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Author Topic: Majora's Mask 3D: Speedrunning Discussion | Research & Discovery | Ask Questions  (Read 45689 times)
hcbboyhammer12
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« on: February 19, 2015, 03:01:55 am »

This is the glitch research and discovery topic! I have also compiled a list of useful links for those wishing to start speed running the game. Note that this list may be subject to change as by my (hcbboyhammer12) discretion or that of the staff members of Zelda Speed Runs.

List of Useful MM 3D Links (I do not own any of these, I just compiled this list):
Official MM 3D ZSR Page: http://zeldaspeedruns.com/mm3d/

Useful Spreadsheets/Documents
Mega MM 3D Glitch List: http://bombch.us/ybP
Alternative Glitch List: http://bombch.us/zHS
MM 3D Wrong Warp Table: http://bombch.us/zCR

Routes
Any% (last updated Feb. 20, 2015): http://www.zeldaspeedruns.com/mm3d/route/any
100%: TBD
Glitchless (last updated Feb. 20, 2015): http://pastebin.com/Ddkyx5GM

MM 3D Streamers (in no particular order; If you would like to be added as a MM 3D streamer, please send your Stream info. to me in a PM here on the forums, and I will add you)
Benstephens56: http://www.twitch.tv/benstephens56/
TDutchNick96: http://www.twitch.tv/tdutchnick96/
FullGrownGaming: http://www.twitch.tv/fullgrowngaming/
gabyelnuevo: http://www.twitch.tv/gabyelnuevo/
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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2015, 04:53:54 am »

Little time saver confirmed for the glitchless crowd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg2n5XVxtq0

(tbh it just looks cool)
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2015, 05:27:12 am »

http://youtu.be/-V4_UPAOIOo

For those who like buffering. It's really consistent considering the setups for this method are yolo. This is using a setup found by a youtuber by the name of David E.
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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2015, 10:40:38 am »

MM 3D Wrong Warp table: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VEn4pgibY-MYAC8ecQZxtyrsLXC9ogClDKiTmA66FlQ/edit?usp=sharing
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2015, 11:17:11 am »

Alright I'm posting this here even though there's no way to achieve this without cheats and has no apparent effect, I find it interesting.
So I was messing around with my Action Replay PowerSaves and found this curiosity.
I started a new save file and saved at the owl as soon as I was able to walk around Clock Town(1st cycle as Deku Link).
Then I activated all mask cheat and booted the game up again. When I talk to the Bombers as Link they give this ERROR message because I'm supposed to have the Bombers Notebook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_cerXhpLjU
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thestickystickman
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2015, 02:51:11 pm »

Alright I'm posting this here even though there's no way to achieve this without cheats and has no apparent effect, I find it interesting.
So I was messing around with my Action Replay PowerSaves and found this curiosity.
I started a new save file and saved at the owl as soon as I was able to walk around Clock Town(1st cycle as Deku Link).
Then I activated all mask cheat and booted the game up again. When I talk to the Bombers as Link they give this ERROR message because I'm supposed to have the Bombers Notebook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_cerXhpLjU

I think that's to be expected, they couldn't tell whether you had finished whatever random event they were going to tell you about, so they just spat out a generic error message.
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Jeville
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2015, 02:58:37 pm »

If they will never alert you with anything, it would be like the original game. Pretty cool.
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2015, 03:16:11 pm »

I found a way to get Bottle on B as Link and Goron. By doing BA with Links B Bottle you get the same effect as GnS did when doing GIM.
Game thinks you are on the first cycle so you get the first cycle Termina, in gear it says that you only have the ocarina and no other instruments, you can't use any of the instruments.

Start of by getting bottle on B as Goron.
To get Bottle on B as goron you dupe over the ocarina in curiosity shop. (Do collection delay, take out ocarina, put it away). Instead of overwriting the ocarina, it will overwrite Goron Links B item.
Now go to Honey & Darling and use Goron Transformation Storage.
As soon as the minigame starts, put the mask back in your inventory, this will transform you back to Link.
End the minigame.

You will now have Bottle on B as Link.

