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Single Segment WIP by Jiano -> Here (http://zeldaspeedruns.com/junk/mm100ss.txt) <-

We need to get this done, best category in MM :D

what's the initial goal? sub 7 hours?

hell yes

i will start testing shit

Obviously the route is going to need a lot of work even when I finish it. The clock is a huge pain in the ass to base a route on.

Finished the skeleton of the route. Now I just gotta move shit around and figure out what heart piece I'm missing.

Edit: Found the Heart Piece that I forgot.

Super fixed up Version 2 (http://zeldaspeedruns.com/junk/mm100ss%20ver%202.txt).

I think this one is ready for testin.

What does figure out the Bombers code mean? Start a file, catch the kids, find out the code, and restart?

Well the thing about the bombers code is that it's decided as soon as you press OK or w/e when inputting the file name. So the strategy is to make a new file, immediately copy it, play through one and find out the code, reset and copy over the file you played to get the code.

Unless in the event that SDA is gonna shit about it and need us to get the bombers code for SS, this is the way we do it :D

Also, I'm so dumb, I forgot about the entire Owl save system. I could have played through the old route by now >_>
But my net was down yesterday, i forgot to save the new one. So I'll get to work on testing that one out today or something

I may be running the seg'd one so hell, I want in on suggesting and doing ;)

Jiano bro you should post the stray fairy routes if it's not too much trouble <3

Well, use the route I used in my woodfall 100% IL for Woodfall. Use the STT route petrie used in his STT TAS. I'll see what I can do about Snowhead and GBT.

G&S has his snowhead 100% IL, but I don't know how optimized the fairy route is

So there seems to be a problem with t he part where you get kafei's mask

the thing is, you're supposed to be back in clock town by 8 pm to get into the mayor's residence, but that doesn't seem to be possible

I did the backwalk superslides, wrong warp, and deku palace all absolutely perfect (using save states) and I still ended up at clock town at 10 pm

Am i supposed to ISoT?

Hate to be the one to ask an obvious question, but are you looking at the right route? (http://zeldaspeedruns.com/junk/mm100ss%20ver%202.txt)

Well, it cuts it pretty close. In my test run I got to Woodfall Temple at 6 PM, and to the Mayor's Residence at 7:30 PM. This really only gives you about ~20 seconds of room for error. Best thing I can say is if it's after 6 PM when you get to Woodfall Temple, play ISoT, until you get Kafeis mask, then turn it off.

Why do you need bombers code before you begin?

They tell you the code when you get the notebook, which is before you go to the observatory anyway.

Edit: Ran up to the end of the second cycle today. My thoughts:
-The timing for the Kafei's mask is too strict for an SS. I did ISoT right when it turned night, which was right after I entered Woodfall (the area not the temple). I don't think I could've gotten to the owl, got the bow without it, and made it the mayor's residence in less than 2 minutes (Especially because I ran out of chus).
-Duping nuts on Cycle 2 night 2 is a bad idea. I lost my bottle by getting a deku nut in Sakon's hideout (the babas you have to kill always drop them). Instead, I suggest bottling the fish as you normally would and guarenteeing a nuts dupe with Big Poe. Then you go back and sell Big Poe for 200 extra rupees. This was what I had to do in my run today, and I played ISoT... but that also allowed me deposit the 100R in the stock pot inn after getting couples mask. I think 2 extra ISoTs are worth 280 more rupees.

Everything else went great. I think I had another timesaver in mind but I can't remember atm.

You need the code to get the Notebook.


Yeah it is very strict. Playing ISoT when you fall behind in time is going to be an important part of doing this SS.



You can actually guarantee those deku babas to drop deku sticks. Just dodge their attack, then hit them. They'll go straight up and this way they will drop a stick. Either do that or just be careful.

Well beings that Jiano did his 100% playthrough and recorded it:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/4212177 (click on the highlight point for the 100% start)
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/4214732
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/4225204
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/4227631

Anyways, I'm gonna have to check these vids out a lot when doing my first test playthrough. After familiarity comes speedy mcspeedson speeding through shit. :D

lol I must've did Ikana pretty badly.

