bomb damage.

[Majora MIM]

It is enough to get fall damage, but fall damage is not any more helpful than bomb damage.

Fall damage won't make you crash on the ground, Link will stay standing which could lead to a quick fall from the ledge if a bomb push you when you land.

[Paraxade]

Yes, but the invincibility frames don't start to wear off until after you regain control, so again, not any more helpful than using bombs.

[Majora MIM]

Yes, but the invincibility frames don't start to wear off until after you regain control.

Even if you regain control when Link fall of the ledge/when you start the hover?

The idea is to stay in invicibilty frames by avoiding to touch the ground after being hit.

[Paraxade]

erm... not really following you here :/ but if you think you know something that could work, by all means go for it.

[Majora MIM]

The idea I have is:

1-Fly over the bridge, following the ledge, to the barier.                                                  (1/4 heart)
2-Drop a bomb with the deku leaf while in air (it may require to quickly stabilize to prevent the barrier to hit you).
3-Let Link fall on the ledge (if you're high enough, Link will take 1/4 heart damage).     (0 heart)
4-When Link reach the ground, if the bomb you dropped in step 2 is close enough to the void (and hasn't explode yet), it could push and make
   Link fall in void.
5-You start zombie hover with zero heart and, I hope, infinite invicibility frames (until you land in Ganon's tower ).

[Paraxade]

Yeah, that doesn't work unfortunately. The invincibility wears off after you fall off the ledge.

[Razor7581]

Great find Paraxade! I'm glad that you could help to show that banister clip isn't worthless. We are now up against the hardest part of the whole kit and kabootal.
Important Barrier Skip finds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5Sq6lUTLRU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J6X4CtbgvA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2vaLf6lLtM

[GlitchesAndStuff]

Late reply I know, but I've already tested things with fall damage, it's useless. One thing I did do was tingle tuner dive off the top of the roof of the castle onto the side banister bit near the barrier and noticed that link takes fall damage, since you can get fall damage with tingle tuner dive I was hoping it could get us somewhere in terms of invincibility frames because it half takes link out of tuner mode, especially while falling (you can simulate this by using a levitate cheat whith the tuner out). I then tried to get off the edge still in tingle tuner mode with 0 hearts from the fall damage. I achived this by tingle tuner diving with a bomb (by using the "use bombs anywhere" thing to pull out a bomb with the tuner text). this worked great because when I landed I still got fall damage from the fall and link dropped the bomb he had in his hands which pushed him forward mid-landing animation, pushing him forwards off the banister with 0 hearts and in tingle tuner mode. it doesn't quite work the same as wind waker dive, where you have time to hover after falling a long way down, as soon as you close the text box it warps you to the start with no time to hover like falling off would normally do. It's been so long since I did it, I can't remember what the invincibility frames did, although I assume they either stop being frozen when you start falling or they stay for the whole time when the text box is out but the not being able to hover in or after the text is the main problem I've not got anywhere with this but try it and play arround with it if you want as it's a slightly different approach to the solution.

[Paraxade]

I tried to dive with Tetra a little while back, it sounds like it was basically the exact same thing as that tingle tuner thing. The invincibility wears off while you're talking, but the fall trigger warps you back up the second you exit the text box.

[GlitchesAndStuff]

How did you manage to get on the banister with tetra next to you?