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Offline Squirelofjustice

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Iirc Gaby, someone a while back said something about being able to get bombs or something first cycle. Definitely something to look into.

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It's simple, the Bomb Shop owner allows you to buy them as Deku. You cannot buy anything from the Trading Post, so you'll need the Deku Nut from the chest before the Termina portal in order to use bombs. Swapping with a blank button (I/X/Y/II) cannot work before unlocking nuts due to B being faded when in the air otherwise.
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Ohh, so you do need to get nuts, i was just trying in my normal file, i only had deku on 2 and bombs on X, nothing else, went into the flower flew out and when i swapped with empty Y it made it visible, didnt know is cuz nuts were on B xD
I've been trying out, long jumps, bomb recoils and stuff with Deku in ECT and SCT, no luck in any yet :\

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I skipped the elegy puzzle in stone tower: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn0PixMOKKQ

This was the final piece of the puzzle for skipping elegy and mirror shield in any% thanks to gymnast for finding a way to skip the mirror shield in the mirror room: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYXbnjpya0s

This allows us to do a transition warp with gibdo mask BA in order to get to stone tower temple early and skip the entirety of stone tower!
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Offline Sebastian9kplus

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Wow! Loving the new RI method, I've tried it three times and succeeded three times; so easy to just hit L + the item. Easiest and fastest way to become FD Link anywhere :P

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Welp apparently we still need a way to clip into the milk bar... evrybody, please find a way to do this!!
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Offline Sebastian9kplus

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lol I was playing by the pond in Clock Town wearing the Fierce Deity Mask, and I noticed he is tall enough to reach to jump up on the wall to the left of where you enter. You can then walk on the wall until you're above the door to where Kafei is hiding, where I jumped out of bounds and reached the loading zone with a jump slash. I didn't do any of that sidequest and this was on the night of the final day, and the Curiosity Shop guy was there and gave me the letter to Kafei's mother.

This probably has basically no use at all, just thought I should mention it anyway! Oh, and perhaps it's possible to reach up and grab that wall with a Zora gainer? I can't do it, I suck at it.

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This probably has basically no use at all, just thought I should mention it anyway! Oh, and perhaps it's possible to reach up and grab that wall with a Zora gainer? I can't do it, I suck at it.

You can do it with just a Zora sidehop: http://youtu.be/1Dww8bA91cw
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Would you mind explaining what the final page means?

The Wrong Warp (All) tab lists a subset of all theoretical wrong warps possible in Majora's Mask 3D. The full list of theoretical wrong warps isn't there because it would be over 50k records

With OoT/MM wrong warps, the two primary components are an entrance index and a scene setup number, so normally you'd need both. However in MM the entrance index is a composite of three variables:

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(index & 0xF800) >> 9 = External Scene
(index & 0x01F0) >> 5 = Spawn Number
(index & 0x000F)      = Unused? component, but functionally equivalent to factoring in the scene setup number

So the entrance index and scene setup components are combined together. I also dropped entrances that don't normally exist.

Edit: I also should point out that if new revisions are released, it could change the available wrong warps
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You can do it with just a Zora sidehop: http://youtu.be/1Dww8bA91cw
Cool! Thanks. Easy way to get both Postman Hat and that bottle without having to redo the sidequest.

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Welp apparently we still need a way to clip into the milk bar... evrybody, please find a way to do this!!
I was able to ledge clip between the Milk Bar and the one side. But fell down. Gonna keep trying til I stand on the ground.

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In the search for milk bar clip, keep in my that this will be after doing some BA for 4th day so we can technically have fierce diety or rock sirloin to help us clip, even though I'm doubtful that either could help.
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We also have access to a cucco from the Bombers' test, however that may help.