Before it I was right on schedule, but after I completed STT, it was 10pm, with ISoT. I did as much as I could of GBT then I had to do the reset day glitch because there was no way I could rape GBT and get the other stuff after. Maybe I should watch that run.
I'll finish the last cycle tomorrow.

Edit: Done. Cycle 4 was a nice change of pace from the monstrous cycle 3. And I'm still good at clock town archery on vc =]

Dudes

In cycle 4, you don't need to get the pendant and give it to anju in order to get priority mail

So you can skip that part

That is all

really? why is pendant needed at all then?

You need it for couples mask

in order to anju to stay in the stock pot inn

Now for 100% Seg'd route!

Don't we already have one?

Not sure.

Segged is for pussies

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Am I the only one who SERIOUSLY fails at archery on a GCN controller? D:

pretty much ing. I can only do the archery on the gcn controller :I

Also holy crap will you guys stop saying I quit the run in IRC? Cause I didn't, I just haven't worked on it very much (which is kinda shitty) :/

Yo kids i've been practicing this a lot lately

in a couple months i think i'll be able to shit out a decent run

You better


so I can watch it and steal your strats :O

ALL DUNGEON ROUTES ARE IN THIS POST

FUCK


YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH

ok kids, sig sucks so i have to do the dungeon routes for him

i started a new file today and played to snowhead

i'll post the others when i get to them

also, boss key isn't required for 100% because you lose it when you go back in time
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SNOWHEAD
Start with: ZM, GFM, hs
-block skip, right door
-put on ZM, jump down and refill bombs if you're low
-roll jump + js to bridge, roll jump to freezard
-put on GFM, hs bubbles (2)
-up the stairs, map (3)
-back down, go to main room
-into yellow door
-pull block back 4, get key 1
-push block up, hs chest (4)
-jump to other side, open door
-hs crate
PAUSE: GFM, chus, hs
-slow recoil to switch (if you miss, hs back up to original door and quick recoil from the pointy edge closest to the switch) (5)
-get compass
-hs torch by chest, open (6)
-chu door, up stairs
-chu snowball, hs chest for key 2
-hs hidden fairy chest (7)
-open locked door, hs bubble, hs crate (8)
-next door, hs torch, and open the door next to it
-hs chest, back through door (9)
PAUSE: GM, GFM, hs
-goron roll to wizrobe, get FA, and leave
-roll down to middle pillar
PAUSE: FA, hs, GM
-FA right green door, enter
-FA freezards, hs torch by chest, open (10)
-put on GM, roll down to bottom floor, open door
-roll to switch, open chest (11)
PAUSE: ocarina, GM, hs
-up stairs, scarecrow, torch
-goron roll to opposite side, call scarecrow
-hs to hidden aclove, open chest (12)
-hs torch on next floor
PAUSE: GFM, FA, hs
-put on GFM, open locked door
-hs bubble (13)
-FA ice, up stairs
-kill lizalfos (15)
-take off GFM, next door
PAUSE: bombs, chus, FA
-hover to boss door (start at middle left edge of 3rd tile, end at corner of ramp)
-bk skip
-FA ice
PAUSE: arrows, GM, anything
-arrow Goht
-goron roll to HC, get remains
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TOTALS:
bombs- 2
chus- 12
arrows- 21
MP- 10 + some goron rolling (you have enough even without magic jar)

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k, played to Woodfall. Routed this from scratch in an hour. idk how it compares to Jiano's (if there's something he did better, you should say it)

