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Zelda => Ocarina of Time 3D => Topic started by: thundrio on June 15, 2011, 04:35:22 PM

Title: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: thundrio on June 15, 2011, 04:35:22 PM
This is like the IL threads for other games, but this time we have an actual timer! after we get a bunch of submissions I (or whoever) can make a page on zsr, but I am lazy right now.

Rules:
1) Take a picture (remember to turn off the 3D first) of the final time displayed on boss select screen (not the time from killing the boss), and upload it.
2) Use the normal game (not master quest) for individual bosses, because I don't think the differences in normal boss fights warrant separate categories. For the boss gauntlet, the original and master quest version are separate categories.

if anybody thinks i forgot something, or wishes to dispute the rules go ahead.

Time are now featured on their own page!

http://zeldaspeedruns.com/oot3d/speedruns/boss-time-attack
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: maxx on June 17, 2011, 11:23:06 AM
If MQ is any different I think we should track times for both. Otherwise rules look good from what I can tell. We can tweak them if something comes up.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: thundrio on June 17, 2011, 01:19:25 PM
there are 3 differences in MQ for boss attack i believe.

1) Less items available

2) mirrored rooms

3) bosses do double damage

I didnt think these changes warrented another table for these reasons.

1) with deku stick doing normal power and pcs being gone, i dont see how item changes could effect time (unless they did something silly like give you ice arrows in normal and not MQ, or biggoron sword).

2) i dont think mirrored rooms matter really because boss rooms are pretty much symmetrical.

3) in a time attack you shouldnt be getting hit anyway, so this really doesnt matter.

of course if any of these reasons actually do play a difference in time, i will add a second table.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Narcissa Wright on June 17, 2011, 05:19:10 PM
http://www21.atwiki.jp/zeldarta/pages/30.html

JP wiki for Boss times... and probably full game runs
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on June 17, 2011, 05:24:27 PM
3) in a time attack you shouldnt be getting hit anyway, so this really doesnt matter.

I'm not exactly sure if that is true, I would think. For example, one chest leading up to Barinade contains Deku Nuts. The time stops when you get the chest item, so you only lose the time that it takes to deviate off the optimal path to the warp spot to get to the chest and such. It's like a second or less. And as we all know, Deku Nuts insta-kill the Bari in phase 2 and 3 of the Barinade battle, so I'd suspect the trade off there is worth it. And on King Dodongo, you don't actually have any bombs if you don't pick up the bombs from one of the chests after defeating Gohma. You have to run to a Bomb Flower, and I'm pretty sure that adds a few seconds on the first toss since you can't get around KD in time to get the bomb behind him, so you have to run to the one behind you and then run back.

http://www21.atwiki.jp/zeldarta/pages/30.html

JP wiki for Boss times... and probably full game runs

Eck, wth @ Gohma time. Is PCS still in JPN version or something? I just retried the KD boss battle after seeing that time. (sorry for bad quality, cell phone cam - will take a better photo later if it's still suspect) Edit: co-worker snapped a better photo for me, so there.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: maxx on June 17, 2011, 07:14:19 PM
Yeah until an AR device comes out for 3DS or anything like that, I think picture proof is fine. Maybe if we start getting a lot of questionable submissions, but to start things off I think everyone would be able to participate more if we only used pictures for time.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on June 17, 2011, 07:31:39 PM
Yeah until an AR device comes out for 3DS or anything like that, I think picture proof is fine. Maybe if we start getting a lot of questionable submissions, but to start things off I think everyone would be able to participate more if we only used pictures for time.

Yea, I don't think there are any AR/GS devices yet, and even though I've heard people have dumped ROMs, there's nothing to play them on yet, so no chance of modified versions of a game...yet. I wasn't actually submitting a time I guess, just showing that I think perhaps that time on the JPN site isn't quite indicative of what the better times will eventually be. Still, that Gohma time is bugging me. I always come up one jump attack short of the first cycle, and that's if I'm spot on (usually I'm two jump attacks short). Maybe there's a chance that time is for beating Gohma in-game, not necessarily in Boss Rush? I'm sure it's probably something obvious that a video will show off eventually. Would be cool if somebody figured out a way to pull of some kind of cancelling ability that cuts down on recovery time after doing a jump attack. Also, has anyone verified that you can keep continuously attacking certain enemies/bosses with properly timed attacks? Haven't really tried that out just yet.

Figured it out below.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Kaztalek on June 17, 2011, 08:47:33 PM
greenalink said you can 1 cycle gohma with deku stick hits.. lmao
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on June 17, 2011, 09:12:10 PM
greenalink said you can 1 cycle gohma with deku stick hits.. lmao

::) You don't get Deku Sticks in the Boss Rush mode for the battle against Gohma. However, you can beat her in one cycle.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: thundrio on June 18, 2011, 09:03:43 PM
your kd pic leads to the ghoma pic, i cant add the time until i see a pic of it for proof.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on June 18, 2011, 09:38:47 PM
Ok, I just figured out how to beat Gohma in 1 cycle without Deku Sticks. After stunning her, hit her with a swing as you draw your sword, jupm attack 4x, mash out final swing. Only took 10 attempts to figure it out. Got 7.56 (pic later, at friends house with crappy cell phone). Congrats on tying thr KD mark.

Queen Gohma: 7:56 (pic incoming later Sunday when roommate with camera returns)
King Dodongo: 37:46 (http://i56.tinypic.com/10fvwr6.jpg)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: maxx on June 19, 2011, 12:55:33 AM
Ok, I just figured out how to beat Gohma in 1 cycle without Deku Sticks. After stunning her, hit her with a swing as you draw your sword, jupm attack 4x, mash out final swing. Only took 10 attempts to figure it out. Got 7.56 (pic later, at friends house with crappy cell phone). Congrats on tying thr KD mark.

Queen Gohma: 7:56 (pic incoming later Sunday when roommate with camera returns)
King Dodongo: 37:46 (http://i56.tinypic.com/10fvwr6.jpg)

It's simpler than you think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfpnqCung80

Your way is probably faster though.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on June 19, 2011, 03:40:20 PM
It's simpler than you think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfpnqCung80

Your way is probably faster though.

Heh, so you can keep her down with timed attacks. Cool.

Here's a quick video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96FPTMpSVyw) showing my two times for QG/KD - I'll be able to do direct feed vids probably this week, so if I do any more times, I'll capture the whole thing. Switch the vid to 720p to get the time sorta clear. Audio in bg is NorCal MvC3 team finals stream.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Narcissa Wright on June 20, 2011, 12:28:44 PM
Is there a list of all the chest contents for the gauntlet?
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: thundrio on June 20, 2011, 12:54:54 PM
I think zelda dungeon said they were going to make one. they dont have it up yet
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: aleckermit on June 20, 2011, 07:30:34 PM
.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on June 20, 2011, 08:23:13 PM
37:40 on King Dodongo.

(http://i52.tinypic.com/72q0c1.jpg)



Don't have a good camera so deal with it.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on June 20, 2011, 09:43:35 PM
(http://i53.tinypic.com/108gx0z.jpg)

32.43 on Volvagia.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on June 20, 2011, 09:59:28 PM
Putting Japan on notice.

6.66 (http://i51.tinypic.com/6jp0g2.jpg) on Queen Gohma. And I'm pretty confident I can do faster.

Congrats on the KD time Pokey.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: aleckermit on June 20, 2011, 10:35:35 PM
Morpha in 33.83

(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9756/morpha3383.jpg)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on June 20, 2011, 11:13:06 PM
Morpha in 32.03 (http://i55.tinypic.com/23upsmg.jpg). That's all for me tonight.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on June 21, 2011, 08:02:12 AM
53.33 on Phantom Ganon:

(http://i55.tinypic.com/155pc43.jpg)

With power crouch stab gone it is impossible to get 2 cycle (6 jumpslashes). So I came up with a strat to get a fast 3 cycle.

I put my finger at the bottom to help see the numbers. It takes away the white blob that you saw on the first picture I took (not on here anymore)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on June 21, 2011, 09:58:12 AM
With power crouch stab gone it is impossible to get 2 cycle (6 jumpslashes). So I came up with a strat to get a fast 3 cycle.