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Thing with that is, Grezzo moved the Cucco Bombers kid, he's in a different part of the Town now and hides under a box...
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Hmm, maybe there is collision behind the sign. Time a bomb and ledge clip maybe? http://i.imgur.com/KShVxx3.jpg

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I tried the clip all day with FD and a bomb, and i didn't touch the loading zone for like frames ;( neither a jump slash can't make it

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Thing with that is, Grezzo moved the Cucco Bombers kid, he's in a different part of the Town now and hides under a box...
The sad thing is I've already done the test to see the changes and should have known. I've made several trips to WCT for the bank when it's not there anymore; aspects of the original are still ingrained in me.

Instead of finding a way to get inside, maybe find a way to not get kicked out? Pausing is the original's method. You're allowed inside until 9pm.

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I skipped the elegy puzzle in stone tower: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn0PixMOKKQ

This was the final piece of the puzzle for skipping elegy and mirror shield in any% thanks to gymnast for finding a way to skip the mirror shield in the mirror room: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYXbnjpya0s

This allows us to do a transition warp with gibdo mask BA in order to get to stone tower temple early and skip the entirety of stone tower!
Nice.
That room is quite a bit different in 3D. Always a disadvantge not having the actual game yet. :D

With that high block you might even be able to backflip on that upside down chest as zora and get oob that way. Worth a try, I'd say.

Welp apparently we still need a way to clip into the milk bar... evrybody, please find a way to do this!!
So I guess there is no way to get there before 9? And getting the mask would take a lot of time...

Regarding the ideas that have been thrown around so far: There is no oob floor there and the sign has a solid back wall.

I don't see a way to clip, unless slope clip is still a thing, which I kinda doubt.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2015, 01:03:07 AM by Slowking »
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Heart piece duplication!! You need 5th Day to do this:

1. Save at Mountain Village with Gibdo Mask slot changed to a bottle.
2. Quit the game, get a stopwatch.
3. Start a timer when you open the game.
4. When timer reaches 1:25, catch HSW.
5. Inverted Song of Time quickly. If purple banner says 2nd/Final Day, start over.*
6. Soar to town.
7. Speak to the carpenter carrying wood.
8. Carpenter will stay in place. Put on Postman's hat and check mailbox.
9. You'll move around with the text. Hookshot the 20 Rupee chest.
10. Face the camera to the mailbox and open the chest.
11. Gold Rupee will appear on Link but you'll get a heart piece and another.
12. Do not check the mailbox. Go back in time.
13. Repeat all steps. You get two pieces each time.



Notes:
The carpenter will either have to be close enough to the mailbox, or to have the camera facing him when you check.
Tapping buttons will not work when you move around with text, so only B/X/Y can be used.
*If you take Ocarina out fast enough to not see purple banner, you'll be on 0th Day so advance to midnight before soaring out to take you to dawn of 5th Day.
Google docs for 5th Day stuff can be viewed here.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2015, 10:13:48 AM by Jeville »

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Pretty sure this is kinda useless but while Practicing Music house clip i kinda got distracted and i was wondering if i could get on top of the House using LongJump.

While i soon found out that there is a Barrier around the top of the House, i kept trying every corner....well this happened.
I'm pretty sure this was found earlier but i was surprised when it happened, but also i'm pretty sure it's kinda useless here.

http://www.twitch.tv/letsremax/c/6197929

What i later discovered is that you cant walk, just turn around and slash you sword.

Offline CrimZen

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What i later discovered is that you cant walk, just turn around and slash you sword.

Found an invisible platform right besides the owl in clocktown, the interesting thing is- you can damageboost with a bomb from the platform(Like the current strat for getting to great bay)
If we find one of these platforms in a good spot, we might be able to find some skips!


Edit: Like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaHsJE8iKJ0
« Last Edit: February 25, 2015, 10:34:41 AM by CrimZen »

Offline Lilysol

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Heart piece duplication!!

Easier way to duplicate heart pieces. Find a chest with a heart piece (The one in the hole outside Mountain Village works nice. Just clear out the Dodongos first)

Time stop (Backflip, then simultaneously shield and use a full bottle right when Link's feet hit the ground.

Open the chest infinite times.

