General Trick Discussion

[Pheenoh]

Sword and Shield Skip saves around 2:45 if done well. Skipping the Faron Twilight Bugs saves 2:50 initially, but loses 1:00 - 1:30 from having to do extra howls for ending blow that would be unnecessary in a route that completed the Twilight. Therefore S&S Skip + completing Faron Twilight will always be faster in a run where you have to return to Ordon later (No S+Q run).

[ING-X]

S&S skip saves 2:45? That does not sound right. Are you talking like, TAS-quality S&S skip? Also, are you factoring in the fact that S&S skip wastes 23 seconds going back to Ordon for sumo because of a different warp spot?

[Pheenoh]

S&S skip saves 2:45? That does not sound right. Are you talking like, TAS-quality S&S skip? Also, are you factoring in the fact that S&S skip wastes 23 seconds going back to Ordon for sumo because of a different warp spot?

It takes an extra 26 seconds to escape the forest the second time, call epona in Hyrule Field and ride to Lanayru gate over the other route, so having the Ordon Warp in this particular situation doesn't save any time. Sword and Shield Skip took me 1:10 from control in Ordon Spring to saying 'yes' to entering the twilight (this includes the midna text). I timed it against a perfect sword and shield quest (I got house jump and a first frame Midna jump to the Ordon Shield) which was 3:55. This skip was almost perfect, but even timed against a bad one it would still save something like 2:25 or 2:20. Even in that case, it's still at least 40 seconds slower to get the sword and shield.

EDIT: I'm silly, both routes would have to do the forest escape. I'll time the actual time lost from having to do the howling stone sequence + running over to the wolf.

[Pheenoh]

--No Sword and Shield Skip--
Faron Twilight: 3:55
Movement in Faron Twilight - Entering N. Faron: 2:39
Transform after purple mist - Entering N. Faron: 0:10
Enter Forest Temple: 0:31
Iza: 1:21
Ending Blow: 1:30

Net time: 10:06


--Sword and Shield Skip--
Faron Twilight: 1:10
Movement in Faron Twilight - Entering N. Faron: 4:04
Transform after purple mist - Entering N. Faron: 0:18
Enter Forest Temple: 2:53 (Ending Blow included)
Longer Backtrack to Bo: 0:23
Iza: 0:15

Net time: 9:03

Sword and Shield skip is 1:03 faster.

[Pheenoh]

Any% (No S+Q):
Bokoblins Dead: 5:55
Exit Ordon from Ranch: 0:15
Forest Temple First Room: 0:55
Forest Temple Ooccoo Room: 0:16
Boomerang - Hyrule field: 7:08
Enter Eldin Twilight: 00:53
Eldin Vessel: 2:10 [modified because i needed to change the starting time to wolf jumping in void]
Post Eldin Twilight - Lanayru Gate Clip: 5:16
Talk to Fyer: 00:28

--[Route Deviation after Lanayru Twilight]--
Say 'No' to Yeto: 4:35
Snowboarding: No change
Warp to Lake Hylia after Zora Armor: 13:45
Clawshot: 5:00
Say 'Yes' to Midna: 4:41
Midna's Desperate Hour: No change
Warp to Lake Hylia: 00:05
   --[End Route Deviation]--
       Net time: 28:06

Canon to Desert: 00:41
Stalfos Room: 00:52
Spinner Groove: 1:39
Clawshot Falling Pillar After Double Clawshots: 3:10
Water Zant Fight: 00:55
Hyrule Castle Savewarp: 00:34
Final Dinalfos: 00:30



Any% (No S+Q) w/ Zombie Hover:
Bokoblins Dead: 10:20 (+4:25)
Exit Ordon from Ranch: 0:15 (+4:25)
Forest Temple First Room: 0:37 (+4:07)
Forest Ooccoo Room: 0:38 (+4:29)
Boomerang - Hyrule Field: 2:08 (-0:31)
Enter Eldin Twilight: 00:53 (-0:31)
Eldin Vessel: 4:18 (+1:37)
Post Eldin Twilight - Lanayru Gate Clip: 5:42 (+2:03) [2nd forest escape]
Talk to Fyer: 00:28 (+2:03)


--[Route Deviation after Lanayru Twilight]--
Say 'No' to Yeto: 4:35
Snowboarding: No change
Warp to Kakariko after B&C: 6:39
Warp to ZD after SPR bomb chest: 3:45
Entering Morpheel Fight: 10:10
Say 'Yes' to Midna: 3:23
Midna's Desperate Hour: No change
Warp to Lake Hylia: 00:05
   --[End Route Deviation]--
       Net time: 28:37 (+2:27)

Canon to Desert: 00:44 (+2:30)
Stalfos Room: 00:46 (+2:24)
Spinner Groove: 1:39 (+2:24)
Clawshot Falling Pillar After Double Clawshots: 3:10 (+2:24)
Water Zant Fight: 1:08 (+2:37)
Hyrule Castle Savewarp: 00:34 (+2:37)
Final Dinalfos: 00:17 (+2:24)

Time lost: 2:24. The "new" route is much slower.

[ING-X]

Figured.

[Pheenoh]

http://www.twitch.tv/last_grey_wolf/c/1917278

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vY6Z5UUz-XU

Someone please find this.

