ZSR IRC Meetup/talk - Summary
GlitchesAndStuff:
We had a meetup in #Zelda today [2015/02/08]. In the meetup we discussed a lot of things with the site, forums, marathon, and irc. I'll post a summary of what we decided here. Please post replies in this thread if you want to discuss something further or talk about anything below!
ZSR Forums
The forums have been very inactive over the past couple of years, however with a few fixes to the forums, it's hopeful that they will be busy againThe forums are the best place to document and discuss community things, so people should be encouraged to use them as much as possible!The main point about forums is that the forums software needs to be updated and the site needs to be redoneFix email notifications and perhaps add some sort of notification through twitter system in which direct replies to your posts or in threads notify you on twitter? Either way, a setup that allows for notifying when certain posts are madePassword reset/account recovery should be addedA way to link accounts with main site accounts would be greatFix the new account creation - main priority - system is sending out emails againOccasionally there is a session timeout error? patchedThere should be an IRC bot to announce new important thread creations and potentially replies in some topics
ZSR Twitter account/Announcements
Site mods and admins should be encouraged to use the ZSR twitter account more to tweet about relevant news and info regarding the site and speedruns in general. Stuff like new glitches/routes/community decisions/eventsThe feeling is that the ZSR twitter account is annoying at the moment and doesn't serve much purpose. Tweeting out verified runs is pretty much all it does and people tend to dislike that it spams their twitter accountsThe agreed on solution was to only tweet publicly for people who get a time which puts them in the top 10 for each category (or x number of pbs), for times below 10th place, the account would tweet directly at the runner so that it wouldn't show up on most people's feeds.When tweeting for submitted runs, tweet with the rank no. of the speedrun including "No. 1" instead of "World Record"
ZSR main site
In order to vastly improve the functionality, we've decided to move to a wiki style for game pages on ZSR. This would let us edit things a lot easier and allow for a much more up-to-date and smoother experience both as an editor and userInstead of having specific game editors, users would instead just need a ZSR account in order to edit pages on the site. This should allow more people to edit the site and not be put off by trying to find an admin and prove themselves worthyIn order to overcome vandalism or bad data, ZSR would keep track of version history of each page which would allow us to restore older versions of pagesAlso it was decided that we have some basic spambot detection in place for account creation on the main siteMods and admins should be notified whenever a page is edited and there should be a big page of recent edits to help keep the site clean and ensure the edits being made are beneficial to the siteIf need be, certain pages would be locked so that only mods and admins can edit themCertain accounts would be able to be blocked from all page editing and have all their edits revertedThe front page should show all games
#Zelda IRC
The overall feel is that before the new Ocarina of Time glitch was found, #Zelda IRC has been very quiet and inactive. It was decided that finding more glitches is one of the best ways to make it more activeIn general, use of the IRC server wasn't talked about much, perhaps there should be more talk about why #mm and #sweden talk are not done in #zelda etc.There should be an IRC bot to announce both forum stuff and main site stuff (like edits+page creation)
ZSR Mumble
The ZSR mumble channel should be discussed more and should be advertised more so that people actually know about itThe server for the last ZSR mumble actually ran out recently so TR is considering getting another one/renewingHopefully more info soon? http://forums.zeldaspeedruns.com/index.php?topic=1388.0
ZSR Marathon(s)
ZSRM 2015 would likely on site rather than online like the last oneLocation in penn, two possible places, for potentially more updates see: http://forums.zeldaspeedruns.com/index.php?topic=1699.0The date would be July 10-13th
Leaderboards
The leaderboards are pretty much the best thing we have on ZSR, we're reluctant of changing the layout of them too much and we're not going to move to speedrun.com but we'll be considering some changes/There isn't very much point in having verification for the majority of times, the slower speedruns tend to either never get verified or get verified without anyone even looking at them anywayIt's important to know which top times are legitimate and considered ZSR legal though, as these are the ones that people are most likely going to be looking atWe want to be as accurate as possible in showing good and valid speedruns but we also want to encourage the newer players, it seems to be slightly unfair on the players with higher times if their runs never get verified but the top times doWe want to move from a verification system to a system where you would instead flag a submission for cheating or bad timing or other stuff like that. The idea is that every run above a certain rank gets put up on the leaderboards automatically and anyone can flag the runs for deletion and leave a comment for a moderator if something bad is spotted in them.For the top speedruns, verification by a mod or admin would still be required. This way we can preserve the quality of the top times on the leaderboards while being kinder to the new speedrunners with the higher times.Of course, a top player who is also a mod or admin should not be able to verify their own timeWe are unsure as of now whether to show or hide those top unverified timesNotifications to moderators when new runs are posted that are waiting for verification would help this alongFor OoT, there was talk about multi-tiered leaderboards but the opinion on these were very split. More info here: http://forums.zeldaspeedruns.com/index.php?topic=1786.0“Unregistered user submissions are still broken” - this was a point made but we didn't really discuss it muchModerators should be able to edit game rules (mods can already edit game rules but not category rules)A ZSR leaderboards data API is a must-have at this point reallyPotentially new ways of sorting which categories show in which order, by number of runs submitted per week for example
ZSR Admins/Editors/Management teams
With the new site format, site editors are no longer needed to make new pages. The other role site editors had was to verify runs, which is also something that will be changing soonIt was very hard choosing editors before and there was no good system. With the new site layout this problem is gone but we will still need some moderatorsModerators would be responsible for viewing main site page edits and potentially reverting them, as well as locking user accounts on the site/leaderboards. They would also be responsible for verifying the top times in the zelda games.There should be quite a few moderators but not too many like we currently have with site editors otherwise things get messy. Moderators would get appointed by admins, probably though trust and volunteering. The community of course can have a say in who they think should be a mod!We basically need to make a list of all the roles of a moderator and write a forum post about it or somethingAdmins on the other hand would be a group of individuals who should be often in contact with eachother and who oversee the site. They would have full site access, be able to ban accounts, post news on the front page of ZSR and moreAdmins would be added through the process of the ZSR owner (Maxx) proposing a new member with their consent, and the community has a vote to determine whether to accept or reject them candidate.Suggested (potential) admins: Maxx, TestRunner, GlitchesAndStuff, ZFG1, mzxrules, TompaIt would be absolutely required that the admins can and do communicate with each other on a frequent basis so that changes can be made efficiently, the site can run better, and everyone will just know what's going on a whole lot better in general.There should be some kind of public list or page of all the moderators and admins with links to their pages and/or contact detailsIt's important that many different people are able to contribute to the code of ZSR so that it can be actively worked on and improved instead of just maxx being burdened with doing everything himselfWe talked about it being a good idea to move the site code onto a private githubThings were discussed for people working on ZSR site, a small group of ZSR developers who can all access the site or potentially only maxx having access to the site but accepting any submits for code contributions. Ideally we'd want to encourage as many people who want to do good work on ZSR as possible and make it easy for them to contribute.
Misc.
With updates going on for both the main site and the forums, we wanted to get the forums accounts linked up with the main site accounts but we're really not sure how easy or possible that is going to beWe should maybe do more big talks like this every so often!
Tompa:
I'll be there! *Except that I completely forgot about it and didn't show anyway :-[*
Zelkys:
Quote from: Tompa on February 04, 2015, 06:00:33 AM
I'll be there!
Same :)
thiefbug:
I'm gonna be there - but I doubt that any of these affect me :D
GlitchesAndStuff:
We had the talk today, I updated the first post in the topic to include a summary of what we discussed. Post any questions or points you want to make below this message!
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