100% TP Run GCN

[brynnagiadrosich]

Hello, I'm new to the world of speedrunning, and I've been planning to do a 100% of this game. It's one of my favorite Zelda's to mess around in (besides OOT), so I thought it would be a good one to start out with. I've only found partials of the runs on Youtube and such, so there are things later on that will take more time.

I've been doing a Wooden Sword challenge run on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=599473B0BB8DD567) and have been incorporating some speedrun techniques in the temples I've done so far (just a bit here and there, nothing huge major sequence breaking, lol), but want to take the game a little farther. The Wooden Sword run starts in Part 7, because I changed my mind partway through to do it instead of the Ordon Sword. That damn Midna text skip took me two hours to get, lol, but now I can keep the Wooden Sword the whole game, so that's nice.

I've been going over this page (it was listed in another topic): http://speedruns.wikia.com/wiki/Zelda_Twilight#Wii_100.25_route and this seems to be a good base to plan routes around. I want to try and optimize it as much as possible of course.

The one thing I don't really want to do is use a lot of sequence breaking like EMS or the fixed version, because first off, I'm not that great at the trick of getting on that ledge, and second, this is more of a casual run--I'm not out to break records here, considering it's my first. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to try my best to get the best possible time I can.

I've done a few tests so far, such as with fishing and such (I want to fill the fishing journal too with the bobber fishing you do, not the lure fishing), and have been also messing around with routes across hyrule field and in dungeons. I'm pretty efficient with the LJA with the boomerang, but sometimes precision jumping I have trouble with. The Wooden Sword run I'm doing is almost a testing ground to see how much I can do and such.

Thanks for any help and advice you might have for a first time serious speedrunner. I also want to know if anyone has actually completed a 100% run of it (without major sequence breaking) and if you know where it might be posted so I can take a look at it to get ideas for the route.

[brynnagiadrosich]

I did some Epona running tests this morning, just to see if a theory worked out. Would like opinions on the matter:

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=knjW6Fh5mco

Test Order:

No spurs control.
Waiting for spur refill.
Jump start waiting for refill.
Dismounting for refill.
Jump start dismounting for refill.
Slow spur refill.

I think that backflipping off to refill the spurs is a touch faster, but whether it's practical or not is the question, or if it's even faster. Thanks for taking a look and giving ideas on what you think.

[Chimpas]

It's nice that you want to do testing of this game, cuz you might find out something interesting, about the route you posted up there, I wrote it mysels, tested it and confirmed it works really well, if you try to improve it, do your best cuz I'm shure it is unimprovable (may be I forgot to write some small tricks there).
 About finishing the run, I did it, without major breaks because the route does not have them in order to be a 100%, I has faron early and CitS early but they save around 10 minutes and not hours as in the any%.
 I consider pretty much boring doing a run without major breaks, the wooden sword challenge seems interesting, but I am not thinking much at it, may be some others speedrunners will.

[mzxrules]

A 100% TP run by definition is pretty much absent of sequence breaks anyway, because getting EMS screws up something royally (but i forget what exactly), and Early CitS skips the horse call. However, how is it that you'll do Sword and Shield skip, but not EMS? EMS isn't that hard, unless maybe if you do it as a human.

For me, a Wooden Sword "Challenge" doesn't really interest me that much. The only real difference is that everything takes 4x as long to kill, and it's not that hard to avoid getting hit by just about everything in the game.

[Venick409]

because getting EMS screws up something royally (but i forget what exactly), out everything in the game.

I believe that Would be, not being able to do Goron mines.

[brynnagiadrosich]

A 100% TP run by definition is pretty much absent of sequence breaks anyway, because getting EMS screws up something royally (but i forget what exactly), and Early CitS skips the horse call. However, how is it that you'll do Sword and Shield skip, but not EMS? EMS isn't that hard, unless maybe if you do it as a human.

For me, a Wooden Sword "Challenge" doesn't really interest me that much. The only real difference is that everything takes 4x as long to kill, and it's not that hard to avoid getting hit by just about everything in the game.

I spent only about two hours getting the Sword/Shield skip, and have only been able to accomplish EMS on the Wii, but not my gamecube version. I spent four hours trying to get up on the ledge (the easier one), and Link keeps sliding off as soon as I get up, it was rather frustrating. As for the Wooden Sword challenge, for me it is, because it's really my first challenge on anything, so I'm having a lot of fun with it.

It's nice that you want to do testing of this game, cuz you might find out something interesting, about the route you posted up there, I wrote it mysels, tested it and confirmed it works really well, if you try to improve it, do your best cuz I'm shure it is unimprovable (may be I forgot to write some small tricks there).
 About finishing the run, I did it, without major breaks because the route does not have them in order to be a 100%, I has faron early and CitS early but they save around 10 minutes and not hours as in the any%.
 I consider pretty much boring doing a run without major breaks, the wooden sword challenge seems interesting, but I am not thinking much at it, may be some others speedrunners will.

