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This is like the IL threads for other games, but this time we have an actual timer! after we get a bunch of submissions I (or whoever) can make a page on zsr, but I am lazy right now.

Rules:
1) Take a picture (remember to turn off the 3D first) of the final time displayed on boss select screen (not the time from killing the boss), and upload it.
2) Use the normal game (not master quest) for individual bosses, because I don't think the differences in normal boss fights warrant separate categories. For the boss gauntlet, the original and master quest version are separate categories.

if anybody thinks i forgot something, or wishes to dispute the rules go ahead.

Time are now featured on their own page!

http://zeldaspeedruns.com/oot3d/speedruns/boss-time-attack

If MQ is any different I think we should track times for both. Otherwise rules look good from what I can tell. We can tweak them if something comes up.

there are 3 differences in MQ for boss attack i believe.

1) Less items available

2) mirrored rooms

3) bosses do double damage

I didnt think these changes warrented another table for these reasons.

1) with deku stick doing normal power and pcs being gone, i dont see how item changes could effect time (unless they did something silly like give you ice arrows in normal and not MQ, or biggoron sword).

2) i dont think mirrored rooms matter really because boss rooms are pretty much symmetrical.

3) in a time attack you shouldnt be getting hit anyway, so this really doesnt matter.

of course if any of these reasons actually do play a difference in time, i will add a second table.

http://www21.atwiki.jp/zeldarta/pages/30.html

JP wiki for Boss times... and probably full game runs

I'm not exactly sure if that is true, I would think. For example, one chest leading up to Barinade contains Deku Nuts. The time stops when you get the chest item, so you only lose the time that it takes to deviate off the optimal path to the warp spot to get to the chest and such. It's like a second or less. And as we all know, Deku Nuts insta-kill the Bari in phase 2 and 3 of the Barinade battle, so I'd suspect the trade off there is worth it. And on King Dodongo, you don't actually have any bombs if you don't pick up the bombs from one of the chests after defeating Gohma. You have to run to a Bomb Flower, and I'm pretty sure that adds a few seconds on the first toss since you can't get around KD in time to get the bomb behind him, so you have to run to the one behind you and then run back.


Eck, wth @ Gohma time. Is PCS still in JPN version or something? I just retried the KD boss battle after seeing that time. (sorry for bad quality, cell phone cam - will take a better photo later if it's still suspect) Edit: co-worker snapped a better photo for me, so there.

Yeah until an AR device comes out for 3DS or anything like that, I think picture proof is fine. Maybe if we start getting a lot of questionable submissions, but to start things off I think everyone would be able to participate more if we only used pictures for time.

Yea, I don't think there are any AR/GS devices yet, and even though I've heard people have dumped ROMs, there's nothing to play them on yet, so no chance of modified versions of a game...yet. I wasn't actually submitting a time I guess, just showing that I think perhaps that time on the JPN site isn't quite indicative of what the better times will eventually be. Still, that Gohma time is bugging me. I always come up one jump attack short of the first cycle, and that's if I'm spot on (usually I'm two jump attacks short). Maybe there's a chance that time is for beating Gohma in-game, not necessarily in Boss Rush? I'm sure it's probably something obvious that a video will show off eventually. Would be cool if somebody figured out a way to pull of some kind of cancelling ability that cuts down on recovery time after doing a jump attack. Also, has anyone verified that you can keep continuously attacking certain enemies/bosses with properly timed attacks? Haven't really tried that out just yet.

Figured it out below.

greenalink said you can 1 cycle gohma with deku stick hits.. lmao

::) You don't get Deku Sticks in the Boss Rush mode for the battle against Gohma. However, you can beat her in one cycle.

your kd pic leads to the ghoma pic, i cant add the time until i see a pic of it for proof.

Ok, I just figured out how to beat Gohma in 1 cycle without Deku Sticks. After stunning her, hit her with a swing as you draw your sword, jupm attack 4x, mash out final swing. Only took 10 attempts to figure it out. Got 7.56 (pic later, at friends house with crappy cell phone). Congrats on tying thr KD mark.

Queen Gohma: 7:56 (pic incoming later Sunday when roommate with camera returns)
King Dodongo: 37:46 (http://i56.tinypic.com/10fvwr6.jpg)

It's simpler than you think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfpnqCung80

Your way is probably faster though.

Heh, so you can keep her down with timed attacks. Cool.

Here's a quick video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96FPTMpSVyw) showing my two times for QG/KD - I'll be able to do direct feed vids probably this week, so if I do any more times, I'll capture the whole thing. Switch the vid to 720p to get the time sorta clear. Audio in bg is NorCal MvC3 team finals stream.

Is there a list of all the chest contents for the gauntlet?

I think zelda dungeon said they were going to make one. they dont have it up yet

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37:40 on King Dodongo.

(http://i52.tinypic.com/72q0c1.jpg)



Don't have a good camera so deal with it.

(http://i53.tinypic.com/108gx0z.jpg)

32.43 on Volvagia.

Putting Japan on notice.

6.66 (http://i51.tinypic.com/6jp0g2.jpg) on Queen Gohma. And I'm pretty confident I can do faster.

Congrats on the KD time Pokey.

Morpha in 33.83

(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9756/morpha3383.jpg)

Morpha in 32.03 (http://i55.tinypic.com/23upsmg.jpg). That's all for me tonight.

53.33 on Phantom Ganon:

(http://i55.tinypic.com/155pc43.jpg)

With power crouch stab gone it is impossible to get 2 cycle (6 jumpslashes). So I came up with a strat to get a fast 3 cycle.

