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Update in latest post by me.

segment 1: (Time: 04:54.13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CEP8XFI-zg))
segment 2: (Time: 09:32.85 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etIDpgMqiL4))
segment 3: (Time: 04:25.44 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4vQOLkNhPk))
segment 4: (not finished)
segment 5: (not finished)
segment 6: (not finished)
segment 7: (not finished)
segment 8: (not finished)
segment 9: (not finished)
segment 10: (not finished)
segment 11: (not finished)
segment 12: (not finished)
segment 13: (not finished)
segment 14: (not finished)
segment 15: (not finished)
segment 16: (not finished)
segment 17: (not finished)
segment 18: (not finished)
segment 19: (not finished)

Goal time: sub 1:32:00

Total time: 00:18:52.42

Version being used: NTSC VC

Route: http://www.zeldaspeedruns.com/mm/routes/any-segmented

http://www.zeldaspeedruns.com/mm/routes/any-segmented

Here's your route.

... How did I miss that?

Anyways ty Ing, guess this means I can get to attempting this run now since there's already a route written up for me. (might disappoint my stream viewers though seeing as I have no way to record and stream at the same time.)

Oh well I suppose it was a bit fun writing and planning a- ah who am I kidding this was a big waste of time if there was already a optimized route.

Alright I got the first two segments done and are uploading now. (my computer takes forever to upload videos though 'cause it's got crappy upload speed.)

I will update this post and the OP once they're all done and processed. (also tell me if I should re-do any segments once I update this post with the links.)

In the mean time I'll be re-watching Ing's 1:49 just so that I can bask in his consistency with megaflips. ;D (jk it's more for my entertainment 'cause I can't stop watching it.)

EDIT: just updated the OP to include the first 2 segments and a bit more info on my run.

sorry ing your disciples are weak but mine they strong

itt kaztalek tries to start shit with me as usual

Anyway playe, those segments are somewhat decent, but you should really be getting times of like 5:10 for seg 1 on VC (although I have no idea how). At the very least you should get 5:13 for seg 1 on VC to match my old segs from N64.

Kaztalek please don't try to troll ing in this thread, for all of us.

Advice taken Ing, btw Alckermit and Zero told me over IRC that my video was a bit choppy, could you see anything like that when you watched it? I'm curious to see if it was just IRC messing up the video. (assuming they watched it through IRC which idk if that's possible with a downloadable client.)

Idk, I don't remember specifically seeing anything like that. What exactly are you using to record again? DVD recorder? If it's a DVD recorder and you're using anri to encode, there shouldn't really be any problems. I recommend posting a quality test on the SDA forums if you haven't already before you start doing more segments.

No I use a Dazzle dvc 100 and Debut to record my videos. (haven't encoded anything yet in Anri-chan so the segments I've uploaded are the raw video files.)

Hm, well since it's a segmented run you shouldn't have issues with dropped frames since the recordings will be so short. I still recommend posting a quality test on SDA before you start doing more segments (preferrably one about a minute or so long to make sure there aren't frame drops).

IMO, you should make sure your computer isn't running any other programs while you're recording segments; that way you will minimize dropped frames as much as possible. Elminster is far more proficient with dazzle recording than me, so you should talk to him if you need further help with maximizing video quality.

if you have a dazzle dont use debut it's shit

use pinnacle dvd recorder, it's on the disc that comes with it

it will record in .vob like a dvd so you'll have to use anri-chan to encode

my comp isnt very powerful yet this program has yet to drop a frame, even with other programs open, for extended periods of time

Yeah um Kaztalek the thing is that I sorta lost the sleeve for my Pinnacle disk so I no longer have the serial number to install it.

Although it might be good to find a alternate way to install it and at least try it.

I'm pretty sure the DVD recorder doesn't require a serial code.

Alright after a bunch of procrastinating I've finally gotten around to getting everything I need to record segments with quality I know will be acceptable. (although don't expect any segments any time soon 'cause I've decided to do another test run through the route.)

Also I've tried HESSing a bit and have decided that I won't use them in this run. (If the controls were better I would but...) tbh I don't think anyone would be sane enough to do a ESS direction change on VC even if doing segmented. (actually I think that route was written up with the N64 version in mind.)

Either way I'll do a few tests and see how everything works out.

*sighs* for some reason Instant DVD recorder won't record any sound. (I even check to see if all my cables are correct and still no sound whatsoever.)

I might talk to Elminster about this problem but other than that idk what I could do.

Either way this means, yet again that my run will be even further delayed unless someone else has a better solution.

I've updated the any% segmented route on ZSR to reflect changes resulting from Grunz's TAS.

Ing the only thing you seem to have changed is skipping adults wallet and only buying 10 chus instead of 20 at the first bomb shop trip.

Also didn't Grunz pick up the Adult wallet and only do 2 bomb shop trips? how would skipping adults wallet reflect on that?