I put my finger at the bottom to help see the numbers. It takes away the white blob that you saw on the first picture I took (not on here anymore)

It is not impossible to get 2 cycles. From an earlier post:

You can beat him in 2 cycles. Keep close to him, hit fireball back at him at Jump Slash range, jump slash immediately to hit him as he falls, but before he touches ground. If you did that right, you bounce back a bit. Mash out two more Jump Attacks, and they will land (you'll be perfectly aligned so you won't slide left/right/behind him after jump attack animation). Just did this on boss rush mode.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on June 21, 2011, 11:51:26 AM
24.73 on Morpha:

(http://i52.tinypic.com/33k6sr6.jpg)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on June 21, 2011, 12:29:35 PM
18:40 on Bongo Bongo:

(http://i52.tinypic.com/2uztu1i.jpg)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Narcissa Wright on June 21, 2011, 12:37:39 PM
MEGA-PWN!!!!!

(http://i.imgur.com/wotzp.jpg)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Narcissa Wright on June 21, 2011, 01:28:16 PM
rofl

(http://i.imgur.com/EybYQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on June 21, 2011, 10:12:22 PM
rofl

(http://i.imgur.com/EybYQ.jpg)

Ha, that's some serious ownage.

So any chance that once we start providing actual videos anyone would be in favor of revising the rules to end the timer upon the death blow? The timer always freezes on that to play out the death animation, so there would be no difficulty in discerning that time. I think it's kinda screwy to have times on some of these boil down to how close you are to the warp portal or bad camera angles for moving to the warp. Otherwise, I can see this all eventually coming down to who can "move" the fastest to the warp races.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Narcissa Wright on June 21, 2011, 10:41:55 PM
I strongly disagree for a couple reasons-- we finally have a legit ingame timer which (so far) seems to be un-abusable.

I know rolling at a warp isn't really what a boss fight is all about, but these things are gonna be a frame-war anyway (especially king dodongo)

Also in my spare time I might do a bunch of boss runs but not really have a desire/means to record at that given time, so I like the screenshot proofs, especially that the 3ds isn't hackable at the moment.

finally, it seems in many cases the location of Link and the camera are always the same after the boss death cutscene. This is true of twinrova, PG, Bongo, Gohma?? Volvagia?? I'm not sure about all of these but it seems something that can be 'practiced' and not really left up to a lucky camera.

plus I have no clue what my time was defeating bongo, only the end time, lol
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on June 22, 2011, 07:33:35 AM
I strongly disagree for a couple reasons-- we finally have a legit ingame timer which (so far) seems to be un-abusable.

I know rolling at a warp isn't really what a boss fight is all about, but these things are gonna be a frame-war anyway (especially king dodongo)

Also in my spare time I might do a bunch of boss runs but not really have a desire/means to record at that given time, so I like the screenshot proofs, especially that the 3ds isn't hackable at the moment.

finally, it seems in many cases the location of Link and the camera are always the same after the boss death cutscene. This is true of twinrova, PG, Bongo, Gohma?? Volvagia?? I'm not sure about all of these but it seems something that can be 'practiced' and not really left up to a lucky camera.

plus I have no clue what my time was defeating bongo, only the end time, lol


Yea, right now it's mainly Morpha that bugs me. And yes, you're correct on most of these, the camera angle/position is pre-set after the death animation completes (King Dodongo is always the same, for instance). I guess the more repetition, the more familiar it will be for everyone. I just personally don't like the 3DS analog pad, and compared to the N64 stick and even the GCN stick, I can't move as precisely (still hard to run straight at times, backwalking frequently interrupted by inadvertent diagonal walks, etc). Again, probably just an issue of need to play more and become comfortable with the pad.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on June 22, 2011, 07:46:10 AM
TSA how did you get a 6.66 on Gohma? And what did "Putting Japan on notice" mean?
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on June 22, 2011, 08:03:18 AM
TSA how did you get a 6.66 on Gohma? And what did "Putting Japan on notice" mean?

1) I put the strategy above. I'll make (should be able to) a video today to show it in real-time so you guys can use it.
2) That's just a phrase that's used in many avenues, but I was using it in the context of how the fighting game community uses it. It's just a playful taunt. The Japanese wiki times are still above 7 seconds, so that's why I said it to Japan.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Narcissa Wright on June 22, 2011, 03:05:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/twWCB.jpg)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: aleckermit on June 22, 2011, 03:46:23 PM
KD in 37.43

(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4598/kd3743.jpg)

I'm coming for you Pokey  8)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on June 22, 2011, 09:07:29 PM
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2qtkcoo.jpg)

Barinade sucks without deku nuts. I'm giving up on it and just using this time.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: aleckermit on June 23, 2011, 09:38:50 PM
Gauntlet in 7:30.90

(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7366/gauntlet73090.jpg)

Shit's hard. Lots of luck involved.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Narcissa Wright on June 23, 2011, 10:16:06 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/12Vhh.jpg)

more ppl should post times even if not perfect to fill up the board :)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: aleckermit on June 23, 2011, 11:10:16 PM
TwinRova in 2:01.70

(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/816/tr20170.jpg)

First phase is everything.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: D U F I on June 24, 2011, 06:25:39 AM
Morpha in 28:06

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/zeldapng.jpg/

Sorry about the quality but there is nothing I can do about it atm.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Greenalink on June 24, 2011, 08:24:38 AM
I'm not going to make serious runs on this until my 3DS is modded with the add on.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on June 24, 2011, 10:07:25 AM
Pooped on:
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2vuy0ch.jpg)

(Gohma in 6.53)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: ZeldaPlayer37 on June 24, 2011, 12:15:01 PM
EDIT-New Time
Morpha-27.96

(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8043/img0022nlh.jpg)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on June 24, 2011, 12:37:22 PM
1 frame improvement:
(http://i52.tinypic.com/11ttord.jpg)

I think this is maxed out. At least I know I will NEVER even attempt to improve this.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Majora MIM on June 24, 2011, 01:23:46 PM
Volcania: 35.23
(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1922/photo0997.jpg)

Morpha: 26.26
(http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6785/photo0999x.jpg)

Twinrova: 2.03.90
(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/282/photo0996.jpg)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: stonenot on June 25, 2011, 09:19:50 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/roJsO.jpg)

33.96 Volvagia. Sorry for the REALLY bad quality, i took the picture with my phone and it's old.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on June 25, 2011, 11:54:53 AM
6.40 on Gohma - http://i53.tinypic.com/24llbmd.jpg
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: thundrio on June 25, 2011, 12:16:08 PM
just a note for people with bad cameras, its hard to tell how your taking the picture, but if you turn flash off you might get a better quality picture.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Hitaka on June 26, 2011, 06:05:57 PM
EDIT: 32.30 on Volvagia

(http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj84/HitakaPhoenix/IMG_0653.jpg)

This is the best picture I've gotten so far, and it was with the flash on, with my finger half-covering it.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on June 26, 2011, 10:47:26 PM
Here is a quick video of me getting 6.66 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBDxjCosa1o) on Queen Gohma on a quick attempt just to show off my strategy. Video still shows 6.40 is my best time. I also scrolled through the other times to show my Morpha in 25.83. Aside from King Dodongo, I haven't made serious attempts at any of the other bosses or gauntlet.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: thundrio on June 27, 2011, 08:15:29 AM
Decided to upload some times because I want to promote more competition. These are not nearly maxed, but most of them are halfway decent, and when I upload more times i will just update the pictures in this post, if you are looking for my proof.