I put my finger at the bottom to help see the numbers. It takes away the white blob that you saw on the first picture I took (not on here anymore)

It is not impossible to get 2 cycles. From an earlier post:

24.73 on Morpha:

(http://i52.tinypic.com/33k6sr6.jpg)

18:40 on Bongo Bongo:

(http://i52.tinypic.com/2uztu1i.jpg)

MEGA-PWN!!!!!

(http://i.imgur.com/wotzp.jpg)

rofl

(http://i.imgur.com/EybYQ.jpg)

Ha, that's some serious ownage.

So any chance that once we start providing actual videos anyone would be in favor of revising the rules to end the timer upon the death blow? The timer always freezes on that to play out the death animation, so there would be no difficulty in discerning that time. I think it's kinda screwy to have times on some of these boil down to how close you are to the warp portal or bad camera angles for moving to the warp. Otherwise, I can see this all eventually coming down to who can "move" the fastest to the warp races.

I strongly disagree for a couple reasons-- we finally have a legit ingame timer which (so far) seems to be un-abusable.

I know rolling at a warp isn't really what a boss fight is all about, but these things are gonna be a frame-war anyway (especially king dodongo)

Also in my spare time I might do a bunch of boss runs but not really have a desire/means to record at that given time, so I like the screenshot proofs, especially that the 3ds isn't hackable at the moment.

finally, it seems in many cases the location of Link and the camera are always the same after the boss death cutscene. This is true of twinrova, PG, Bongo, Gohma?? Volvagia?? I'm not sure about all of these but it seems something that can be 'practiced' and not really left up to a lucky camera.

plus I have no clue what my time was defeating bongo, only the end time, lol

Yea, right now it's mainly Morpha that bugs me. And yes, you're correct on most of these, the camera angle/position is pre-set after the death animation completes (King Dodongo is always the same, for instance). I guess the more repetition, the more familiar it will be for everyone. I just personally don't like the 3DS analog pad, and compared to the N64 stick and even the GCN stick, I can't move as precisely (still hard to run straight at times, backwalking frequently interrupted by inadvertent diagonal walks, etc). Again, probably just an issue of need to play more and become comfortable with the pad.

TSA how did you get a 6.66 on Gohma? And what did "Putting Japan on notice" mean?

1) I put the strategy above. I'll make (should be able to) a video today to show it in real-time so you guys can use it.
2) That's just a phrase that's used in many avenues, but I was using it in the context of how the fighting game community uses it. It's just a playful taunt. The Japanese wiki times are still above 7 seconds, so that's why I said it to Japan.

(http://i.imgur.com/twWCB.jpg)

KD in 37.43

(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4598/kd3743.jpg)

I'm coming for you Pokey  8)

(http://i53.tinypic.com/2qtkcoo.jpg)

Barinade sucks without deku nuts. I'm giving up on it and just using this time.

Gauntlet in 7:30.90

(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7366/gauntlet73090.jpg)

Shit's hard. Lots of luck involved.

(http://i.imgur.com/12Vhh.jpg)

more ppl should post times even if not perfect to fill up the board :)

TwinRova in 2:01.70

(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/816/tr20170.jpg)

First phase is everything.

Morpha in 28:06

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/zeldapng.jpg/

Sorry about the quality but there is nothing I can do about it atm.

I'm not going to make serious runs on this until my 3DS is modded with the add on.

Pooped on:
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2vuy0ch.jpg)

(Gohma in 6.53)

EDIT-New Time
Morpha-27.96

(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8043/img0022nlh.jpg)

1 frame improvement:
(http://i52.tinypic.com/11ttord.jpg)

I think this is maxed out. At least I know I will NEVER even attempt to improve this.

Volcania: 35.23
(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1922/photo0997.jpg)

Morpha: 26.26
(http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6785/photo0999x.jpg)

Twinrova: 2.03.90
(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/282/photo0996.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/roJsO.jpg)

33.96 Volvagia. Sorry for the REALLY bad quality, i took the picture with my phone and it's old.

6.40 on Gohma - http://i53.tinypic.com/24llbmd.jpg

just a note for people with bad cameras, its hard to tell how your taking the picture, but if you turn flash off you might get a better quality picture.

EDIT: 32.30 on Volvagia

(http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj84/HitakaPhoenix/IMG_0653.jpg)

This is the best picture I've gotten so far, and it was with the flash on, with my finger half-covering it.

Here is a quick video of me getting 6.66 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBDxjCosa1o) on Queen Gohma on a quick attempt just to show off my strategy. Video still shows 6.40 is my best time. I also scrolled through the other times to show my Morpha in 25.83. Aside from King Dodongo, I haven't made serious attempts at any of the other bosses or gauntlet.

Decided to upload some times because I want to promote more competition. These are not nearly maxed, but most of them are halfway decent, and when I upload more times i will just update the pictures in this post, if you are looking for my proof.