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Great, just another impractical thing from me haha.

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Alternate method for getting up on the graves:
Use goron pound below the tree branches to get up onto the tree. sidehop onto the grave.
By the graveyard entrance, as Zora Link (or regular link with a gainer) you can grab the pillar to the right from the north side. From that pillar you can do a longjump to the grave closest to it.

I don't know anything about the graveyard, like when different enemies spawn.. but with this you can get in when the keese aren't there.

Edit: Apparantly you can do a Zora Gainer up onto the tree branch as well.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2015, 01:04:42 PM by CloudMax »

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I know Pirate Fortress is skipped in Any%, but I found a way to skip fighting one of the Gerudo's for one of the other categories.



Standing there a doing a roll jump  and moving yourself in the air can get you to land on the ledge.

I also found some weird save diving thing. If you go to Zora Hall's owl statue, and face the ocean and check it, you'll fall into the water. It's really weird and I don't know if it has any use but well, here it is anyways:

Sorry if these have been found already!  :P

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Has anyone talked about how "race files" how are they gonna be in mm3d? For bingos or random 10 masks races etc, since you don't start cycle 1 anymore "since day transition" but from an owl, I think it can be the same thing as MM, 101r in bank, have SoH and Deku on a button, and i guess start from SCT owl with the time at 7am, that would be SoDT to 7 and immediately save after :p

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I know Pirate Fortress is skipped in Any%, but I found a way to skip fighting one of the Gerudo's for one of the other categories.



Standing there a doing a roll jump  and moving yourself in the air can get you to land on the ledge.

I also found some weird save diving thing. If you go to Zora Hall's owl statue, and face the ocean and check it, you'll fall into the water. It's really weird and I don't know if it has any use but well, here it is anyways:

Sorry if these have been found already!  :P
The pirate Fortress method can be done by sidehopping as a Zora as well, that's how I did it my on first playthrough.
and yeah, you can dive during dialogs. You can do it super easy outside Kafeis house by the bell. This is not exclusive to the owl dialogs.

Offline mzxrules

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Easier way to duplicate heart pieces. Find a chest with a heart piece (The one in the hole outside Mountain Village works nice. Just clear out the Dodongos first)

Time stop (Backflip, then simultaneously shield and use a full bottle right when Link's feet hit the ground.

Open the chest infinite times.

Does that mean we can collect an infinite number of keys? Also, does this affect GIM?
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Does that mean we can collect an infinite number of keys? Also, does this affect GIM?
No, because it has to be a full cutscene that small chests are lacking. At least that's how it works on N64, and using timestop for infinite heart pieces is nothing new.

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There seems to be an update out for the game, at least in Europe. Anyone know what it does?

Sorry if this is old news.

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Just a little thing if anybody hasn't tried yet, Aron just confirmed to get a hookshot jump (aka doom jump) out of a gibdo by accident, doom jump hype x))

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Walking in first-person:

1. Do the first seven steps of the heart duplication method.
2. Check mailbox without the Postman's hat while the carpenter is in view or being close enough.
3. While moving with the trading screen, select an item with the camera facing away from mailbox.
4. Go to the banker and do not allow the camera to face south.
5. When in front of him, use Pictograph Box (Deku shooting mode works too). Enjoy.

To do easy RI, be the form you want to be then only do the first three steps above (it doesn't work with Goron). Items will be highlighted and continues to be usable even if you change them. This allows you to wield Deku Sticks with other forms, etc. Just don't face the camera to the mailbox you used or you will crash. If the camera faces it while you make movement, Link will do a brief slide while taking out the item you selected from the trading screen before the game crashes; you can quit the game before the crash can happen.

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Walking in first-person:

1. Do the first seven steps of the heart duplication method.
2. Check mailbox without the Postman's hat while the carpenter is in view or being close enough.
3. While moving with the trading screen, select an item with the camera facing away from mailbox.
4. Go to the banker and do not allow the camera to face south.
5. When in front of him, use Pictograph Box (Deku shooting mode works too). Enjoy.

