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Re: OoT / MQ Trick Research & Discovery Thread
« Reply #960 on: March 14, 2015, 11:07:13 AM »

Aw, had my hopes up... thanks for quick reply though :)
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Re: OoT / MQ Trick Research & Discovery Thread
« Reply #961 on: April 03, 2015, 10:15:50 PM »

So in ganondorf transforming into Gannon cutscene, when superaliding I found that it is possible to save a pause. Please look at the ending of my latest run. I am really not advertising myself I just really want to make some dedication to my fav game. So I held r during most of the cutscene, then I let go almost a sec after navi was done talking to me. 4 seconds is a lot.
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Re: OoT / MQ Trick Research & Discovery Thread
« Reply #962 on: April 04, 2015, 03:31:59 AM »

I'm confused, how does this save a pause?
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Re: OoT / MQ Trick Research & Discovery Thread
« Reply #963 on: April 09, 2015, 07:36:17 PM »

Some new and easy setups for existing tricks I've discovered:

- Different spot to cross the Haunted Wasteland quicksand using backwalks, as child or adult, without Hovers or Longshot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn_C8BoZi8c

- Crossing the Haunted Wasteland without Lens, while backwalking, without using the map or the color of the sand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNlUGceMyHk

- Blowing up the bird statue at the end of the Shadow Temple with a chu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmNeXbINSWk
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Re: OoT / MQ Trick Research & Discovery Thread
« Reply #964 on: April 11, 2015, 08:40:59 PM »

Doesn't it save the pause to have to re-equip the master sword. So this way it is already equiped. When I paused out of habit the pause screen was a bit weird though.
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Re: OoT / MQ Trick Research & Discovery Thread
« Reply #965 on: May 28, 2015, 05:57:49 PM »

Some notes on how zoning out works in Ocarina of Time

At 8011B934 (8011A5D0 + 0x1364) there is a signed 32bit variable that denotes the type of zone out that occurred. Here are a few values I've found so far:

-3Warp SongResets Temp Flags. Uses Respawn type 2's entrance index for loading the next entrance
-2?Preserves Temp Flags. Set when entering a loading zone in tower collapse/playing the sun's song/game over and continuing
-1?Preserves Temp Flags. Warps you back to your last entrance index
0Standard ExitResets Temp Flags
1Standard Out of BoundsReverts to last checkpoint. Preserves Temp Flags. This is the zoneout that occurs with tower collapse void warp
2Grotto ReturnTemp Flags reset
3Return to Farore's WindTemp Flags restored from Farore's Wind data

Values greater than 0 are interesting because they each have their own set of return coordinates when the game reloads.

I now have an educated on how void warp works in tower collapse as well. Void warp works by "touching" an exit on the same frame as you "void out" by falling 300 or 400 units (forget which). What i think happens next is that the game processes the routine for touching the exit first, which causes the next entrance index variable to be changed,  and zoneout type to be set to -2. Then, when the void out is processed, the zoneout type is changed to 1, overriding the normal coordinates for the entrance. One small gap in this theory is that I don't know why the entrance index doesn't change as well.

Edit: someone messed around with zone outs and it helped me re-discover a thing Acryte found. Basically, when you play a warp song, it overwrites zoneout 2's entrance index, rather than writing directly into the next entrance index variable. This means that if you were to play a warp song and wrong warp into a grotto, leaving it would put you somewhere in the scene you'd warp to. You would have to set things up first by entering a grotto though because by default Link's spawn parameter will be set to 0, causing him to be completely invisible and uncontrollable.
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Re: OoT / MQ Trick Research & Discovery Thread
« Reply #966 on: July 08, 2015, 08:10:46 PM »

Finally figured out how the Chamber of Sages works:

You're simply sent to scene setup 0, where the 5 sages you rescue when completing a dungeon are loaded. Address 8011B9E5 (NTSC 1.0) is set beforehand to values 0-4, which determines the sage that appears. Wrong Warping doesn't occur because you're not going into a proper cutscene setup.

Values:

0 = Saria
1 = Darunia
2 = Ruto
3 = Nabooru
4 = Impa
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Re: OoT / MQ Trick Research & Discovery Thread
« Reply #967 on: August 03, 2015, 10:22:40 AM »

Found this today

https://youtu.be/mVMUYqu5gRM

I haven't seen this used in runs before? A tiny timesaver when transitioning between catching a GS and warping/sun song as Child. Haven't explored this too much beyond trying FW, which only queues the input so it would only save frames, but I don't see why not to go for it during a 100% run or something. If this has already been discovered is there a reason not to try go for it or w/e?


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Re: OoT / MQ Trick Research & Discovery Thread
« Reply #968 on: August 06, 2015, 03:08:44 PM »

People do that for skulltula duping with warp songs or suns song

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Re: OoT / MQ Trick Research & Discovery Thread
« Reply #969 on: September 20, 2015, 03:57:31 AM »

I got Fire arrows as child https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmNyuy4fGxM&feature=youtu.be&a

Also almost found a way to FW dive in GC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QswT6XThPQA&feature=youtu.be&a that could lead to all dungeon no door apparently
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« Reply #970 on: October 06, 2015, 06:24:59 PM »

I just got into speed running (very minor glitches at the moment) and I am very interested in the glitch that Jodenstone showed off at SGDQ2015 with the deku nut.  I would like to know a lot more about how the glitch worked and if it can be applied somewhere else to potentially get a bottle with bugs (or fish) already in it instead of having to make a trip out of the tree to get a bug.
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Re: OoT / MQ Trick Research & Discovery Thread
« Reply #971 on: October 08, 2015, 05:35:36 AM »