Parasitic Armored Arachnid: Queen Gohma (7.86)
http://tinypic.com/r/2rneno1/7

Infernal Dinosaur: King Dodongo (37.56)
http://tinypic.com/r/hrzbs9/7

Bio-Electric Anemone: Barinade (1:04.23)
http://tinypic.com/r/x0v5v8/7

The Evil Spirit from Beyond: Phantom Ganon (1:01.26)
http://tinypic.com/r/210d309/7

Subterranean Lava Dragon: Volvagia (38.16)
http://tinypic.com/r/ljuqq/7

Morpha (32.33)
http://tinypic.com/r/k3rred/7

Phantom Shadow Beast: Bongo Bongo (21.56)
http://tinypic.com/r/331knly/7

Sorceress Sisters: Twinrova (2:42.36)
http://tinypic.com/r/2zstab5/7

Gauntlet: (9:25.20)
http://tinypic.com/r/34ecfac/7

I'm gonna start recording my boss time attack attempts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7pGFbmYq9U
Volvagia in 31.90

31.00 Volvagia

(http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj84/HitakaPhoenix/IMG_0657.jpg)

PG in 53.53

(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/194/pg5353.jpg)

Bongo in 18.23:

(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/58/bongo1823.jpg)

Volvagia-34.16

(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1281/img0027ug.jpg)

GAUNNNNTTTLEEEETT in 7:24.30

(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/3502/gauntlet72430.jpg)

Gauntlet in 6:57.23

(http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/6191/gauntlet65723.jpg)

I recorded this run on camcorder so I'll have a video soon too. Choked on TR phase 1 a little bit but the rest is really good.

Gohma-6.76
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9237/img0030i.jpg

King Dodongo-38.06
http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/1296/img0033cu.jpg

Morpha-26.73
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/764/img0035xtk.jpg

Gohma in 6.16:
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2d96aro.jpg)

The only boss that i've worked on  ;)

(http://i56.tinypic.com/vnp15f.jpg)

Barinade in 47.56

2 new times from me:
Barinade in 47.10:
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2il24qx.jpg)
Volvagia in 30.10:
(http://i52.tinypic.com/33az71v.jpg)

sorry for these huge photos  :-\

Barinade in 46.33

Pokey don't destroy my time so quickly! I'm tired of running this guy!

(http://i54.tinypic.com/b4evl1.jpg)

<333
(http://i54.tinypic.com/1zyutt.jpg)

(Bongo in 15.96)

2 new times:
(http://i51.tinypic.com/n6tif6.jpg)
(Barinade in 45:63)
(http://i51.tinypic.com/hv9lk5.jpg)
(Gauntlet in 6:56.26 just to make Alec mad :O)

You're insane Pokey.

Barinade in 45.60

(http://i56.tinypic.com/e6yphk.jpg)

45.16
(http://i56.tinypic.com/20qju4i.jpg)

We can do this all day

44.70
(http://i53.tinypic.com/ivg13a.jpg)

This time just keeps getting better and better.
Take the prize Pokey, show me a sub 44 ;)

37.40 on Dodongo

(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2182/1106300117000.th.jpg) (http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2182/1106300117000.jpg)

TR in 1:58.86

(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3594/tr15886.jpg)

Ugh... what a bitch of a boss. Mildly improvable... maybe 1.5 seconds at the very most I would think.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0192.jpg (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0192.jpg)

6.13 on Gohma.

Dodongo in 37.36 (Tied with Pokey in 1st place :))

(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4720/1107010616001.th.jpg) (http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4720/1107010616001.jpg)

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0194.jpg (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0194.jpg)

Bongo Bongo in 13.83

How is that even possible?

the fuck?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0195.jpg (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0195.jpg)
Bongo Bongo in 12.66

Probably still improveable.

Everytime somebody beats my bongo time I keep getting new ideas... I think I see how you may be doing this

edit: no I don't. shit haha

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0197.jpg (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0197.jpg)
Bongo Bongo 12.50

Okay, I'm satisfied with this time.

It's done by manipulating Bongo Bongo to move his left hand right in front of you at the very beginning of the fight. To do that, hold back at the very beginning. Mash X and you should land a hit on the first hand no problem, which stops his right hand from bouncing you. Use gyroscopic aiming to quickly hit his right hand and then his eye. To kill him, L-Target and Stab, Jump Slash, L-Target Stab, Jump Slash, Jump Slash, and then Crouch Stab until he's dead. Crouch Stabbing instead of using L-Targeting might be better. I haven't messed with it. Also, it might be possible to get 4 Jump Slashes. Still a lot to work around with.

Edit: http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Mobile%20Uploads/Photo0199.jpg (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Mobile%20Uploads/Photo0199.jpg)
11.86

I think it may be time to focus on some new bosses. Squeezed one more attack in before the last Jump Slash.

No. You aren't getting low times doing crouch stabs.

George, most digital cameras/camera phones have a built in video recorder. You should record and try to get a high 12.XX or something. 11 is really unbelievable by me.

hey guys, long time sequence breaker and lurker, newbie speed runner here.

not great with speed tricks.

was wondering if you could share strategy for dodongo king, volvagia and phantom ganon?

what are the best ways to damage once bosses are stunned?

i have got 6.63 for gohma and still think there is room for improvement - the best i have got on last slash is 5.73 and i know i can do better. how can i go faster to the blue circle? best i can do is .83 secs but normally it's .87 or .90.. :x

thanks, will try to post more actively and contribute to the oot 3ds cause!

@wannagofast, jumplash all bosses except for ghoma/morpha/bongo. on those bosses you time your attacks to keep them vulnerable(you might mix in a few jumpslashes though). 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OutX2izXQno

You shouldn't be able to kill Bongo in that little amount of crouch stabs.

How do you figure? Bongo Bongo takes 18 regular Master Sword attacks. Jump Slashes do double damage. So once Bongo is stunned, slash, jump slash, slash, jump slash, slash, jump slash, and 9 crouch stabs. How does that not equal 18?

Yeah, I counted. He does 36 damage total. The three slash-jumpslash combos alone take half his health.

Crouch stabs do half the damage as regular slashes. That's why it takes longer to crouch stab Morpha that use regular slashes. Maybe crouch stabs do half the damage as your previous attack or something. Will someone test?

Crouch stabs do the same as a normal slash. I tried them after normal slashing and after jump slashing, and it always took two hits to kill a blue tektite with MS.

