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« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2011, 11:07:31 PM »
Horde Battle 2:02:49

Ghirahim 3 0:51:86

Scaldera 0:20:93

I think my horde battle strategy is solid.

Ghirahim 3, under 50 is possible but you'll have to gamble in phase 3. I'll do that later, really wanted to show the strat on a good run. (on an infuriating note, based on the way he flipped his sword, if I had gambled I would have Won)

Scaldera fight is quite nice, but there's (always) some decimals to be gained there.

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Current PR Table:

Ghirahim 1 09:03
Scaldera 20:93
Moldarach 41:66
Imprisoned 1 1:01:66
Koloktos 1:54:33
Tentalus 1:46:33
Ghirahim 2 17:89
Imprisoned 2 1:18:69
Imprisoned 3 1:01:59
Horde Battle 2:02:49
Ghirahim 3 51:86
Demise 30:79
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« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2011, 10:12:46 PM »
Demise 27:59

You can collect lightning while he's prone. Awesome!

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« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2011, 06:50:51 AM »

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« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2011, 11:34:29 AM »
A Japanese player by the name of sirhu923 has what I believe to be the records for the Horde, Imprisoned 1, and Imprisoned 2:

The Imprisoned 1 in 59:03
The Imprisoned 2 in 1:13:16
The Horde in 2:01:79
[18:38] <Sigless> darkeye is cute too

[18:45] <aleckermit> We get a free pack of cheetos with every vote too :)
[18:46] <bluemarth> in the uk we keep our foreskin

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« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2011, 12:26:28 PM »
Then, I'll get to work on those!!!

Horde shouldn't be too tough, I compared my run with his, I was about 7 seconds ahead after the 3 moblins, before my run got semi-ugly. He fought Imprisoned 1&2 differently than I did, so I guess I'll see on those ones. I'm not immediately sold on two Groosenator shots in fight no.2, but I'll mess around with it. Toes first on no. 1 is a surprisingly good idea though.

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« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2011, 09:40:09 PM »
Horde Battle 1:23:93

Someone on youtube tipped me off that you can jump over the barrier in Horde Battle where 3 moblins spawn. Well, I did him one better and jumped off the edge (you land right by the Stalfos). The run is obviously not perfect, but when you're ignoring hundreds of very pissed off bokoblins, you take what you can get.

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« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2011, 08:13:42 PM »
Jackimus, how the hell do you hit Scaldera's eye without stunning him with bombs? I can do it but it just doesn't work half the time and I cannot figure out why. I need to figure out a strat for my test run.

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« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2011, 09:04:28 PM »
Already you need to stand at a fairly specific angle and time the overhead swing just so- in terms of distance and as he comes down for the chomp. It also might not work without the Master Sword, the much shorter Goddess blade may not reach. Try jump-attacks? overhand spin attack? Also, I'm 99% positive the eye doesn't exist until you've fed him at least one bomb.

Also,

Ghirahim (3) 44:89

Really happy with this one, although I missed a jump at the way beginning of the fight.

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« Reply #48 on: December 19, 2011, 09:09:57 PM »
It works fine with the goddess sword, you can use a skyward strike instead of a direct sword hit. it just plain doesn't hit half the time :/ It hits the rock and breaks without hitting him, even if it hits right on the eye. It's really confusing.

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« Reply #49 on: December 19, 2011, 09:24:38 PM »
hmm, maybe the skyward strike has a tighter window of availability that flat out swinging the sword? I'm not sure what to tell you honestly, outside of it being an admittedly tough move to pull off consistently. My boy's just about at that guy on his save file, I can try messing around with it there and see if I can find any timing trick or something to help you nail it with more frequency. Obviously, it doesn't help matters that him dousing his flames seems to happen at a randomly determined interval.

Oh, speaking of that, since I forgot to mention it last post, that may be it. You can't strike the eye while he's on fire. I hope the solution to your difficulty is this simple.

