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this route saves 17 seconds to kakariko without collecting the kokiri sword.
this means that we have 17 seconds to buy the shield and multiple sticks for the mido skip ghoma kill and b1 skip.
i came to the result that it saves 6 seconds against the official any% route.
the route is still improvable, i got bad movement and maybe not the best rupee route.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAzUygvgYJk&feature=youtu.be

collecting the cuccos takes a bit more time without the sword (we usually slash one),
also the video (with sword) of collecting the deku stick before deku tree doesn't look optimal, but maybe i'm wrong

it is still possible to improve the swordless version.
also slashing the cucco does not take 6 seconds we could backup that

I'm guessing you saw this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl782zdRXbk

i never saw that video before. 
i came up with this idea some days ago. made my strats and uploaded it as fast as possible.
i took no fottage of any other video, everything i do in my video was found by myself

OMG he actually came up with the same route......hmmm i think my deku nut strat is still faster....
okay he fuck ed my strat completly ._. two days faster ....gonna kill ma self

I plan on testing / timing this route at some point soon because it might actually save time

Pretty neat idea, regardless of who theorized it first. It looks like any% will have a split route for higher levels players vs lower level players kinda like some other categories, which is interesting.

Mido skip is possible, entire route is possible
you cannot isg the babas outside of deku because you changed PCS default damage into stick type damage so you cannot hurt the babas

the route seems way way harder than current route

I don't really see how the route would be that much harder.

forest1 - easier. awkward movement to and from sword and over the fences has been eliminated.

escape - harder. there are setups for naviless w/ stick because of no WW route, but most are slow. Coming up with an optimal one might only be a matter of time, or you could just move back slightly instead of slashing the wall and hope you don't break your stick as you clip. also, there's always setupless Kappa

river - easier. no more timing based red rupee strat. not that this strat was particularly difficult, but it just got easier. since you can't superswim from the waterfall, you don't have to worry about the WESS to hyrule field anymore.

wess to kak - easier because stick is longer (you have to press stick twice I guess but you can just mash)

cuccos - easier since you can't do the slash at the end, so you have more control.

mido skip - same or harder. i can't really comment on this, but i imagine it's harder since you have to draw the stick before JSing.

deku - can't go for the precise sword strat for vine text skip. the timing for b1 skip might be different, but it should be the same difficulty.

I'm not sure what the deku route is, I would guess that you get a stick from one of the babas on the way to the 1st vine, and maybe nuts as well, or maybe you get nuts after b1 since you already have broken stick out to kill the baba, and collecting the nuts sheathes the stick so you can shield for scrubs. It's hard to say whether deku is harder or easier, but maybe it's just a matter of time to work out new strats and practice them.

gohma - same unless you try to save 1-2 seconds by moving before ISG, but that doesn't seem worth it anymore. If this route is faster, it might be worth omitting that anyway.

ww - i think itsjustindt modified the zas setup so it works with stick.

I have no idea about rupee route at the moment.

my timing gives me -14.9 compared to the normal route right before mido skip, not including kakariko cucco difference (not sure good way of timing this)

will keep investigating tomorrow.

and cosmo you should really use my wrong warp strat, its working and i tested it a million times. i saw that you had some problems in your stream

Hey everyone,

I really like how the any% route is still evolving after all this time.
Normal I just lurk around here but I hope that I can provide something useful today.

After seeing how cosmo struggled a bit with the Deku Stick WW and GCTK24 needed a frame perfect (iirc) backflip to make it work,

I came up with this idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Ofx1FH8AA

It works with the early and late backflip frame, needs no adjustments and can be done with the stick.

Hopefully this helps to improve the runs, sub 18:00 hype, well maybe somtimes...
Crossing fingers that the "deku-stick-route" is worth it.

I'm kinda disappointed that you decided to grab the two extra rupees in the bush Cosmo, instead of the Zora River one and the one in Link's potchamber (or the bug rock, when lucky). Finally using this pot in a run would have been awesome.

What about the JS before Deku cutscene, have you found a reliable setup to get it without breaking the stick?

The rupee route isn't finalized yet.

I'll look into the js later tonight.

I think this saves roughly 8.35 seconds not including cucco time loss, the added difficulty of the escape, the added difficulty of 2-3-1 (using fastest strats), or the added difficulty of optimal gohma fight

have a look and tell me if this is the fastest possible strat

http://youtu.be/fyy1OxNnHPA

http://youtu.be/zqgqRa7pxyc here is another setup I found for wrong warp with deku stick. Very easy inputs, hopefully its useful?

this looks very good.

http://www.twitch.tv/michaelradar/c/3999951

Found another wrong warp setup using just stick. This one is nutless as well which is useful!
 It's VERY consistent for me, and relatively easy.
 Unfortunately my internet cut out while streaming so the clip I have isn't the best.

it's just the usual WW setup then simply jumpslashing down immediately after exiting OI. Then you just slash your stick once near the end of the walk.

I feel the inputs are simple enough  that the video should be enough to explain it though. Hope this is useful!

i have tested some different cucco strats i will upload them later because we lose so much time there....