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Title: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on September 19, 2009, 07:03:04 PM
Probably the least popular of all the GB games, but still great games regardless.

As of right now, the only speed run between the two games is a segmented any% (http://speeddemosarchive.com/ZeldaOracleOfSeasons.html) by Tompa.  The run is almost four years old, so we need something new.

The games are relatively unbreakable, the majority of the glitches are TAS-only.  The seasons route should suffice for now, and Tompa is currently doing the route planning for an Ages run.  I'm planning to run Ages, so hopefully this will generate a bit more interest for the games, as well as the rest of the GB Zelda games.

BTW, TAS WIPs of both games are available on the TASvideos forum.

Runs in progress:
Ages - any% (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=96B89A0706173E51)


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: NintendoG8mer on September 20, 2009, 11:40:20 AM
I really like this games. They aren't as good as OoT or MM, but they are quite good.

Btw peteyboo started an OoA run. He hasn't uploaded any segment for 4 month and I don't know if he is still doing the run, but it looks not bad.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on September 20, 2009, 02:21:44 PM
Just watched the segments, they look quite well done.  He missed a couple small tricks, but he lost maybe a second combined, probably much less.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on September 24, 2009, 11:29:04 PM
Just got the OoA cartridge.  I've already seen a couple of savewarp points, so I'm gonna go ahead and start the run without Tompa's route.  Though, to be honest, I have a volleyball tournament tomorrow and half of Saturday, so I imagine I'll start the run on Saturday afternoon.  Hopefully I'll have a finished route by then, but if I don't, it's no biggie.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Tompa on September 27, 2009, 07:17:19 AM
Just read this and was reminded to fix up the route and stuff, I'll start working on it right away  :P.
My old and sucky Testrun (http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1755762623/OoATestrun.vbm) shows most of how the route will look like. I still need to plan out other things like the use of seeds, mainly pegasus and ember seeds, and the use bombs.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on September 27, 2009, 12:54:30 PM
Thanks for this again.

I need to watch that test run, but I saw the Swordless' TAS, and with my continued effort at 3 hearting this sucker,  I can tell this'll be hard.

Savewarping is so damn helpful in this game, most of the dungeons are probably going to be 4 - 5 segments long.  Savewarping is so damn broken in this game, you can even change back and forth through time if you play right (after getting the sea chart, for instance).


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on September 28, 2009, 09:31:28 PM
Segment 1 is done, I'll put the video up shortly.

Which do you guys think is the better option: getting 60 rupees from chests/ along the way through the run, or digging up a 100 rupee piece on my way to Maku Road (this could take hours due to rarity, but will likely save 30 seconds)?

I'd be getting the rupee on the first dig, no exceptions, because I can literally dig 10-15 seconds into the segment, and I can put in a save at the beginning of Maku Road.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Tompa on September 29, 2009, 05:32:16 AM
Don't take any rupee chests at least. You should easily be able to get the 80 rupees you need from enemy drops. But if you managed to dig up a 100 rupee on your first try, sure.

I haven't worked much on the route yet, have so many other projects I want to do. But here's what I've done so far.

Segment 1
Talk to the bear last so you don't need to speak to it twice.
If you press start or select when the music is about to stop, the music will continue. Useless, but hey :).
Half the segment is cutscenes, so just spam A+B.
Save after the Shovel has been obtained.

Segment 2
Go to the Maku Road.
Push button, fall down the hole. Open the chest, fall down the hole.
After the Maku Tree has been saved, go to the right to get to the graveyard, ignore the 30 rupee chest.
Save at Spirit's Grave.

Segment 3
Grab the Power Ring L-1.
In the room with the moving platform before the miniboss, push the block instead of wait.
Grab the Power Bracelet and S&Q.

Segment 4
Go left to get the Big Key.
Do a one round kill against the boss.
Save after the dungeon is finished.

Segment 5
Head to Vasu to appraise the Power Ring L-1 and put it on you. Equip it during an item switch.
Go to the forest and play with the fairies
Navigate like this:
Right, down. First fairy.
Up, down, up, down, up. Second fairy.
Up. Third fairy.
Lift the rock to the dungeon and S&Q.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on September 29, 2009, 10:45:32 PM
Haven't tried segment 2 (just got GCN Twilight Princess), but I'll think about it.

Also, would a save after the boss key in Spirit's Grave save any time?