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« Reply #50 on: December 19, 2011, 09:27:44 PM »
It's not, I noticed already you can't hit the eye when its on fire.

I did figure out a couple things... namely, skyward strikes seem to do way more damage than normal goddess sword swings. also, you can drop a bomb in front of him so the skyward strike hits the bomb before it hits him which stuns him again and makes him immediately try to suck on another bomb... seems like it might be helpful for the second phase

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« Reply #51 on: December 19, 2011, 11:24:33 PM »
strikes doing more makes sense since you start with full strike in hero mode.

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« Reply #52 on: December 20, 2011, 12:52:06 AM »
Jackimus, I worked it out and finished the scaldera segment, so don't worry about it.

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« Reply #53 on: December 20, 2011, 08:18:35 AM »
Oh yeah, can't believe I haven't linked this...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/960633-the-legend-of-zelda-skyward-sword/61263712

(enemy HP table and damage values)

There are some mild inaccuracies, but for the most part it's quite solid. Helpful for planning attack combos and such, I know I made use of this in several fights (in others though, number of hits is what matters, not damage so this is useless).

For example, you can see that in Hero Mode a skyward strike will do as much damage to Scaldera as attack to spin. I know you have a reasonable amount of time to get some hits in, so you probably should be able to charge skyward strikes and use those while he's stunned too. I can't confirm anything with the skyward spin, but if that gets a damage boost too, you can (in theory) kill him almost as fast as you could in the boss rush.

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« Reply #54 on: December 20, 2011, 09:19:22 AM »
So according to this :

Moldarach (Fight #1, Head): 16 HP
Goddess Sword (Skyward Strike, Hero Mode): 16 damage

You could insta kill moldarach's eye with a skyward strike ?

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« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2011, 09:33:44 AM »
I'm pretty sure Moldarach always takes the same number of hits regardless of the sword you're using so he's probably wrong there. can't be 100% for sure though

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« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2011, 09:34:21 AM »
That's one of the inaccuracies, moldarach is hits, and not damage (5,7, and 4, every time). I COULD BE WRONG I GUESS, if they gave him different rules in the storyline fights, but it's definitely hits in the time trials, try using spins on his claws and you'll see what I mean.

Also something is seriously messed with the HP values that guy gave to Koloktos, because the Master sword absolutely does not do as much damage as a Koloktos great sword (bombs do however, though I have not made use of this in a useful fashion to date). Phase 1 number is also seemingly way off.

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« Reply #57 on: December 21, 2011, 08:32:29 AM »
Imprisoned (2) 1:08:89

This is another good strat, which is probably ideal for a full run, since it skips him grabbing the ledge (cutscene) and the 1st dialog with Groose is shorter as well. Though, I imagine the timing in phase 1 will be much trickier without the clock on-screen. (Jump right after 23 secs, swing first time right after 25 secs).

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« Reply #58 on: December 27, 2011, 12:53:36 AM »
Random observation: Only .x3, .x6 and .x9 seem to be possible decimals.

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« Reply #59 on: December 27, 2011, 08:26:49 AM »
Here is Ghirahim 1 in 8.39 by Miles
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdlzsBbDbCY
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« Reply #60 on: December 27, 2011, 09:32:04 PM »
I improved a couple things while visiting my sisters (they wanted me to show off), no vids though, I need to re-improve all these ones anyway:

Ghirahim (2) 17:16 (still not best strat!)
Imprisoned (1) 1:00:39
Demise 27:49

I wouldn't bother with these for the rankings you guys keep on this site, just consider (the first one anyway) the new time to beat.

With regards to Ghirahim (1), sub 8 should be feasable, in the video above, the attacks used in phase 2 weren't optimal (too many spins!), also in another mid decimal 8 run (by Sirhu) more time can be saved by jumping/running towards him right before the mid battle cutscene.

I also want to improve my Horde Battle, it looks kind of atrocious in hindsight.

Won't have a chance to until the new year though, my sisters begged to borrow my game for awhile. Gives all you guys a chance to catch up a bit!

