OoT3D: Trick Research and Discovery Thread

[Majora MIM]

I know that we're searching for a way FW WW route now but I just wanted to tell that I found a way to play adult archery game without bow which would lead to a faster bottle on B than LLR stick.
I'm not completely sure of what triggered it so I'm still testing if it's really faster.

[CloudMax]

Okay, so I just wrong warped to the credits using Hyrule Field -> Lake Hylia + Deku Tree bluewarp. Child.
First credits warp I've found so far that doesn't crash as child.



The only issue with oot3d is that we have to get Saria's Song so that we can get Bracelet, so that we can get bombs so that we can get magic.

MQ should be faster because of jabu chus.

If we only found a way to get explosives early, or get magic without bombs, we could finish the game in no time.

[Majora MIM]

Shit that's fast!

[mzxrules]

Is it possible to forest escape without sword on B?

[Majora MIM]

Yeh, using walkig while talking glitch.

That's awesome, we can savewarp from fishing pond befroe deku tree!

[CloudMax]

Found another one that works as child that is even faster.
DMT -> GC | DC Bluewarp
After magic, just jump down there, set the point, enter dodongo's cavern and finish it.

Also, I am getting quite consistent with this trick now, so saving should not even be a problem soon enough, at least not for me.
I just wish we could find a way to get magic without bombs, or early explosives. That'd be awesome.

[Nook]

I tried the warp shown in Exodus' video on 3D, but FW would not work in the warp I gave it about 20 tries

Could you explain the DMT -> City - Cavern?

[CloudMax]

I tried the warp shown in Exodus' video on 3D, but FW would not work in the warp I gave it about 20 tries

Could you explain the DMT -> City - Cavern?

DMT -> Goron City.
Then use DC bluewarp.

To activate FW in the bluewarp you have to enter it and press B at the same time.

[Nook]

Bluewarp is the warp out of the dungeon after the boss with the HP?

[Nook]

Are we talking NG+ or not? I think Farore's Wind on B startup may work well

Farore's Wind:
- Rupee Route for 3 Blue Rupees
- Buy Deku Nuts
- Walking While Talking Forest Escape to Fairy Ocarina
- Zelda's Lullaby
- Saria's Song
- Goron Bracelet (1st visit to Goron City)
- Farm for Deku Sticks in Darunia's Room
- Bombs (1st visit to Dodongo's Cavern)
- Magic
- Farore's Wind Point in Goron City (2nd visit to Goron City)
- Finish Cavern and Bluewarp (2nd visit to Dodongo's Cavern)


I hope at this point we all know about early bombs, but here is a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3RZ8kxei3A

This can be done with sticks

Regular Game (Non NG+):
- Rupee Route for 3 Blue Rupees
- Kokiri Sword
- Buy Deku Nuts
- Walking While Talking Forest Escape to Fairy Ocarina
- Zelda's Lullaby
- Save Warp
- Saria's Song
- Save Warp
- Goron Bracelet (1st visit to Goron City)
- Farm for Deku Sticks
- Bombs (1st visit to Dodongo's Cavern)
- Farore's Wind (Go from Goron City 2nd visit -> Lost Woods -> Navi Dive to Zora's River)
- Magic (Zora's River -> Lost Woods ->  Goron City 3rd visit)
- Farore's Wind Point in Goron City with Use Restricted Items (3nd visit to Goron City)
- Finish Cavern and Bluewarp

Save Warping is the advantage in a regular game, but involves a trip to Zora's Fountain and 2 trips between DC and GC
Not having to take a trip to Zora's Fountain is the advantage in Farore's Wind NG+, but you also need 2 trips between DC and GC

EDIT: I removed the Hammer route. You need bombs for the Farore's Wind Fairy Fountain, Hammer won't work.

[poodleskirt]

Beating DC with sticks is really easy, at least on MQ. It only takes 4 I believe. Also I've been getting 3 sticks both times I've visited Goron City in my route.

Cloudmax, I have trouble knowing when exactly to press A after getting the FW into the blue warp thing. I usually get OoB DMT, or I warp back to my FW warp point. I've gotten crashes a few times though. Do you have any tips on when to press A?

[poodleskirt]

By the way, very nice finds cloudmax. I feel like you single handedly broke 3ds version.

For shortening this route, it seems to me perhaps the new "holy grail" glitch would be finding a way to clip into DC or access it otherwise without bombs. This would eliminate all the Saria's Song/Bracelet BS

[CloudMax]

Farore's Wind:
- Rupee Route for 3 Blue Rupees
- Buy Deku Nuts
- Walking While Talking Forest Escape to Fairy Ocarina
- Zelda's Lullaby
- Saria's Song
- Goron Bracelet (1st visit to Goron City)
- Farm for Deku Sticks in Darunia's Room
- Bombs (1st visit to Dodongo's Cavern)
- Magic
- Farore's Wind Point in Goron City (2nd visit to Goron City)
- Finish Cavern and Bluewarp (2nd visit to Dodongo's Cavern)

That's very similar to my route.
-15 rupees
-Purchase nuts
-WWT forest escape
-Zelda
-Goron City
-3 deku sticks (2 in Darunia's room, 1 at stairs)
-Saria's Song
-Bracelet
-3 deku sticks (2 in Darunia's room, 1 at stairs)
-Bombs
-Magic
-DMT -> GC warp point
-Defeat Dodongo
-Ganonless

Deku sticks:
1 for each liz room
3 for Dodongo
1 for wolfos

[Nook]

Since we blindly created the same route, we should agree that this route is best. Later today I will record a run of this (Got an HD camera)

A while ago we came to the consensus that NewGamePlus and Regular Game were 2 different speedrun catagories. Would NG+ be legal on SDA?

[poodleskirt]

what about the wolfos cloudmax?