MST Route Discussion

[Pedalpowertoast]

Im a bit confused by the route...is it the final one yet?

[gamestabled]

Im a bit confused by the route...is it the final one yet?

No Zelda route is ever final. 

[TaylorTotFTW]

No Zelda route is ever final. 

This. It can always be assumed there are things we have not discovered. MST on console is a perfect example of this. At one point, sub 3 hours was thought to be impossible.

[Pedalpowertoast]

Should we skip FW? Its only useful in forest & few others. RI warping from Water skips the sheik cutscene which is the trigger for water raising = fire arrows only with scarecrow. Setting up for RI warp then fucking it wastes even more time.

[r0bd0g]

Optimally you'd get FW but if you're not going to RI then... I'm not sure where it saves time. It takes like 20 seconds to cast the thing, so without RI it has to save a good amount of backtracking to be worth it. You need way to skip Fire Arrows in the shadow trial (maybe hoverslide over and cast dins next to the torch, or something) in order to consider CS skipping the water medallion.

[Pedalpowertoast]

Came up with a pretty consistent silver block skip. Do you guys want a video. (its yours my friend as long as i get 20 likes....JK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvpMxD09z8k
Semi reliable....maybe.

[Pedalpowertoast]

New WR 3:31:43 easy sub 3:30 can be done.

[TheWayfaringFox]

Whoa, so did you have fewer mistakes or something?

[Pedalpowertoast]

That and did some timesavers such as the spirit BK skip, there were some bad mistakes which make me wonder how i was still able to get an okay time.

[benstephens1000]

Spirit BK skip? Do you perhaps mean the torch slug trick?

[Pedalpowertoast]

Bens back and no
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LB5Ia38xCw
More videos, hope youre happy (bit late, but who cares)

[benstephens1000]

Yes I am back... sort of... However it will take a long time to get back in the loop. I'm going to practice all of this new shit in the plane ride home. I hope to get another run in soon.

well I've perfected spirit bk skip... Are there any other new tricks for MST that I missed?

[CloudMax]

I did not like the way the shadow gate clip was done, so I gave it a try myself, what that do you know, I found an extremely easy way to successfully perform this trick 100% of the time. I've never failed at it so far.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fp7-_4_5C0
I hope that'll make it easier for everyone.

[benstephens1000]

I did not like the way the shadow gate clip was done, so I gave it a try myself, what that do you know, I found an extremely easy way to successfully perform this trick 100% of the time. I've never failed at it so far.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fp7-_4_5C0
I hope that'll make it easier for everyone.

Very nice job CloudMax

Wait... wouldn't forest escaping be faster with deku stick TSC? I mean someone did say that it was possible. If we do that we could potentially skip a blue rupee in the forest and we wouldn't have to read the deku nut text after first getting one. I mean it wouldn't be much faster, but wouldn't it be a little bit faster?

So are we skipping another key in the forest temple now? I'm assuming the stalfos key?

Guys one more thing... I think it's time to get serious... yes, I mean I think it's time we start messing with WW using RI as adult Link. I don't think we should make the warps necessary to our route, so failing won't screw us over to bad, however I thick it's time we find some time savers with it.

[Pedalpowertoast]

The bow room stalfos dont spawn if you dont kill the ones below, were skipping the entrance key.
As for RI warping, you cant warp to cutscenes with that, only skip them. The only reason Fire works is because of that cutscene where the volcano returns to normal. (i think)