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Author Topic: ST Research and discovery thread  (Read 38990 times)
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« on: December 09, 2009, 01:49:42 am »

When going to the castle the first time luck manipulate the trans so you can take the fastest route.

When sneaking Zelda out of the castle use 1 line to get past the first 2 guards.

After fighting a boss, savewarp instead of going in the warp.

1st boss - Stagnox: When the battle starts slash his head and he will immediately begin to attack.  Go around and whirlwind his ass and do *6* normal slashes (NO jumpslashes).  Move back slightly and use the whirlwind again to keep him down and use another 6 slashes to get him to the 2nd phase.  For the 2nd phase always use normal slashes (again, NO jumpslashes) and he should go down in 2 cycles.  I got a 1:20 fight with this strat.

After seeing ferrus savewarp back to wellspring station.

2nd boss - Fraaz: Strategy to come later

For getting the bomb bag, after fighting the red zora warrior at the end of spirit tower 3 a chest will apear with a palace dish in it.  Get that, then after getting the bridge worker to fix the bridge sell it to linebeck for 500R.  After that you'll need to save and luck manipulate beedle to be near the trading post to buy the bomb bag before getting to the ocean realm.

When going to the ocean temple use this trick to skip the train chase around the temple.

In the ocean temple use this trick to skip opening the trapdoors for the boulders.

For the whip miniboss throw the boomerang around the place the mniboss will be before entering the room to stun him immediately.  Use bombs to take him down quickly.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N66v7Zy9i1g

General whip speed tricks: when grabbing a switch, let go of L/R as soon as it touches the switch and it will activate skipping the pull back animation.  When swinging on a pole hold your stylus on the screen until a little before you will swing off.  This will get you off a bit faster and jump a bit farther.  When pulling thorns out of a thorn gate only pull the left thorn out then squeeze through the right one.

3rd boss - Phytops: First Cycle: 1 slash, 2 Spins, 1 bomb. (80)
Second Cycle: 1 Jump (+!5), 1 slash, (+10) 2 bombs. (+60) (85 on this cycle)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sJKJsqgzVs

Alternate Solution on Floor 15 of the Spirit Tower
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiEOnbNwRrQ

Glitches:
Fall from edge glitches
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIq20-ToxO0

Weird Graphical glitch in castle town
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfJcNHc1-uE

Zelda holding glitch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jAQShbNhj0

Heart Meter Glitch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNZj5sU_Rbo
« Last Edit: February 12, 2010, 05:59:32 am by ZFG » Logged

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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2009, 11:01:02 pm »

It seems like Roll Cancelling cannot be done on here:
The most notable example is trying to open a chest or a door during a roll.

The new roll input is ok if you were making a TAS run but annoying outside TAS, I've been tapping interactive objects when I was trying to perform another roll.

Kazooies Map to clip through grey rocks and small pots trick doesn't work on here, you can't get the map up while you are moving.

Running through the smog on the first temple is ok, it doesn't block Link's access unlike flames.

For the first boss I need to test:
* If keeping the bomb catapillars will be a good idea as damage source on the second phase
* Check if Bomb explosions deals 30 DP or not by comparing normal slices against bomb explosions).
* If the boss react to a certain number of hits no matter how powerful the attack was.
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***Got the 2nd map piece now, incase you viewers want to know how far I am into the game.
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2009, 04:18:11 am »

I am currently at the last boss fight.

Afterwards, i will be looking for quickest way to do bosses/puzzles/etc.

Maybe early items?
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2009, 06:53:45 am »

Yeah I noticed that too my map glitch with rocks doesn't work because you cannot open menus when you are walking. But there is way to open them when you are walking.

Right when you start walking you can push arrow button down or right to open menu and link will stop while you do that. You can use it to walk right to the rock like in PH but still it doesn't work in ST for some reason. Rocks are more harder on this game for some reason.

