MM: Trick Research & Discovery Thread

[stonenot]

Possible new goht strat?
Only difference with this one and SVA's strat is the lack of sidehopping, idk if this can be easily replicated though.

it looks like all you did was just get lucky and not get hit by the lightning

[bluephantom340]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X_6226vrwI - Skip Pinnacle Rock
EDIT: More
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euDSvQ653wE - Infinite Time on Honey & Darling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpwGGxGu7P0 - Infinite Time on Treasure Chest Game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vWZl-CDr1k - Fight Odolwa on Epona
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBOJ1WUp-3o - Oath to Order Drop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onW9mUVglsE - Freeze in Sakon's Hideout
Also, the Skipping Pinnacle Rock thing may turn out to not be faster, since it gets rid of the stuff that you normally lose when playing song of time and you have to dupe 7 bottles.

[Jeville]

Yes, skipping Pinnacle Rock is slower. Does get me thinking for some quirky applications with stored Song of Time message.

[ING-X]

The thing is, skipping the Pinnacle Rock eggs is almost definitely slower. Pinnacle rock and the 3 PF eggs take approximately the same amount of time (2:50). Since you need 3 extra bottles, you would need to dupe over deku mask, meaning you would need to take the old route which duped over deku and skipped bremen, costing 20 seconds. However, then you would need to get bremen anyway, costing an additional 35 seconds. Three extra bottle dupes would cost an additional 25-30 seconds as well. Ignoring the fact that you would need an additional 2 masks (which probably costs well over a minute), the fact that you lose all your chus and rupees because of the egg dupe glitch means that you would need to either take an extra bomb shop trip (costs 1:10) or postpone the pre-bottle dupe shop trip until later (costs 0:40 at least because of the 2 extra SoS). At this point, you're losing at least 2 minutes. Unless the extra masks and the extra time spent in PF combined are less than 50 seconds (pretty much zero chance), skipping pinnacle rock is slower.

[Jeville]

So what would happen if you select Yes from the stored SoT message right after or before collecting the remains from the blue warp?

[Slowking]

I just had a thought. This reset thing should enable us to get blast mask and all night mask in one cycle, thus breaking the 4 cycle limit for 100%.
Could somebody with skill test that?
Not sure if that would actually help anything, but it would be damn cool.

Also maybe you could use that to store a SoS in the sea side observatory and use it later to warp out of pinacle...
Is storing SoS possible?

[bluephantom340]

I just had a thought. This reset thing should enable us to get blast mask and all night mask in one cycle, thus breaking the 4 cycle limit for 100%.
Could somebody with skill test that?
Not sure if that would actually help anything, but it would be damn cool.

Also maybe you could use that to store a SoS in the sea side observatory and use it later to warp out of pinacle...
Is storing SoS possible?

It is but after you load a dialogue box, the map SoS thing immediately comes up.

[Kaztalek]

song of time storage allows for every category to be 2 cycles, including 100%

new trick also allows for ocarina dive

[bluephantom340]

So what would happen if you select Yes from the stored SoT message right after or before collecting the remains from the blue warp?

It won't work because if you load the SOT dialogue in the boss room, you will get a "Your notes echoed far" or something like that.

[Slowking]

song of time storage allows for every category to be 2 cycles, including 100%

new trick also allows for ocarina dive

Weren't there some events that happen at the same time? How would you be able to get them all in one cycle? That might be a little optimistic.
Also you still can't split the letter to madame aroma. So I would say it's still a 3 cycle minimum.

[Jeville]

How do you Ocarina dive? When I tried, he just drops down without taking it out.

It won't work because if you load the SOT dialogue in the boss room, you will get a "Your notes echoed far" or something like that.

Not during the battle though, only after it's over it will say that.

Weren't there some events that happen at the same time?

It's not every event that we need to be presented on time before it begins. Anju can wait all night for you, the dancing guru will appear and dance all night, etc. Your presence to be on time on the dot only matters for when Sakon starts stealing and the aliens to show up, due to their cutscene nature.

[Kaztalek]

Weren't there some events that happen at the same time? How would you be able to get them all in one cycle? That might be a little optimistic.
Also you still can't split the letter to madame aroma. So I would say it's still a 3 cycle minimum.

If you store song of time, when opening a dialogue box, the sot text comes up asking to save. If you choose yes, the cycle resets (lose temporary items) but you don't go back in time. So you can get blast mask, postman's hat, and chateau romani bottle in the same cycle, I confirmed it myself.

[bluephantom340]

It does the cutscene when the secret passage is opening but theres no woodfall temple. I have that demonstrated in the Epona fighting Odolwa video. Oh and you do the ocarina dive by holding any direction and mashing the ocarina.

[Slowking]

If you store song of time, when opening a dialogue box, the sot text comes up asking to save. If you choose yes, the cycle resets (lose temporary items) but you don't go back in time. So you can get blast mask, postman's hat, and chateau romani bottle in the same cycle, I confirmed it myself.

Hmm guess you can get the letter again when you glitch into kafeis hideout. Is that right?
Didn't know the guy was still there at a time where you can give the latter to madame aroma or the postman.

[GlitchesAndStuff]

Giant cutscene skip for all bosses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhqoKXOlnqs