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this is something fun that I came up with awhile back and I got some people to play it all the way through.

it's a good way to test your OoT knowledge and skills

basically, escape the forest (the old way, hovering with deku shield + kokiri sword), and immediately make your way to the ToT, do the DoT skip (http://zeldaspeedruns.com/oot/majorsb/DoTskip.php), and become an adult. You should have nothing except kokiri sword, and deku shield. Preferibly 0 rupees. Once you're adult after the cutscene, savewarp back to the other side of the DoT, and then Max% Adult begins.

At first this used to leave you perma-stuck with no way of ever completing the game, but thanks to broken giant's knife clipping, it's possible to go back through the DoT. However for the sake of this challenge, don't ever become child link after becoming adult the 1st time

Your goal is to complete as much of the game as possible. You may seem at a bit of a loss of what to do first, but figuring it out is half the challenge ;)

A couple of interesting things:
- BA is impossible thanks to no possibility of ever getting a bottle
- Adult link cannot push the large blocks in the forest temple, you'll need to find an alternate method
- You can get every medallion except Shadow, and every stone except Sapphire

Item list

C items

deku stick (10)
deku nuts (30)
bombs
bow
fire and ice arrows
slingshot (30)
fairy ocarina
bombchus
longshot
megaton hammer
prescription

Equipment

quiver (50)
bomb bag (20)
golden gauntlets
golden scale
kokiri sword
master sword
giants knife
deku shield
hylian shield
mirror shield
kokiri tunic
goron tunic
zora tunic
kokiri boots
iron boots
hover boots

Quest Status

stone of agony
gerudo card
54 skulltulas
14 3/4 hearts
suns song
song of storms
minuet
bolero
serenade
requiem
nocturne
prelude
light medallion
forest medallion
fire medallion
water medallion
spirit medallion
kokiri emerald
goron ruby

have fun!

This is the best shit in OOT.

Couldn't agree more. A really fun challenge.

IMO max% child is a bit more fun but this is a close 2nd.

BTW edited the item list into cosmos post.

even though this would never be SDA viable i could record a few segments of this... of course i still have that problem of trying DoT skip for a few hours without ever clipping through...

D:<

lolz

I want to try!!!! XD although I would have to record off my TV and I'm not to good at bridge skip :O

Maybe it's up for debate but I would think that Segment 1 would be the 1st seg after the savewarp past the DoT

I might try this sometime and record segments, it looks like TONS of fun

This.

Someone needs to find the best starting route because I have no idea.

No,I don't think so. Escapes and DoT skip can be done but take skill. The faster runner will get a better time. Plus there is no set amount of time that must pass for that child part before we become adult. If we had to wait till "daybreak" and did it asap cuz time passed in the DoT and it was always like that maybe it would be different but technically alot of people have trouble with the DoT skip and forest escapes and I think that it becomes something worth seeing, but also something where not everyone will have the same times.

I always go for Hookshot -> 10 Skulltulas -> Adult Wallet -> Bridge Skip -> Gerudo Fortress -> Carpet chus

I don't really know what the best strategy is (and that takes a while), but that's the only thing I thought of when I started it.  I still haven't done much with max% adult (I think child is too much fun).

Well I was just wondering about the Gold Skulltula route, but I think I have a decent one now.

Just a quick question, is there any reason why we couldnt kill big poes to get a bottle?
After you get bombs and epona I dont see why not

You need a bottle to catch them and take them back to the Poe guy.

oh duh. my bad

This seems like a fun project :P
even tho i never ever ever was able to do the DOT skip :(

would u guys want a save file on mupen and/or pj64 after dot skip? cause i'd have no problem making one

That gives me an idea. Maybe we can put save states on the site available for downloads. What do you guys think? I have tons of Oot save states, and quite a few Majora's Mask ones for PJ64.

Yeah Unreal thats a good idea, we could have a page for it

Maybe the saves should be formatted, as in, All named link or something?

also, it should probably state the items on the state on the page...


JUST IDEAS :D

Shadow Temple Without Lullaby. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqO1DKsvTng)

We can add Shadow Medallion, Light Arrows, and another heart container to the list.