I didn't mean to imply that the guide was bad, sorry if I came across that way, it looks rather fantastic actually. I like to test things a lot so please don't take offense at that. I mainly want to do a 100% run too because everyone is adamant about how horrible it is, and I guess I'm just stubborn that way. *shrug* I'm just crazy I guess, but at least I admit it, lol.

I just like a challenge, and I just really want to do it. I know people are really against the idea, but I'm rather determined to do this. Even if no one watches it, I'll still do it, because I like to push myself with games, and with speedrunning, it'll be nice to go a little farther.

I've been studying tricks and such, and I know I'm extremely new at this and somewhat noobish, but everyone has to start somewhere I guess, and I want to be able to post up segments and get some critiques on how to go faster, what I've done wrong, where I can improve and such like that. Like I said, this is a somewhat casual run, just for fun, but I want to get as fast as I personally can go. Not sure if people like it when someone does speedrunning for fun, but I would appreciate any help.

[Razor7581]

I spent only about two hours getting the Sword/Shield skip, and have only been able to accomplish EMS on the Wii, but not my gamecube version. I spent four hours trying to get up on the ledge (the easier one), and Link keeps sliding off as soon as I get up, it was rather frustrating.

GCN EMS is incredibly simple. If you're having trouble, make sure to check out logitechSDAZ's vid of it. I don't really have much advice as experience is a good portion of it.

[brynnagiadrosich]

GCN EMS is incredibly simple. If you're having trouble, make sure to check out logitechSDAZ's vid of it. I don't really have much advice as experience is a good portion of it.

I've watched that video so many times, and have tried it for hours, like I said, but he won't stay on the ledge for me on the GCN. Wii was fine, I managed to do it there, but GC won't do it for me. *shrug* The sword and shield skip was less frustrating compared to this.

[brynnagiadrosich]

Just got done doing a ton of fishing statistics and have found some interesting things. A friend of mine is helping me plan some things and test things, unfortunately he has the Wii version but I'm testing the stuff he can't test and he's helping me with stuff he can.

So we did some fishing. He has a completed file, and I'm using a copy of my wooden sword file, which is just before the Lakebed temple, after the escort mission.

He was using the coral earring/no bait and I had just the basic rod/bee larvae. I knew that the coral earring is good for catching better fish, but I wanted to see how different it was compared to the regular basic rod with bait on it.

I caught two pikes in an hour of fishing, the rest were the greengills.

He caught the Ordon Catfish from the section where you get the bottle, five bass, three pike, one hylian loach, and the sinking lure from the main area. He caught two greengills in the hour of fishing.

Not sure if this information will help anyone, especially because the fish journal might not be required in a 100%, but I'm including it in my run. I thought it was an interesting find, and this will also put my fishing time sometime in the game after I get the coral earring.

I've also done some testing with how often the blue rupee shows up in the grass outside of the ranch when you run through with Epona, but havn't come to a conclusion yet.

[ComboKing]

Fish are going to push the time too far lol have fun. Also don't double post.

[brynnagiadrosich]

I didn't think double posting was bad, sorry. I thought since it was information, people wouldn't mind. That and not a whole lot of people think that 100% for this game is a good idea, lol. Well, I mainly just gathered the fish information because I wanted to, I might drop it later on, might not. I have lots of time to figure it out since I wouldn't fish anyway until after the coral earring.

I'm getting better at the slide off of Epona, that's for sure. I can get it pretty much every time.

What part have you practiced up to? Or are you allowed to say, lol?

[Razor7581]

I've watched that video so many times, and have tried it for hours, like I said, but he won't stay on the ledge for me on the GCN. Wii was fine, I managed to do it there, but GC won't do it for me. *shrug* The sword and shield skip was less frustrating compared to this.

Sword & shield skip was a lot more frustrating for me, so let me try to give you some tips on EMS. Make sure Link is standing in front of the tree pictured in the vid, and make sure that when you lure the twilight messanger, that he is as close to the wall as possible. If there is a gap between him and the wall reset his positioning cause you almost certainly won't get it right. Make sure that when Link jumps he does so diagnoly over the messanger's head onto the ledge. Press forward on the analog stick if you're not sure.

[brynnagiadrosich]

Okay, I'll try getting him as close to the wall as possible--does it matter where the camera is, maybe? I tend to fidgit with the camera a bit while doing this, so that might be causing something to mess up. Yeah, the jump usually goes okay, and he'll land on the ledge, but no matter where I land and how, he just slides right off. >.<

I'll try it again using your tips though, because I do want to accomplish this on the GCN version and not the Wii, lol. Thanks for the tips!

[ComboKing]

I'm at Arbiter's Ground Also it might just be me who doesn't like double posting.

[Razor7581]

Okay, I'll try getting him as close to the wall as possible--does it matter where the camera is, maybe? I tend to fidgit with the camera a bit while doing this, so that might be causing something to mess up. Yeah, the jump usually goes okay, and he'll land on the ledge, but no matter where I land and how, he just slides right off. >.<

I don't know about the camera, but I nromally have it somewhat behind Link.

I'll try it again using your tips though, because I do want to accomplish this on the GCN version and not the Wii, lol. Thanks for the tips!

You're welcome.