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« Reply #105 on: January 02, 2012, 08:08:38 PM »

Looking at the BiT section of the site - you can load the Stone of Trials from an existing file in BiT? Does that mean it's possible to access Sky Keep during BiT?

On an unrelated note, I've found that when I'm in BiT and attempt to jump off the ledge to get placed near the Goddess Statue, I often wind up crashing the game. I'm not sure about anything I'm doing differently; in the videos I've seen, no one else seems to have any issues with it.

The game crashes when you activate the stone of trials if I remember correctly. I can't remember exactly what happened.

Also, about the crashing, I have never experienced it myself, but people say that it happens when you press B while falling down there or something. Can't remember for sure.
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« Reply #106 on: January 02, 2012, 08:23:50 PM »

Here is a video of the the Skyview trick I mentioned on page 2 for those who missed it, or simply want to see a video of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtYMdKd4bts

You can read about it here:
http://zeldaspeedruns.com/ss/dungeon/skyview-temple
Not to be rude, but I believe I found that wrong warp first. Anyway, yeah there is a softlock if you press B to get back to the title screen on certain animations like falling off edges and sleeping.
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« Reply #107 on: January 02, 2012, 08:35:20 PM »

Not to be rude, but I believe I found that wrong warp first. Anyway, yeah there is a softlock if you press B to get back to the title screen on certain animations like falling off edges and sleeping.

You found the wrong warp, but if you watch the video, you'll see that I found a way to skip basically everything by reloading the area behind the barred gates.
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« Reply #108 on: January 02, 2012, 08:44:49 PM »

CloudMax, when the site lists the fence hop method for early Lake Floria, you're credited for the trick, but Brickguy is also credited for getting the original fence hop that you expanded to skip directly to the waterfall. This seems like the same situation, but you're the only one credited for this skip on the site.
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« Reply #109 on: January 02, 2012, 09:15:28 PM »

CloudMax, when the site lists the fence hop method for early Lake Floria, you're credited for the trick, but Brickguy is also credited for getting the original fence hop that you expanded to skip directly to the waterfall. This seems like the same situation, but you're the only one credited for this skip on the site.

That was because others didn't get credits for finding the wrong warps either from what I know of anyway.
It is like the regular wrong warps (not using BiT), I do not take credits for finding any of the warps, even though I tested almost all of the OoB warps in the entire game.
It is the same for the early BK in fire sanctuary. The finder of the actually warp didn't get credits, but the person who found a use for it did.
I am not the one who decides if this is the right or wrong way to do it, I just followed that mindset because it seemed logical to me, and because someone else also used it before me.
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« Reply #110 on: January 03, 2012, 01:45:35 AM »

That was because others didn't get credits for finding the wrong warps either from what I know of anyway.
It is like the regular wrong warps (not using BiT), I do not take credits for finding any of the warps, even though I tested almost all of the OoB warps in the entire game.
It is the same for the early BK in fire sanctuary. The finder of the actually warp didn't get credits, but the person who found a use for it did.
I am not the one who decides if this is the right or wrong way to do it, I just followed that mindset because it seemed logical to me, and because someone else also used it before me.
I only put Miles for early BK in the Fire Sanctuary because I didn't know who found the warp. If you know who found them, you should really put something on the page like, "wrong warp discovered by ___", or like I did with the skipping the scrapper escort when I said it was found by Paraxade & Kazooie. I just haven't looked that deeply into the posts to know. So please don't keep with that mindset Cloud. If you know who found the warp, post it on the page(s).
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« Reply #111 on: January 03, 2012, 01:54:41 AM »

Guys, I'm worried about Sailcloth skip. If you skip it, the doors in the academy won't unlock. Wouldn't this affect starting the info about Lavias? That would mean it would only be for harp runs. I'm getting to that part now, but if anyone has a save around there it would be helpful
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« Reply #112 on: January 03, 2012, 02:28:03 AM »

Any type of save file or a BIT version?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/wii/960633-the-legend-of-zelda-skyward-sword/saves

If the doors to the school is locked from the outside then why not use clawshot and enter Zelda's room. Assuming you can still get outside somehow.
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« Reply #113 on: January 03, 2012, 03:25:09 AM »