Getting the adult wallet is faster in a TAS because you can just manipulate 99 rupees from the grass outside clock town and get it in first cycle. For a console run, however, it's faster to just skip it (probably only worth it segmented though because of how tight bombs are). Doing 2 bomb shop trips is slower on console because console can't do crazy shit like triple staircase hovers that make normal bomb hovering way faster.

Also, that was not the only change I made - I also added the 2 explosive GBT BK skip and the megahovers to skip the last pirate in Pirate's Fortress. I think I made a couple other minor changes too, but that's the major stuff.

Okay I don't think I'm going to get any segments out for a while, simply because (after a few casual SS runs.) I found out that I have a LOT more to learn about the tricks in this game. (main ones are FFWW with megaflips and the GBT 2 explosive bk skip.)

I'm also going to watch Grunz' TAS several times over to get a idea on how some of the tricks actually work. (I'm also going to practice the tech's extensively.)

idk how long it'll take for me to get a segment out but I do know it won't be anytime soon.

you won't get the proper idea of how they work from the TAS. it is too fast.
use a real-time run.

Are there any real time runs that use the GBT 2 explosive BK skip? If there are than I would gladly watch it but as of right now the only run that I can really use as a guide is the TAS since it uses most of the tricks a seg'd run would. (though the FFWW megaflip method is just because I'm a bit inconsistent with them.)

btw fun fact, in both casual SS runs I've done I've been able to get the Turtle CS skip on both. (The NWBN CS skip I got once but it's still real easy to do.) So I think I won't make the Turtle CS skip it's own segment. (unless making it it's own segment saves time somewhere which I don't see where it could.)

Okay double post but this is kinda important.

I've officially given up on trying to record any speed-runs using my Dazzle. (Wouldn't be a problem if my audio drivers would install correctly...)

So I've decided to save up enough money to just buy a DVD recorder and DVD-RW's for the run... thing is I have no clue what a good DVD recorder is, so if anyone has recommendations I'm open to them.

depends on what is available to you.

I'll most likely buy it online so I don't think availability is a problem.

IDK what the best DVD recorder actually is but the most commonly used one (me, ZFG, Jiano, and a bunch of other people all use it) is this one: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FMagnavox-MWR10D6-DVD-Recorder%2Fdp%2FB000GW81BM&rct=j&q=Magnavox%20MWR10D6&ei=j-YpTob6LLS20AHimMSRCw&usg=AFQjCNEkFdSj5zFlbjOgKXuG5P5Vy6u8gw&sig2=EZ7VguCcKcwH2rrLH_Nmcg&cad=rja

Okay quick update but I now have a way to record segments without a gigantic file size. (Turns out all I needed to do was download Lagarith Lossless codec. *facepalm*) anyways I got segments 1-2 both re-done according to the new route that Ing made. (And yes I'm still mad at you for changing the route Ing.)

Once I get the first two segments encoded and put up onto YT I'll post the links here.

EDIT: Ing, I re-read the route and spotted a mistake
Mind telling me where that extra chu came from?

Fixed. A bomb is supposed to be used.

Update: First three segments are encoded and uploaded, links are in the OP.
Please give me feedback on these segments, it'll be appreciated.

Looking good so far playe. I like that you turned off the system right after playing song of time. I think the current 100% and the former any% run did go through the time-travelling then ran to the owl.

Have you an idea of when this will be finished?

No not atm, the ISGslide in segment 4 is kicking my butt so it may take a while.

About the GBT first time scene skip, it seems to be some work. How much time does it really save?

??? Mind posting a link to a video of this skip? besides if it saved time I'd think it'd be in the route.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1RrLvJ4qsA&feature=related
Go to 56:55 in the video.

Also if you do that remove the SoDT in the swamp.

Yeah uh than most likely I won't use it seeing as how I need it to be night on the first day to do bottle dupe.

It will be because you play the SoDT to skip the cutsecene. So then you don't need to play the SoDT in the swamp. You should still make it to the curiosity shop. It is in Gunz TAS

Alright after watching through segments 1 and 2 I've decided to re-do them. (mainly 'cause anyone could beat segment 1 if they used the flower skip and the fact that segment 2 was real sloppy.)

Also qwerty would you mind telling me how the route would change and if it'd be faster at all? I really doubt it would be but if I'm wrong...

You move the SoDT earlier to skip the cutscene of mikau walking king zora style.

Yeah that isn't going to be faster on console because I need to do Zora pots to refill my rupees which is something I can only do during the day.

Oh yeah you don't have the adults wallet. Now I realize why it wasn't in the route.

Okay major problem... my Wii got bricked so unless my parents're willing to get savemii for me I won't be able to continue this run until I get a N64. (In which case I'll have to restart the whole run because of a version inconsistency ala segment 3.)

*sighs* why must this run have so many setbacks?

and you didn't have a backup? remember to backup your NAND each time you try weird shit.

technically i bricked my wii today when attempting to update it but i restored it thanks to BootMii.

Well I couldn't install BootMii because it wouldn't install on my Wii (It's only about 2 years old and I didn't know about Priiloader.)