This would've been much faster if it was possible to do it with Deku Link, as you can easily get bottle on B for deku. (Just ESS dupe when you are out of magic)
The problem is that I haven't found a way to make link take off the deku mask during H&D, so we have to use Goron or Zora instead, and I don't think there's a known way to get Bottle on B as zora.
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2015, 04:01:04 pm »


Fantastic job! How did you manage to sort this out? Is it data pulled from the N64 version, or is there a good method for dumping 3DS memory data? It would be nice if we could actually look at what data the gibdo glitch writes so we can find a reliable way to WW.

The glitch is actually really reliable if you do it correctly. Simply kill Goth to turn the map into spring, save and restart the game. Start a timer the second you start the game, load your save, run to the hot spring and wait until the timer reaches 2:10. Fill the glitched bottle, play inverted song of time, fill the bottle again and run out. 10/10
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2015, 07:41:09 pm »

I just found text storage with the previous ERROR message from Bombers that I uploaded I found that it actually stores the text that the Bomber was supposed to say, and so when I talk to the girls dancing the text then pops up. It also pops up when you talk to Tatl. It seems to only work on some NPCs' text. For example, postman and guard don't trigger the text to pop up for some reason.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juJ1V7BQiXU
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Jeville
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2015, 09:50:39 pm »

When I talk to the Bombers as Link they give this ERROR message because I'm supposed to have the Bombers Notebook.
Yeah, I think it's also because the bombers don't have 'Where are you from?' dialogue for human Link anymore.

Edit: I came across a music glitch, but don't know how to replicate it yet. Parts of the final 6 hours music was still playing after I went back in time and it meshes with the music of the area I was in. The effect will not go away after changing areas until I reset the game. How this happened is I went back in time after entering the Great Bay Temple for the first time with little time remaining.
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2015, 03:21:18 am »

I cannot figure out how timestop works in this game, can someone please explain how it works, and what the inputs are?
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2015, 09:03:19 am »

I found a way to get Bottle on B as Link and Goron. By doing BA with Links B Bottle you get the same effect as GnS did when doing GIM.
Game thinks you are on the first cycle so you get the first cycle Termina, in gear it says that you only have the ocarina and no other instruments, you can't use any of the instruments.

Start of by getting bottle on B as Goron.
To get Bottle on B as goron you dupe over the ocarina in curiosity shop. (Do collection delay, take out ocarina, put it away). Instead of overwriting the ocarina, it will overwrite Goron Links B item.
Now go to Honey & Darling and use Goron Transformation Storage.
As soon as the minigame starts, put the mask back in your inventory, this will transform you back to Link.
End the minigame.

You will now have Bottle on B as Link.

This would've been much faster if it was possible to do it with Deku Link, as you can easily get bottle on B for deku. (Just ESS dupe when you are out of magic)
The problem is that I haven't found a way to make link take off the deku mask during H&D, so we have to use Goron or Zora instead, and I don't think there's a known way to get Bottle on B as zora.

In theory you shouldn't have to BA with link's B button bottle, just catch anything in the bottle and it should also write it to the ocarina 'slot' which triggers 1st cycle shenanigans. But catching HSW in it would also allow us to perform the BA with slot 0 (ocarina) which wasn't possible before Smiley

I cannot figure out how timestop works in this game, can someone please explain how it works, and what the inputs are?

Do mask storage with a bottled item out (read up on it on ZSR) and then sidehop, while in the air let go of shield & re-hold shield. Try to press the bottle button just as link lands.  If you don't get it, repeat the process (sidehop, Let go of R, hold R, press bottle)
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2015, 09:07:03 am »

Also, the MM3D tricks document in the first post is the old one which got graffiti'd a while back. There's a new nicer one which has continued receiving full updates: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M0k0t16HvEakN8kBkSruca5-QS_whJB0ICq8hlYXtjE/edit#gid=0
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2015, 10:56:45 am »

The old one was fine last night and it was updated with two sheets to differentiate between the old and new glitches. It also had several descriptions more updated than in the new one (FD anywhere is one), and most of the graffiti I've seen were only in the titles with the rest fairly organized but that's all lost now.

I noticed that Epona's position no longer resets with Song of Time. What happens if we manage to place her where she normally can't be, dismount and then reload the area? Will she be back at the ranch, or be completely gone until the song is played?
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