Aw man, my Max %adult is on the n64 :(

Not that I'd ever be able to do that anyways.  It looks waaaay too hard.

hmm, is max% as adult further ahead in items obtanined than max% as child?

jiano would that be quicker for the IL any% for shadow

Most likely. It's too hard to do it from how it looks.

it only depends on whether or not you can clip without hover boots.

It has already been done without hover boots iirc. I think we were also able to do it with no bombs, just 51 chus (:().

Solution: Get the Megaton Hammer, steal the rod, get bottle on B, use IHG to hover, and once you get down to 26 chus use your B bottle.

EDIT: I rearranged the order, in case anyone was about to nitpick.

And what bottle would you be using for B exactly?  :P

this is my next project and a perfect test for the wii64 emulator for my wii. so yeah people take that.

I see no reason why you can't get the bottle from catching Big Poes.

EDIT: I just read the first post and...
I still don't understand what is stopping you from getting that bottle, though.

EDIT2: Nevermind, petrie911 kindly told me that I need a bottle to catch the Big Poes in in the first place. I can't believe I overlooked that; I feel like an idiot.

EDIT3: Holy shit, somebody already asked this very question in this topic. I'm so gud.

I have now very close to get everything what I can get in this challenge and cosmo I have 55 skultulas on my quest status screen. I don't know what you or somebody else have missed. I have got all hearts 14 3/4 hearts but not that shadow temple one yet.

I can make list of skulltulas later if you want. Btw you should update your first post about jiano trick to beat shadow temple :)

I'm working on a speedrun route for this. Here is what I have so far (far from complete):

Segment 0
-   Kokiri Sword
-   Deku Shield
-   Nut Hover esacpe
-   DoT Skip
-   Save

Segment 1
-   To Kakriko Village
-   Get Pocket Egg
-   To Graveyard
-   Hylian Shield from grave
-   Hookshot from Dampe’s grave, get crushed
-   Race again for a Heart Piece (3.25 H)
-   Poe SS warp or poe hover to seam, Shadow early
-   Save

Segment 2
-   Hookshot gap
-   Get Deku Nuts on the way to Hover Boots
-   Kill Dead Hand, get Hover Boots
-   Save

Segment 3
-   Exit Shadow Temple
-   Save (Note, if Segment 1 is too hard, you could put the second Dampe race here)

Segment 4
-   Head to Gerudo Valley
-   Enter Fortress
-   Save

Segment 5
-   Gerudo License
-   Save

Segment 6
-   To Wateland
-   Quicksand backwalk, navigate flags
-   GS in outpost (1 GS)
-   To Desert Colossus
-   To Spirit Temple
-   Save
Segment 7
-   Hover boots silver block skip
-   Hookshot crystal
-   Key from silver rupee room
-   To statue room
-   To child side
-   Hookshot crystal, chu chest (10 chus)
-   Hookshot GS from edge of climbable wall, climb down and grab token (2 GS)
-   Climb up, head to top of child side, chu megaflip to reach GS (3 GS) (9 chus)
-   Go through next room (no need to collect key), nab GS in staircase room (4 GS)
-   Save

Segment 8
-   Exit temple for Requiem
-   Save

Segment 9
-   To Kakriko Village
-   Wake Talon
-   Trade Pocket Cucco for Cojiro
-   To Death Mountain
-   Blow up wall near the bottom, get GS (5 GS)
-   Up to area with bomb flowers, get GS from inside rock with Hookshot (6 GS)
-   Backflip down to top of DC, get HP (3.5 H)
-   Enter DC
-   Save

Segment 10
-   Blow up first wall (8 chus)
-   To room on right, get 2 GS in the room w/o Scarecrow’s Song (7 chus) (8 GS)
-   Exit, head forward and hit the switch (that you’ld GJ to as child)
-   GS in staircase room, exit and re-enter to get the other GS (10 GS) (6 chus)
-   Jump to Bomb Bag (20 bombs) (7 chus)
-   Bomb eyes (18 bombs)
-   Get GS at far end of room on right in skull (11 GS) (17 bombs)
-   Push block onto switch, head to boss chamber
-   Five bomb chest, head down and kill KD for Goron’s Ruby and Heart Container  (4.5 H) (18 bombs)
-   Re-enter DC and save