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Tompa on September 30, 2009, 05:32:14 PM
Read again.... It's before the Boss Key, not after it.
Overall, I'm not good at using S&Qs to save time, as I hardly ever do that when I play the game normally. So I'm pretty sure that someone else could make that part better.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on September 30, 2009, 08:59:57 PM
Read again.... It's before the Boss Key, not after it.

I meant using both...   I'll time it when I get there.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on October 03, 2009, 07:32:52 PM
Oh damn.

I got the 100 rupee piece, no joke. :)

Segment 2 is now done, I think I should be able to get 3 done today as well.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Tompa on October 04, 2009, 01:40:29 PM
Me wants videos :D.
And get your ass on IRC =P.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on October 04, 2009, 04:07:36 PM
First 3 segments are up on youtube, 4th will be up shortly.

BTW, should I try and 3 heart this game, or take some HCs along the way?  The L-1 Power Ring makes it so I die in 4 hits at 3 hearts, and I'm currently sitting at a half heart remaining near the end of the first dungeon.

Run Playlist (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=96B89A0706173E51)

EDIT: On second thought, segment 4 looks very messy to me (despite beating petey's old segment by about a second), so I'll redo that.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on October 06, 2009, 02:52:06 AM
After around 2 and a half hours of practice, I haven't hit an SC.  I've discovered an alternate method, but the new method costs a couple of seconds over a true SC.

Instead of throwing the head away and then killing the spirit before it gets back into the head (which I can't do), I hit it once, quickly pick up and throw the head again, and deal the remaining three hits when it tries to get into the head again.

Do you guys see this as an acceptable alternative, or should I keep trying for the "true" SC?

Also, Heart Container or no?  I need this one answered ASAP.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Tompa on October 06, 2009, 05:55:56 AM
For the boss fight: Try to use the tactic the TAS and my testrun used, it really isn't that hard to pull it off.

You could take some Heart Containers I guess. The one in Wing Dungeon is the fastest one to take. I doubt that you'll need all of them.

And don't really expect anyone else except me to help you out with the run, as I don't think that most people have enough interest of experience with the game.

I haven't got much time to work on the route and such now, lots of stuff to do including homework, but I'll try to get it done eventually.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on October 10, 2009, 03:39:07 PM
Phew, finally got it.  Took the HC to recover health.

I'll have it up soon, along with a reupload of all my other segments to fix the minor cropping issue (ie the top being cut off)


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Tompa on October 12, 2009, 08:57:54 AM
I tried to do some sequence breaks with the warp glitch, but there are a few pixels away from being possible. That would be if you manage to pitwalk for about 4 frames while the rest before it is frame perfect as well, but I doubt it :P.

Anyway, I've started a testrun and played up to Moonlit Grotto. Can be seen here (http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1798054730/OoATestrunV2.vbm). I'm going to write down stuff as well, but now you'll have something to work with.
There should have been a save before the Wing Dungeon, but I just forgot.
And I'm unsure if the puzzle at the end of Wing Dungeon is optimal, I just did what I usually do there. So feel free to try different strategies.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on October 12, 2009, 02:25:46 PM
Can't watch the Testrun atm because microstorage is down...

I was trying to bomb boost over holes, but the only times I got completely over were on deaths...  I'm pretty sure it's impossible or ridiculously hard/frame-perfect.

Oh, added the playlist link to the first post.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Blizzerk on October 12, 2009, 02:46:23 PM
I'm loving the run so far, keep up the good work!


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on October 12, 2009, 05:36:54 PM
Finally, a decent segment 9.
Will upload ASAP.

Thanks Tompa and Blizz. 8)

Oh, btw, time after segment 9 is 22:22.337...


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Tompa on October 12, 2009, 07:31:12 PM
Looked good. Enjoy the Wing Dungeon, the reason why I quit my run awhile ago.

I'm going to continue on my testrun as well.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on October 12, 2009, 07:38:20 PM
Looked good. Enjoy the Wing Dungeon, the reason why I quit my run awhile ago.

I'm going to continue on my testrun as well.
It's the fourth that's gonna suck.  This should be nothing. :)


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on October 14, 2009, 02:59:31 AM
I spent an hour and a half failing to get a sub-minute segment...  God I hate using the shovel.

Also, I've looked at the boss fights, and I've made a shortlist of the best and worst HCs to get.