I don't really see the point of the crouch stabs though, normal slashes do the same damage. Speed isn't an issue because of his invincibility frames.

master sword crouch stabs always do 2 damage.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-3d/Boss_Rush_Leaderboard

Apparently IGN is tracking times. Some of the times here are listed there. They only show the leaders.

Speaking of leaders, I've submitted a TWR a few day ago and the list didn't get updated :/

poopety poop

(http://i52.tinypic.com/iz2rd0.jpg)

Gohma in 5.86 (http://www.gemakei.com/other/gohma.jpg)
Volvagia in 32.30 (http://www.gemakei.com/other/volvagia.jpg)
Twinrova in 2:00.86 (http://www.gemakei.com/other/twinrova.jpg)

Gohma in 5.60 is for certain possible. Maybe faster.

My records :

Gohma - 6.06
King Dodongo - 37.43
Barinade - 46.16
Phantom Ganon - 53.76
Volvagia - 32.10
Morpha - 23.50
Bongo Bongo - 17.36
Twinrova - 2.04.96
Gauntlet - 7.19.36

Emperor91: we require picture proof

(http://i.imgur.com/4Lvrj.jpg)

Okay  :)
There is some photos at first...

Gohma - 6.06 : http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/gohma606.jpg/
Morpha - 23.50 : http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/morpha.jpg/
Phantom Ganon - 52.46 : http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/phantomganon.jpg/
Volvagia - 32.10 : http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/volvagia.jpg/

Volvagia quality is pretty bad.

Crazy Bongo Bongo record Cosmo, I don´t really success do anything great at this boss  :(

Gohma - 5.80 seconds (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0204.jpg)
Bongo Bongo - 11.73 seconds (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0205.jpg)

I've killed Gohma in 5.60, but I don't know if getting to the teleport before time starts ticking again and maintaining that time is possible.
I'm pretty sure Bongo Bongo is possible in 11.70, maybe even faster.

If you're angled to the side of the portal, you can side hop (this I actually have not been able to replicate very often) and reach the portal with no time elapsed. That's how I got my 5.86 - I killed Gohma in 5.86 and somehow side hopped to the portal without wasting any time. I have also killed her in 5.60, so that's why I said 5.60 is possible, but each time I've done that, the side hop didn't work.

Yeah, that's how I got my 5.8. It's kind of a weird issue. It definitely seems like a bug. I constantly get jump attacks when I try to roll to portals. Perhaps it happens when you hit A on the first possible frame.

Wait what? I killed Gohma in 5:00 on my 5:86. What am I doing wrong going to the warp? I'm just rolling.

It's possible to manipulate how close to the portal you'll be after killing Gohma simply by the direction Gohma is facing when she is stunned. If you're close enough to the portal, you can get to it without the timer starting again. Basically, by sacrificing a small amount of time to get slightly closer to the portal, you save time on the timer since it won't count after she dies.

Unfortunately, the race to the portal is more important than killing the boss.

I posted the method in the Gohma thread, probably should have just posted it here. Basically, you roll past Gohma (or use whatever means you feel is most efficient to go around her) and lock-on to her in the process of moving by her. Then you kill her as we all have been doing. When George and I said 5.60 is our fastest time to kill Gohma, it meant using this new stat. I think 5.13 was the fastest I killed her straight up, and my best time to get to the portal when killing her from the front is .80 seconds.

Except for Phantom Ganon and Volvagia (where it's reasonably easy to get no time elapsed rolling to the portal and it's always in the same spot), all of these runs are going to come down to "getting to the portal races", which IMO stinks.


Theoretically, since there seems to be a small window of time when the clock begins and Gohma is invulnerable, you're not wasting as much time (and possibly none) by using that window more efficiently than waiting for the eye to turn red. One time, and only one time, I managed to roll straight at Gohma, get damage boosted behind her with lock-on and fired the seed while being knocked back, but I screwed up on the execution of the attacks (I sometimes sidehop when trying to jump slash at that weird angle). I'm pretty sure if I had done my best execution, faster then 5.60 on that start would have been possible.

 I think the person who developed this route was familiar with the Deku Scrub trick in Great Deku Tree, where you move around it while it's ready to fire, using the window where it is preparing to fire to gain distance to the door, so when you hit it and get the dialogue box, you're closer to your goal than if you just stood there.

You can tsc to go oob in volvagia's room but I haven't been able to hit him with an arrow.

Gohma - 5.70
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/89/gohma570.jpg/

Phantom Ganon - 51.30
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/phantomganon5130.jpg/

At Gohma I had 5.66 boss fight, time ran one frame when going portal :/
Phantom Ganon pretty good at strategy I used, it´s not pure 2 round kill.

Yeah, I messed around with that hoping to be able to hit Volvagia, but I doubt you can do it unless a way to hover is found. I also tried the technique to clip my arrow shots through the center pillar, but the arrows just end up hitting the lava.

Yeah, you can't use your slingshot for the first second or so of the Gohma boss battle. L-Target and move behind her to where the portal is, and Gohma will turn around to face you.

I think rolling is actually slower because by the time you finish rolling, the window will be over and Gohma will lunge at you while trying to get your slingshot out.

I've killed Gohma in 5.6, and being right where the portal is would preserve that time.

So do you strafe around her, or do you sidehop? I've never actually gotten 5.60 and been right on the warp spot, so I think maybe I'm not doing the "movement" part correctly at the start. I roll, and in mid-roll, L-target Gohma, then I do a variable of things after (side hop, strafe, backflip, etc), but in none of my attempts have I actually been right on the portal. Maybe a vid of seeing that would explain it better.

