Majora's Mask Any% SS/RTA

[Nightwing]

I would say skip them, only because megaflipping in Stone Tower is ultra-shitty.

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I got a 1:53 today on N64, 15 seconds faster than Jiano's run. It was nearly perfect up to lullaby skip, but then I got fucked over by the wind and from there everything went downhill. I'm definitely going to redo, but if you're interested in watching it I have a ustream recording of it.

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Alright I'm comfortable with megahovering up stone tower so it'll be in my run now. I edited the route to incorporate this by skipping the bomb shop trip BEFORE climbing stone tower (rather than the one after) which avoids silly nejiron luck manipulation altogether and is probably faster all on its own. I figured out that I'm MUCH more consistent at the megahovers if I wait for the smoke to clear after doing a megaflip (this dramatically lowers the amount of lag).

It's only a matter of time now.

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Alright sorry for the triple post but this is pretty important.

As you all know I am extremely indecisive and can't decide whether to do this run on N64 or VC. VC has the obvious advantage of being 2-3 minutes faster due to less lag and faster loading, but I'm far more comfortable with N64 and play better on it. Furthermore, N64 has the advantage of HESS which will make the end product look much better.

Help? D:

[BottlesFTW]

Alright sorry for the triple post but this is pretty important.

As you all know I am extremely indecisive and can't decide whether to do this run on N64 or VC. VC has the obvious advantage of being 2-3 minutes faster due to less lag and faster loading, but I'm far more comfortable with N64 and play better on it. Furthermore, N64 has the advantage of HESS which will make the end product look much better.

Help? D:

IMO, speedrunning is also for entertainment, not just amazing time.
I'd sooner watch a run with cooler tricks than less lag.
Seriously, go N64. 

[Masterluigisw]

I don't agree. If you want entertainment, go make a TAS. A Speed Run consist of the fastest acheivable way to beat a game. So you mean since RBA on OoT isn't entertaining, you would rather make a Non-RBA run ? Cmon, same thing for Sm64, no BLJs ? Less lag and faster loading times are factor to be taken seriously if you want to do a REAL speed run, aka beating the game as fast as possible. If, loading times + less lag saves more time than what could be saved with HESS'es, than go for VC imho, if you aim for beating the fastest real time speed run to date. If you aim for SHOW OFF, then go N64. Hope I got my point across lol.

[BottlesFTW]

I don't agree. If you want entertainment, go make a TAS. A Speed Run consist of the fastest acheivable way to beat a game. So you mean since RBA on OoT isn't entertaining, you would rather make a Non-RBA run ? Cmon, same thing for Sm64, no BLJs ? Less lag and faster loading times are factor to be taken seriously if you want to do a REAL speed run, aka beating the game as fast as possible. If, loading times + less lag saves more time than what could be saved with HESS'es, than go for VC imho, if you aim for beating the fastest real time speed run to date. If you aim for SHOW OFF, then go N64. Hope I got my point across lol.

I thought somebody would say something like that.
Saying this in a better way, non-TAS is for showing off skill - I'd be far more impressed with cooler tricks than a couple minutes less lag.
That's just me, though.

[Masterluigisw]

I thought somebody would say something like that.
Saying this in a better way, non-TAS is for showing off skill - I'd be far more impressed with cooler tricks than a couple minutes less lag.
That's just me, though.

As I said, it all depends on what you aim for, showing off skill while loosing time or optimising your run with the best time you could pull off. Anyways, that's just me we all got our own point of views. So I would say ing : go with what you think fits the best for you in order to save time.

[Runnerguy2489]

So you mean since RBA on OoT isn't entertaining, you would rather make a Non-RBA run ?

Yes, in a heartbeat. I would also rather watch a non-rba run as well.

Always remember that speed is the first and foremost priority; side issues such as entertainment are secondary. You can include a neat trick that costs a second or two, but be warned that verifiers will see this as a negative, not a positive.

A quote from SDA though, which I think sums up what you are trying to say. Although it's not really a quote to live and die by, as you don't see many speedrunners going out and getting the japanese versions of games to have quicker text. 

I would do it on the N64 if that is what you are most comfortable with. The run should be about you having fun (That is why we play games, right?) and not about pleasing other people on the internet.

[Masterluigisw]

Yes, in a heartbeat. I would also rather watch a non-rba run as well.
A quote from SDA though, which I think sums up what you are trying to say. Although it's not really a quote to live and die by, as you don't see many speedrunners going out and getting the japanese versions of games to have quicker text. 

I would do it on the N64 if that is what you are most comfortable with. The run should be about you having fun (That is why we play games, right?) and not about pleasing other people on the internet.

I completly agree with you. By rather non-rba I meant that you would sacrifice your speedrun's time to give entertainment while a speedrun defines itself by beating x game in an optimized time. Of course you would watch it since it's more entertaining than a RBA run. But if you wanna Make one, considering the entertainment for viewers is like setting an own limit to yourself. And none plays on NTSC-J majora's mask because the time you would save by faster texts would be lost by all the bugs that slows you down. It's not like NTSC-J OoT, it's way more horrible control wise.

Then again, it depends on what you care about : time or entertainment for viewers. And if you actually play Majora's Mask, you should have fun no matter how you wanna do your speedrun.

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Another thing to consider: I can easily beat jiano's 1:53 using N64 version even though he was on VC. Either way, SDA will accept an N64 run with better play quality over a VC one with worse play quality, even if the VC one is technically faster.

So I think I'll go with N64. I'm definitely gonna need a new controller before I can do that though, lol.

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Moved megahovers up stone tower to before GBT so it isn't so late in the run.

EDIT: Turns out flying zora is unnecessary too. I edited the route again to take that out. This should make that beginning much easier (no more stupid bullshit that wastes 15+ seconds if you fail it gg).

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Alright, my new N64 controller came in the mail yesterday, and it's amazing (I can actually run full speed without having to push as hard as I can on the stick). My only problem so far is that it's still sometimes kind of a pain in the ass to turn exactly 180 degrees (although it's much better than my old one) and HESS is a bit harder since I'm used to having a gigantic deadzone on my stick. Fortunately I'm starting to get used to it, so expect a finished run within the next week

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Sorry for the quadruple post.

I've eased up the route a bit, I think I made it a bit too hard for a single segment run to rely on (hence my constant resets). My route is now very similar to the WIP jiano wrote, with a few differences (mainly added HESSes). The main thing I had to cut out was the excess megaflips, which I've been failing a lot and have been actually LOSING time from rather than gaining time. I also cut the megahovers up stone tower (I can get it sometimes but I still fuck it up way too much to be reliable). There may be a few other differences from my old route but I don't think it's anything major.

I'm pretty sure a time of 1:52 or better (on N64) is submittable.

[aleckermit]

Sounds good. Keep at it Ing hope you get a good run soon.