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[Pedalpowertoast]

As soon as somebody can confirm a shadow block skip without longshot or a big sword it will actually be pretty significant to the route, changing it to shadow-forest-water-spirit-fire so I encourage you guys to put some effort into it if you're feeling bored sometime

Thanks GS found a way to clip through it with..a bomb. Can i get a cookie now
Also video coming up. How come this wasnt tested yet?

[TaylorTotFTW]

<3

[gamestabled]

You can have a plate full of cookies!!! <3
It has been tested, you just found the way.
EDIT: I just got it first try without even knowing what to do. Why wasnt this found already?

New route is shadow, forest, water, spirit, fire i suppose.

[Pedalpowertoast]

Wheeee cookies *insert pic of cookie monster here* who knows GS maybe we have been slackers.
Its actually a bit tricky to do.

[TaylorTotFTW]

The only thing standing in the way of skipping longshot is fire trial. However, I just tested it and you can hoverslide from the platform that goes down when you stand on it with normal boots, the part thats closet to the ledge we want. you have to be wearing hovers so it wont go down, so it goes like equip hovers, get in position, drop the bomb, take hovers off then hoverslide. I'll make a video.

No more longshot 

[Pedalpowertoast]

Bye longshot *sniff* im going to miss you.
Awesome job taylortotdoesntfailanymore.
(whos/whats taylortot and why does he win?)

[benstephens1000]

Seriously you guys are awesome. I thought that all of the secrets in this game had been found, but we just keep finding stuff! I eagerly await both videos that will be coming showing the fire trial and the bomb clip. This seriously feels like we're getting closer to the final route and to -3:30 times. I'm gonna test some of this stuff, and maybe even do a run tonight if I can. Goodbye longshot and good riddance!

I'm been practicing the gate skip for a solid hour.  I got it on my first attempt, but I have yet to succeed again. I must be doing something wrong... This is gonna suck for me I think. And don't en get me started on hoverslides -_____-

[cloudzack117]

figures all this stuff is found the first time i try a run, though i couldnt get up to magic lol.  i did pull off a tektike superslide to the three boulders wich was pretty cool.  For the supposed bomb gate skip, what exactly do you do?  if this was discussed on irc i missed it, as ive had to hop from computer to computer the last few days and not all of them can run irc

[benstephens1000]

For the supposed bomb gate skip, what exactly do you do?

Well I'm not entirely sure yet, but there will be a video soon. Basically what I remember doing is putting a bomb behind me and running  towards the seam between the gate and the wall.

[cloudzack117]

OMFG i just went to shadow to try and practice and realised that i duped over my bombs on my main file trying to get FW ng+ and saved

[TaylorTotFTW]

Slowly walk against the wall to the right in the gate room. Where the gate meets the black thing on the wall, you can feel a little bump like the gate part is slightly more prominent than the wall part. You want to get as close in the corner of this invisible corner as you can without moving to far left onto the 'prominent' or gate part of the wall. One good way I can usually tell is when the very middle  top of links hat is lined up with the small white line on the left side of the black line on the wall. Anyway, once you get into position just pivot 180, A-drop a bomb, pivot 180 again, then target the wall and walk straight forward.

[Pedalpowertoast]

Hey Taylor, do you mind if I record the fire trial hover boost too?

[benstephens1000]

Thanks a bundle and a half Taylor for that detailed description. I haven't missed the clip once after reading that. Great find Pedal. I finally am beginning to like this route

[Pedalpowertoast]

Heres da video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOH0aWSb-Eo
Sorry if I'm late, ran into some problems.
Alternate fire trial without longshot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF1LGFiX0Ik

[Norkix]

So, if you're skipping longshot, does that mean no Dark Link?

3:30, well done guys. I don't do ww, so I couldn't ever run this (unless we make MST no ww), but seriously, WELL DONE.

Any one gonna help me revive 100% now?

[benstephens1000]

So, if you're skipping longshot, does that mean no Dark Link?

3:30, well done guys. I don't do ww, so I couldn't ever run this (unless we make MST no ww), but seriously, WELL DONE.

Yes we are skipping dark Link. There is no need because we are skipping the longshot now that we have new shadow gate skip. Also no one has gotten 3:30 yet, but with this route I believe it is very much possible.

[benstephens1000]

Hey-oh new world record
3:47:52 I can't say I'm too happy with it, but it will do until I can get another run in in 2 or 3 days. Water early was atrocious, spirit block skip was abominable, and the fire hover boost was atrocious, but it's a new record. In an hour or so I will probably post some split times that I recorded.

Fairy Ocarina - 0:7:26
Zelda’s Lullaby - 0:16:15
Goron Bracelet - 0:28:39
Bombs - 0:38:37
Nocturne of Shadow - 0:49:13
Requiem of Spirit -  0:59:00
Zora Sapphire - 1:12:05
Master Sword - 1:21:40
Hover Boots - 1:30:33
Shadow Medallion -  1:40:49
Forest Medallion - 1:58:39
Fire Medallion - 2:21:48
Water Medallion - 2:41:11
Spirit Medallion - 3:04:26
Ganondorf - 3:38:24
Ganon - 3:47:52

These may not be so incredibly accurate due to my ghetto setup for taking splits, but it should serve its purpose good enough.