I got my game one day before release day Grin

EDIT: I run along with one thing in hyryle castle town. There is those flower beds in circle. When you try roll to them link will rise little bit on air. Maybe useless tought.
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2009, 12:02:08 am »

Related to players who has completed the second dungeon.
Highlight below to see text.


At Bridge Worker house, go to the top right of the map, you'll see 4 rocks in a diamond formation. You can roll inbetween the 2 to get into the middle without destroying them.

Then play Song of Discovery and you spawn a grey chest. Link will then be inside a grey rock, when trying to open the chest I Link should clip into the chest.

Again nothing useful but sounds cool at least.


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Related to players who has completed the third dungeon.
Highlight below to see text.

I've found a way to enter the whip room VERY quickly. Expect a video soon.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2009, 09:40:39 pm »

Very nice Greenalink Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2009, 11:01:03 pm »

I bought PRIMA's ST Guide today. I love collecting game guides.

Since the game is quite new, I'm looking up all these little hidden items and such. they could come in handy!

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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2009, 12:45:47 am »

Trapdoor skip on Marine Temple.
Saves at least 1 minute on segmented runs but 2 minutes on Single Segment if you do not count death warping.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbZXnXGlrOY
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2009, 02:15:04 am »

I know this is off topic but How did you record like that Greenlink?
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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2009, 11:15:22 am »

All I do is to film it sideways so I can get both screens recorded from the camcorder then I edit the raw video with Adobe Premiere Pro. It's possible to do the edits on Sony Vegas but I find Adobe Premiere Pro a bit easier for screen edits.
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2009, 06:25:11 am »

Jumpslash>Quickspin on bosses is rape
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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2009, 10:53:46 pm »

Just completed the game and woah, this is WAY more challenging that I first expected.
Sadly I cannot find any major exploits to this game yet the structure and a tracks system makes the game near bulletproof to sequence break unless someone finds an RBAesque glitch.

Is it ok for me to make a topic on the Phantom Hourglass engine tweaks made to Spirit Tracks?

My estimate to complete this is 5 hours & 30 minutes -> 6 hours range.

Edit:
US and Europe has differences.... don't worry it has no effect on speed running. Wink

Did you know that Cole's bodyguard has a different name when comparing the US & EU releases.
US: Byrne
EU: Staven
AUS: Byrne (although the official Website & manual mentions it's Staven).

I prefer Staven because it's easier to remember and to spell compared to Byrne.
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Phantom Hourglass
SM64 DS
New Super Mario Bros (DS).
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2009, 06:24:45 am »

Ya making a PH - ST engine differences thread would be useful.

I'll do a 2nd playthrough once Christmas break starts to look for stuff.
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2009, 03:39:32 pm »

Game also have more difference that that staven name.

First town is also called by different name, US: Aboda Village & EU:Outset village
Also Whittleton Village in EU is Mayescore. Why would Nintendo do it that way?

I found cool glitch yesterday from this game with my friend. Maybe it's useless but still fun to look. I'll make video later.

EDIT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIq20-ToxO0
Enjoy!
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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2009, 07:00:28 pm »

Pretty overlooked because you couldn't do this on Phantom Hourglass but you can use your items to cancel your Spin attack.

The spin attack sometimes go up depending on when you cancel it by using an item, it's pretty useful on enemies and subbosses. Proper boss battles are not really useful due to the nature of the cycles. I haven't killed the first boss in 2 cycles or less on both phases.

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Why would Nintendo do it that way?

It's probably because it was translated seperately rather than working together. It isn't the first time this has happened as the latest Advance Wars DS game (Days of Ruin/Dark Conflict) has a lot of name changes on the playable characters, minor differences to the game's story script and even some of the units!. The US version is notable for having "Grr .... you piece of crap" but the European version's rudest quote was "Who the hell are you"?
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Notable runs:
Phantom Hourglass
SM64 DS
New Super Mario Bros (DS).
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