I just got 6.16 by rolling around Gohma and L-Targeting in the process. My finish time was 6.10, and because I was behind her, the portal was right next to me.

0.06 portal race time

Morpha c'est ma te-pu!
19,70!
I have tried to send the pic to cosmo by mail, I don't know if he will get it.

Also, I managed to longshot morpha before the fight with the amelioration of hookshot clip. I've a vid of it but you can't hit her before the fight start.

y not post it in this thread. thats the easiest way to post the picture, plus i update the times more than cosmo.

<-<

Gohma - 6.06
http://i54.tinypic.com/11akape.jpg (http://i54.tinypic.com/11akape.jpg)

King Dodongo - 37.53
http://i52.tinypic.com/vzvspy.jpg (http://i52.tinypic.com/vzvspy.jpg)

Morpha - 25.2
http://i53.tinypic.com/29dtgdc.jpg (http://i53.tinypic.com/29dtgdc.jpg)

Phamtom Ganon - 58.5
http://i52.tinypic.com/24ljtbc.jpg (http://i52.tinypic.com/24ljtbc.jpg)

Volvagia - 31.70
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/volvagia.jpg/

Bongo Bongo - 12.26
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/bongobongo.jpg/

King Dodongo - 37.36
http://s1122.photobucket.com/albums/l540/No1Inparticular1232/?action=view&current=Untitled651.jpg

Sorry about the quality...

http://hpics.li/7533d08
Picture proof for morpha.

46,30 barinade: http://hpics.li/941a3d6

31,56 volcania: http://hpics.li/ecf0030

15,66 bongo-bongo: http://hpics.li/6f61ac8

53,83 phanom ganon: http://hpics.li/9dbb925

37,63 KD (yeh i suck at kd): http://hpics.li/edcf3d6


Morpha before fight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4GGYwW65m4

6,60 gohma: http://hpics.li/10811e2

Ghoma, 6.10

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad200/p8ntballsniper87/DSC01239.jpg

Funny how the camera took a clear picture only when I had the 3D turned on >>

bongo bongo 11.53
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB0rNHaiYgE

Gohma in 5.80 (http://i52.tinypic.com/30suhp1.jpg)
FYI - We also got our retail direct feed capture unit for the 3DS finally. I captured a 5.83 attempt today. While it's not better than my best time, what's important is it shows the double side hop to the warp portal in no time. While I still can't pull it off consistently, I am getting it to work about 1 in 5 times. Once the video is posted, I'll link to it here. Hopefully it is of some use to refining the strategy.

Edit: Video is up: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/sdcc-11-the-legend/718039

Gohma: 5.96 seconds

http://i.imgur.com/SVuqZ.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/SVuqZ.jpg)

EDIT: 5.90

Nice, I saw the video featured on GoNintendo.com (nothing too special, just a mini news saying more clips and when I saw that video I thought of you).

Does that mean your retail direct feed capture unit can finally record DSiWare (and 3DSWare) games directly now?

Wow, great job. Why does the timer stop when sidehopping? Definitely going to try this.

Yes, it can capture DSiWare, 3DSWare, Virtual Console, 3D Classics, and even DS games.


How to actually execute it is up for debate currently. Current theories I put forward are:

1) Input in the frame(s) before final blow carry over, so if you side hop after final blow, it will come out. I personally suspect this is the least likely cause.

2) Input in frame(s) after you regain control of Link after death cutscene. If you get in a side hop in that window, Link side hops.

3) Directional input/Camera confusion when you regain control might be another explanation. There have been times I have done the sidehops without ever pressing L, but by just pressing A. And sometimes I jump slash without pressing L after I regain control.

The one consistent is that every time I've done the side hop trick, I've never held just right, but diagonally down and right (SE direction).

As to WHY it works, no clue. I've actually had the side hopping work but time still elapsed (usually around .1 seconds). This is something that will probably be figured out when emulation roles around.

2 seems like the most likely cause. 3 has happened to me before.

Some people say that you can find giant's knife in the big chest after Volvagia.

Chest content depend of the timer and I'm not sure you can find the GK when speedrunning gauntelet. But it means that we may find it somwhere before Twinrova which would allow to one cycle her in last phase.

Slow down enough to get the Giant's Knife, then one cycle the rest of the bosses?

No. It would just be used to one cycle twinrova.
It breaks after five or six hits. So maybe two or three hits on morpha/bongo but no more. If we have to wait more than 30s then screw it.

Almost had 5.56 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iN_16xYktg) on Gohma. So frustrated. Several 5.60-5.70s (finishing blow), but no double side hops on any of them to seal the deal. This just needs to happen so I can move on to the next boss already.

too bad about that mistake.

the video looked like it was in 60 fps.

ow that sucks.

I just did the sidehop method and didn't lose any time.

37.40 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAgIaGNQ4OM) on King Dodongo. Should have had 37.36, but slight off center roll at end -_-.

you can get the GK after phantom ganon in gauntlet. i did 3 hits on bongo with it and it broke with 1 hit on twinrova

http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac286/TailskoTheFemaleVixen/SANY0225.jpg (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac286/TailskoTheFemaleVixen/SANY0225.jpg) for King Dodongo!
http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac286/TailskoTheFemaleVixen/SANY0227.jpg (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac286/TailskoTheFemaleVixen/SANY0227.jpg) for Phantom Ganon!

Ignore the dates on the photo's please.

56.76 seconds on phantom ganon

Haven't played boss rush that much, but I finally came up with some decent times!