Parasitic Armored Arachnid: Queen Gohma (7.86)
http://tinypic.com/r/2rneno1/7

Infernal Dinosaur: King Dodongo (37.56)
http://tinypic.com/r/hrzbs9/7

Bio-Electric Anemone: Barinade (1:04.23)
http://tinypic.com/r/x0v5v8/7

The Evil Spirit from Beyond: Phantom Ganon (1:01.26)
http://tinypic.com/r/210d309/7

Subterranean Lava Dragon: Volvagia (38.16)
http://tinypic.com/r/ljuqq/7

Morpha (32.33)
http://tinypic.com/r/k3rred/7

Phantom Shadow Beast: Bongo Bongo (21.56)
http://tinypic.com/r/331knly/7

Sorceress Sisters: Twinrova (2:42.36)
http://tinypic.com/r/2zstab5/7

Gauntlet: (9:25.20)
http://tinypic.com/r/34ecfac/7
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on June 27, 2011, 10:32:14 AM
I'm gonna start recording my boss time attack attempts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7pGFbmYq9U
Volvagia in 31.90
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Hitaka on June 27, 2011, 12:17:10 PM
31.00 Volvagia

(http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj84/HitakaPhoenix/IMG_0657.jpg)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: aleckermit on June 27, 2011, 04:02:05 PM
PG in 53.53

(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/194/pg5353.jpg)

Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: aleckermit on June 27, 2011, 06:40:11 PM
Bongo in 18.23:

(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/58/bongo1823.jpg)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: ZeldaPlayer37 on June 27, 2011, 08:08:46 PM

Volvagia-34.16

(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1281/img0027ug.jpg)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: aleckermit on June 27, 2011, 11:40:52 PM
GAUNNNNTTTLEEEETT in 7:24.30

(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/3502/gauntlet72430.jpg)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: aleckermit on June 28, 2011, 09:00:57 PM
Gauntlet in 6:57.23

(http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/6191/gauntlet65723.jpg)

I recorded this run on camcorder so I'll have a video soon too. Choked on TR phase 1 a little bit but the rest is really good.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: ZeldaPlayer37 on June 29, 2011, 12:25:11 AM
Gohma-6.76
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9237/img0030i.jpg

King Dodongo-38.06
http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/1296/img0033cu.jpg

Morpha-26.73
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/764/img0035xtk.jpg
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on June 29, 2011, 08:33:48 AM
Gohma in 6.16:
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2d96aro.jpg)


Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: TriforceBrawl3250 on June 29, 2011, 08:41:35 AM
The only boss that i've worked on  ;)

(http://i56.tinypic.com/vnp15f.jpg)

Barinade in 47.56
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on June 29, 2011, 09:14:36 AM
2 new times from me:
Barinade in 47.10:
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2il24qx.jpg)
Volvagia in 30.10:
(http://i52.tinypic.com/33az71v.jpg)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: TriforceBrawl3250 on June 29, 2011, 02:18:00 PM
sorry for these huge photos  :-\

Barinade in 46.33

Pokey don't destroy my time so quickly! I'm tired of running this guy!

(http://i54.tinypic.com/b4evl1.jpg)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on June 29, 2011, 04:41:45 PM
<333
(http://i54.tinypic.com/1zyutt.jpg)

(Bongo in 15.96)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on June 29, 2011, 05:00:16 PM
2 new times:
(http://i51.tinypic.com/n6tif6.jpg)
(Barinade in 45:63)
(http://i51.tinypic.com/hv9lk5.jpg)
(Gauntlet in 6:56.26 just to make Alec mad :O)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: TriforceBrawl3250 on June 29, 2011, 05:16:35 PM
You're insane Pokey.

Barinade in 45.60

(http://i56.tinypic.com/e6yphk.jpg)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on June 29, 2011, 06:04:42 PM
45.16
(http://i56.tinypic.com/20qju4i.jpg)

We can do this all day
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: TriforceBrawl3250 on June 29, 2011, 07:05:27 PM
44.70
(http://i53.tinypic.com/ivg13a.jpg)

This time just keeps getting better and better.
Take the prize Pokey, show me a sub 44 ;)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Anavrin on June 29, 2011, 09:03:12 PM
37.40 on Dodongo

(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2182/1106300117000.th.jpg) (http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2182/1106300117000.jpg)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: aleckermit on June 30, 2011, 09:07:58 PM
TR in 1:58.86

(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3594/tr15886.jpg)

Ugh... what a bitch of a boss. Mildly improvable... maybe 1.5 seconds at the very most I would think.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: george on July 01, 2011, 02:07:08 AM
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0192.jpg (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0192.jpg)

6.13 on Gohma.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Anavrin on July 01, 2011, 02:25:42 AM
Dodongo in 37.36 (Tied with Pokey in 1st place :))

(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4720/1107010616001.th.jpg) (http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4720/1107010616001.jpg)
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: george on July 01, 2011, 10:58:20 AM
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0194.jpg (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0194.jpg)

Bongo Bongo in 13.83
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on July 01, 2011, 02:18:08 PM
How is that even possible?
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Narcissa Wright on July 01, 2011, 04:33:58 PM
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0194.jpg (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0194.jpg)

Bongo Bongo in 13.83

the fuck?
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: george on July 01, 2011, 07:25:17 PM
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0195.jpg (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0195.jpg)
Bongo Bongo in 12.66

Probably still improveable.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Narcissa Wright on July 01, 2011, 08:58:38 PM
Everytime somebody beats my bongo time I keep getting new ideas... I think I see how you may be doing this

edit: no I don't. shit haha
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: george on July 03, 2011, 02:33:31 PM
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0197.jpg (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0197.jpg)
Bongo Bongo 12.50

Okay, I'm satisfied with this time.

It's done by manipulating Bongo Bongo to move his left hand right in front of you at the very beginning of the fight. To do that, hold back at the very beginning. Mash X and you should land a hit on the first hand no problem, which stops his right hand from bouncing you. Use gyroscopic aiming to quickly hit his right hand and then his eye. To kill him, L-Target and Stab, Jump Slash, L-Target Stab, Jump Slash, Jump Slash, and then Crouch Stab until he's dead. Crouch Stabbing instead of using L-Targeting might be better. I haven't messed with it. Also, it might be possible to get 4 Jump Slashes. Still a lot to work around with.

Edit: http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Mobile%20Uploads/Photo0199.jpg (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Mobile%20Uploads/Photo0199.jpg)
11.86

I think it may be time to focus on some new bosses. Squeezed one more attack in before the last Jump Slash.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on July 04, 2011, 08:44:06 AM
No. You aren't getting low times doing crouch stabs.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: stonenot on July 04, 2011, 08:52:13 AM
George, most digital cameras/camera phones have a built in video recorder. You should record and try to get a high 12.XX or something. 11 is really unbelievable by me.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: WannaGoFast on July 04, 2011, 09:36:33 AM
hey guys, long time sequence breaker and lurker, newbie speed runner here.

not great with speed tricks.

was wondering if you could share strategy for dodongo king, volvagia and phantom ganon?

what are the best ways to damage once bosses are stunned?

i have got 6.63 for gohma and still think there is room for improvement - the best i have got on last slash is 5.73 and i know i can do better. how can i go faster to the blue circle? best i can do is .83 secs but normally it's .87 or .90.. :x

thanks, will try to post more actively and contribute to the oot 3ds cause!
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: thundrio on July 04, 2011, 04:43:16 PM
@wannagofast, jumplash all bosses except for ghoma/morpha/bongo. on those bosses you time your attacks to keep them vulnerable(you might mix in a few jumpslashes though). 
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: george on July 04, 2011, 04:46:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OutX2izXQno
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on July 04, 2011, 05:42:19 PM
You shouldn't be able to kill Bongo in that little amount of crouch stabs.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: george on July 04, 2011, 07:19:31 PM
How do you figure? Bongo Bongo takes 18 regular Master Sword attacks. Jump Slashes do double damage. So once Bongo is stunned, slash, jump slash, slash, jump slash, slash, jump slash, and 9 crouch stabs. How does that not equal 18?
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Hitaka on July 04, 2011, 07:39:01 PM
Yeah, I counted. He does 36 damage total. The three slash-jumpslash combos alone take half his health.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on July 04, 2011, 08:43:25 PM
Crouch stabs do half the damage as regular slashes. That's why it takes longer to crouch stab Morpha that use regular slashes. Maybe crouch stabs do half the damage as your previous attack or something. Will someone test?
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Hitaka on July 04, 2011, 09:10:57 PM
Crouch stabs do the same as a normal slash. I tried them after normal slashing and after jump slashing, and it always took two hits to kill a blue tektite with MS.

