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All Medallions NG+ Category
« on: January 04, 2013, 03:41:41 AM »

Since I have been wanting a category that uses rba, I was thinking of something like this. We will rba odd mushroom as child for the medallions before becoming adult, then we become adult and possibly BA the hammer with the light arrow cutscene, then beat fire and wrong warp to the credits. Any idea
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2013, 06:01:54 PM »

i think it should use MS as ng+ item
-Intro
-TSC escape(40 ruppes from chain)
-zeldas lullaby
-kakariko bottle
-up DMT
-open door to darunia
-get deku stick and light bombs to lost woods
-(optional owl skip)sarias song
-save warp  and get deku sheild
-deku nuts from baba in deku
-complete deku
-get bracelet
-DC
-magic
-to ZD
-fish and skip king zora w/ TSC(or a-slide clip)
-complete jabu
-FW after jabu
-OOT cutscene
-go adult:)
tell wat u think, not finished with adult section though:)
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2013, 06:24:15 PM »

Uuuuhhhh... you need the bottle on B to RBA the medallions  :P
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2013, 06:00:28 AM »

i know but u dont need it as a kid. u can use lon lon stick as an adult to get bottle b and rba medallions ::)
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2013, 06:58:21 AM »

heres the adult route ;D
-to kakariko
-get bugs,hookshot, and egg
-to lonlon ranch and do lonlon stick
-wait for egg to hatch
-trade the cucco for cojiro
-to kokiri forest
-FW point in house of twins using items anywhere glitch
-to lost woods to trade cojiro
-rba mushroom and exit through goron city
-get goron tunic and do belero of fire cutscene skip
-enter fire temple
-early bosss key and save warp
-after getting megaton hammer save warp
-complete and do WW at the end(may want to save before doing this)
-to kokiri forest
-FW point in shop
-death hole WW
-set FW
-save and continue(game crashes but its fine)
-open game back up and use FW
-tower collapse
-Gannon ;D
so wat u think?i think there might be a few improvements to the route though(spent two hours on it)
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2013, 02:38:26 PM »

Lonlon stick, would be slower. (obviously)
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2013, 06:02:50 PM »

I didn't actually know if anyone wanted to run this. But that wrong warp to ganon would be really slow compared to ganonless or the nocturne wrong warp. Also, it would be really nice to add some 3ds glitches, because this being too similar to n64 oot would make it a somewhat boring category actually.
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2013, 08:00:34 PM »

Lonlon stick, would be slower. (obviously)
what do u mean? i dont understand?
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2013, 08:16:03 PM »

The ww to credits would be faster or the dhww where you do OI then play the nocturne would be faster.
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2013, 08:20:19 PM »

 8)but wat does OI stand for?
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2013, 08:22:18 PM »

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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2013, 08:23:01 PM »

OHHHHHHHHH! ok :)
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2013, 08:24:28 PM »

Btw do u have a timeing srat for OI? i rarely get it :'(
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2013, 09:00:30 PM »

yeah you can home-buffer it but it's hard to explain :(
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2013, 09:02:59 PM »

ok i suck at home buffer but ill try :-[
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2013, 10:18:33 PM »

Oka i'll try to explain the frame. you know how the explosion is orangish?It's when the flame just barely has anymore orange in it. (Sorry if that didn't make any sense :P)
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2013, 10:34:09 PM »

makes sense ::)
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2013, 01:41:10 AM »

make sure to put questions in the question/answer thread. not here, this place is for routing a category  ;)
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2013, 05:13:31 PM »

Yeah, but still i think this would be a fun category. except one thing...the gerudo as child lol.
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2013, 06:14:43 PM »

Yeah, but still i think this would be a fun category. except one thing...the gerudo as child lol.
i was originally thinknig of putting that in the route but i thought it would be faster not to...
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2013, 12:40:49 PM »

Okay, i want to do this now due to some grinding of gerudo as child.Is there a full route yet?
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2013, 08:12:21 PM »

im not sure there is still that one i made a month ago lol ill make one later tonight though
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2013, 08:13:10 PM »

Yours was really slow lol
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2013, 08:23:09 PM »

hey i sucked at gerudos as kid back then so i could not have included it in the route but now ive looked past my ways
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2014, 06:37:15 PM »

So, I routed this. As it turns out, it might be faster to RBA as adult, because then you can use the light arrow cutscene to BA the hammer on B, and skip practically the entire fire temple.

Of course, the alternative is to RBA the odd mushroom as child, using the megaflip/damage boost to get to gerudo's fortress... I'm really bad at that :P Luckily I can use death hole to gerudo training grounds if I'm not RBA'ing as a child.

I'm relatively new to running this game, so it can probably be improved in some ways.

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Edit: I just realized that king dodongo is unbeatable if you don't keep the hammer... which means you need first try fire temple wrong warp. It would be safer to kill dodongo when you're still a child... or wrong warp to ganon's tower collapse.
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2014, 06:59:59 AM »

Wow this looks incredibly solid. Only thing that I can see that I would change is picking up bugs in the lost woods on the way to Saria.

I don't know nearly as much as I should know about RBA, so I'm not sure so much if anything could be better, but from what I do know, this looks good.
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2014, 10:45:23 AM »

Wow this looks incredibly solid. Only thing that I can see that I would change is picking up bugs in the lost woods on the way to Saria.