[Hornlitz]

Wait, are you trying to find a way to clawshot things through the wall? Because if so, I just did it, and I didn't fall to my death like the guy on twitch did...

EDIT: Okay I'm probably stupid and didn't realize that you guys were trying to find a way to skip the door. Is skipping the cutscene a possible way to skip the door?

[Pheenoh]

Wait, are you trying to find a way to clawshot things through the wall? Because if so, I just did it, and I didn't fall to my death like the guy on twitch did...

EDIT: Okay I'm probably stupid and didn't realize that you guys were trying to find a way to skip the door. Is skipping the cutscene a possible way to skip the door?

The cutscene trigger covers the entire room, extends out of bounds and triggers in mid air. Regardless, if you can figure out a way to skip it, that would work.

[ING-X]

The cutscene trigger covers the entire room, extends out of bounds and triggers in mid air. Regardless, if you can figure out a way to skip it, that would work.

I'm not sure about this, but I remember when I did the White Midna glitch and went into the desert a ton of the cutscene triggers (including the Poe one IIRC) were way smaller. I think someone said the desert ones were because it was night time, but I swear the Poe one was smaller too. Just putting that out there if anyone wants to mess with it. Probably not useful but meh.

[Razor7581]

http://www.twitch.tv/last_grey_wolf/c/1917278

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vY6Z5UUz-XU

Someone please find this.

Could someone please explain how this clip is done and where by the door this is?

[Hornlitz]

Could someone please explain how this clip is done and where by the door this is?

It's in the room with the 4 lanterns and the big metal gate. On the staircase up to the gate, there are 2 pillars, one on each side of you. You can roll into the corner between the walls by the gate and the pillar, (Do the one on the right to get the clip through) and then through to a tight spot by the railing. From here, put a bomb down, and then when the bomb is near exploding, aim your clawshot at the tile and release it. If you timed it right, The bomb should knock you out of the clawshot animation and you'll fall to your death. Don't aim your clawshot right away, because it will start pushing you out of the corner if you aim right away.

[Pheenoh]

Zombie Hover is 55 seconds faster than BiTE for any%. I'll post the timings here if anyone cares to see.

EDIT:

Old Any%:
Control - Bokoblins Dead: 3:55 (+0:00)
Ranch Exit - Ordon Exit: 00:54 (+0:00)
Movement in Faron Twilight - Entering N. Faron: 4:04 (+1:25)
Transform after purple mist - Entering N. Faron: 0:18 (+1:33)
Enter Forest Temple: 2:53 (Ending Blow included) (+3:55)
Boomerang - Hyrule Field: 1:36 (+3:55)
Enter Eldin Twilight: 00:53 (+3:55)
Eldin Vessel: 3:36 (+3:31)
Post Eldin Twilight - Lanayru Gate Clip: 1:47 (+3:31)
Talk to Fyer: 4:14 (+3:31)

--[Route Deviation after Lanayru Twilight]--
Savewarp after Clawshot: 8:13
'Yes' to Midna after Morpheel: 5:01
Midna's Desperate Hour: No change
'No' to Yeto: 4:03
Snowboarding: No change
Warp to Lake Hylia (from SPR start): 3:59
   --[End Route Deviation]--
       Net time: 21:16 (+0:55)

Canon to Desert: 00:44 (+0:55)
Stalfos Room: 00:46 (+0:55)
Spinner Groove: 1:08 (+0:55)
Clawshot Falling Pillar After Double Clawshots: 00:22 (+0:55)
Water Zant Fight: 1:08 (+0:55)
Hyrule Castle Savewarp: 00:30 (+0:55)
Final Dinalfos: 00:17 (+0:55)
















New any%
Control - Bokoblins Dead: 3:55
Ranch Exit - Ordon Exit: 00:54
Movement in Faron Twilight - Entering N. Faron: 2:39
Transform after purple mist - Entering N. Faron: 0:10
Enter Forest Temple: 0:31
Boomerang - Hyrule Field: 1:36
Enter Eldin Twilight: 00:53
Eldin Vessel: 4:00
Post Eldin Twilight - Lanayru Gate Clip: 1:47
Talk to Fyer: 4:14

--[Route Deviation after Lanayru Twilight]--
Savewarp after Clawshot: 9:19
'Yes' to Midna after Morpheel: 5:01
Midna's Desperate Hour: No change
'No' to Yeto: 5:33 (Ending Blow included)
Snowboarding: No change
Warp to Lake Hylia (from SPR start): 3:59
   --[End Route Deviation]--
       Net time: 23:52

Canon to Desert: 00:44
Stalfos Room: 00:46
Spinner Groove: 1:08
Clawshot Falling Pillar After Double Clawshots: 00:22
Water Zant Fight: 1:08
Hyrule Castle Savewarp: 00:30
Final Dinalfos: 00:17

[Multisnivy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96Gb4Vgcuvk made this a while ago. found this on my channel today XD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl0W0j1yQs8 this too

[logitechsdaz]

faster 3 bomb king bulblin fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5N8rPIqAUA

easier (but slower) 3 bomb king bulblin fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsPWMUA7NTI

small CitS timesaver for single segment runs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsowLI7rBGs

PoT lja (unfortunately might not save time)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dBCAFPP8co

PoT lja to skip death warp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U_LzkzgjY0