You can also do it as deku Link by stepping onto a lily pad, taking off the deku mask, and putting it on again, then going into first person. You'll be in first person mode.

Offline Tailsko

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v1.1 update is live. restricted item works. http://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/ajrj/update/index.html

Anyone with the JP version. Can you bottle dupe over Gibdo Mask. I cannot. Need someone else to test this.

Patch size is 34 blocks
Region: Japan
« Last Edit: February 26, 2015, 08:58:33 PM by Tailsko »

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Just a little thing if anybody hasn't tried yet, Aron just confirmed to get a hookshot jump (aka doom jump) out of a gibdo by accident, doom jump hype x))
This is awesome! Here's some information about the trick that I haven't seen anywhere:

The hookshot jump works by interrupting the animation (cut scene?) where Link is suppose to be flying towards the object he shot, skipping to the end of that animation (which will happen once Link is close enough to his target because the hookshot will be fully recoiled) will result in link getting shot upwards.

I highly suggest you watch this for a visual reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tt8sTVcPc8#t=144 (2:24) It's basically a slow motion doom jump using Epona instead of boots. Also, YES! this would work in this mm3d as well if you could use items on Epona.

In OoT3d, conveniently, by equipping different boots Link would perform a jumping animation which was actually enough to interrupt his hookshot's pull with out canceling it. The reason why we need to look up (or down) before taking the shot and switching boots is because the hookshot's pull animation has to be present for at least a frame (I think. More frames the higher but it caps.), In the video it's there for a few seconds.

Basically the Gibdo's scream works as an "interrupter". It worked in OoT3d as well but I guess no one knew or they just never said anything. The timing can be tricky though, so hopefully a consistent method is thought of.

NOTE: I don't know why Link is shot upwards and a lot of this information is off the top of my head so it may not be 100% accurate.

v1.1 update is live. restricted item works. http://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/ajrj/update/index.html

Anyone with the JP version. Can you bottle dupe over Gibdo Mask. I cannot. Need someone else to test this.

Patch size is 34 blocks
Region: Japan
This sounds terrifying. Forgive my ignorance but, why are they updating it?
« Last Edit: February 26, 2015, 09:59:58 PM by doommaker »

Offline Lilysol

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This sounds terrifying. Forgive my ignorance but, why are they updating it?

The main reason they'd want to patch the Gibdo match (or BA shenanigans in general) is because some variations can crash the game. It doesn't really apply much to the speed running community as a whole, as I think we all agree that skipping the Zora egg quest, and all of Great Bay Temple is in all of our best interests.

Pretty sure we just all agree to use V1.0 unless they manage to screw the game up even more through patches. Which I guess is more than likely possible given Grezzo's track record.

Edit: On a related note for anyone with access to the patch, what's broken with BA? Can you still get ESS? Does BA work on any of the other masks?
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I have the european version and the update is available, however it fails when I try to install it.

Will try again later and post whether or not I can bottle dupe Gibdo Mask.
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I gotten Gibdo's Mask and Garo's Mask to display while Link is emptying Hot Spring Water, but no duplicate bottle. I'll keep trying.

Offline Lilysol

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I gotten Gibdo's Mask and Garo's Mask to display while Link is emptying Hot Spring Water, but no duplicate bottle. I'll keep trying.

Does ESS still work?

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Putting on Goron Mask while standing under water using RI seems to softlock the game.
Put on Deku Mask and you'll instantly pop up to the surface (even if there's a ceiling above you, you'll clip right thru it).
When standing under water and pressing A to surface, you can take out the pictograph directly after, allowing you to take pictures and stuff while at the surface, etc.

I've messed around with the deku clip in STT but can't find anything useful (though you can get into many unloaded rooms). Someone with more knowledge may find some useful OoB there, maybe.
I didn't bother checking in GBT since we can basically skip the entire thing.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2015, 05:31:45 AM by CloudMax »