I don't really see the point of the crouch stabs though, normal slashes do the same damage. Speed isn't an issue because of his invincibility frames.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Narcissa Wright on July 05, 2011, 05:04:53 AM
master sword crouch stabs always do 2 damage.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on July 07, 2011, 01:14:12 PM
http://www.ign.com/wikis/the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-3d/Boss_Rush_Leaderboard

Apparently IGN is tracking times. Some of the times here are listed there. They only show the leaders.
Title: Re: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Anavrin on July 07, 2011, 05:02:44 PM
Speaking of leaders, I've submitted a TWR a few day ago and the list didn't get updated :/

Dodongo in 37.36 (Tied with Pokey in 1st place :))

(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4720/1107010616001.th.jpg) (http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4720/1107010616001.jpg)
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on July 08, 2011, 07:51:58 AM
poopety poop

(http://i52.tinypic.com/iz2rd0.jpg)
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on July 08, 2011, 09:20:32 AM
Gohma in 5.86 (http://www.gemakei.com/other/gohma.jpg)
Volvagia in 32.30 (http://www.gemakei.com/other/volvagia.jpg)
Twinrova in 2:00.86 (http://www.gemakei.com/other/twinrova.jpg)

Gohma in 5.60 is for certain possible. Maybe faster.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Emperor91 on July 09, 2011, 08:00:47 AM
My records :

Gohma - 6.06
King Dodongo - 37.43
Barinade - 46.16
Phantom Ganon - 53.76
Volvagia - 32.10
Morpha - 23.50
Bongo Bongo - 17.36
Twinrova - 2.04.96
Gauntlet - 7.19.36
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Narcissa Wright on July 09, 2011, 08:52:34 AM
Emperor91: we require picture proof

(http://i.imgur.com/4Lvrj.jpg)
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Emperor91 on July 09, 2011, 10:32:54 PM
Okay  :)
There is some photos at first...

Gohma - 6.06 : http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/gohma606.jpg/
Morpha - 23.50 : http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/morpha.jpg/
Phantom Ganon - 52.46 : http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/phantomganon.jpg/
Volvagia - 32.10 : http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/volvagia.jpg/

Volvagia quality is pretty bad.

Crazy Bongo Bongo record Cosmo, I donīt really success do anything great at this boss  :(
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: george on July 11, 2011, 01:49:53 PM
Gohma - 5.80 seconds (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0204.jpg)
Bongo Bongo - 11.73 seconds (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0205.jpg)

I've killed Gohma in 5.60, but I don't know if getting to the teleport before time starts ticking again and maintaining that time is possible.
I'm pretty sure Bongo Bongo is possible in 11.70, maybe even faster.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on July 11, 2011, 04:59:27 PM
Gohma - 5.80 seconds (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0204.jpg)
Bongo Bongo - 11.73 seconds (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/georgetheplushie/Photo0205.jpg)

I've killed Gohma in 5.60, but I don't know if getting to the teleport before time starts ticking again and maintaining that time is possible.
I'm pretty sure Bongo Bongo is possible in 11.70, maybe even faster.

If you're angled to the side of the portal, you can side hop (this I actually have not been able to replicate very often) and reach the portal with no time elapsed. That's how I got my 5.86 - I killed Gohma in 5.86 and somehow side hopped to the portal without wasting any time. I have also killed her in 5.60, so that's why I said 5.60 is possible, but each time I've done that, the side hop didn't work.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: george on July 11, 2011, 06:52:24 PM
If you're angled to the side of the portal, you can side hop (this I actually have not been able to replicate very often) and reach the portal with no time elapsed. That's how I got my 5.86 - I killed Gohma in 5.86 and somehow side hopped to the portal without wasting any time. I have also killed her in 5.60, so that's why I said 5.60 is possible, but each time I've done that, the side hop didn't work.
Yeah, that's how I got my 5.8. It's kind of a weird issue. It definitely seems like a bug. I constantly get jump attacks when I try to roll to portals. Perhaps it happens when you hit A on the first possible frame.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on July 11, 2011, 07:43:37 PM
Wait what? I killed Gohma in 5:00 on my 5:86. What am I doing wrong going to the warp? I'm just rolling.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: george on July 11, 2011, 08:36:38 PM
It's possible to manipulate how close to the portal you'll be after killing Gohma simply by the direction Gohma is facing when she is stunned. If you're close enough to the portal, you can get to it without the timer starting again. Basically, by sacrificing a small amount of time to get slightly closer to the portal, you save time on the timer since it won't count after she dies.

Unfortunately, the race to the portal is more important than killing the boss.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on July 11, 2011, 09:46:52 PM
Wait what? I killed Gohma in 5:00 on my 5:86. What am I doing wrong going to the warp? I'm just rolling.

I posted the method in the Gohma thread, probably should have just posted it here. Basically, you roll past Gohma (or use whatever means you feel is most efficient to go around her) and lock-on to her in the process of moving by her. Then you kill her as we all have been doing. When George and I said 5.60 is our fastest time to kill Gohma, it meant using this new stat. I think 5.13 was the fastest I killed her straight up, and my best time to get to the portal when killing her from the front is .80 seconds.

Except for Phantom Ganon and Volvagia (where it's reasonably easy to get no time elapsed rolling to the portal and it's always in the same spot), all of these runs are going to come down to "getting to the portal races", which IMO stinks.

Basically, by sacrificing a small amount of time to get slightly closer to the portal, you save time on the timer since it won't count after she dies.

Theoretically, since there seems to be a small window of time when the clock begins and Gohma is invulnerable, you're not wasting as much time (and possibly none) by using that window more efficiently than waiting for the eye to turn red. One time, and only one time, I managed to roll straight at Gohma, get damage boosted behind her with lock-on and fired the seed while being knocked back, but I screwed up on the execution of the attacks (I sometimes sidehop when trying to jump slash at that weird angle). I'm pretty sure if I had done my best execution, faster then 5.60 on that start would have been possible.

 I think the person who developed this route was familiar with the Deku Scrub trick in Great Deku Tree, where you move around it while it's ready to fire, using the window where it is preparing to fire to gain distance to the door, so when you hit it and get the dialogue box, you're closer to your goal than if you just stood there.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Majora MIM on July 12, 2011, 06:10:18 AM
You can tsc to go oob in volvagia's room but I haven't been able to hit him with an arrow.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Emperor91 on July 12, 2011, 07:04:08 AM
Gohma - 5.70
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/89/gohma570.jpg/

Phantom Ganon - 51.30
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/phantomganon5130.jpg/

At Gohma I had 5.66 boss fight, time ran one frame when going portal :/
Phantom Ganon pretty good at strategy I used, itīs not pure 2 round kill.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: george on July 12, 2011, 10:05:21 AM
You can tsc to go oob in volvagia's room but I haven't been able to hit him with an arrow.
Yeah, I messed around with that hoping to be able to hit Volvagia, but I doubt you can do it unless a way to hover is found. I also tried the technique to clip my arrow shots through the center pillar, but the arrows just end up hitting the lava.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: GeneraLight on July 12, 2011, 01:48:36 PM
Yeah, you can't use your slingshot for the first second or so of the Gohma boss battle. L-Target and move behind her to where the portal is, and Gohma will turn around to face you.

I think rolling is actually slower because by the time you finish rolling, the window will be over and Gohma will lunge at you while trying to get your slingshot out.

I've killed Gohma in 5.6, and being right where the portal is would preserve that time.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on July 12, 2011, 03:22:12 PM
I think rolling is actually slower because by the time you finish rolling, the window will be over and Gohma will lunge at you while trying to get your slingshot out.

I've killed Gohma in 5.6, and being right where the portal is would preserve that time.

So do you strafe around her, or do you sidehop? I've never actually gotten 5.60 and been right on the warp spot, so I think maybe I'm not doing the "movement" part correctly at the start. I roll, and in mid-roll, L-target Gohma, then I do a variable of things after (side hop, strafe, backflip, etc), but in none of my attempts have I actually been right on the portal. Maybe a vid of seeing that would explain it better.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: GeneraLight on July 12, 2011, 07:12:07 PM
So do you strafe around her, or do you sidehop? I've never actually gotten 5.60 and been right on the warp spot, so I think maybe I'm not doing the "movement" part correctly at the start. I roll, and in mid-roll, L-target Gohma, then I do a variable of things after (side hop, strafe, backflip, etc), but in none of my attempts have I actually been right on the portal. Maybe a vid of seeing that would explain it better.
I just got 6.16 by rolling around Gohma and L-Targeting in the process. My finish time was 6.10, and because I was behind her, the portal was right next to me.

