The 73 C-item Challenge

[Lexkeeta]

What's the least amount of c-item usage to beat the game?
This counts as a c-item use:
-using items like gfs and lot
-every time you use a number item, like bombs or arrows
-putting on/taking off masks
-handing c-items for events, like in curiosity shop
-pressing x, y, and z on gcn does not circumvent this
This doesn't:
-assigning items to c in the pause menu
-normal c-presses like notes in ocarina songs and lookin with c-up

Test Route by RingRush and Keeta with some help from Cerpin and Darkeye:
Cycle 1:
-to clocktown
-skip to night of 3rd day
-get laundry pool fairy
-enter NCT normally
-get magic
-moon tear skip
-get ocarina
-song of time (1)

Cycle 2:
-aim for 50r before sonata, mostly from palace while waiting for day 2
-backwalk to southern swamp cutscene
-big octo skip
-To deku palace
-get bean
-plant bean, wait for day 2 (2)
-to monkey
-get soa (3)
-back to clocktown
-get soh
-deposit rupees
-song of time (4)

Cycle 3:
-get GFM
-withdraw 50r
-buy bomb bag
-exit WCT, backwalk to swamp
-find koume, get red potion
-back to clock town
-wait until night, get Bremen’s Mask
-dupe bottle over empty c, bremen’s mask, GFM, deku mask (
-get blast mask
-back to swamp
-put on deku mask (9)
-big octo skip
-get song of soaring
-to woodfall, raise and enter temple (10)
-flowers to next room, take off deku mask (11)
-go down ramp, isg off baba for nuts
-go back up, put on blast mask (12)
-hover to other side
-to bow room
-take off blast mask and beat lizalfos (13)
-get bow
-go to bk skip room
-isg + ss off bomb to oob (14)
-put on blast mask, bk skip (15)
-beat odolwa with blast mask off (16)
-HC and oath
-head back to termina field
-leever hover over gate to great bay
-activate observatory owl, push zora to shore
-play soh to get zora mask (17)
-equip zora mask (18)
-get 3 eggs from pinnacle rock in duped bottles (21)
-play sot (22)

Cycle 4:
-sos to Great Bay (23)
-get an egg from pinnacle rock in a duped bottle (24)
-sot (25)

Cycle 5:
-sos to Great Bay (26)
-drop off 4 eggs (30)
-get bomb drop behind observatory
-get 3 eggs from pinnacle rock in any bottles (33)
-drop off eggs (36)
-learn NWBN (37)
-to turtle, play NWBN (38)
-become human, ISG off of Lolo, blast mask hover to turtle (40)
-remove blast mask, first room with no explosives using jslash strat (41)
-bomb for isg, equip blast mask and hover oob and sidehop to boss loading zone (43)
-defeat Gyorg with Zora, get HC and remains [makes you human again] (44)
-play sot (45)

Cycle 6:
-isot (46)
-to termina field
-isg off gossip stone and hover through ice
-to mountain village (boe ss past snowballs)
-to the path to snowhead, jslash spam across steep edges
-grab bomb drop at bottom of snowhead, ISG off sign
-equip blast mask, hover up to snowhead temple (47)
-block skip in first room
-use blast mask recoil flip in freezerd bridge room
-unequip blast mask, use bomb for isg, hover up to fire arrow room with blast mask (50)
-take off blast mask, kill wizrobe and get fire arrows (51)
-ISG off bomb again, blast mask up again (53)
-crouch to lose isg, blast recoil bk skip
-Fire Arrow Goht (54)
-beat goht with blasts
-HC and remains
-sot (55)

Cycle 7:
-isot (56)
-to NCT, take off blast mask (57)
-get bomb drop from bushes, head to fairy fountain
-bomb + blast mask for ISG and hover (59)
-hover all the way to Ikana fairy fountain
-bombs in plant
-to sone tower, take off mask (60)
-isg off bomb and blast hover to stt (62)
-take off mask (63)
-hover over sun block with bomb and blasts (65)
-to key room, dek hand throw to key
-blow up hand with blast and go back
-open locked door, take off mask (66)
-damage isg off bo
-backflip on mirror, blast hover to top of sun block (67)
-blast recoils in updraft room
-beat garo master with blasts
-get light arrows
-continue to outside stt
-blast recoil to side of temple
-sidehop light arrow inversion (68)
-go in istt
-light arrow sun block (69)
-blast recoil updraft to dex hand
-blast recoil to eyegore bridge
-beat eyegore with blasts
-get giants mask
-blast recoil down to bk skip area
-blast recoil to pots
-take off mask (70)
-damage isg off flying pot (o god)
-put on blast, bk skip (71)
-put on giants mask, beat twinmold (72)
-hc and remains
-top of clocktower
-play oath (73)
-beat majora with sword
-doneass games

Let us know any flaws/improvements you find.