I don't know nearly as much as I should know about RBA, so I'm not sure so much if anything could be better, but from what I do know, this looks good.
I didn't know about those bugs, but I still think it'd be faster to get the bugs outside the fountain. I know I wrote the order wrong, but you can get the bugs while waiting for your bomb to explode ;)

The rupee route isn't very good, though. You need 80 rupees to buy the shield by the end of the child segment. This route gives you 40 rupees, plus whatever the RNG gives you in the zora diving game. You could always go to the pot house if you're short on rupees, but maybe there are some rupees I missed along the way which would be more convenient?
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2014, 12:23:34 PM »

No, if you time the bomb right you don't need to wait. The bugs in the Lost Woods are the fastest. As for the rupees, grab two of the chain rupees [40 R] on your way to Zelda since you have to wait for the egg to hatch anyways
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2014, 02:07:06 PM »

I messed with the route some and did some timing. It appears that the fastest route as far as getting to the mushroom is first going to Hyrule, getting the shield and setting FW in market. Then go to gerudo fortress and get the mushroom. You need to do the megaflip damage boost here. Get the mushroom and then savequit and DHWW in the lost woods. This route uses a lot more bombs than the other but is signifigantly faster
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2014, 03:52:26 PM »

Does it use more bombs? First try megaflip-damage boost only takes 2 bombs. If you did wrong warp instead, you'd need 2 bombs to kill yourself (using farore's wind buffering). Anyway, I can certainly see that being faster.

Edit: But you need to damage yourself, riiight... so the bomb chest or a bomb drop is probably necessary this way.
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2014, 04:25:41 PM »

Yeah actually I thought about that. So really the fastest way is to set FW in hyrule field, go get the mushroom, return FW, then go to hyrule. The bad tbing about this is that You need to wait for a bit for day. This is the still the fastest way though. It uses more bombs because you also need to aslide to escape the forest and you need to fess or hess to gerudo fortress.

Also, how do we intend to kill KD? We won't have a sword at this point. Is there a way to get it back?
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2014, 04:45:00 PM »

Hammer is the only way. This means that you can't save before the wrong warp at fire temple. So you're screwed if you fail it.

As far as I know, you can't get the sword back without access to the door of time or another sword.
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2014, 06:56:29 PM »

Note that lon-lon stick is not doable if you have a sword equipped. Other than that, I can't really determine what is fastest and what isn't for the adult route. I wondered for a second if deku would be faster but you don't get hover boots during the run anyway. If the sword manages to be faster I'd say get the shield and grab fw before going to get ruto bottle, then reverse kz skip-scale then bottle and scarecrow's song. Then talk to the owl to head to the market from there.
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2014, 11:32:24 PM »

Note that lon-lon stick is not doable if you have a sword equipped. Other than that, I can't really determine what is fastest and what isn't for the adult route. I wondered for a second if deku would be faster but you don't get hover boots during the run anyway. If the sword manages to be faster I'd say get the shield and grab fw before going to get ruto bottle, then reverse kz skip-scale then bottle and scarecrow's song. Then talk to the owl to head to the market from there.
Sorry, you lost me :P What do you need the scarecrow's song for? And what do you mean by the sword possibly being faster? We need to lose the sword to perform RBA...
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« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2014, 01:12:20 AM »

Sorry, you lost me :P What do you need the scarecrow's song for? And what do you mean by the sword possibly being faster? We need to lose the sword to perform RBA...
I referred to "sword" as the kokiri sword, which upon equipping prevents the stick glitch in lon-lon ranch from triggering. This means that a sword route would need to go to Lake Hylia to get the fishing rod. Since the hookshot is obtained, a sword route can use the scarecrow's song or a magic bean to reach the fishing pond. It wouldn't be too bad to route actually.

Also without the sword it's really difficult to warp to zora's river from LW. No naviless, and only a really precise navi dive seems to work.
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2014, 01:21:54 AM »

There is a way to do naviless, but it requires a fish and a spell...
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2014, 03:53:54 AM »

The route I wrote up uses NG+ with the master sword. No need to worry about swords as a child :)

If we're still talking about NG+ I honestly don't know what else you'd use. There's no point in doing RBA as a child, because the light arrow cutscene would trigger immediately upon going adult, which means we can't get the hammer on B.
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2014, 04:24:17 AM »

The route I wrote up uses NG+ with the master sword. No need to worry about swords as a child :)

If we're still talking about NG+ I honestly don't know what else you'd use. There's no point in doing RBA as a child, because the light arrow cutscene would trigger immediately upon going adult, which means we can't get the hammer on B.

My bad, I somehow missed the post of ms at the top.

Well the only way you could complete this without light arrows is by a ww to a cutscene that isn't accessible or by doing the dungeons (which might defeat the purpose of the category)

No idea if defeating Volvagia as child would be useful, doing the fire temple then would skip hookshot though. You'd also need hearts somewhere...
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« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2014, 05:45:22 AM »

My bad, I somehow missed the post of ms at the top.

Well the only way you could complete this without light arrows is by a ww to a cutscene that isn't accessible or by doing the dungeons (which might defeat the purpose of the category)

No idea if defeating Volvagia as child would be useful, doing the fire temple then would skip hookshot though. You'd also need hearts somewhere...
The light medallion cutscene warps you to the temple of time, so the light arrow cutscene will play if you've already RBA'd the medallions. It's pretty much unavoidable. I guess you could RBA with an empty bottle, then you'd get to skip the cutscene and you'd have to get the forest and spirit medallions normally. But surely that's slower than just watching the cutscene.
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Re: All Medallions NG+ Category
« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2014, 03:22:30 PM »

Finally finished a half-decent run of this. PB is 1:37:54, sum of best is 1:31:07. I'm still using wrong warp for the odd mushroom, though, which apparently is slower.

Btw, for the alternate odd mushroom route, maaaybe it would be faster to get the lonlon bottle instead of the cucco bottle? If you have to wait for day later on, the extra travel time is meaningless.
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