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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2012, 03:29:57 AM »

Here's a water temple route I made (I do not know the water temple inside out, so I am using a guide book as reference. Tell me if there's an error in the route :P):
Note that I didn't read the posts in this thread, so maybe there's a better route.

Go to ruto and lower the water.
Use this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pka6L_YPOnk to get the small key.
Jump down to the lowest level and fire the torches to enter the next small key room.
Savewarp
While you're at the entrance, enter the path right below you on the 2nd floor.
Clip through the gate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toQNW0_cq3I
Walk up to the block that you can push and hookshot clip through it onto the small key chest & take the key.
You'll now have 3 keys.
Savewarp
Perform this trick to increase the water level back to 3 again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlHMHvUKknQ
Get longshot.
Savewarp
Get the boss key (use this trick in the block room: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fReBZKisH1g)
Savewarp?
Kill the boss

I haven't tested any of this but it should work just fine.
You only have to change the water level twice and it only requires 3 keys in total.
I am not sure if there's another key that is faster than the 3rd one. If there is, just swap it out.
This skips pretty much everything except the path to longshot and boss key. So stop complaining. :p
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2012, 08:00:43 AM »

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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2012, 10:22:52 AM »

Why is it a ng+ route if you arent even using ng+ lol...

As child we can just get requiem (no spirit stuff) and as adult delay spirit temple until after shadow, and use hoverboots to get golden gauntlets before going to spirit.

Also nice water route. Puts mine to shame.

^just my first thoughts.

We are using NG+. Master Sword. Not necessary, just for convenience.

Here's a water temple route I made (I do not know the water temple inside out, so I am using a guide book as reference. Tell me if there's an error in the route :P):
Note that I didn't read the posts in this thread, so maybe there's a better route.

Go to ruto and lower the water.
Use this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pka6L_YPOnk to get the small key.
Jump down to the lowest level and fire the torches to enter the next small key room.
Savewarp
While you're at the entrance, enter the path right below you on the 2nd floor.
Clip through the gate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toQNW0_cq3I
Walk up to the block that you can push and hookshot clip through it onto the small key chest & take the key.
You'll now have 3 keys.
Savewarp
Perform this trick to increase the water level back to 3 again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlHMHvUKknQ
Get longshot.
Savewarp
Get the boss key (use this trick in the block room: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fReBZKisH1g)
Savewarp?
Kill the boss

I haven't tested any of this but it should work just fine.
You only have to change the water level twice and it only requires 3 keys in total.
I am not sure if there's another key that is faster than the 3rd one. If there is, just swap it out.
This skips pretty much everything except the path to longshot and boss key. So stop complaining. :p

You can't open chests underwater, I'm 70% sure of this.

Din's Fire Skip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQw4fdOAgzo
That's a nice skip, thanks. But if you're implying that we can skip dins fire, then no because we need it for shadow.
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2012, 06:56:53 PM »

3 things: You know that you lose ng+ when you savewarp right (EDIT: nvm you keep swords cool)

In his route the water is lowered when you open all 3 chests, despite the water in the video.

Well....you dont NEED dins for shadow....
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #44 on: June 30, 2012, 07:19:52 PM »

You don't lose the NG+ item if it's a sword.

I just realized that about his water route... then that route would be great :)
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2012, 04:32:08 PM »

Edited the route to add the forest route video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jQb1WzP-kw
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #46 on: July 01, 2012, 07:04:43 PM »

I left a comment on the video. You didn't know me when I was still SXL, so I just figured I would let you know. ;D

I'll change my YouTube account soon.
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #47 on: July 02, 2012, 02:52:16 AM »

Edited the route to add the forest route video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jQb1WzP-kw

Hmh. I guess some people isn't aware that the N64 BK skip still works. The one where you ledge grab to get OoB and jump into the loading zone that is.
http://zeldaspeedruns.com/oot3d/Dungeon%20Strats/forest-temple

This method is much easier & faster. (This method was re-confirmed long after the 3ds method was found, which may be why some people isn't aware of it)
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #48 on: July 02, 2012, 07:31:16 AM »

Hmh. I guess some people isn't aware that the N64 BK skip still works. The one where you ledge grab to get OoB and jump into the loading zone that is.
http://zeldaspeedruns.com/oot3d/Dungeon%20Strats/forest-temple

This method is much easier & faster. (This method was re-confirmed long after the 3ds method was found, which may be why some people isn't aware of it)

Wait, really? God damnit now I have to record that shit again.
(That's my way of saying thanks.)
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #49 on: July 02, 2012, 07:56:58 AM »

align yourself so that you backflip into the small banister. After that make your way to the front of the platform while still being inside of the bainster and you should end up grabbing the ledge while inside of the platform.