People who have beat the game in 73 or less C:
-lol ya right

[Zero]

No shield imo.

[RingRush]

Too many arbitrary goals, keep them to a minimum.. IMO, Uber challenge should be:

1. Two cycles
2. 1 bomb shop trip
3. Low% items (Hookshot, not blast mask, chus are allowed)

Possibly a 4 - No BK Skips if that is doable under the above three conditions.

Actually, simply low% no bk skips is probably good enough. If we released one to GameFAQs, thats what it should be.

No shield is really bad, since you are crippled w/o shield in MM. 95% of sbs become impossible.

[Lexkeeta]

Too many arbitrary goals, keep them to a minimum.. IMO, Uber challenge should be:

1. Two cycles
2. 1 bomb shop trip
3. Low% items (Hookshot, not blast mask, chus are allowed)

Possibly a 4 - No BK Skips if that is doable under the above three conditions.

Actually, simply low% no bk skips is probably good enough. If we released one to GameFAQs, thats what it should be.

No shield is really bad, since you are crippled w/o shield in MM. 95% of sbs become impossible.

This isn't for gamefaqs. The goal is to be the hardest possible way to complete the game.

[Jiano]

You cannot get FD mask in one cycle. Also, bk skipping is more difficult than doing the dungeons without. Just try GBT BK skip without chus, you'll wanna die.

[Lexkeeta]

what makes fd impossible?

[SD2]

what makes fd impossible?

For one, you can't get blast mask and couple's mask in the same cycle.  There's probably a couple other things.

[Lexkeeta]

true

work on improving idea 2, then

[Jiano]

Are you allowed to save/quit? I'd say doing low% in one cycle might not be doable if you can't. Hell, it might not be doable even if you can. No SoS and no SoT complicates things greatly.

[Lexkeeta]

there's song of soaring, you get it cycle 1, and owl statues are allowed.

if its undoable ill make this 3 cycles and just add more shit to make it hard

[Jiano]

there's song of soaring, you get it cycle 1, and owl statues are allowed.

if its undoable ill make this 3 cycles and just add more shit to make it hard

No SoS is part of what makes low% difficult and different from any%, imo. So I'd say no SoS.

[Lexkeeta]

updated: test some shit bros

Edit: made it way better

[RingRush]

This is so arbitrary it is terrible. Challenges are supposed to elegant to describe, hard to perform.

[Lexkeeta]

challenges are supposed to be challenging

"low% with X" is just uninspired and boring

Edit: come up for a route of least transformation mask uses possible, if it's hard enough, that can work. Because that means things like getting into PF as Link, Gyorg without Zora Mask, and STT small key without zora mask... just off the top of my head

[RingRush]

That actually sounds like a great idea, I'll meditate on it tonight. It would also do things like beans cycle 1 so you can get Sonata of Awakening and rise woodfall before learning Song of Healing (and thus skip ever having to transform into Deku again).

Edit: Actually, I'd have to go through the route in my head, but I think it is possible with only -1- transformation (not counting becoming child link again or the deku stuff at the start). For Great Bay, you can become Zora, get 3 eggs from pinnacle rock in duped bottles, play sot, sos back, get an egg in another duped bottle, play sot, sos back, drop off the four eggs, get 3 more from pinnacle rock, return them and learn NWBN, head to turtle and play it. All that should be doable without becoming human again...we'd need 4 items to dupe over though. I'd guess Deku Mask, Deku Nuts, Deku Sticks, and Bremen's Mask (maybe empty C thrown in there, or maybe even Bow depending on when we do GBT). You would still want to visit fortress as normal link in order to get hookshot for Stone Tower / Snowhead Temple.