0.06 portal race time
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Majora MIM on July 13, 2011, 07:14:38 AM
Morpha c'est ma te-pu!
19,70!
I have tried to send the pic to cosmo by mail, I don't know if he will get it.

Also, I managed to longshot morpha before the fight with the amelioration of hookshot clip. I've a vid of it but you can't hit her before the fight start.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: thundrio on July 13, 2011, 08:14:33 AM
y not post it in this thread. thats the easiest way to post the picture, plus i update the times more than cosmo.

<-<
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: GeneraLight on July 13, 2011, 03:40:08 PM
Gohma - 6.06
http://i54.tinypic.com/11akape.jpg (http://i54.tinypic.com/11akape.jpg)

King Dodongo - 37.53
http://i52.tinypic.com/vzvspy.jpg (http://i52.tinypic.com/vzvspy.jpg)

Morpha - 25.2
http://i53.tinypic.com/29dtgdc.jpg (http://i53.tinypic.com/29dtgdc.jpg)

Phamtom Ganon - 58.5
http://i52.tinypic.com/24ljtbc.jpg (http://i52.tinypic.com/24ljtbc.jpg)
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Emperor91 on July 15, 2011, 01:54:27 AM
Volvagia - 31.70
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/volvagia.jpg/

Bongo Bongo - 12.26
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/bongobongo.jpg/
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: No1 Inparticular on July 15, 2011, 11:57:36 AM
King Dodongo - 37.36
http://s1122.photobucket.com/albums/l540/No1Inparticular1232/?action=view&current=Untitled651.jpg

Sorry about the quality...
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Majora MIM on July 16, 2011, 02:32:00 AM
http://hpics.li/7533d08
Picture proof for morpha.

46,30 barinade: http://hpics.li/941a3d6

31,56 volcania: http://hpics.li/ecf0030

15,66 bongo-bongo: http://hpics.li/6f61ac8

53,83 phanom ganon: http://hpics.li/9dbb925

37,63 KD (yeh i suck at kd): http://hpics.li/edcf3d6


Morpha before fight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4GGYwW65m4

6,60 gohma: http://hpics.li/10811e2
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: HappySalesman on July 18, 2011, 12:28:18 PM
Ghoma, 6.10

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad200/p8ntballsniper87/DSC01239.jpg

Funny how the camera took a clear picture only when I had the 3D turned on >>
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Narcissa Wright on July 20, 2011, 10:42:26 PM
bongo bongo 11.53
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB0rNHaiYgE
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on July 25, 2011, 05:00:30 PM
Gohma in 5.80 (http://i52.tinypic.com/30suhp1.jpg)
FYI - We also got our retail direct feed capture unit for the 3DS finally. I captured a 5.83 attempt today. While it's not better than my best time, what's important is it shows the double side hop to the warp portal in no time. While I still can't pull it off consistently, I am getting it to work about 1 in 5 times. Once the video is posted, I'll link to it here. Hopefully it is of some use to refining the strategy.

Edit: Video is up: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/sdcc-11-the-legend/718039
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: GeneraLight on July 25, 2011, 07:23:47 PM
Gohma: 5.96 seconds

http://i.imgur.com/SVuqZ.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/SVuqZ.jpg)

EDIT: 5.90
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Greenalink on July 26, 2011, 01:16:43 PM
Quote
We also got our retail direct feed capture unit for the 3DS finally

Nice, I saw the video featured on GoNintendo.com (nothing too special, just a mini news saying more clips and when I saw that video I thought of you).

Does that mean your retail direct feed capture unit can finally record DSiWare (and 3DSWare) games directly now?
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: GeneraLight on July 26, 2011, 01:41:18 PM
Gohma in 5.80 (http://i52.tinypic.com/30suhp1.jpg)
FYI - We also got our retail direct feed capture unit for the 3DS finally. I captured a 5.83 attempt today. While it's not better than my best time, what's important is it shows the double side hop to the warp portal in no time. While I still can't pull it off consistently, I am getting it to work about 1 in 5 times. Once the video is posted, I'll link to it here. Hopefully it is of some use to refining the strategy.

Edit: Video is up: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/sdcc-11-the-legend/718039
Wow, great job. Why does the timer stop when sidehopping? Definitely going to try this.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on July 26, 2011, 01:43:46 PM
Nice, I saw the video featured on GoNintendo.com (nothing too special, just a mini news saying more clips and when I saw that video I thought of you).

Does that mean your retail direct feed capture unit can finally record DSiWare (and 3DSWare) games directly now?

Yes, it can capture DSiWare, 3DSWare, Virtual Console, 3D Classics, and even DS games.

Wow, great job. Why does the timer stop when sidehopping?

How to actually execute it is up for debate currently. Current theories I put forward are:

1) Input in the frame(s) before final blow carry over, so if you side hop after final blow, it will come out. I personally suspect this is the least likely cause.

2) Input in frame(s) after you regain control of Link after death cutscene. If you get in a side hop in that window, Link side hops.

3) Directional input/Camera confusion when you regain control might be another explanation. There have been times I have done the sidehops without ever pressing L, but by just pressing A. And sometimes I jump slash without pressing L after I regain control.

The one consistent is that every time I've done the side hop trick, I've never held just right, but diagonally down and right (SE direction).

As to WHY it works, no clue. I've actually had the side hopping work but time still elapsed (usually around .1 seconds). This is something that will probably be figured out when emulation roles around.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: GeneraLight on July 26, 2011, 01:58:22 PM
2 seems like the most likely cause. 3 has happened to me before.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Majora MIM on July 27, 2011, 05:58:06 AM
Some people say that you can find giant's knife in the big chest after Volvagia.

Chest content depend of the timer and I'm not sure you can find the GK when speedrunning gauntelet. But it means that we may find it somwhere before Twinrova which would allow to one cycle her in last phase.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: GeneraLight on July 27, 2011, 07:22:07 AM
Some people say that you can find giant's knife in the big chest after Volvagia.

Chest content depend of the timer and I'm not sure you can find the GK when speedrunning gauntelet. But it means that we may find it somwhere before Twinrova which would allow to one cycle her in last phase.
Slow down enough to get the Giant's Knife, then one cycle the rest of the bosses?
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Majora MIM on July 27, 2011, 09:24:28 AM
No. It would just be used to one cycle twinrova.
It breaks after five or six hits. So maybe two or three hits on morpha/bongo but no more. If we have to wait more than 30s then screw it.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on July 27, 2011, 06:40:43 PM
Almost had 5.56 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iN_16xYktg) on Gohma. So frustrated. Several 5.60-5.70s (finishing blow), but no double side hops on any of them to seal the deal. This just needs to happen so I can move on to the next boss already.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: UchihaSasuke on July 27, 2011, 08:26:02 PM
too bad about that mistake.

the video looked like it was in 60 fps.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: GeneraLight on July 27, 2011, 10:07:46 PM
ow that sucks.

I just did the sidehop method and didn't lose any time.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on July 28, 2011, 03:20:22 PM
37.40 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAgIaGNQ4OM) on King Dodongo. Should have had 37.36, but slight off center roll at end -_-.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pokey on July 29, 2011, 09:23:09 PM
you can get the GK after phantom ganon in gauntlet. i did 3 hits on bongo with it and it broke with 1 hit on twinrova
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Tailsko on July 30, 2011, 05:35:58 PM
http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac286/TailskoTheFemaleVixen/SANY0225.jpg (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac286/TailskoTheFemaleVixen/SANY0225.jpg) for King Dodongo!
http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac286/TailskoTheFemaleVixen/SANY0227.jpg (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac286/TailskoTheFemaleVixen/SANY0227.jpg) for Phantom Ganon!

