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3DS Add on info (May 2011)


Looks like I need to buy some new stuff like a faster PC and/or a HD TV + Capture card.

Ocarina of Time 3DS may be possible to record directly now and other DS classic games too (hello Phantom Hourglass). Pokémon Black & White still has a disadvantage because the DS Phat/Lite models can be 'RNGd to get flawless Pokémon easily without using the C-gear. The DSi/3DS models works a bit different.. and they still haven't figured out the logics on those systems yet :(

Source:
http://www.dshack.org/forum/index.php?/topic/394-3ds-video-capture-is-coming/

can't wait for that.

Top half image: What the add on looks like at the moment

Bottom half image: What it looks like without the add on.

(http://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/file/a2edaTm1KqYRSuWTo1nLdecBL0Q)

He is still trying to implement a feature that enables both (3)DS screens to be displayed on 1 HDTV and figuring a way to enable 3D on 3DTVs.

Edit: Apparently this is a very early version, and it's very hard to install. He is trying to find a easier way to install the add on but it might take a couple of months.

Good news for DS Phat owners!


So what are the benefits of having a DS Phat Capture device?

The ability to play import DS games that has DSi enhanced features
Examples: Pokémon Black and White, Solatorobo

It's a cheaper portable to play DS Classic games with direct recording support.
Prices ranging around £40-60 online

What the DS capture device cannot do:
(Unconfirmed) Seems like the recording can only be done via USB
(Another unconfirmed) It the cables goes through the GBA slot then footage that requires a GBA game to unlock more content isn't possible.
Cannot play 100% DSi only related software (from retail like Face Training to DSiWare like Mighty Flip Champs)

it sounds okay but not very practical if you want the whole DS library + 3DS stuff.

i guess it helps DS runners a lot at least. i'll hold out for the 3DS version.

More info on the DS Capture device

http://www.yamihoshi.nl/files/images/dscapturing.jpg

The capture boards get shipped as a self install kit: The board, a screwdriver, and a USB Cable.
However, you’ll still need to make an extra hole in your DS Phat system.
It’s been hoped to release in 3 weeks, which can be changed on anytime, and it could cost around 40-60 US Dollars, depending on the total costs on the hardware.

now i wish i had a second DSphat.

More images and info.


(http://home.comcast.net/~olimar/usbDS/02.jpg)  
I am still trying to figure out.. I'm guessing it's a DS Lite model because it has way less space than the image below (it's one of the few reasons why the DS Classic Capture device only works on the Phat models)


(http://home.comcast.net/~olimar/usbDS/03.jpg)
The oval hole is originally the wrist strap hole


(http://home.comcast.net/~olimar/usbDS/04.jpg)
This is what the add on will look like upside down without the motherboard, the usb fits into the wider gap (from the 2nd image in this post) that used to be for the wrist strap

(http://home.comcast.net/~olimar/usbDS/05.jpg)
What it looks like without the passthrough add on.

(http://home.comcast.net/~olimar/usbDS/06.jpg)
What it looks like with the passthrough add on, tight fit.

(http://home.comcast.net/~olimar/usbDS/07.jpg)
The actual USB port, requires removing both the wrist strap slot and the stylus slot (so the stored stylus doesn't interfere with the usb passthrough add on.

Unfortunately I can't make any videos yet because:

* My 'old' main pc has a stupid SYSTEM32 error on boot up and I can't figure out a way to boot up in SAFE MODE (tried holding F8 but that didn't work).
* I received a new PC on the same day as my old one got messed up. The problem for the new pc is that it does not have Windows installed yet. I'm planning to get Windows 7 Ultimate from Amazon at roughly £80, way cheaper than getting it installed by the guys/gals at the PC building website (in this case Dinopc.com)
* I'm using my brother's laptop and it can't even open up .exe files -_-

(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/6348/capturedevice.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/684/capturedevice.png/)

how convenient for all the computers to be out of service right now. murphy's law and all heh.

i look forward to the videos done with direct capture.

So my new PC is currently running XP at the moment, I got the internet running and I have done a few tests with the DS Passthrough Capture device.

I'll make some semi-proper videos soon for you viewers to watch.

Edit:
Spirit Tracks Single Player ~80mb
http://www.mediafire.com/?nd5dqr15k78c44b

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMH4J32lNV0

This one was recorded with Xsplit Local Recording followed by a few cuts of 'messed up footage' with Virtualdub.
Not worthy enough as a RAW for SDA but it's good for Youtube uploads at least.

Very nice. Are there still more being sold? If so can you link me to the person selling it?

(http://blog-imgs-49.fc2.com/k/a/t/katsukity/IMGP0830.jpg)

More details: http://katsukity.blog123.fc2.com/

Pokey and Kosmicd12 be prepared for Super Mario 3D Land .... if they are selling/accepting modded 3DS units outside of Japan.

Edit: Loopy, the one responsible for the DS Phat mod back in late 2011 thinks that if this 3DS mod uses the Chameleon board there is a rumor that it can only capture the bottom screen.

There has been a good amount of news in the past few weeks for the 3DS capture device.

The mod will be available at mid June the earliest, but this is an optimistic guess from the creator himself. I would roughly guess late July-August to be available at the latest.

It will be out in 2 different models.

USB only
(http://home.comcast.net/~olimar/3DSCapture/dev/10.jpg)

USB & 2 HDMI slots
(http://home.comcast.net/~olimar/3DSCapture/dev/06.jpg)


There hasn't been a price for either of these mods yet. I paid $50 for the DS Phat USB mod. Good chances these will be much dearer thanks to being a newer portable and much more wider range on playable software (DS, DSiWare, 3DS, 3DSware and VC).