Gauntlet Mode 06:57:93
http://i.imgur.com/wJYRy.jpg

Barinade 51:43
http://i.imgur.com/anHK4.jpg

Morpha 26:00
http://i.imgur.com/tXqia.jpg

You should post individual (sticky) threads on how to speedrun different bosses. And other people can submit their strategies. just a suggstion.

Hate to do this, especially right after the site just updated.

Ghoma - 5.73 http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad200/p8ntballsniper87/DSC01302.jpg

Barinade - 50.96 http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad200/p8ntballsniper87/DSC01297.jpg

Sorry about the giant image D:

5.53 5.50 is possible on Gohma. Another screw up on hops to portal. Consistently getting 5.56-5.63 now, but seriously, can somebody please figure out how to trigger the side hops...this is getting annoying.

I think there's a window of time between the ending of Gohma's death scene and Link regaining movement. Side hopping during that frame of time could make Link side hop before the timer begins again. Or it could be side hopping immediately after the final hit on Gohma, then the game automatically registers your movement as a sidehop as soon as you regain control.

I think it all comes down to luck, really. If you're getting those times and are right next to the portal, I would just play it safe and roll.

My problem is the best time I've gotten by rolling is .16, but usually it's .36 or more. I am not literally right next to the portal ever. I'm always at least 1 hop distance, usually within 2 hops. So, to get a good time, I need the side hops to happen. Unless, by the video I posted, you can point out something I am doing wrong in terms of spacing. If I could be as close to the portal as say the end of Volvagia or Phantom Ganon's battle, then it's possible to get to the portal in no time or almost no time (maybe .03 ticked on).

I deleted my Morpha pic. Here is the new one:
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/52448520110722125848.jpg

Here are also the others:
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/57062420110722125835.jpg
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/38755420110722125827.jpg
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/76007620110722125840.jpg
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/76476220110722125900.jpg
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/62901320110722125905.jpg
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/36649520110726023442.jpg

I have got 5,93 Gohma and 37,60 KD but no pic yet.

PLEASE, for the love of... anything, put thumbnails instead!!!

Oops...  :-X Fixed.

This. I'm not getting an understanding how to get the double side hops. I can get 5.50 ~ 5.90 easy, but I lose so much time trying to roll to the portal.

At the very least, I've learned that it's not input in between the final strike hitting Ghoma, and her death animation playing. It's all input afterwards. I think it might be pressing the a button at just the right time either during her death animation (like towards the end or something) or right as it ends.

Couldn't you test using home buffering to see when the input start to function?
It is probably a slow and annoying way to test it, but it should atleast tell you when you're suppost to do your inputs.

Its the first frame you gain control, since the game hasn't completely taken you out of L targeting yet.  Then the second sidehop has to be the frame before you touch the ground.

(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/9715/barinade.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/29/barinade.jpg/)(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/8117/bongoz.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/820/bongoz.jpg/)(http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/3122/phantomganon.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/571/phantomganon.jpg/)(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8461/morpha.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/684/morpha.jpg/)(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5900/twinrova.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/200/twinrova.jpg/)(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/486/gauntletl.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/651/gauntletl.jpg/)

Not a new time, but here is the video of the 5.80 Gohma time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW-ZcymFSzo). This shows that time can still advance even when pulling off the side hops. I know ZFG pointed out "how" you can do the hops, but it would be nice to have an explanation as to why sometimes time doesn't advance, and others, it does. You can look at my 5.83 video (where time didn't advance) and 5.80 video (where time did advance .04 seconds) for reference.

Gohma in 5.76:                           King Dodongo in 37.36            Barinade in 48.13
(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_jvM8my7ZWd5khlWJLYGm8QpSQ.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=W26rcNFFt)(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_8AmVlPYaF5va6FZTzoiSJMZS.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=3p0nFFZOpg)(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_zUrdwGPczOBfjojPXZOXDCZJg.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=HBF5xunOu4)
Phantom Ganon in 49.80            Volvagia in 29.80                      Morpha in 21.73
(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_hkkEmW0pvq0UyZFMqM6GPHAe9.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=RxDU5xJsr)(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_K41j6lZ4psb7XSfgxPMj2Ybq.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=tLzG9bpmRs)(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_8vm9hzYNxsKm1gW7MB8yll0gl.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=sClW1H1PSS)
Bongo Bongo in 12.06              Twinrova in 1:56.96                   Boss Gauntlet 6:24.93
(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_pMwkGEUliEJD966i8D3lxDiz.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=3Obkb3g9OM)(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_u0dlKiQ0i9HYtq1tBQ8nQu5Lh.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=q2yiYyGXrt)(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_fuYx87zEol4B43qmXC4cxUzGW.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=VQTFa3Dc6q)

nice times. you should try speedrunning the whole game given your skills.

Can Someone help me? i have gotten a few times that i think are fast but could someone PLEASE tell me the sort of strategies people use for the bosses to speedrun them because i can't find it ANYWHERE online that doesn't say use the power crouch stab and deku sticks because i know those glitches dont work! i joined this site hoping i could get help in this area but i haven't found anywhere giving hints on how to defeat them in the times that you guys are all setting. :(  :(  :(  :'(

Thanks, UchihaSasuke. :)
I'm not sure if I can do any run without any good recording device...

Anyways, I just found out yesterday that the game is even more broken.

King Dodongo in 28.10
(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_H9Tk4geSF6o5wBppeKq8zvc.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=nLkTgqZVzb)

Can anyone guess how I got that? It is actually a horrible record. I can get near 20 seconds I believe.

Quick_Learner, I haven't gotten that many hints either. However, If you read through this topic you should be able to get a good Gohma, King Dodongo and Bongo Bongo record.

Did you find a way to 2 cycle him?