What?
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #50 on: July 02, 2012, 10:36:02 AM »

Unlike N64 this one is a bit different. Face the right banister, turn 180 degrees and walk forward a little. (make sure you are using inverty Y-Axis controls from options) Then tap L&Y&A and hold down. You should clip inside the banister, then sidehop right then left. Walk forward and make sure there is space next to the stair pillar thing and behind you. Walk left without holding L and you should clip through the floor. Tap A, align youself and jump. Woot its done. If you didn't understand I can make a video.
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #51 on: July 02, 2012, 12:33:22 PM »

If you could make a video that would be great.
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #52 on: July 02, 2012, 02:23:15 PM »

Ok ill make one,but its going to be laggy because my camera isnt good, in fact its worse than the one on 3ds : Ill see what i can do. Ill probably record that torch time saver too.
E:Borrowed my moms iphone and recorded it :) theres buzzing in it so Ill propably replace the music with something else :(
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #53 on: July 03, 2012, 08:56:39 PM »

Just finished the first ever (I assume) completed run. I took 2 minutes for forest escape. I made 3 trips to lake hylia for bombs for child gate skip. I forgot to get the bow in forest and actually was in the boss room before I remembered. I kept missing the megaflip in ice cavern. I fell down the hole in deku. I did some random-ass route for water that I probably couldn't duplicate if I tried. It was messy. It was sloppy. In short, it was a horrible excuse for a run.

It was 4:41:01.

I can see at least an half an hour being shaved off soon, if not sup 4. But hey, it's the World Record :D

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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #54 on: July 04, 2012, 12:56:15 AM »

So you know how to do the new forest temple skip?
E:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4iCvXsT7rs
there, Its uploaded sorry if I'm late
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #55 on: July 04, 2012, 06:21:30 AM »

Awesome, thanks alot man! That's a real time saver.
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #56 on: July 04, 2012, 02:10:31 PM »

I can see at least an half an hour being shaved off soon, if not sup 4. But hey, it's the World Record :D

^congrats?

Did you just follow pokeys video to cross the wasteland? Its where I got stuck even though I can do it on n64, and Im having a lot of trouble following his video.
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #57 on: July 04, 2012, 06:12:30 PM »

I didn't follow pokey's video. I'm not sure I've ever even seen it. Crossing wasteland is something I just picked up from when I ran console MST, I have my own things that work for me, I'll try to get a video up soon if you still need it. I have a bunch of shit recorded but it sucks because my old 'camcorder' only has a firewire cable and my PC doesn't have firewire ports so I have to edit and upload shit on a 100 year old Mac.
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #58 on: July 05, 2012, 09:51:10 AM »

Oh you dont have to bother if its so much trouble. I havent even tried again since that night, I'm sure I can get it if I gave it just a little more time.
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #59 on: July 05, 2012, 12:02:14 PM »

Wow, you really can't cross the wasteland? It's exactly the same as on console...
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #60 on: July 05, 2012, 05:11:23 PM »

I know... and I can do it on console I dont understand  :'(

taylortot did you think about doing gold gaunts early and skipping silvers? It seems like a good idea to me
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #61 on: July 06, 2012, 02:28:29 PM »

edited route: removed child spirit, added early gold gaunts. Much less of a potential run ender and it saves alot of time :)
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #62 on: July 06, 2012, 03:07:44 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOvx2pQy9A4

Here ya go, pull it off and it is Din's fire skip (for reals this time) kinda forgot about it earlier.

If the typical sidehop-roll-sidehop-slash gateskip doesnt work still then this should:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiMs-x8mQQY

I'm actually really liking this run in the sense that the dungeons arent torn to bits like console (looking at you water temple) but are also broken enough that its still fun and feels like your doing cool shit.
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #63 on: July 06, 2012, 04:05:35 PM »

shit, I forgot we don't have spirit song anymore... if this doesnt work we might have to go back to doing child spirit.
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #64 on: July 06, 2012, 07:54:44 PM »

Hey I'm kind of new to the whole speedrunning thing, but after about two weeks of practice I pretty much have this run down. Some of you guys might remember me from asking questions on your videos on youtube. Anyways, although it appears that I'm a little late getting in on this discussion. I am here to help and discuss the general matters of this run!
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #65 on: July 06, 2012, 08:17:00 PM »

Anyways, as for the Water Temple route that has been posted, I have an alternative for anyone who does not plan on getting the iron boots or the tunic. This is a video of how to get inside of the temple without either even though I'm sure you guys already know how to do this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPvJKmuSFbM&feature=related

The route goes something like this:

-Spell dive with the tectite on the west side of the central room to go to Ruto and lower the water. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJqCyRDuD7E&feature=related)
-Use a hookshot clip to get the level 2 key. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pka6L_YPOnk)
-Light the torches to get to the room on the bottom level and get the key.
-Savewarp.
-Use damage boost to raise the water all the way. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlHMHvUKknQ)
-Get longshot
-Get small key in the river room with the vortexes. Get the small key by hookshot clipping in the upper level of the dragon whirlpool room (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRjta0gpdFg&list=PL0BC01F2C8208B57A&index=63&feature=plpp_video)
-Savewarp
-Lower water with previous tectite dive trick
-Block room (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fReBZKisH1g)
-Get boss key.
-Saverwap
-Raise water with damage boost.
-Kill boss.