Segment 11
-   SS to Goron City (17 bombs)
-   Get GS from top platform (12 GS)
-   Drop down to second floor, get Goron Tunic (16 bombs)
-   Lost Woods warp (15 bombs)
-   Get bomb drop from grass (20 bombs)
-   Trade Cojiro for Odd Mushroom
-   To SFM
-   GJ to top of maze, hookshot GS (13 GS) (19 bombs)
-   Learn Minuet of Forest
-   BK skip
-   Kill Phantom Ganon w/ hookshot, get Heart Container (5.5 H)
-   Odd Mush cutscene skip for Forest Medallion
-   Trade Cojiro for Odd Mush again
-   To Kokiri Forest
-   Get GS from house (14 GS)
-   Exit forest through child’s exit for Fairy Ocarina
-   SS to Kakriko Village (18 bombs)
-   Get HP on rooftop (5.75 H)
-   Trade Odd Mushroom for Odd Potion
-   Learn Song of Storms
-   Get HP in windmill (6 H)
-   Save

Segment 12
-   Play Minuet of Forest
-   Enter Forest Temple
-   Save

Segment 13
-   GS on right, small key above (15 GS)
-   GS in torch room, stalfos small key (16 GS)
-   To block room, climb up, and jump down to access courtyard
-   Floor Master small key and 2 GS from courtyard [May need to Megajump back, I don’t know the layout of this room well] (18 GS)
-   Block room w/ 2 GJs and a hover boost (15 bombs)
-   Bow and Quiver
-   Save

Segment 14
-   OoB in torch room
-   Hover to lower section with bombs (4 bombs)
-   Get GS (19 GS)
-   Save


I'm rubbish with GS/HPs, so if there is one I should be getting and don't or one I say to get but you can't, tell me.

(http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/ae296/Samura1man/MaxAdult.jpg)

does max% adult aquaescape with a stick now? i assume you can get deku shield as adult so it doesnt really make a difference anyway.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure since you're supposed to get to Adult with as few items as possible. This also makes getting the Kokiri Sword impossible now.

 So why not aquaescape with the sword? Still only one item.

Regarding that route, do you need the bow for the fire temple? If not, you could go to DMC in segment 11 after getting the goron tunic, get the heart pieces, GS, and end the segment in the Fire temple after getting the first small key. Next segment you could get all the fire GS's, the hammer, and fire medallion, get the bolero, and savewarp. Segment after that, you could play the bolero, get the GS in the boulder room of GC, and go to the lost woods and continue where segment 11 would have been. This saves a trip up death mountain and splits the otherwise longer segment 11 in half.

If you use a chu in Kakariko to get the ReDead grotto's rupees after getting the adult's wallet, then you can buy the Giant's Knife on your first trip through GC, which would save time on bosses.

Well the idea is to basically play the game as if there was no Child sequence. Yes, it's still one item, but you can always get Deku Sticks as an Adult while the Kokiri Sword is unobtainable.

From what I know, that route is old. Since we discovered Jabu Jabu as an Adult and the A-slide trick, the Boomerang, a Heart Container, and many more Gold Skulltulas are possible to get. I actually found out how to open the door on the 1st floor of the Water Temple, enabling you to get all the GS in there. Right now I have 61 GS and 16 Hearts and I don't think I can get more.

I tried hovering all the way across the Ferry gap in the Shadow Temple but the slope at the end makes it almost impossible to proceed. I think I'll give it another go with a superslide at the end or something.

I thought A-slides were TAS-only?

By hovering across the ferry chasm, do you mean using ISG+explosives, or hoverboots?

After seeing that Boss Key skip from the first room of the Shadow Temple, I wouldn't be surprised if it was possible to hover through the loading zone to the Kokiri sword area to make the chest load. Or is the trigger to load the map just not there as an adult?

You can do A-slides with pause buffering. It's just not practical to use them for speed; there's a trick involving A-slides that moves the camera under the ground you're currently on if you pull out a first person item, which lets you do stuff like Hookshot to the Ice Arrow chest without any keys.

I meant ISG + explosives.

It is possible to load the Kokiri Sword area as an adult. The only problem is the Kokiri Sword chest isn't there.

Updated Item List: http://pastebin.com/a7NpfRnt