WOODFALL
start with: GFM, hs, GM
-put on GFM (1)
-hs chest (2)
-hs torch and go to main room
-hs fairy pot from where you are (3)
-hs torch
-roll jump into fairy bubble and onto switch (4)
-GM into water, open chest (5)
-put on GFM, hs torch, and go through door
-hs hive > key chest (6)
-hs torch to map room, goron turtles for map
PAUSE: DM, FA, chus
-deku hop to flower
-FA eye switch
-go to frog room, fight
PAUSE: DGM, FA, DM
-talk to frog
-get bk, leave
-flower to main room
-FA torch to open bars
-deku hop to baba (7)
-open locked door
PAUSE: GFM, FA, chus
-put on GFM, FA web > skulltula > hive > torch (9)
-chu block (10)
-jump to torch by compass room, enter
-kill flies with FA, get compass
-climb to stairs, go up
PAUSE: stick, chus, GFM
-quick spin bos in center, open chest (11)
-light torches, next room
-go to the right of the top left hole and recoil to the left to guarentee an easy landing by the correct door, enter it
-put on GFM, hs 2 leftmost bubbles (13)
-jump to other bubbles (15)
-recoil to flower
-hs to boss door, open
-chu odolwa, bomb flower + quickspins
-HC and remains
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TOTALS
bombs- 0
chus- 6
arrows- 10
MP- 20

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routed STT pretty amazingly. gg to me. Also, STT is done all at once now instead of split up

STONE TOWER
start with: FA, bombs, chus
-FA eye switch, right door
-hover over sun block
-FA ice eye
PAUSE: ZM, bombs, chus
-zora swim under bridge
-dex hand to land
-bomb crystal switch, get key 1
-swim to opposite side, gj to chest and back (1)
-open locked door and blow up floor
PAUSE: hs, bombs, chus
-hs to fairy (2)
-hover from fairy to sun block, throw bombs at all armos
-get map
-hover over sun block to key 2
PAUSE: ZM, bombs, chus
-put on ZM to warp to door, open
-swim back to under bridge, step on underwater floor switch
-swim up to locked door
-hover over sun block to updraft room
PAUSE: DM, hs, bombs
-DM to fairy chest (3)
-DM to end, hs fire chest jiano style (4)
-fight garo for LA
-next room, bomb crystal switch for fairy (5)
-hs back up, next room
PAUSE: LA, bombs, chus
-LA eyegore for fairy (6)
-next room, get fairy chest (7)
-LA sun, recoil to entrance
-invert tower
-open fairy chest (8)
-open right door, LA block
PAUSE: DM, hs, LA
-deku to chest opposite you (9)
-LA sun under fire chest
-deku to fire chest, open jiano way (10)
-go in corridor, hit floor switch and get key 3
PAUSE: bombs, LA, hs
-recoil to eyegore, LA him
-hs upside down chest
-open door and fight gomess for bk
-go back, hs GiantM chest (open it) and recoil to other side
-open left door and hit floor switch
PAUSE: DM, hs, ocarina
-go back and open right door
-cross and go up stairs, fight wizrobe
-hs chest (11)
-sos to entrance
-sos to stone tower
PAUSE: bottle, hs, LA
-catch fairy, cross to STT
-get bottom chest, hs back up (12)
-open right door, LA block for compass
PAUSE: ZM, LA, ocarina
-zora to underwater chest (13)
-back up to mirror room
-LA sun and sun block for fairy chests (15)
-sos to entrance
PAUSE: LA, bombs, chus
-invert tower
PAUSE: hs, FA, GiantM
-hs to locked door, to boss room
-HC and remains
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TOTALS
lol who cares you have more than enough

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finally did gbt... couldve been way faster if gekko could be done w/o IA and if you could get the 2 fairies before the boss door w/o switching water direction (this would be huge).

ALSO, RESTOCK ON CHUS BEFORE DOING THIS DUNGEON. WOULD BE NECESSARY ANYWAY SO YOU CAN DO FAST IKANA CASTLE STRAT (vid whenever)