Anyways yeah the only hope for my Wii now is SaveMii and idk what kind of brick I have so I'm not sure if SaveMii will actually work. (It's just a black screen when I turn it on, not even the warning thing appears so I'm scared this may be a full brick.)

Yeah, that's a full brick.

Okay bad news time, my Wii is 100% bricked and not even SaveMii can unbrick it (I tried the SaveMiiFrii version btw but from what I know it works more or less the same way that SaveMii does.)

This means that I'll have to re-do the entire run on N64 since that console is the one I'll be getting next (I'll worry about a replacement when I have the money.)

*sighs* time to take down my segments. (Anyone else who wants to do a seg'd run before I can start doing attempts again be my guest, it'll be nice to have a bit of competition.)

Is it a full brick or a banner brick? When you turn it on, does it say that the system files are corrupted or is it just a black screen?
You can try and follow this guide: http://www.wiihacks.com/tutorial-archives/16650-unbrick-your-wii-banner-brick.html
Good luck :)

It's a full brick, nothing comes up when I press the power button.

Okay pretty late update but I won't be getting a N64 quite yet (Earliest I could get it is probably next year.)

Meaning I have to...
A.Get a new Wii (One with GC compatibility.)
And B.Get MM for the VC again. (Last time it was donated to me but I doubt that'll happen twice.)

I'll still do the run though, but segments won't be uploaded for a while because I plan to practice a bit before starting it up again.

Okay I think I've gotten enough practice in to make myself comfortable with restarting the run. (Will do attempts early tomorrow.)

Not really consistent with megaflips though but it's seg'd so I can practice along the way.

btw I talked a bit with Ing and he told me not to bother with flower skip since I'll be doing mask salesman cs skip. (Though if anyone tries the route on N64 don't bother with it, unpause lag wastes too much time from what Ing told me.)

Expect seg 1 in a few days.

EDIT: I'm dumb.

EDIT 2: Alright going to have to delay this even further until I get a DVD recorder. (My Y cable has been screwing up my audio in recordings lately.)

Quadruple post but whatever, turns out my Dazzle's sound drivers mysteriously installed correctly yesterday so now I can start attempts again.

Expect segment 1 in a few days/weeks. (Along with seg 2 and 3, only reason seg 1 will take a bit is 'cause of mask salesman cs skip.)

I expect to see HESSes in this run >:0

yeah even though you're playing on VC, it's segmented and you should be doing a backwalk HESS instead of backwalk superslides like you said you were going to do

Well, I would say don't bother with the HESSes if it wasn't for the fact that N64 adapters exist. GC controller isn't even worth ATTEMPTING to ESS on IMO. My concern is that someone could beat your run by 30-50 seconds just by adding in the HESSes.

Backwalk HESS? I can't even get a standing HESS most of the time, besides if I were to do the backwalk HESS like you said I'd have to pause for a second to do the ESS angle change each time I needed to. imo the backwalking superslides would be more worth it. (Besides I can't get a HESS that consistently.)

Besides I haven't seen anyone else even do any attempts to this category besides Ing and he's running TP, not to mention if I were to try to ESS angle change unbuffered I'd have to reset every time I screw it up. (Which would be about 100% of the time.) so like I said before backwalking superslides would be more worth it on VC imo.

Thing is I don't have the $60+ for the N64 adapter, not to mention I don't own a N64 controller either so even if I did buy the adapter it'd be worthless to me atm.

i hate the zelda community

The HISSes save more time than the pauses take lol

Really? huh then I guess I will be adding the HESS'es into the run. Oh well that just means I'll be resetting more often. (Though it probably won't be as annoying as segment 1 so far, lost a bunch of real good segments to salesman cs skip...)

Okay here's segment 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2K1YjyaCi0 (Note that this is just a place-holder until I can get more segments done, I can always re-do this segment at any time.)

Okay first update in a couple months but I think I'm going to re-do segment 1 just 'cause I honestly can't stand having such a sub-optimal salesman cs skip when I've gotten it much faster in RTA attempts before. (Least amount of early pauses I've ever had was 3-6 so it's kind of embarrassing to have my first segment slower than the beginning of my RTA's.)

Expect the re-done segment sometime later this month.

UPDATE: I (finally) redid segment 2 according to the new route. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etIDpgMqiL4
I'll also be re-doing segment 3 for the new route as well so be on the lookout.

Another segment is done and uploaded: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4vQOLkNhPk
Now that the two easier segments are out of the way I'm onto the first dreaded HESS... this will probably take a while so I might just do segment 1 and get it out of the way. (Not entirely sure on that though but we'll see what happens.)

Segment 1 is now up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CEP8XFI-zg
Now onto segment 4... and the freaking HESS...

So are you actually aiming for sub 1:32:00 or is that just a joke?
cause i watched all your segments you've done so far and with that movement you're not even going to cut the 2 lol.

Yes I'm actually aiming for sub 1:32:00, but what do you mean "With that movement"? Anything specific about my movement I'd need to improve?