Livestreaming with the DS has been a piece of cake, using Screen Region tool on Xsplit. This one will be no exception. Now if and I do mean if the HDMI can be downscaled through a converter to composite, in theory you can record (3)DS related footage onto the DVD recorder. I find this much more reliable if you are very concerned about frame drops. Then I can use the output from my TV to livestream with EZCap so I can livestream and record serious runs at the same time.

Yamihoshi has a 'work in progress' version where it's only good at taking screenshots. The video transfer is nowhere near as optimised that it will only record 3 frames per second when recording it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt5U4o-0hPE

For anyone who is wondering, it looks like the 3ds capture devise listed before in this thread will be coming soon. According to this source (http://www.yhctr.net/) it is expected to be finished early August. Also supposedly it will cost somewhere around 200 USD, although this price is not official. This thing is looking pretty awesome :D

Also the first batch (that release on early August) will only have a USB Capture support. NO HDMI OUT.

It is unfortunate that the first batch lacks HDMI but on the SDA topic there might be a trade in method (USB only for USB+2x HDMI) once it's available. When I get my hands on one I will make an encoding guide when recording a raw .AVI (not Xsplit). Price point isn't going to be easy, DS phat mod was only $50 + postage. This one is for the newer 3DS and... region lock means another 3DS and another mod if OoT 3D JP becomes just as important as OoT console JP.

Every text box in OoT3D can be skipped, and the text is rather fast anyway. Unless there's a J only trick or use, region lock shouldn't be such a problem for OoT3D.

Curious that it isn't HDMI (yet)

I must say that I am rather disappointed with the price if it will in fact cost 200 USD. I was hoping for 100 USD at the most. I guess that was just wishful thinking though. Also I think Tom is right about text speed. It really shouldn't be a problem, or at least let's hope it's not.

A let's player acquired a 3DS capture card: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shh1tb8kiaw&feature=plcp
It is unknown if the capture card is Loopy's work or someone else's but I don't know anyone else working on one. The capture cards were also supposed to be released on August.
Also: does the HDMI modle produce better quality than the USB model? Probably a dumb question but whatever.

This appears to be Loopy's work.
HDMI does not produce better quality I think. However I know very little about this kind of stuff. To my knowledge it just allows you to connect the 3DS to a television screen or something of the sort.

It is possible to connect the 3DS to a TV with USB only by connecting 3DS capture app abled PC/Laptop to a TV via VGA/HDMI and full screen the app. I did that on my DS phat mod. HDMI could lead to a more stable recording method by using a converter box to downscale HDMI to composite/S-video and connect that to a DVD recorder. Assuming the resolution stays intact and doesn't stretch the screens.

He said he got the card from a friend in the description, that friend being Volvagia, who posted multiple times in the thread. It is in fact Loopy's.

this is slowly starting to sound better and better ;D cant wait for some releases...

Loopy is expecting to receive the important boards on Monday/Tuesday.

This means the time estimate for me to receive my modded 3DS is week commencing August 20th.

I'll live stream some NSMB 2, Super Mario 3D Land and probably OoT 3D, checking out this doomjump fad going on.

25th or 28th/onwards expect something good.

Thanks for the update Greenalink.

First early August, then late August... now it's September -____-
Oh well I suppose I should just be happy that someone's making it :)

You said this was going to be realesed to the public soon...how much will it cost?

About 200$ (180€) (220£)

ahh kk thx and what do you actually get?.....

edit:never mind I think I understand now ;D

There is now an installation guide on the site. This baby is going to be here really soon. Now I just need to figure out how to get the software running on Wine.

The installation guide has been on that site for months.

There are a few reasons why it hasn't been a contact details-esque section on the 3DS capture website:


I also need to mention that the price does not include custom clearance which costed me an extra £35 (~$65).

Oh if delivery doesn't screw up I am getting my modded 3DS tomorrow.

Damn I really wanted this for a long time. I do need to learn more information about this, at least for now.

Noise problem eh? Well that really stinks. I think I'll wait for the better, not so noisy version, as I do need time to raise sufficient funds to purchase this. Any idea how hard this thing's gonna be to install? :P I'd really hate to spend money on something that I could do myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyaTxG3peJs&lc=ONTnQ5bKf3zRmKREZ0Vi_Y3iieUlz6auLo4pMfiRvtU&lch=email&feature=em-comment_received

benstephens1000: The noise problem is only noticeable if you turn the speaker's volume up on a recorded video or if you are on a screen that is silent (like the stage names on NSMB 2).


Oh I've started a discussion whether or not if DS and lower resolution games played on the 3DS should use 1:1 mode (by holding Start+Select during boot up) should be used when recording runs + submitting them to SDA

http://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/ds_retaildsiware_ruling_when_recording_directly_from_a_3ds..html

Think of it as the GB Player rule where you must not use the full screen feature, only this time it's on a 3DS.

GreenaLink I envy you now that you have one :P
I still need to save up some cash to get this so I can't even buy it now, so I'm gonna have to wait for a little bit before I can get it anyways. I'm not even really worried about a sound problem because sound isolators aren't even that expensive. What I don't want to deal with are those bad screws.

So like, what should I get on my computer to go with this? I think I might have enough money to pay for it.

Everything you need should be here: http://www.3dscapture.com/

Ooo. A (3)DS capture device? That's pretty cool. Let's play phantom hourglass and oot3d here i come! :D

Loopy is now taking orders. Just make sure that there will be one left for me alright guys :P

Has loopy looked into installing one of those boards into the new 3DS LL ?

I'm gonna have to say no. I mean he might have tried it out on one, but I'm fairly certain that he hasn't, and has no plans as of now to make a 3ds XL capture devise.

here's the first "run" made with the device.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3hRSOp8fv1gbtpPEcKnICcxOlaHfD8Yw

basically, i just wanted to get the whole game recorded and played only by memory.