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iC55h-oy3NAIW739yNQ8Cg9QNpDGTyVRys_NLHpnG_o/edit#gid=0 Here is the gdoc about GIM. The col "chest to hump" and "get item" are the most important and tell you what you can get depending on the chest you humped, for example if you want Ice Arrow you need to touch a chest with 20 bombchus inside (of course there is only one chest with 20 chus in the game and there is no water around so... heh)
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Re: OoT / MQ Trick Research & Discovery Thread
« Reply #972 on: October 23, 2015, 08:38:20 PM »

Here is a new method for obtaining bottom of the well bombchus early using an ocarina dive out of a hover:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPZctq_hMEk

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« Reply #973 on: October 24, 2015, 08:47:22 AM »

Hey guys. I may have found something when I was messing around one day that could be useful for max% child and probably works on OoT3D since it doesn't rely on ISG. I found a real-time setup for megaflipping over the rocks in front of the Fire Temple from the DMC Heart Piece as child. It may allow for new routing possibilities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuSrYCt4JB4
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Re: OoT / MQ Trick Research & Discovery Thread
« Reply #974 on: November 27, 2015, 07:37:27 AM »

RTA setup for timerless deku to shadow void warp:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ3e2SjQV3s
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Re: OoT / MQ Trick Research & Discovery Thread
« Reply #975 on: December 02, 2015, 11:25:06 PM »

Really obscure bug time:

This is something I've known for quite some time, but have only recently understood some of the implications of it.

At address 8000 0000, there is a short routine that is used to jump to an exception handler. I don't know if the exception handler is ever called, but from what was explained to me it is jumped to whenever a bad 32 bit address is hit, and that potentially this could be hit if an issue came up when rendering graphics.

Now, when spawning into pre-rendered scenes, the game will sometimes? overwrite the data at 8000 0000 in at least NTSC 1.0 and NTSC 1.2, ruining the code that jumps to the game's exception handler. However, from some limited testing on Master Quest PAL, I've noticed that this address doesn't seem to be written to anymore.

This has got me wondering, because potentially there could be a non-fatal exception thrown that forces the game to execute code at 8000 0000, but crash due to the corrupt code.
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« Reply #976 on: December 03, 2015, 01:27:49 PM »

Nice one Chain
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Re: OoT / MQ Trick Research & Discovery Thread
« Reply #977 on: July 06, 2016, 10:54:11 AM »

Hi

I found this trick few minutes ago
Weirdshot to DMC from Goron City
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W2PREMTsVA
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Re: OoT / MQ Trick Research & Discovery Thread
« Reply #978 on: July 18, 2016, 04:18:06 PM »

Just found a Farore's Wind Wrong Warp to Silver Gauntlet Cutscene! Warp to Lake Hylia using Serenade of Water, set warp point. Dodongo's cavern blue warp. Oddities: Invisible Link, Targets 0, 0, 0. Note: Also works with Deku Tree warp, Softlocks with Fire Temple Warp.
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« Reply #979 on: July 20, 2016, 12:19:12 AM »

Of course it crashes with Fire Temple Warp, there is no scene setup to warp to
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« Reply #980 on: July 20, 2016, 08:51:10 AM »

Sorry MZX, I still don't know more about wrong warping than trying every single entrance point with fire temple and DC/DT. Also found a credits warp from inside of the Redead grave. Works with all three except for Fire Temple, instead of taking you to the credits it takes you to the map instead.
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« Reply #981 on: July 23, 2016, 09:25:46 PM »

A rudimentary way to determine where a wrong warp will take you:

Start with the entrance table (found here). Understand that Jabu Jabu/Horse Minigames are cutscene 0, Deku Tree/DC blue warps are cutscene 1, Fire Temple is cutscene 3. Now, when you wrong warp, you take your starting entrance, add +4, then add the cutscene number to get your destination. So the grave with the redead gives you a base entrance index of 0x031C. DT/DC wrong warp will give you an end entrance of 0x0321, while Fire Temple will give you an end address of 0x0323. Both take you to the Temple of Time "Standing facing away from SoT spot" entrance (for space reasons, 0x0320 is the only value listed, since it made sense to me).

Next is the Warp Results by Scene page. When you wrong warp, you're setting a variable that triggers a cutscene that should be defined in the destination scene. This page tells you whether or not your destination scene does so, and for the ones that do define cutscenes, what the end result will be. As this table shows, any wrong warp from DT/DC into the Temple of Time will always trigger the credits cutscene segment in the Temple of Time, while any wrong warp into the Temple of Time will trigger the Door of Time opening cutscene.
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« Reply #982 on: July 24, 2016, 11:23:24 AM »

A rudimentary way to determine where a wrong warp will take you:

Start with the entrance table (found here). Understand that Jabu Jabu/Horse Minigames are cutscene 0, Deku Tree/DC blue warps are cutscene 1, Fire Temple is cutscene 3. Now, when you wrong warp, you take your starting entrance, add +4, then add the cutscene number to get your destination. So the grave with the redead gives you a base entrance index of 0x031C. DT/DC wrong warp will give you an end entrance of 0x0321, while Fire Temple will give you an end address of 0x0323. Both take you to the Temple of Time "Standing facing away from SoT spot" entrance (for space reasons, 0x0320 is the only value listed, since it made sense to me).

Next is the Warp Results by Scene page. When you wrong warp, you're setting a variable that triggers a cutscene that should be defined in the destination scene. This page tells you whether or not your destination scene does so, and for the ones that do define cutscenes, what the end result will be. As this table shows, any wrong warp from DT/DC into the Temple of Time will always trigger the credits cutscene segment in the Temple of Time, while any wrong warp into the Temple of Time will trigger the Door of Time opening cutscene.
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