DK% routing

[Fishaman P]

cb4n after BotW = cb4n after kak
That being said it makes more sense to me to do BotW -> Jabu -> ZL -> DoT skip and buy the shield while you're in the market/castle (tho no one ever said I was a master at routing xD)

That seems best now.  I can only justify doing ZL before Jabu if you're going for the main room hover.
We still have to consider the day-night cycle in the courtyard though.  My gut tells me ZL after BotW would make this cycle perfect, and that Jabu first would mess it up.

Castle Before Night after Kak... My memory is telling me that ZFG used to do this all the time (and fail it all the time, lol), but my brain is telling me there's no way there would be enough daytime left to get there.

[Jbop]

Castle Before Night after Kak... My memory is telling me that ZFG used to do this all the time (and fail it all the time, lol), but my brain is telling me there's no way there would be enough daytime left to get there.

Check out a No Wrong Warp run and you'll see what I mean

[Fishaman P]

Check out a No Wrong Warp run and you'll see what I mean

Of course I knew what you meant, I was just reflecting on my knowledge of it.
If you can do Castle Before Night with the aquascape, then Pokey Escape should be no problem.

In my next free time, I will test the time of day for ZL.

[Fishaman P]

All right.  I did a testrun up to the Shadow Temple boat, and it has given me some insights.

1) We have to do Jabu before ZL if we want to do the Lullaby CS Skip.  The only damage we can take without losing a great deal of time is from Golden Skulltulas, which deal damage in 1 heart increments.  Not good.  We would have to use 2 bombchus for the CS skip, but we can't spare that extra one.

2) If doing Jabu first, you have to wait ~60s in the field for the castle drawbridge to open up.  Undesirable, but I think doing ZL first would also have to wait before doing DoT skip.  We can partially use this time for getting down to 1/2 heart for the CS skip.

3) Yep, Mido Skip works with a simple backflip.  The angle is pretty precise, though, and I think Link has to be in one of two certain frames in his backwalk animation when he backflips.  Weird.

4) Text skip oddities in the SFM.  If you press A and B as the second textbox comes up, that box and the next are skipped.  If not, the text box isn't skippable at all.

5) That guard at the beginning of the maze.  I think it may be faster to be at 1 heart before the maze, and let him hit you into the water.  That way you won't have to wait too long for him to walk the other way, and you also don't have to worry about him killing you.

Someone post now so that I won't feel guilty for triple-posting for the final route.

[r0bd0g]

I doubt you would have to wait before dot skip. The ZL CS sets time of day. If you really can't get a 1/2 heart damage anywhere you can probably just jump off the chains or something. But normally a chu damage boost is used to get to ZL... does this mean you're planning to wake Talon?

Also the text in SFM you can backflip over it.

[Jbop]

There's nothing special about doing mido skip without hookshot; they're both just backflips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_ekNJ9Rm_0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLSDZ0VhmLU

[Fishaman P]

I doubt you would have to wait before dot skip. The ZL CS sets time of day. If you really can't get a 1/2 heart damage anywhere you can probably just jump off the chains or something. But normally a chu damage boost is used to get to ZL... does this mean you're planning to wake Talon?

Also the text in SFM you can backflip over it.

*facepalm*
I chu megaflipped in my testrun because my normal way of chu boosting didn't reach.  Now it's just down to the extra travel doing ZL first incurs, and whether it is slower than waiting for dawn.

Great to know about the SFM text.  Is is precise at all?  Is there a video of it?

There's nothing special about doing mido skip without hookshot; they're both just backflips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_ekNJ9Rm_0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLSDZ0VhmLU

First-person mode is equivalent to the 2 frames.  Huh.
Guess I reinvented the wheel.

[bluephantom340]

Smells like RingRush

[Fishaman P]

I was gonna make a route comparison from BotW to ToT (minus parts that are the same, like the Jabu segment), but I can't decide whether to include Hyrule Castle.  You have to take a slower route during the day (or yolo it), and when to start counting time for it...  It hurts my brain.

Help me out here.

[Fishaman P]

All right, I did the comparison.  I'll edit this post with a video later.

As tested, doing ZL first is 15 seconds faster than doing Jabu first.  However, in the Jabu First tests, going to Hyrule Castle was about 10 seconds slower using the "intended" route (because it was daytime).  If you yolo the Bridge Guard Skip during the day, the gap is shrunk to 5 seconds.  Also, instead of the short Cosmo Superswim, you can backwalk, saving 5 seconds for Jabu First.  That won't save time for ZL First because you have to wait for the morning to come anyway.

Additionally, in the ZL First route, you have to do the Boulder ESS Owl Skip in the Lost Woods, which is just dumb.  On top of that, when you Pokey Escape to head to the ToT, the gaurd guy is standing in a different pose, making the angle you stab at much more picky.  I had to C-Up the angle to get it consistently.

All in all, even if ZL is marginally faster (< 10 seconds), it introduces what I think is significant difficulty and room for error.  On the average run, Jabu First will be faster.

EDIT: Wow, this wasn't late at all.  Finally got the comparison video up.
EDIT2: And I should keep this leaderboards link for later.

[Fishaman P]

Just took the WR with 1:05:13 on USA N64, and I can still save 10 minutes!

Thanks for all the help guys!

[elo]

Fun thing to do, was like the only thing I could motivate myself for (i'm sick atm)

So, yeah, I finished a run, went pretty well except for Escape and Shadow block skip

http://www.twitch.tv/elorkeloff/c/3419745

[Dufuss]

What the heck.  People are running DK% now?  I'm honored...?

Sad thing is, I tweeted my run at Moltov and he never even responded.  I guess I'll never be his friend even though I went out of my way to learn this wack category in a game I didn't really play previously.  At least you guys had some fun with it.  I'll add your run to the leaderboards, elo.

I'm also happy to see Jbop (who gave me my first race win by forfeiting haha) and nathanisbored.  o.O

[Chain]

Here are some route which use the deku to shadow ww which I'm pretty sure are faster:

1.0/1.1 route (which is fastest) http://pastebin.com/fvPKqF4n
1.2 route http://pastebin.com/ZJYp0BY8

I think skipping lullaby, hookshot and most of shadow temple easily makes up for time lost doing the trade quest (especially since in the 1.0/1.1 route the trade quest is just egg -> eyeball frog)

#EDIT:

I just realised you don't have hover boots to using damage boost to enter deku is silly, it should be possible with angled backflip hovers though. Also there's no way of getting ground jump with chus in sacred meadows (I don't think) and I don't know if you can clear it without that and hookshot.

[Fishaman P]

I talked a bit with Chain about the Deku WW route, and I'm pretty sure it's faster for v1.0 and v1.1.  It could be faster for v1.2 and VC, though I'm more on the fence about that.

As for the SFM, just do it the same way as in current runs: go to the water's edge, jump, grab the ledge.