Ignore the dates on the photo's please.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: beastmaster on July 31, 2011, 05:18:45 PM
56.76 seconds on phantom ganon
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pcct on August 05, 2011, 01:32:00 AM
Haven't played boss rush that much, but I finally came up with some decent times!

Gauntlet Mode 06:57:93
http://i.imgur.com/wJYRy.jpg

Barinade 51:43
http://i.imgur.com/anHK4.jpg

Morpha 26:00
http://i.imgur.com/tXqia.jpg
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Quick_learner on August 09, 2011, 01:37:03 AM
You should post individual (sticky) threads on how to speedrun different bosses. And other people can submit their strategies. just a suggstion.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: HappySalesman on August 11, 2011, 02:21:14 PM
Hate to do this, especially right after the site just updated.

Ghoma - 5.73 http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad200/p8ntballsniper87/DSC01302.jpg

Barinade - 50.96 http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad200/p8ntballsniper87/DSC01297.jpg

Sorry about the giant image D:
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on August 11, 2011, 11:00:46 PM
5.53 5.50 is possible on Gohma. Another screw up on hops to portal. Consistently getting 5.56-5.63 now, but seriously, can somebody please figure out how to trigger the side hops...this is getting annoying.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: GeneraLight on August 12, 2011, 07:25:07 PM
5.53 5.50 is possible on Gohma. Another screw up on hops to portal. Consistently getting 5.56-5.63 now, but seriously, can somebody please figure out how to trigger the side hops...this is getting annoying.
I think there's a window of time between the ending of Gohma's death scene and Link regaining movement. Side hopping during that frame of time could make Link side hop before the timer begins again. Or it could be side hopping immediately after the final hit on Gohma, then the game automatically registers your movement as a sidehop as soon as you regain control.

I think it all comes down to luck, really. If you're getting those times and are right next to the portal, I would just play it safe and roll.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on August 12, 2011, 08:12:17 PM
I think there's a window of time between the ending of Gohma's death scene and Link regaining movement. Side hopping during that frame of time could make Link side hop before the timer begins again. Or it could be side hopping immediately after the final hit on Gohma, then the game automatically registers your movement as a sidehop as soon as you regain control.

I think it all comes down to luck, really. If you're getting those times and are right next to the portal, I would just play it safe and roll.

My problem is the best time I've gotten by rolling is .16, but usually it's .36 or more. I am not literally right next to the portal ever. I'm always at least 1 hop distance, usually within 2 hops. So, to get a good time, I need the side hops to happen. Unless, by the video I posted, you can point out something I am doing wrong in terms of spacing. If I could be as close to the portal as say the end of Volvagia or Phantom Ganon's battle, then it's possible to get to the portal in no time or almost no time (maybe .03 ticked on).
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Majora MIM on August 13, 2011, 12:13:35 PM
I deleted my Morpha pic. Here is the new one:
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/52448520110722125848.jpg

Here are also the others:
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/57062420110722125835.jpg
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/38755420110722125827.jpg
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/76007620110722125840.jpg
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/76476220110722125900.jpg
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/62901320110722125905.jpg
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/36649520110726023442.jpg

I have got 5,93 Gohma and 37,60 KD but no pic yet.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Anavrin on August 13, 2011, 08:35:25 PM
PLEASE, for the love of... anything, put thumbnails instead!!!
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Majora MIM on August 15, 2011, 02:25:42 PM
PLEASE, for the love of... anything, put thumbnails instead!!!

Oops...  :-X Fixed.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Smith on August 16, 2011, 07:33:51 PM
Almost had 5.56 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iN_16xYktg) on Gohma. So frustrated. Several 5.60-5.70s (finishing blow), but no double side hops on any of them to seal the deal. This just needs to happen so I can move on to the next boss already.

This. I'm not getting an understanding how to get the double side hops. I can get 5.50 ~ 5.90 easy, but I lose so much time trying to roll to the portal.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: HappySalesman on August 18, 2011, 08:21:47 PM
5.53 5.50 is possible on Gohma. Another screw up on hops to portal. Consistently getting 5.56-5.63 now, but seriously, can somebody please figure out how to trigger the side hops...this is getting annoying.

At the very least, I've learned that it's not input in between the final strike hitting Ghoma, and her death animation playing. It's all input afterwards. I think it might be pressing the a button at just the right time either during her death animation (like towards the end or something) or right as it ends.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: CloudMax on August 18, 2011, 11:02:43 PM
At the very least, I've learned that it's not input in between the final strike hitting Ghoma, and her death animation playing. It's all input afterwards. I think it might be pressing the a button at just the right time either during her death animation (like towards the end or something) or right as it ends.

Couldn't you test using home buffering to see when the input start to function?
It is probably a slow and annoying way to test it, but it should atleast tell you when you're suppost to do your inputs.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: ZFG on August 19, 2011, 09:45:05 AM
Its the first frame you gain control, since the game hasn't completely taken you out of L targeting yet.  Then the second sidehop has to be the frame before you touch the ground.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: ZFG on August 25, 2011, 08:15:37 PM
(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/9715/barinade.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/29/barinade.jpg/)(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/8117/bongoz.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/820/bongoz.jpg/)(http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/3122/phantomganon.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/571/phantomganon.jpg/)(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8461/morpha.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/684/morpha.jpg/)(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5900/twinrova.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/200/twinrova.jpg/)(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/486/gauntletl.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/651/gauntletl.jpg/)
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on August 26, 2011, 12:43:10 AM
Not a new time, but here is the video of the 5.80 Gohma time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW-ZcymFSzo). This shows that time can still advance even when pulling off the side hops. I know ZFG pointed out "how" you can do the hops, but it would be nice to have an explanation as to why sometimes time doesn't advance, and others, it does. You can look at my 5.83 video (where time didn't advance) and 5.80 video (where time did advance .04 seconds) for reference.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: CrazyGamingNerd on August 29, 2011, 08:40:30 AM
Gohma in 5.76:                           King Dodongo in 37.36            Barinade in 48.13
(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_jvM8my7ZWd5khlWJLYGm8QpSQ.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=W26rcNFFt)(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_8AmVlPYaF5va6FZTzoiSJMZS.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=3p0nFFZOpg)(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_zUrdwGPczOBfjojPXZOXDCZJg.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=HBF5xunOu4)
Phantom Ganon in 49.80            Volvagia in 29.80                      Morpha in 21.73
(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_hkkEmW0pvq0UyZFMqM6GPHAe9.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=RxDU5xJsr)(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_K41j6lZ4psb7XSfgxPMj2Ybq.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=tLzG9bpmRs)(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_8vm9hzYNxsKm1gW7MB8yll0gl.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=sClW1H1PSS)
Bongo Bongo in 12.06              Twinrova in 1:56.96                   Boss Gauntlet 6:24.93
(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_pMwkGEUliEJD966i8D3lxDiz.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=3Obkb3g9OM)(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_u0dlKiQ0i9HYtq1tBQ8nQu5Lh.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=q2yiYyGXrt)(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_fuYx87zEol4B43qmXC4cxUzGW.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=VQTFa3Dc6q)
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: UchihaSasuke on August 30, 2011, 12:22:27 AM
nice times. you should try speedrunning the whole game given your skills.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Quick_learner on August 30, 2011, 07:06:02 AM
Can Someone help me? i have gotten a few times that i think are fast but could someone PLEASE tell me the sort of strategies people use for the bosses to speedrun them because i can't find it ANYWHERE online that doesn't say use the power crouch stab and deku sticks because i know those glitches dont work! i joined this site hoping i could get help in this area but i haven't found anywhere giving hints on how to defeat them in the times that you guys are all setting. :(  :(  :(  :'(
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: CrazyGamingNerd on August 30, 2011, 07:24:06 AM
Thanks, UchihaSasuke. :)
I'm not sure if I can do any run without any good recording device...

Anyways, I just found out yesterday that the game is even more broken.

King Dodongo in 28.10
(http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_H9Tk4geSF6o5wBppeKq8zvc.png) (http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=nLkTgqZVzb)

Can anyone guess how I got that? It is actually a horrible record. I can get near 20 seconds I believe.