GREAT BAY
start with: arrows, stick, bombs
-backwalk until just behing torches, arrow lft and right ones
-deku stick middle 2, open chest (1)
-enter door, jump left
-roll jump onto red pump
-bomb recoil to turnkey;turn
-arrow bubble ad skulltula
PAUSE: bombs, chus, GFM
-put on GFM, hover to main room (3)
-go next to waterfall
-hover up 6, turn and face wall midhover
PAUSE: ZM, hs, GFS
-put on ZM to grab ledge, open door
-kill tektite, hs top from top right corner of plat, js recoil to chest (4)
-put on ZM, backwalk to main room
-jump in water and swim through top chamber
-swim through dex hands
-kill 3 babas with magic, 4th with rangs (5)
-next door, hs fairy pot, get thrown by dex hand perfectly to key (6)
-jump in right sector of flowing water to main room
-magic bottom pot and get annoying fairy (7)
-swim through bottom red chamber
-open locked door
-kill wart with GFS, get IA
PAUSE: ZM, IA, bombs
-go back to turnkey room, IA water so that you can Zora bomb long jump to turnkey; turn
-back to main room, top chamber
-swim up to fairy pot (8)
-zora long jump to turnkey room
-zora ground jump to turnkey; turn
PAUSE: hs, bombs, chus
-hs map chest
-hover to green door from there, open
-hover up yellow wall a bit, turn midhover
PAUSE: ZM, IA, hs
-put on ZM to grab wall, open chest (9)
-get fairy under seesaw (10)
-go up said seesaw to door
-IA waterfall
-hs top fairy chest (11)
-jump down to sideways elevator, hs other chest (12)
-Zora swim through chamber, get thrown by dex hand (dont mess up!)
-hs to compass, hs ceiling back
PAUSE: ZM, bombs, IA
-long jump to bk, fight gekko, win
PAUSE: don geros, ZM, ocarina
-talk to frog then sos to entrance
-zora swim to yellow turnkey to change waterwheel direction
-turn other yellow turnkey next to it
PAUSE: hs, ZM, GFM
-to main room, hs fairy barrel (13)
-zora swim through bottom green chamber
-rang underwater bubble
-put on GFM,hs other bubble (15)
PAUSE: bombs, chus, GFM
-hover to boss door
PAUSE: ZM, arrows, whatever
-own gyorg for HC and remains

DUDE!!!! I LOVE YOU KEETA

these routes are legit as fuck

you know what would be even more legit though?

GBT.. =]

also is that bomb flower shit w/ odolwa practical?

Jiano said it's not since you can't make him land right there. I wouldn't use it in a run

ive done odolwa bomb flower 3 times and all 3 it went perfect

maybe you're doing it wrong

i need a gbt route!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOGOGO

Not much, but something to consider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRsQVxlXI_0

Question is: Why C-up? it should hit the hive no matter, meaning you could drop it then go right to the spot before it lands
good stuff though, me likey

You have to have the hive on screen for it to blow up. Same with fairy bubbles. Positioning is really the only super strict thing about this trick.

In a speed run, if you could get to the pad and use c-up to look at the hive before it explodes, that will be pretty great for this trick.

GBT REVAMPED

Equipped: FA, GFM, chus
-put on GFM, FA left then right torch
-sidehop down ramp twice, FA others for chest (1)
-enter door, FA skulltula
-pull out chu, align self with door, release on 4th flash
-jump right onto rising platform (3)
PAUSE: bombs, GFM, chus
-1 bomb 3 chu hover to other side
-to waterfall, 1 bomb 5 chu hover + target last chu
PAUSE: hs, GFM, ZM (equip ZM first)
-angle change + zora grab ledge
-enter door, kill tektite
-hs js recoil to top, hs chest (4)
-put on ZM, backwalk back
-swim though top chamber and through dex hands
-get bio baba fairy (5)
-enter door, hs fairy pot, put on GFM
-hs compass chest, hs key chest (6)
-put on ZM, get key, go to main chamber
-bottom fairy pot and red chamber (7)
-to Wart door
PAUSE: hs, GFM, ZM
-get IA and leave
-Zora swim through top chamber to fairy pot (8)
-hs map chest
PAUSE: bombs, chu, GFM
-1 bomb 4 chu hover to green door
-1 bomb 4 chu hover up yellow wall to chest (9)
-put on GFM, go behind seesaw, one chu flash drop
-ascend to yellow door (10)
PAUSE: IA, ZM, hs
-freeze waterfall, hs top chest (11)
-jump down, hs other chest (12)
-Zora swim to dex platform
-sideroll to bk
-defeat gekko
PAUSE: DGM, ZM, hs
-put on DGM, get frog
-put on ZM, to main room
-swim up to top, hs fairy barrel (13)
PAUSE: bombs, trade quest item, chus
-1 bomb 7 chu hover to green room
PAUSE: bombs, arrows, ZM
-put on ZM, get bubble in tunnel
-get isg, arrow bubble
PAUSE: chus, GFM, ZM
-put on GFM, 4 chu hover to boss door (15)
-put on ZM, devastate Gyorg for HC and remains