I know it's longer than the other route posted, however you say time from skipping ice cavern.
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #66 on: July 07, 2012, 05:51:31 AM »

Welcome aboard, I'm glad to have you with us.  :)

As much as I hate to admit it (water early, I'm looking at you) this route is definitely faster. I'll edit the route accordingly tomorrow when I'm actually at a computer.

Gamestabled, we are not skipping dins fire! The convenience of having it for shadow and trials is well worth the minute it takes to go get it before going adult. I suppose later on, if this category gets more competitive, then yeah we could implement that but it's not worth it dude. What if you fuck up and run out of magic? Then you waste the time it takes to go get dins fire to get more :P
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #67 on: July 07, 2012, 06:59:56 AM »

Well we need it now for water anyways  :P

Taylortot, can you make a video of the adult gateskip whether or not you find a consistent setup? I think I know what you did I'd just like to see.

To setup a grunz clip like in that water early, you can get on the ledge where you want to fall through, climb up, sidehop right twice, sidehop left, sideroll, drop a bomb, sidehop left twice, sidehop right, sideroll and backwalk to the edge. If you were in the right spot to start with the bomb should push you through. Doesnt work for this clip so gl hf  :P
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #68 on: July 07, 2012, 09:17:54 AM »

I don't know if you can do this in MST, but also the silver block skip has been confirmed for Oot 3D. I'm not positive, but couldn't you potentially skip the entire child portion of the Spirit Temple with that? Of course you would need to do Shadow temple before it, so the temple order would end up being something like Forest, Water, Fire, Shadow, Spirit, that is if you don't get the golden gauntlets early and just completely skip the silver gauntlets. Again I don't know if you are allowed to skip the child portion of the dungeon in MST, though.
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #69 on: July 07, 2012, 09:56:34 AM »

As of right now we are getting gold gaunts after shadow, so child spirit is not at all necessary. What block skip are you talking about? That would be awesome because then we wouldn't even have to get gold gaunts.

Gamestabled, if that setup works then much respect earned. I'll get the adult gateskip recorded, and hopefully get fire/forest bk skip/gateskip up all tomorrow :D
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #70 on: July 07, 2012, 11:28:46 AM »

This is the silver block skip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DubDRFKs8g

With this you do not need silver or golden gauntlets to complete the Spirit Temple. I just tested it, and it saves a ton of time!


Also Din's Fire saves time in the spirite temple in the room with the 3 Anibuses/Anibi What would the plural for that be?) Anyways, just another reason to get Din's Fire. :)
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #71 on: July 07, 2012, 11:30:25 AM »

Oh one more thing! I'm sure you guys know this already, but the pillar in the fire temple can be easily skipped with a megaflip. Once again it saves a lot of time!
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #72 on: July 07, 2012, 11:35:00 AM »

Its funny that I forgot about silver block skip, because it wasnt that long ago that I saw it somewhere else. Well, gold gaunts early is out again.

Once you get the megaton hammer you can savewarp to the entrance, hookshot clip to the boss key chest, and megaflip to the door so everything after getting the hammer can be skipped.
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #73 on: July 07, 2012, 11:39:00 AM »

After you get the hammer you jump down the huge pit, open the door and hammer the pillar. Just wait for my video.
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #74 on: July 07, 2012, 11:42:17 AM »

Oh yeah that does sound faster Taylortot! I should have thought of that...
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #75 on: July 07, 2012, 01:58:16 PM »

Gamestabled, that setup isn't working for me, the first sideroll puts me way too far left and doesn't drop the bomb off the ledge. It works if I take out the first sideroll, and then barely tap left before I backwalk, but even then when I clip out I don't land in water which probably means the bomb is in the wrong place.
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #76 on: July 07, 2012, 02:41:08 PM »

I can make a video of my setup if you'd like. It's been fairly consistent for me. It won't be too pretty though since I don't have a great way of recording.
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #77 on: July 07, 2012, 03:32:18 PM »

Gamestabled, that setup isn't working for me, the first sideroll puts me way too far left and doesn't drop the bomb off the ledge. It works if I take out the first sideroll, and then barely tap left before I backwalk, but even then when I clip out I don't land in water which probably means the bomb is in the wrong place.

I havent actually done it in that spot, but its worked for me on every other grunz clip. I kinda forgot you need to go the right way to land in the water.
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #78 on: July 07, 2012, 03:58:27 PM »

I can make a video of my setup if you'd like. It's been fairly consistent for me. It won't be too pretty though since I don't have a great way of recording.

That would be cool if you could do that.

gamestabled, also the ground isn't flat so that messes up the sidehops.
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Re: MST Route Discussion
« Reply #79 on: July 07, 2012, 04:17:53 PM »

Alright I'll make a video, but I won't be able to record until a couple of hours however I will get it to you shortly.
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