1) You found a way to interrupt his rolling so he doesn't roll as far?
2) You found a way to do more damage when he's vulnerable (either multiple hits or a single attack that is more powerful)?

No. None of those matters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYqexORST2Q

If you use the bottle while in the air the timer stops until you touch the ground again. Just like the timer stops when you hookshot to something. (Morpha battle).

My new record is 20.30, and it's still far from max.

Ah, clever. I didn't know that about Morpha - so that's how people are getting faster times on that. Still working on Gohma (actually haven't touched OoT 3D in a week or so), but when I get that 5.50 on Gohma, I'll try this out on Dodongo and Morpha. Thanks for sharing.

Yeah, this will pretty much give major improvements for most bosses. It would be really unfair not to tell this. At least in my opinion.

And good luck with Gohma. It's insane to get those side hops to work properly.

It's always good to have more people chiming in so better routes and tricks are figured out, so thanks for sharing. And good job on the times you got.

Awesome found CGN  :o

Shame that all my records sucks now, but have to redo all records when playing game next time  :)

Aww. Does this mean that people will stop doing "legit" boss battles?
Why did they have to make it possible to manipulate the timer. It is just annoying :(

With this being said, it would be sweet if there was some kind of list for "real time". This would obviously require you to record though.

I,m not thinking about stopping, I think I make timer manipulating records to my Master Quest save and keep regular records on normal quest save ;) I,m not sure if one site allow this trick, it's still timer manipulating, which is not allowed on that site.

Separating sounds like good thing if possible  :)

Simple solution: 2 lists.
Runs without the time freeze tricks via bottle (more balanced for now like a Megaman 9/10 real time run)
The other with the time freeze tricks via bottle (more like Megaman 9 with pause buffering but with mini time freezes instead).

this is when game breaking glitches become bad.

why couldn't the devs test this better?

I agree...

They probably just didn't put too much effort into testing the boss rush feature because they figured it didn't really matter much to the "average" player.

Yeah, that is pretty much what I was thinking.
Except that the standard list will require you to record the battle now, as it is IMPOSSIBLE to know if someone has used the time freeze trick or not otherwise.

I didn't use the freeze trick for my Morpha 19,70. Otherwise I would have got something like 18s.

Just a question, for volagua, can we use the same trick as N64, or the MajoraMIM's morpha trick?

No you can't.

Non on peut pas.

Phantom Ganon looks like more easy, in 3D version, i can do something like 10-20 seconds...

Well this sucks. Boss times are now pointless :(

Not true. This glitch actually adds more skill to the boss challenges IMO

The better question would be, why did the devs even program timer stops in the first place? The timer should only stop for one reason, and that's the end of the fight.

and lol and behold, a bottle is what causes this glitch. another reason why the game should have been remade completely instead of just porting it.

i can't imagine the kind of dumb programming they would have done that lets bottles stop the timer.

Fighting Ganondorf with a bottle in the original was fun

That just tells you that a bottle is always the best and most useful item in OoT 3D or not.

stupid f***ing timer manipulation glitch that cosmo predicted when the game first came out. only question is why did it take so long to find out as it seems to be the same/similar to the timer glitch in console oot that enables you to beat volvy without tunic or many hearts.

anyway this severely demotivates me to updating the page (not that i did it much anyways), and there is no way that i am going to keep up multiple lists as that is too much work, although any other zsr editor can feel free to update it.

anyway, 2 lists arent even needed as iirc you dont get any bottles in master quest (i have just heard this so i may be wrong)

(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8382/snapshot20110903g.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/716/snapshot20110903g.jpg/)

No bottle trick.  This new PG trick savers a bunch of time http://youtu.be/XKyb019C3eA .  I did this in literally 3 tries so im sure it could go quite a bit lower.

nice find

Do quickspin on gohma isn't faster than horizontal slashs?

It's a lot slower.

I don't think Boss Rush is ruined. Master Quest does not have bottles. But, the screenshots will look exactly the same.

7.76 on Gohma, first time ever getting anything below 20 seconds.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2901143/DSC02789.JPG (BIG picture)

i know its not as good as some of you, but its still freaking great to me :P!

Finally got a sub 6:00 boss gauntlet. Here is the image outside of Twin Rova's blue warp, with all of my inventory moved to the visible part of the screen. As you can see, no bottles. (Sorry for the huge images)

(http://i.imgur.com/oXt23.jpg)

Here is the actual image of the record. Everything went almost perfectly, I think it would be very hard to beat. 5:55.60

(http://i.imgur.com/eFkfp.jpg)

@poodleskirt how is that proof you have no bottles? You are only showing part of the screen, so it is perfectly plausible that you could be hiding the bottles over on the edge.

Notice Link's hand is left handed = Not Master Quest.

@Thundrio, I actually beat my record again today and managed to take a better picture of the pause menu outside of Twin Rova's warp, here it is (05:53.43):

(http://i.imgur.com/4ZHht.jpg)

Obviously no bottles. Here's the actual time (05:53.93):

(http://i.imgur.com/x38b9.jpg)

Sorry if my last post was unclear, I thought you could sufficiently see that there were no bottles on the side. I made sure to take a better pic this time. I am proud of this time since it's my record and I've only gotten sub 6:00 three times. I don't see how the images would be insufficient proof, but I can give you a play by play of the run if need be. I use a couple strats not used by pokey and aleckermit in their old runs, and none of them involve timer manipulation.