Totals:
6 bombs
29 chus
8 arrows
14 MP + zora magic

WIP

MM 100% SS Cheesy (compliments to the chef)
Cycle 1:
-same as any%, but with NCT tree HP #1 and clock tower HP#2

Cycle 2
Day 1:
-play isot
-get soh
-bombers code for notebook
-100r in ECT
-hit CT owl
-adult wallet
-withdraw 130r
-bomb bag 20 chus
-to GB
-hit owl
-get ZM
-zora pots once
-swim to zora hall underwater
-lulu hp #3 zora strat
-evan hp #4
-exit normal entrance
-hit owl and get bombs
-ffww to ikana
-gibdo mask
-ikana owl and bombs
-to swamp
-bottle #1 and heal koume
-swamp owl +stick
-pictobox cruise
-beans and bugs
-hp #5
-sonata
-spiderhouse
-get sos
-open woodfall
-owl+stick+nuts
-get bow
-sos to ct
-kafei mask
-room key
-set midnight meeting
-sodt and undo isot

Night 1
-stray fairy
-archery for big quiver and hp#6
-bremen mask and bugs
-dupe nuts
-sc song + red potion
-20 chus
-swordsman hp#7
-midnight meeting
-100r knife chamber
-mail letter
-swamp gossips
-milk road owl
-hover into ranch
-milk bottle #3
-sodt

Day 2
-bunny hood
-doggy hp#8
-sodt

Night 2
-romani mask
-pendant
-post office hp #9
-gfm
-mountain gossip
-bay gossip
-kamaro mask
-isot
-dodongo hp#10
-mountain village owl
-scrub hp#11
-lot cave refill bombs
-goron mask
-canyon gossips hp #12
-moons tear akindo
-akindo hp#13
-stone mask
-captain hat
-graves for storms and hp#14
-hover to dampe, sodt if not day 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmHTBGct4Js

someone help look for a more efficient way to dampes grave on day 3, be it through his house or the grave loading zone

most practical thing to do is look for oobs

help

EDIT: BluRi just raped everyone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlG6ANNIc0w

Would the new 100% SS MM WIP also be used in a segmented run?

You know I hate to be pulling a Siglemic by asking for routes but..
optimal skulltula house routes would be gr8 (moreso woodfall house, not so much great bay)

Also the new route so far is looking pretty good I like it. I'll probably give what you have a playthrough

@zero- segged would be different to make the time slots harder to fulfill. I'm basing my route off the idea that mistakes are inevitable, so there may be short bits of waiting if everything goes right. Plus it would have the bio baba HP right before Great Bay

@Ani- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIGCjEUgn8s and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIGCjEUgn8s
You basically need to subscribe to my channel because I'll have lots of 100% vids coming up

Ocean Spider House has a lot of different strategies so if anyone sees a route improvement let me know:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm41F1jWQP8

Other than the 100% route that is being worked out right now is this (http://zeldaspeedruns.com/junk/mm100ss%20ver%202.txt) the most up to date route to start practicing on?

I have been following Zelda speedrunning since SDA and now I have tons of free time and a working console version of MM to learn the tricks and start practicing for the best(and evilist) category ever.

I'd say yes just to get a feel of where everything is, and it's not that bad of a route. I'd go ahead and go through that route a few times

Keeta should have the new 100% route by tomorrow.

keeta is a bitch for keeping his route seekrit

you asshole

we should do team mm 100% run.  :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)