In order, from best to worst:
Head Thwomp (Wing Dungeon/2)
TIED: Pumpkin Head (Spirit's Grave/1) and Eyesoar (Skull Dungeon/4)
Smog (Crown Dungeon/5)
Shadow Hag (Moonlit Grotto/3)
Plasmarine (Jabu Jabu's Belly/7)
Ramrock (Ancient Ruins/8)
Octogon (Mermaid's Cave/6)

The one in Wing Dungeon is extremely close to the ladder down, therefore a must take (as we are using HCs due to the overwhelming number of damage source, as well as your frail health due to the L-1 Power Ring).  Spirit's Grave and Skull Dungeon's HCs have the door located at the top of the screen, which is a shorter distance than the side.  Smog's door to the essence is located on the upper wall, but there is a block in the way.

The remainder of the bosses all have their doors located to either the right or the left.  Shadow Hag wins out because you are walking as opposed to swimming (swimming's slow acceleration makes it slower than walking over such a short distance, as I am an awful button masher).  Plasmarine's is also a straight shot, but uses swimming.  Ramrock's is located to the left and down from the HC spawn location, making the distance slightly more than the other two.  Octogon takes last because you should win the fight underwater, skipping the death scene and therefore (hopefully) putting you close to the door upon his death.  If said fight finishes on the left side of the screen, the HC becomes a very good choice.

I sound like a fucking TASer, I dont think the difference between the fastest and the shortest is any more than a couple seconds.

EDIT: I just bought Seasons and LA off Ebay, so if you guys are open to it, I wouldn't mind tackling both Ages and one of the others, and both desperately need new runs.

Tompa: I will make you a guarantee: if I beat your Seasons run, you don't have to worry about paying me that $20 bounty you posted on SDA. :)



Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Tompa on October 14, 2009, 06:39:52 AM
Don't forget that you can use the Pegasus seeds for the later HCs :P. Not that is that worthy to use one there though. I don't think you should take more than two HCs, it should be plenty enough.

Would be awesome if you did any of those two as well. Makikng a sub 2 hours OoS run is simple, I'm just putting up the bounty so that I could easier get rid of the run from SDA.

Good luck with WD.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on October 17, 2009, 02:59:15 PM
I'm in a bit of a predicament here.  I got a segment 10 with a time of 50 seconds, due to only OK luck manipulation with the last room.  The spikes could have gone maybe a quarter second faster, I'm not stressed over that.

The major problem is I'm down to half a heart health.  Do I let you guys see it and manipulate some health in the next segment (which should be a great deal easier than this one), or try again until I emerge with a bit more health?

Any and all input would be appreciated.  Just pointing out that a hit from anything will kill me right now.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Tompa on October 18, 2009, 09:39:41 AM
It should be that hard to get hearts in the next segment, as there are several of ropes and keese to kill and it is easy to not take damage. And it's a very short segment as well.
However, if you think it looked bad that you took that much damage in the previous segment, and that you think you can improve it further, why not try it? If you aren't able to do it, then just keep on going.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on October 18, 2009, 11:59:24 PM
Improved 'er by a second. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IynWsk7KKWM&feature=PlayList&p=96B89A0706173E51&index=9)


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on October 20, 2009, 02:12:50 AM
Improved 'er by a second. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IynWsk7KKWM&feature=PlayList&p=96B89A0706173E51&index=9)

EDIT: Seg 11 is done and on youtube.  I'm too lazy to post the link, so find it yourself.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Tompa on October 20, 2009, 02:47:32 PM
I'm usually finding them on Youtube first anyway, and if I have something worthy to say I'll write it here or else just make a stupid comment like I did this time :P.
Only minor things would be to pick up the bomb earlier and to not delay at the moving block.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on October 20, 2009, 10:18:01 PM
Found a new savewarp: After you get the Roc's Feather, you get two keys before you get to the area with the boss key (hopefully you know what I mean Tompa).  A S&Q after the second key saves a couple of seconds, and also allows for better optimization for the second half.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Tompa on October 21, 2009, 08:16:34 AM
I was thinking about doing a save warp there, but in my mind I couldn't get how it would be faster. I'm going to check with the emulator.

Edit: Ok, it was actually going to save time apparently. Then go for it :P.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on October 23, 2009, 09:49:48 PM
Should I try to do the mini boss in only 3 drops, like the TAS?


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Tompa on October 24, 2009, 08:45:16 AM
Of course you shall at least try it :P. I don't remember how hard that was to accomplish or what we did to make it to work either. But if you think you can do it, go for it.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on October 27, 2009, 02:23:36 AM
The timing for that three cycle is so hard, it's not worth it.  There's enough luck manipulation in that segment as it is.