Well you still are not showing the stuff you currently have equipped, and so you could conceivably have bottles there. Besides as Greenalink said it looks like link is left handed in that picture, and AFAIK link is right handed in MQ

@thundrio: First, you *can* see what I have equipped on that screen. The buttons on the right side of the grid show what you have equipped currently. There is no way I could have a bottle in my inventory and not have it show up on the bottom screen while paused. And yes, this is not Master Quest, I don't claim that it is.

On top of the images posted above I decided to try to film myself playing 3DS a bit. I emailed you a video (from my university email account) showing me getting to Twin Rova in 3:46 before getting trolled/owned by her, proving that the time posted above is easily possible without bottles or any other kind of clock manipulation. Sorry for the low quality of the video, I was having to reach around my laptop as it sat on my lap and filmed the screen.

I advise you to watch me getting owned by Twin Rova, for the lulz.

I'm sorry i did not see the items on the side of the screen. If you look at the forums, the image is zoomed in a lot from the actual image, and so you should be able to see why I thought you were hiding something.

Sorry for the accusation, and good job on the time, it looks pretty good.

Yeah, I'm sorry about the giant images. Imgur does that to me for some reason. You were right to be skeptical given the weird new cheat thing, so it's nothing to apologize for :-)

But yeah, obviously not a lot of people care about the 3DS Boss time trials, but I don't think there's any reason the Bottle thing should ruin them. Anyone who can take a picture of their time in the boss select screen is obviously capable of taking a picture of their inventory right before the run ends.

In my opinion, for those bosses where it's impossible to prove you didn't use a bottle by using pictures, thundrio should either decide that the bottle thing is legal in just those boss fights or that filming it is required (since pretty much everyone has a webcam). No reason to let a silly glitch ruin the time trials. Personally I would say filming is the way to go, since I think the runs should be about beating the bosses quickly, not playing with bottles.

I don't really care anymore to be honest. I put the time attack tables on zsr/oot3d so that any editor could update if they felt like it, but I really don't see myself ever updating the tables anymore. It's just too much work for something I don't care about anymore.

Sorry.

=)

The guy worked hard for his time and wants to show it on a site with sections made for this. Denying him that is pretty rude

@Thundrio, totally understood :-) I wouldn't want to have to deal with a responsibility that I didn't care about, either

@TomNook, thanks for going to bat, but it's really not a big deal at all :-)

Hi there guys,

I just joined these forums and actually only for one question xD Could I add my Boss Rush Records to the tables? I will of course use the ones from the "none-glitch" save. I also have a save where i am having fun with the glitches, but thats a seperate thing.

So if there is anyone still updating the boss rush tables I would take pictures of my times (havn´t done any yet, but i will soon) and upload em. Are there actually any other rules except fro no bottles? Should I rather do the time attack on MQ just to make sure i get no bottles?

So today I shaved a few frames out of this.
(http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/1052/img0167x.jpg)

[we can't access your hard drive lol]

johanelbe

You need to upload the photo to a image hosting site such as...

http://www.imgur.com
or
http://www.photobucket.com

http://s1061.photobucket.com/albums/t478/johanelbe/?action=view&current=Snapshot_20120422_1.jpg

johanelbe

Hope it works now! :)

Anyone knows any good strats for Morpha and Barinade?
My best times is 29:40 sec for Morpha and 54:20 sec for Barinade.

Morpha: try to hookshot her (yeh, to me, Morpha's a she) right after you get on the side of the room (don't wait until she makes the tentacule). Hookshot her to the corner and attack once then do two jump attacks (take one step back after each), you should be in the corner so slash normaly once (continue to step back between each strike) then do two jump slashes again.

I got 19,70 with this.


Barinade: be fast and try to kill two biris on the first row while attacking the heart.

http://s1061.photobucket.com/albums/t478/johanelbe/?action=view&current=Snapshot_20120426_1.jpg

Barinade: 48:80 sec

Johanelbe

bump for Boss Rush

What's the point of submit the times here if it ain't going to be submittet on zeldaspeedruns.com?
sorry for my bad english ;P

Just to talk about Boss Rush, along with challenging yourself and other members for better times. Showing new strats, etc.

Not really that good, but I have 40.96 seconds on King Dodongo. Does anyone have any tips on doing it faster?

Update- got 38.56 seconds. Woo!

Okay, I'm bumping this thread to share my best times. I don't have a way to show pictures right now but I will in time.  ;) These times were without the timer glitch.

Phantom Ganon: 45:56

(Insert Picture Here)

Twinrova: 1:58:53

(Insert Picture Here)

Gohma in 05.66
(http://s13.postimage.org/w0bknaqp3/IMG_325311.jpg)

Morpha in 23.43
(http://s13.postimage.org/n06z33ulj/IMG_325211.jpg)

I'm just gonna bump this on there.

Guys, I am trying to get a good time, and I'm mostly stuck on Volvagia. How do you interrupt his attacks to beat him in around 40 secs?

Also, I CANNOT for the life of me get under 2 minutes with Twinrova. Am I supposed to once-cycle phase two, or not? In any case, any tips on how to do it?

And also, any tips for Phantom Ganon?

Heck, in general, are there any good boss guides? There don't seem to be any on this website... But I have relatively good/passable times on most bosses, and would really like to improve them. Any tips?


EDIT: Since my Twinrova time seems kinda not too bad, I though I'd submit it:
(http://i.imgur.com/k4LhErX.jpg?1)

(True story: I lost 6 seconds going to the warp portal... -_-)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3802/9393640249_5fc5ae2be6_c.jpg)

My response: http://www.youtube.com/v/zRFzTsM2OKE&start=47&end=53&version=3

Still nobody to beat this one? ^^

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/52448520110722125848.jpg

Give me a week ^.^

(http://i.imgur.com/Y0Hfwr4.jpg)