Majora's Mask Any% SS/RTA

[ING-X]

RTA Route: http://www.zeldaspeedruns.com/mm/routes/any-rta

[bluemarth]

ing... all you did was add in was an extra bomb drop and hess, keeta made this route entirely >_>

[ING-X]

ing... all you did was add in was an extra bomb drop and hess, keeta made this route entirely >_>

iknorite :3

I fixed the bomb route, we forgot that you can just get bomb drops before and after depositing eggs. I also edited some things to be more specific.

[Exodus122]

Good luck with this ing

[MrGrunz]

you are either the good of bomb tricks or this is impossible xD

one question, why do you go to the swamp normally? I can't see any advantages

[Kaztalek]

saves explosives and has Pirates Fortress right after Zora Mask

I'm not sure if it's actually faster but it seems theoretically so.

[ING-X]

saves explosives and has Pirates Fortress right after Zora Mask

I'm not sure if it's actually faster but it seems theoretically so.

i actually thought about this today, not really sure if the time it takes to go through the path to the swamp makes up for the time gained by doing great bay in one visit. I think it probably does, though.

you are either the good of bomb tricks or this is impossible xD

Yo I'm almost as consistent with megaflips as I am with ISG what up.

I'm pretty comfortable with the old school stt bk skip (the one that has a vid on zsr), so I've added that to the route. I get it about as consistent as the one jiano uses and it's faster and saves more explosives.

[ING-X]

Alright I've confirmed that going to swamp first is faster. If you wrong warp before woodfall you have to do an extra bomb shop trip before woodfall, which also complicates the shit out of the rupee route, definitely wasting far more time than taking the path to the swamp. I've also finished testing the route, and everything seems to work out fine as it's written.

[MrGrunz]

hmm, I timed it back when I planned the TAS route and going to the swamp was way slower. I also can't see how doing great bay in one trip saves any time at all. there is no backtracking or anything if you don't do GB in one trip.

I believe you, though, if you timed it. other than that if there is a bomb route advantage it is quicker for sure.

good luck with the run btw

[Will0]

Son, I am proud

[ING-X]

Alright I've gotten rid of the 6 explosive GBT BK skip after determining that it is not only most likely slower (due to pretty much needing pause buffering), but is also way too hard for a single segment even with pause buffering. The height and angle needed is just way too precise.

EDIT: I just did some timing for keeta's new route, and this is what I found compared to my old route (which was basically the same thing as keeta's except it got adult's wallet and didn't delay zora mask):

skipping adult's wallet - 1:10 saved
path to swamp - 1:20 lost
deku bigocto skip - 0:40 lost
bombs after bottle dupe - 0:05 lost
2 extra bomb drops in gb - 0:10 lost
no sos to gb - 0:15 saved
less chus for gbt - 0:10 lost
no flying zora - 0:15 saved
extra bomb drops in snowhead - 0:20 lost
no ikana owl or swim to swamp - 0:45 saved
more chus in stt - 0:30 saved

TOTAL: 0:10 saved

Combine this with my old route, which had the following changes over jiano's 1:53 route:

hess in great bay - 0:05 saved
flying zora - 0:15 lost
hess through woods of mystery - 0:10 saved
zora hess to bigocto - 0:10 saved
no bomb shop trip before woodfall - 1:10 saved
megaflip to torch - 0:10 saved
megaflip bk skip - 0:05 lost
megahover into pf - 0:07 saved
no pause buffering in gbt - 0:15 saved
no bomb drops in snowhead temple - 0:20 saved
chu hovers to snowballs - 0:15 saved
megaflip gap to goht - 0:03 saved
hess to stone tower - 0:05 saved
no bomb shop trip before stt - 1:10 saved
5 less chus in stt - 0:20 lost
2 drops from nejirons - 0:20 lost (luck manipulation taken into account here)
old school stt bk skip - 0:15 saved
no pause buffering for bk skip - 0:30 saved

TOTAL: 3:45 saved

This means that the 2 routes combined save about 3:55 total. Take the turtle cs skip into account (which I timed to save 1:20) and we have an estimated 5:15 saved over jiano's 1:53. take about 3 minutes of N64 lag and loading times into account and that's still over 2 minutes saved over his run.

So my estimated time is around 1:51 for this run. goods hit.

EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT: OK I'M A FUCKING MORON. I mistimed the path to swamp to be 1:20 when it was actually 1:30 (I must have used the game clock and forgot about the gossip stone time stop and the deku mask cutscene). So keeta's route is actually A COUPLE SECONDS SLOWER than my old one.

Keeta I am disappoint. T_T

[ING-X]

Alright I'm kind of in a dilemma and I need some advice on what to do regarding the megahover up stone tower.

Megahovering up stone tower allows me to skip the bomb shop trip prior to entering the temple, which saves about a minute and 10 seconds. However, inside the temple I'll have to use 5 extra bombs and get 2 or 3 extra bomb drops from the nejirons, overall wasting about 40 seconds. This, combined with the fact that it doesn't even change the rupee route at all (skipping buying bombs after snowhead leaves me with 70R to buy steal chus with), means that the megahover up stone tower only saves about 30 seconds. Considering how late in the run it is and how hard it's going to be to get all those megaflips with the lag (which exists on every version of the game), I don't know if it's worth it.

Thoughts?

[AxonZin]

I think you should skip the megahovers. Way too much risk for too little reward, especially that late in the run.

[Siglemic]

dont do them, they are not reliable

[ING-X]

lol sig, megahovers are fine, it's just doing that many of them in a row that's a huge problem. It's why I had to cut woodfall BK skip down to 3 megaflips instead of 7.