Quick_Learner, I haven't gotten that many hints either. However, If you read through this topic you should be able to get a good Gohma, King Dodongo and Bongo Bongo record.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: qwerty1605 on August 30, 2011, 10:08:28 AM
Did you find a way to 2 cycle him?
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on August 30, 2011, 10:13:13 AM
Can anyone guess how I got that? It is actually a horrible record. I can get near 20 seconds I believe.

1) You found a way to interrupt his rolling so he doesn't roll as far?
2) You found a way to do more damage when he's vulnerable (either multiple hits or a single attack that is more powerful)?

Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: CrazyGamingNerd on August 30, 2011, 10:22:21 AM
No. None of those matters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYqexORST2Q

If you use the bottle while in the air the timer stops until you touch the ground again. Just like the timer stops when you hookshot to something. (Morpha battle).

My new record is 20.30, and it's still far from max.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on August 30, 2011, 10:29:52 AM
No. None of those matters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYqexORST2Q

If you use the bottle while in the air the timer stops until you touch the ground again. Just like the timer stops when you hookshot to something. (Morpha battle).

My new record is 20.30, and it's still far from max.

Ah, clever. I didn't know that about Morpha - so that's how people are getting faster times on that. Still working on Gohma (actually haven't touched OoT 3D in a week or so), but when I get that 5.50 on Gohma, I'll try this out on Dodongo and Morpha. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: CrazyGamingNerd on August 30, 2011, 10:34:56 AM
Yeah, this will pretty much give major improvements for most bosses. It would be really unfair not to tell this. At least in my opinion.

And good luck with Gohma. It's insane to get those side hops to work properly.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Mike on August 30, 2011, 10:49:37 AM
Yeah, this will pretty much give major improvements for most bosses. It would be really unfair not to tell this. At least in my opinion.

And good luck with Gohma. It's insane to get those side hops to work properly.

It's always good to have more people chiming in so better routes and tricks are figured out, so thanks for sharing. And good job on the times you got.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Emperor91 on August 30, 2011, 11:45:13 AM
Awesome found CGN  :o

Shame that all my records sucks now, but have to redo all records when playing game next time  :)
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: CloudMax on August 30, 2011, 11:50:24 AM
Aww. Does this mean that people will stop doing "legit" boss battles?
Why did they have to make it possible to manipulate the timer. It is just annoying :(

With this being said, it would be sweet if there was some kind of list for "real time". This would obviously require you to record though.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Emperor91 on August 30, 2011, 12:00:29 PM
I,m not thinking about stopping, I think I make timer manipulating records to my Master Quest save and keep regular records on normal quest save ;) I,m not sure if one site allow this trick, it's still timer manipulating, which is not allowed on that site.

Separating sounds like good thing if possible  :)
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Greenalink on August 30, 2011, 02:13:02 PM
Simple solution: 2 lists.
Runs without the time freeze tricks via bottle (more balanced for now like a Megaman 9/10 real time run)
The other with the time freeze tricks via bottle (more like Megaman 9 with pause buffering but with mini time freezes instead).
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: UchihaSasuke on August 30, 2011, 03:25:10 PM
this is when game breaking glitches become bad.

why couldn't the devs test this better?
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: No1 Inparticular on August 30, 2011, 06:23:05 PM
this is when game breaking glitches become bad.

why couldn't the devs test this better?

I agree...

They probably just didn't put too much effort into testing the boss rush feature because they figured it didn't really matter much to the "average" player.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: CloudMax on August 30, 2011, 11:56:40 PM
Simple solution: 2 lists.
Runs without the time freeze tricks via bottle (more balanced for now like a Megaman 9/10 real time run)
The other with the time freeze tricks via bottle (more like Megaman 9 with pause buffering but with mini time freezes instead).

Yeah, that is pretty much what I was thinking.
Except that the standard list will require you to record the battle now, as it is IMPOSSIBLE to know if someone has used the time freeze trick or not otherwise.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Majora MIM on August 31, 2011, 05:22:38 AM
I didn't use the freeze trick for my Morpha 19,70. Otherwise I would have got something like 18s.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: V92ify on August 31, 2011, 07:45:12 AM
Just a question, for volagua, can we use the same trick as N64, or the MajoraMIM's morpha trick?
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: Majora MIM on August 31, 2011, 07:52:03 AM
No you can't.

Non on peut pas.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: V92ify on August 31, 2011, 07:59:03 AM
Phantom Ganon looks like more easy, in 3D version, i can do something like 10-20 seconds...
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: aleckermit on August 31, 2011, 09:37:18 AM
Well this sucks. Boss times are now pointless :(
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: GeneraLight on August 31, 2011, 01:35:12 PM
Well this sucks. Boss times are now pointless :(
Not true. This glitch actually adds more skill to the boss challenges IMO
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: mzxrules on August 31, 2011, 09:25:11 PM
this is when game breaking glitches become bad.

why couldn't the devs test this better?

The better question would be, why did the devs even program timer stops in the first place? The timer should only stop for one reason, and that's the end of the fight.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: UchihaSasuke on September 01, 2011, 12:30:26 AM
and lol and behold, a bottle is what causes this glitch. another reason why the game should have been remade completely instead of just porting it.

i can't imagine the kind of dumb programming they would have done that lets bottles stop the timer.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: GeneraLight on September 01, 2011, 02:38:48 AM
Fighting Ganondorf with a bottle in the original was fun
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: qwerty1605 on September 01, 2011, 02:21:44 PM
That just tells you that a bottle is always the best and most useful item in OoT 3D or not.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: thundrio on September 02, 2011, 06:19:37 AM
stupid f***ing timer manipulation glitch that cosmo predicted when the game first came out. only question is why did it take so long to find out as it seems to be the same/similar to the timer glitch in console oot that enables you to beat volvy without tunic or many hearts.

anyway this severely demotivates me to updating the page (not that i did it much anyways), and there is no way that i am going to keep up multiple lists as that is too much work, although any other zsr editor can feel free to update it.

anyway, 2 lists arent even needed as iirc you dont get any bottles in master quest (i have just heard this so i may be wrong)
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: ZFG on September 03, 2011, 09:45:11 AM
(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8382/snapshot20110903g.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/716/snapshot20110903g.jpg/)

No bottle trick.  This new PG trick savers a bunch of time http://youtu.be/XKyb019C3eA .  I did this in literally 3 tries so im sure it could go quite a bit lower.
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: GeneraLight on September 03, 2011, 11:48:31 AM
nice find
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: V92ify on September 17, 2011, 12:15:08 PM
Do quickspin on gohma isn't faster than horizontal slashs?
Title: Re: Ocarina of Time 3D Boss Time Attack
Post by: GeneraLight on September 26, 2011, 03:12:52 PM
Do quickspin on gohma isn't faster than horizontal slashs?
It's a lot slower.

I don't think Boss Rush is ruined. Master Quest does not have bottles. But, the screenshots will look exactly the same.
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: seaking177 on December 05, 2011, 09:06:32 PM
7.76 on Gohma, first time ever getting anything below 20 seconds.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2901143/DSC02789.JPG (BIG picture)

i know its not as good as some of you, but its still freaking great to me :P!
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: poodleskirt on January 10, 2012, 11:24:47 AM
Finally got a sub 6:00 boss gauntlet. Here is the image outside of Twin Rova's blue warp, with all of my inventory moved to the visible part of the screen. As you can see, no bottles. (Sorry for the huge images)

(http://i.imgur.com/oXt23.jpg)

Here is the actual image of the record. Everything went almost perfectly, I think it would be very hard to beat. 5:55.60

(http://i.imgur.com/eFkfp.jpg)
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: thundrio on January 20, 2012, 06:00:08 PM
@poodleskirt how is that proof you have no bottles? You are only showing part of the screen, so it is perfectly plausible that you could be hiding the bottles over on the edge.
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: Greenalink on January 24, 2012, 11:01:40 AM
Notice Link's hand is left handed = Not Master Quest.
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: poodleskirt on January 25, 2012, 05:10:08 PM
@Thundrio, I actually beat my record again today and managed to take a better picture of the pause menu outside of Twin Rova's warp, here it is (05:53.43):

(http://i.imgur.com/4ZHht.jpg)

Obviously no bottles. Here's the actual time (05:53.93):

(http://i.imgur.com/x38b9.jpg)

Sorry if my last post was unclear, I thought you could sufficiently see that there were no bottles on the side. I made sure to take a better pic this time. I am proud of this time since it's my record and I've only gotten sub 6:00 three times. I don't see how the images would be insufficient proof, but I can give you a play by play of the run if need be. I use a couple strats not used by pokey and aleckermit in their old runs, and none of them involve timer manipulation.
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: thundrio on January 25, 2012, 07:29:01 PM
Well you still are not showing the stuff you currently have equipped, and so you could conceivably have bottles there. Besides as Greenalink said it looks like link is left handed in that picture, and AFAIK link is right handed in MQ
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: poodleskirt on January 25, 2012, 07:38:31 PM
@thundrio: First, you *can* see what I have equipped on that screen. The buttons on the right side of the grid show what you have equipped currently. There is no way I could have a bottle in my inventory and not have it show up on the bottom screen while paused. And yes, this is not Master Quest, I don't claim that it is.