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« Reply #61 on: December 28, 2011, 02:17:03 AM »
I've been trying something completely ridiculous with Imprisoned 1. I think it MIGHT be doable, and it would save a bit, but my skills can't compete with the times you guys get. Thus, even if I managed, I couldn't really tell if it was faster

The thing I've tried is that after the second set of hits, you jump back to the center of the Sealed Grounds, and use the middle hole to fly all the way up to the air, (With that steamhole, you can then steer your falling) and try to fall on the head of the Imprisoned just at the cutscene where the sealing spike rises up from his head again.

The issue is that it would require timing and your placing before the cutscene to be nigh perfect. So far I've alway just missed the head, and I'm not even sure if the game allows this. An alternative is to fall around the area you would normally run to, and jump from there at a decent timing.

If it would allow it, you ould basically get to start right beside the sealing spike, and then hit it down thrice, saving a seond or two.

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« Reply #62 on: December 28, 2011, 09:11:15 AM »
Just for the record, Moldarach takes exactly the same number of hits in LMF as in boss rush.

edit: The Imprisoned 1 - 0:55.59
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« Reply #63 on: January 08, 2012, 01:16:52 AM »
Faron Silent Realm 2:01.26 lost like 0.75 this is getting pretty close.

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« Reply #64 on: January 09, 2012, 03:25:12 PM »
There is another strategy to beat imprisioned(1), which involves using the central jet stream to land directly on him between phases. Its not any faster but looks cooler IMO.
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« Reply #65 on: January 15, 2012, 08:58:23 PM »
During the Imprisoned(2) if you choose to go for feet then you can leave his back heel for last, strike it twice to weaken it, then when you are sufficiently behind him finish the heel off with an arrow and when he falls down his head will be by you, skipping having to otherwise run around his body.

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« Reply #66 on: January 16, 2012, 07:44:44 AM »
During the Imprisoned(2) if you choose to go for feet then you can leave his back heel for last, strike it twice to weaken it, then when you are sufficiently behind him finish the heel off with an arrow and when he falls down his head will be by you, skipping having to otherwise run around his body.

You can actually outright kill each toe with a single charged shot from an arrow. There's possibly a faster strat in there than the one I used for 1:08, can't really test it now, my game is still out on a loaner. My thoughts regarding this are, phase 1- as is (deliberately slow, skipping ledge grab), but try and be thrown off to the front of him (rare), phase 2- use nunchuk c charged arrows to kill all the front toes, run between his legs to the rear, use arrows to kill final toes; phase 3- Groose shenanigans. Actually, the way the outlined method is playing inside my head at this moment might push sub 1 minute depending on how everything lines up position wise in phase 3. Won't be faster outside of the boss rush, since you'll have an extra cutscene when he falls from lack of feet, and a longer one after phase 2 as he gets up and prepares to slither for awhile.

I'm also now thinking Imp3 might be faster with arrows in phase 1, mainly since you'd be in better position to run for the spike in phase 2, this also needs testing I can't do right now, and also won't be faster in a full run due to extra cutscene of him falling/longer one where he has to get up before starting to fly.

Also recently had an idea with Koloktos where (in phase 2) on the final hit of a greatsword combo you also detonate a bomb which, if both the last hit and the damage from the bomb can both count, is enough to skip the last repeat of the motions (since you only need one greatsword hit the final time for the kill (3-3-1)).

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« Reply #67 on: January 16, 2012, 09:27:33 AM »
Ghirahim(1) - 8.29

My best first phase is 3.23, gotten sub 3.30 several times. Miles have better last hit, I have never successed do it that fastly unfortunately, otherwise I might be able to get sub 8 seconds  ;)

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« Reply #68 on: January 16, 2012, 09:27:44 AM »
On Imprisoned 3, after you hit him with the groosenator in the second cycle the cutscene warps you so your position doesn't matter.

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« Reply #69 on: January 16, 2012, 09:47:09 AM »
On Imprisoned 3, after you hit him with the groosenator in the second cycle the cutscene warps you so your position doesn't matter.