[Typho20k]

When are we going to see vids/recordings of 3ds mst runs?!
Not for proof, but for the entertainment value clearly and seeing all the magic taking place in one single segment!

[Pedalpowertoast]

Not sure. Takes a lot of practise, patience, time etc. to play 3:50 minutes. Recording can be a bit difficult too.
Maybe Taylor, GS or Tom might do one. I would do one if it wouldnt take so long to do.
(Has Tom said anything about that surprise yet?)

[benstephens1000]

I would start recording but I don't currently have a camera that can record 4 hours of game play. However I am working on getting something together possibly. Also Tom hasn't unveiled any surprises.

[Nook]

Sorry my 3DS is out of commission for a while :'|

[gamestabled]

When are we going to see vids/recordings of 3ds mst runs?!
Not for proof, but for the entertainment value clearly and seeing all the magic taking place in one single segment!

I would love to record a sub-4 run. The problem is, my sd card holds around 45 minutes of video and it isnt easy to have that much time in a quiet environment. I considered doing a part-by-part run, but that seems goofy to me.

[Pedalpowertoast]

Sorry my 3DS is out of commission for a while :'|

Whats happening to everyones 3DS I cant record 4 hours on an Iphone IIRC it splits the video at 2gb or something...wait a sec i can just combine 'em into one..but how can I borrow it for 4 hours..hopefully i can get one soon. (Does anyone know if 3.5 m to m cables work with an Iphone + 3DS, been trying with many different things but it doesnt work. Of course the cable might be borken or something)

[benstephens1000]

I think it's agreed that this could work in a run:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvQ0cyrrL2M

oh and this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-2mMwJEKQw

[Pedalpowertoast]

Just did my first MST (practise) run, time was about 4:09:15
Pretty decent considering I had to watch the route at the same time. there were some horrible, horrible mistakes meh ill accept it.
PS is the time stopped when last hit to ganon or after zeldas last text box? I did after ganon.

[TaylorTotFTW]

The run is over on the last meaningful input (pressing B on Ganon).

[Pedalpowertoast]

I always found it weird because you still need to tap the buttons to clear zeldas text boxes, oh well atleast it ends faster.

[TaylorTotFTW]

Keyword is MEANINGFUL input. There is no gameplay after pressing B to kill Ganon.

[Pedalpowertoast]

New WR!   3:47:19 woohoo also lots of mistakes.
Also how do i fix the time? Do i resubmit it? (today is 6th the time there shows 5th day.)
NVM fixed.

[CloudMax]

So, Why do you get Din's Fire? Is it required anywhere?
You can clip past the shadow temple boss key room walls with the hookshot so it's not needed there. And that's the only place I can think of.
I remember someone saying that it was possible to clip past the entrance as well, but maybe it required bgs or something?

Also, you can skip the second locked door in Forest temple now that we have hover boots: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSJMLV8QdY0
Which means that only 1 key is required (not counting the very first room). I do not know if it'd be faster to take the stalfos or hand key. I would assume that the room with the hands is faster since you walk past it.
I would assume that this is faster than getting both keys, but I'm not sure.

With this trick you can skip unlocking a door saving a key, and it takes you right to another key leaving you with 2 keys.

[Pedalpowertoast]

I was trying some shit with forest too, but forgot that trick.
Not sure why we get dins. IIRC some people called shadow clip too hard.

[LttpMmOot]

no matter what you have to get stalfos key in forest temple otherwise you cant get bow tested this out ages ago and the hookshot clip in shadow for bk is easy as shit get it everytime and i dont even lose half a heart doing it. you can skip first room key and get stalfos and hand key

[TaylorTotFTW]

We get Dins fire because we need it to open up Shadow. The hookshot jump shadow early is not in the route because it requires iron boots and thus is not faster

[CloudMax]

no matter what you have to get stalfos key in forest temple otherwise you cant get bow tested this out ages ago and the hookshot clip in shadow for bk is easy as shit get it everytime and i dont even lose half a heart doing it. you can skip first room key and get stalfos and hand key

First Key is way faster than the hand key though.
So I guess you'd get the first 2 keys only, and use hover boots to skip past the first locked door.

[LttpMmOot]

first key probably is faster never bothered to time it

[Pedalpowertoast]

Im a bit confused by the route...is it the final one yet?

[gamestabled]

Im a bit confused by the route...is it the final one yet?

No Zelda route is ever final. 

[TaylorTotFTW]

No Zelda route is ever final. 

This. It can always be assumed there are things we have not discovered. MST on console is a perfect example of this. At one point, sub 3 hours was thought to be impossible.

[Pedalpowertoast]

Should we skip FW? Its only useful in forest & few others. RI warping from Water skips the sheik cutscene which is the trigger for water raising = fire arrows only with scarecrow. Setting up for RI warp then fucking it wastes even more time.

[r0bd0g]

Optimally you'd get FW but if you're not going to RI then... I'm not sure where it saves time. It takes like 20 seconds to cast the thing, so without RI it has to save a good amount of backtracking to be worth it. You need way to skip Fire Arrows in the shadow trial (maybe hoverslide over and cast dins next to the torch, or something) in order to consider CS skipping the water medallion.