I don't think the game has frustrated me more with any other segment, and I'm going to be taking a break to do a LA screenwarping run.  I finished my route today (because it's extremely complicated, right?), and might start attempts tomorrow, I'll keep people posted if they want.

I'm hoping to resume progress on this run sometime next week.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Maxx on October 27, 2009, 02:59:59 AM
I'm going to be taking a break to do a LA screenwarping run.

Awesome.  I'd love to see this. :)


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on October 27, 2009, 09:20:54 PM
Yay, I just got seasons. :)

I'll start running that sucker after LA. :)


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on November 12, 2009, 08:36:47 PM
My schedule is finally starting to open up.  I've found a consistent way to get a 3 cycle on the miniboss, so I'm going to get more attempts tonight and see if I can't get this sucker started again.

I'm also starting the Seasons run.  I know what I'm doing for segment 1, so I think I'll attempt that a bit tonight as well.

Either way, a new segment of either should go up on my channel tonight.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on November 19, 2009, 03:07:57 AM
Ouch, triple post. x_X

First post updated for my new seasons run that I started, and I'll get segment 2 up either tonight or tomorrow afternoon.

Oh, and I'm redoing Ages seg 12, which is why I took it off my Youtube channel.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Tompa on November 19, 2009, 08:54:31 PM
It's awesome that you are dedicated to do these runs! Lovely.
Good luck with Seasons as well as Ages.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: SD2 on December 06, 2009, 02:48:14 PM
Just got a PS3, and unfortunately it's on the same TV as my 'cube.  Runs will be on hold until after Christmas, sorry. :(


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: peteyboo on December 27, 2009, 02:02:43 PM
<_< Hi guys. The reason I'm not working on my OoA run is because I'm working a lot on night shift now, so I sleep all day and have no time to play. Your run has encouraged me to at least try when I have days off (especially now that my girlfriend will be in China for a few weeks <_<;). I will definitely keep some of my secrets from you, just in case you don't know them.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: RingRush on December 27, 2009, 07:24:47 PM
^ Oh sure, work on your OoA run :(


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: peteyboo on December 28, 2009, 01:21:08 AM
I did start that run before the BK run. <_<


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Tompa on December 28, 2009, 09:12:55 AM
Keep secrets? Tricks and such in the run that only you know of? Sounds interesting.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: peteyboo on December 30, 2009, 01:31:09 AM
I don't actually know if you (or anyone else) don't know what I'm talking about. >_>

Oh BTW, up to getting the Power Bracelet, my Japanese run is (by our own respective timing), three minutes faster than yours. Is there going to be a reliable way of telling which is faster in terms of the gameplay (the text is the main reason for the difference of course), should both of us actually finish?


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Tompa on January 03, 2010, 06:35:24 PM
The Japanese version have a lot less text, so it really should be a "seperate category" as it isn't that easy to compare the two. But I did go through the French version of A Link to the Past to know how much faster Wak's 100% run would have been if it was made with an US copy of the game, so I guess I could do the same here, but it will be much harder.

There are some other differences between the versions however. For example:
                   JP                                     US
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g124/Tomtelala/OoAJapaneseVersion.png) (http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g124/Tomtelala/OoAUSVersion.png)
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g124/Tomtelala/OoAWarpPointJP.png) (http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g124/Tomtelala/OoAWarpPointUS.png)

The first one only matters for a single segment run and the second is only to show another example... There are most likely more of them but I haven't cared to check.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Chimpas on June 04, 2010, 11:21:27 PM
I did a drawing about five years ago, and here it is, I mean, It's not that good, but that's all I can do


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Pokey on June 21, 2010, 02:47:17 PM
OoS noob here, I am trying to skip the Dungeon item in lvl 4... probably not gonna happen since I don't know where the big key or what you need for the boss >_>. I just know that I've glitched to the boss door without the dungeon item... Somebody who knows this game please come here and make me look like an idiot ;'(


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Tompa on June 21, 2010, 08:04:16 PM
I see no way that you can skip the Slingshot, it's needed in several places. In a TAS you can skip the upgraded version though.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Pokey on June 21, 2010, 10:20:27 PM
I'm determined to find a glitch in these games  ::)

Except I keep accidentally doing glitches like autumn early which I thought was legit :/


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: OpSceleriVerbrechen on September 16, 2013, 12:56:50 AM
Is there a place where I can find the speed tricks and glitches for this game.