Right.

Alternate idea: use the large geyser in phase 2, possibly preserving the unused bomb for phase 3.


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« Reply #70 on: January 16, 2012, 11:15:14 AM »
Pretty sure Groose never has a bomb in cycle 3 whether you use the cycle 2 one or not. Imprisoned 3 is a pretty heavily scripted fight. :/

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« Reply #71 on: January 18, 2012, 08:35:55 PM »
Finally got my game back...

Some new ones:

Ghirahim (1) 8:06 (gunning for under 8, I've already ruined a few sub 8 pace runs. was 3:33 at cutscene here, I have had 3:16 a few times. Also, accidental vertical spin.)
Ghirahim (2) 16:43 (too much luck involved, but 13:xx is possible)
Imprisoned (3) 59:39 (used para's new strat. Sucked balls at the spikes but ehh new best)

All 3 are improvable, so no vids for now. I have 8:06 on video, if I eventually fail and subsequently give up at 7:xx I'll upload that.

EDIT:  Link to 8:06. My first combo in phase two was awful, and phase 1 was 2 time units off my consistent best. 7:7x sounds reasonable for a max on this guy.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2012, 12:12:44 PM by Jackimus »

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« Reply #72 on: January 18, 2012, 10:57:31 PM »
^ Just so you know, I have 57.09 imprisoned 3. I think I have lower as well (55?) but that's the only time I know for sure I got... I'll check my save and see if I bothered saving any times :P

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« Reply #73 on: January 20, 2012, 07:46:06 PM »
Ghirahim (2) 14:06

Nearly perfect fight.

Yeah para, if you happen to know what the time to beat on imprisoned 3 is that'd be great for when I attempt him seriously.

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« Reply #74 on: January 21, 2012, 12:21:11 AM »
Yeah, I checked and I don't have it saved. My apologies :/

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« Reply #75 on: January 21, 2012, 10:12:06 AM »
Your a fighting master Jackimus, and you should invest in better recording equipment so the the video quality is on level with play quality.

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« Reply #76 on: January 21, 2012, 06:10:11 PM »
Demise 24:56 (new strat)

Working on a video, my current best is a tad slow compared to what should be feasable, high 22:xx I am thinking. Phase 2 has a slight tweak, and phase 1 is completely brand new (it's an endless combo good for low decimal 8 secs). Stay tuned....!

EDIT: This strategy is larger bullshit than I initially figured, at least when trying to rush it. I have a crappy 25:13 run on video where I deliberately was careful about what I did if anyone needs to see this new strat immediately. I've almost entirely given up on 22:xx (although it is very possible), so once I get 23:something I'll upload for sure, probably going to be a few days.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2012, 11:00:33 PM by Jackimus »

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« Reply #77 on: January 22, 2012, 07:02:15 PM »
Demise 24:46

I stand by my initial estimate of high 22:xx being possible, but the phase 1 needed for it is ridiculous. Even "taking my time to do it right" in the above video is kind of, well tough. Nearly every attack has to be in a specific direction, and throwing in 4 instances of attack -> spin is simply hell, I can't even complete this faster phase 1, at least not yet. Lost a bit of time early phase 2, being a bit late starting the combo (tough to time). Until someone crazy beats this time, I'm happy for now.

EDIT: Occured to me that I should elaborate a bit on phase 2 as well. The attack where he shoots the wave of lightning at you likely runs on a timer of some sort (5-ish seconds from the looks of things), if he's not in the middle of another attack he'll do it immediately. Luckily, his vulnerability period starts at this time whether or not he actually is doing that one attack, so that's how I was able to start the 9 hit combo from a standard vertical swipe of his.
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« Reply #79 on: January 24, 2012, 11:56:38 AM »
Imprisoned (2) 1:04:43
Imprisoned (3) 0:56:93
Horde Battle 1:21:59

No vids due to camera faggotry. Horde Battle is not great yet anyway though.