What i mean is this. When you finish the race and get the Sailcloth, all the internal doors unlock. If you skip all that, the only open doors are the bath, restroom, links room, and the headmaster's room. So that kills the Levias sequence when you need to talk with one of the Instructors. I'm on lvl 5 atm, almost there.
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« Reply #114 on: January 03, 2012, 03:27:35 AM »

Yeah, this whole thing explains why m2k2 stopped putting credit on the pages. It probably works better that way.
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« Reply #115 on: January 03, 2012, 03:53:01 AM »

Abahbob, something to try when you get there:

Place the emerald tablet while back in time. You can do this by going back in time with the file you want to progress, selecting a file that hasn’t placed the tablet, then entering the goddess statue, then selecting a file with at least the goddess sword, then skyward strike the bird thing, and then place the tablet. You will get some cut scenes and it will prompt a save. Make sure the file you’re trying to progress in was selected before this prompt comes up.

You should have warped your file into the cutscene where link puts on his tunic. After the cutscene, you are in the academy in your room. I have no idea if the state of the academy will be of any use, but it’s worth a try.

Oh, had another idea. Since you are saved in the academy, maybe you can BiTWW into other parts of the academy? Also worth a try. Even if something works out, it may really just be faster to get the sailcloth.
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« Reply #116 on: January 03, 2012, 04:40:40 AM »

The only event that affects the academy is the Race. Other events change actors, but nothing else changes the locks.
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« Reply #117 on: January 03, 2012, 05:18:56 AM »

Does clipping through the vines get you inside the school or is it all void?
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« Reply #118 on: January 03, 2012, 10:48:47 AM »

Wait, isn't the lower academy door still unlocked if you skip the sailcloth?
I am almost positive that it still was unlocked for me.

It locks itself during the Fi escort, but doesn't it stay unlocked if you skip the Fi sequence?
And isn't the lower academy door unlocked in the Skyloft Title map? If that's the case, then we won't have any problems either.


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I only put Miles for early BK in the Fire Sanctuary because I didn't know who found the warp. If you know who found them, you should really put something on the page like, "wrong warp discovered by ___", or like I did with the skipping the scrapper escort when I said it was found by Paraxade & Kazooie. I just haven't looked that deeply into the posts to know. So please don't keep with that mindset Cloud. If you know who found the warp, post it on the page(s).
I'll add it in right away. But then I'd appreciate if I and kazooie will get credits for the OoB wrongwarps if they ever become useful aswell, since I spent an entire day testing almost every single one of them. ^^

It was ZFG that found the fire sanctuary warp, at least he was the first person to mention it that I know off, and he posted a video of it.
Glitchesandstuff found the skyview warp.

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This is something I found out while doing some testing with BiTWW and OoB WW today:
Fire Sanctuary is split into 3 sections.

Section 1:
The first room in the dungeon.

Section 2:
The Boss Door Area, including the room to the north west.
All rooms from the mouth up to the boss key.

Section 3:
All other areas in the entire dungeon.
Note that all the bridges is a part of this section.

When you BiTWW in a dungeon, which section you were in before the warp decide which section of the dungeon it loads.

In Fire sanctuary you will load section 3 if you saved at section 3.
If you saved at section 1, you will load section 2.
If you saved at section 2, you will load section 2.

When you BiTWW, the actors in the room will only be loaded if you saved in that room before activating BiTWW.
When you're in a section with missing actors, you have to reload the current room to make them appear. You can do this by exiting and entering it again, or save & quit, then load the file again.

An example of this is when we get BK early in Fire sanctuary. We save in a room in section 1 and BiTWW, so the actors will be missing. then we have to reload the area to make the actors load properly, so that we can continue to the boss key.

We can also skip a few rooms before the mogma mitts in fire sanctuary by doing BiTWW from the statue after the 1st room.

This is the same for all dungeons. I've not documented the sections for any other dungeons yet.
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« Reply #119 on: January 03, 2012, 01:42:34 PM »

He isn’t saying you can’t get into the academy, he’s saying you can’t get into the room of the instructor who teaches you the spiral charge.

Unless some sidequest event unlocks his door (doubtful) the only potential way into his room would be a BiTWW. We might have to get the sailcloth afterall. =/
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