Also is there a route for 100% OoA and OoS?


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Tompa on September 16, 2013, 10:35:08 AM
There aren't any documentations for the tricks and glitches, best shot is to watch the record runs: http://zeldaspeedruns.com/leaderboards.

100% would take forever to do and will mostly be luck with rings. And to get all rings you have to play the games 5 times total. Start OoS/OoA -> Linked to OoA/OoS -> Linked to OoS/OoA + Start OoA/OoS -> Linked to OoS/OoA. No one has done such run and there are no routes for them.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: OpSceleriVerbrechen on September 17, 2013, 01:32:56 PM
Darn I was really wanting to do a 100% run. I want to do a run no one has done yet so if there is one I would like to hear about it. I'm not new to speedrunning but I have never been successful at it. It looks like most of the tricks in the runs I have watched are just advanced jumps. Or would it be insulting to say that?


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Drenn on March 05, 2014, 11:06:54 PM
For a 100% run, perhaps you could use the secret generator to get all of the rings at the beginning of the game. Then it should be reduced to just a single playthrough of either linked game.

It does feel almost like using a built-in cheat code, but it seems more realistic. I don't think anyone wants to deal with that much RNG. It seems like a gray area though, I don't know if it would be considered acceptable.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Drenn on March 22, 2014, 09:00:47 PM
So, Oracle of Ages has been broken. We found a way to warp to the final boss basically on accident. Sub 2 hours is easily possible.

demonstration (http://www.twitch.tv/scorpianman42/c/3932879)


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: mzxrules on March 23, 2014, 05:18:44 AM
Damn. How much testing has been done with this trick?


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Drenn on March 23, 2014, 06:11:59 AM
Well, scorpianman claims to have a 100% consistent way of doing the veran warp. It's very good, but for me, it does fail on occasion.

With certain setups, you can also get the red ring with the glitch, which allows you to kill veran in one cycle. I can't imagine any applications of this glitch that would speed things up any more, but a few other neat tricks have been found, such as a way to quickly scroll across the map.

Here's how scorpianman does it (http://www.twitch.tv/scorpianman42/c/3932879)

Here's how I do it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyrgBa-Brd8)


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Hornlitz on March 23, 2014, 07:48:54 PM
Do you need a specific amount of bombs/rupees/seeds, etc. for this trick to work? Or can you not have beaten dungeons 7 and 8? Cause I've been trying this out with an almost completed file (all but the black tower finished), and it doesn't give me the same effects no matter what setup I use. It always either softlocks or crashes when I do it.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Drenn on March 23, 2014, 08:07:50 PM
I don't think the seed amounts matter... but yes, various innocent-seeming variables can affect the glitch. For instance:

- you must visit part of the secret passage in ambi's palace, or nothing will happen
- if you've visited the top-left of symmetry city in the present, your glitched ring box won't be as useful
- you must equip the ember or pegasus seeds with the seed shooter, or else the veran warp doesn't work

I'm sure that other factors can influence the glitch... but I've gotten it to work on a 100% completed file. It did seem to act a bit differently though.

Also, this is US only. This is that kind of glitch that a version difference will change completely.


Come to think of it - you probably need at least one or two bombs.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Greenalink on March 23, 2014, 11:20:53 PM
Quote
Also, this is US only. This is that kind of glitch that a version difference will change completely.

Noooo. It makes me wonder when I try selecting that certain tile on the map screen, nothing much happens unless I spam it to eventually get a glitched screen. Now I'm curious about the memory watcher data showing why it only works on US version.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Drenn on March 24, 2014, 01:31:39 AM
You mean with other versions? I mean, the glitch still exists, it just executes different code. The US version happens to do things in a way which can be manipulated (primarily by sprite positions on-screen).


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Pedalpowertoast on March 24, 2014, 07:38:28 AM
Huge props to you guys...this is amazing :o

But like Glink, I only have the E version -_-


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: Drenn on March 25, 2014, 02:56:42 AM
Lol, the european version is trying to do something with the ring box. If you have a ring equipped you can see the blue "E" for "equipped" if you look closely. I don't see any way to exploit this.

The japanese version is even more tame, it doesn't seem to put a single byte out of line.


Title: Re: Oracle of Ages/Seasons [GBC] - All Categories
Post by: GAP on April 17, 2015, 06:46:43 AM
Can anyone tell me how to deal with Goron Dance frustration? For some people it is simple but guys like me , it is not.