On top of the images posted above I decided to try to film myself playing 3DS a bit. I emailed you a video (from my university email account) showing me getting to Twin Rova in 3:46 before getting trolled/owned by her, proving that the time posted above is easily possible without bottles or any other kind of clock manipulation. Sorry for the low quality of the video, I was having to reach around my laptop as it sat on my lap and filmed the screen.

I advise you to watch me getting owned by Twin Rova, for the lulz.
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: thundrio on January 25, 2012, 07:45:20 PM
I'm sorry i did not see the items on the side of the screen. If you look at the forums, the image is zoomed in a lot from the actual image, and so you should be able to see why I thought you were hiding something.

Sorry for the accusation, and good job on the time, it looks pretty good.
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: poodleskirt on January 25, 2012, 07:51:04 PM
Yeah, I'm sorry about the giant images. Imgur does that to me for some reason. You were right to be skeptical given the weird new cheat thing, so it's nothing to apologize for :-)
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: poodleskirt on January 26, 2012, 12:34:40 PM
But yeah, obviously not a lot of people care about the 3DS Boss time trials, but I don't think there's any reason the Bottle thing should ruin them. Anyone who can take a picture of their time in the boss select screen is obviously capable of taking a picture of their inventory right before the run ends.

In my opinion, for those bosses where it's impossible to prove you didn't use a bottle by using pictures, thundrio should either decide that the bottle thing is legal in just those boss fights or that filming it is required (since pretty much everyone has a webcam). No reason to let a silly glitch ruin the time trials. Personally I would say filming is the way to go, since I think the runs should be about beating the bosses quickly, not playing with bottles.
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: thundrio on January 31, 2012, 11:08:43 AM
I don't really care anymore to be honest. I put the time attack tables on zsr/oot3d so that any editor could update if they felt like it, but I really don't see myself ever updating the tables anymore. It's just too much work for something I don't care about anymore.

Sorry.

=)
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: Nook on February 02, 2012, 03:46:21 PM
I don't really care anymore to be honest. I put the time attack tables on zsr/oot3d so that any editor could update if they felt like it, but I really don't see myself ever updating the tables anymore. It's just too much work for something I don't care about anymore.

Sorry.

=)
The guy worked hard for his time and wants to show it on a site with sections made for this. Denying him that is pretty rude
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: poodleskirt on February 02, 2012, 03:49:50 PM
@Thundrio, totally understood :-) I wouldn't want to have to deal with a responsibility that I didn't care about, either

@TomNook, thanks for going to bat, but it's really not a big deal at all :-)
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: FapyN on April 19, 2012, 05:56:17 PM
Hi there guys,

I just joined these forums and actually only for one question xD Could I add my Boss Rush Records to the tables? I will of course use the ones from the "none-glitch" save. I also have a save where i am having fun with the glitches, but thats a seperate thing.

So if there is anyone still updating the boss rush tables I would take pictures of my times (havnīt done any yet, but i will soon) and upload em. Are there actually any other rules except fro no bottles? Should I rather do the time attack on MQ just to make sure i get no bottles?
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: Anavrin on April 21, 2012, 08:19:01 PM
So today I shaved a few frames out of this.
(http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/1052/img0167x.jpg)
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: johanelbe on April 22, 2012, 09:41:58 AM
[we can't access your hard drive lol]

johanelbe
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: Pheenoh on April 22, 2012, 09:58:42 AM
You need to upload the photo to a image hosting site such as...

http://www.imgur.com
or
http://www.photobucket.com
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: johanelbe on April 25, 2012, 06:13:29 AM
http://s1061.photobucket.com/albums/t478/johanelbe/?action=view&current=Snapshot_20120422_1.jpg

johanelbe

Hope it works now! :)
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: johanelbe on April 25, 2012, 08:50:24 AM
Anyone knows any good strats for Morpha and Barinade?
My best times is 29:40 sec for Morpha and 54:20 sec for Barinade.
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: Majora MIM on April 25, 2012, 09:07:25 PM
Morpha: try to hookshot her (yeh, to me, Morpha's a she) right after you get on the side of the room (don't wait until she makes the tentacule). Hookshot her to the corner and attack once then do two jump attacks (take one step back after each), you should be in the corner so slash normaly once (continue to step back between each strike) then do two jump slashes again.

I got 19,70 with this.


Barinade: be fast and try to kill two biris on the first row while attacking the heart.
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: johanelbe on April 26, 2012, 11:19:26 AM
http://s1061.photobucket.com/albums/t478/johanelbe/?action=view&current=Snapshot_20120426_1.jpg

Barinade: 48:80 sec

Johanelbe
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: GeneraLight on April 27, 2012, 03:38:47 PM
bump for Boss Rush
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: johanelbe on May 03, 2012, 04:22:27 AM
What's the point of submit the times here if it ain't going to be submittet on zeldaspeedruns.com?
sorry for my bad english ;P
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: GeneraLight on May 04, 2012, 08:07:48 PM
What's the point of submit the times here if it ain't going to be submittet on zeldaspeedruns.com?
sorry for my bad english ;P
Just to talk about Boss Rush, along with challenging yourself and other members for better times. Showing new strats, etc.
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: HoundoomMarr on June 02, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
Not really that good, but I have 40.96 seconds on King Dodongo. Does anyone have any tips on doing it faster?
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: HoundoomMarr on June 02, 2012, 04:33:50 PM
Update- got 38.56 seconds. Woo!
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: TheWayfaringFox on September 03, 2012, 07:26:26 PM
Okay, I'm bumping this thread to share my best times. I don't have a way to show pictures right now but I will in time.  ;) These times were without the timer glitch.

Phantom Ganon: 45:56

(Insert Picture Here)

Twinrova: 1:58:53

(Insert Picture Here)
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: Scott on November 12, 2012, 12:25:30 PM
Gohma in 05.66
(http://s13.postimage.org/w0bknaqp3/IMG_325311.jpg)

Morpha in 23.43
(http://s13.postimage.org/n06z33ulj/IMG_325211.jpg)
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: Anavrin on January 29, 2013, 07:03:46 PM
So today I shaved a few frames out of this.
(http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/1052/img0167x.jpg)
I'm just gonna bump this on there.
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: Demise on July 29, 2013, 10:34:28 AM
Guys, I am trying to get a good time, and I'm mostly stuck on Volvagia. How do you interrupt his attacks to beat him in around 40 secs?

Also, I CANNOT for the life of me get under 2 minutes with Twinrova. Am I supposed to once-cycle phase two, or not? In any case, any tips on how to do it?

And also, any tips for Phantom Ganon?

Heck, in general, are there any good boss guides? There don't seem to be any on this website... But I have relatively good/passable times on most bosses, and would really like to improve them. Any tips?


EDIT: Since my Twinrova time seems kinda not too bad, I though I'd submit it:
(http://i.imgur.com/k4LhErX.jpg?1)

(True story: I lost 6 seconds going to the warp portal... -_-)
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: benstephens1000 on July 29, 2013, 12:18:29 PM
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3802/9393640249_5fc5ae2be6_c.jpg)

My response: http://www.youtube.com/v/zRFzTsM2OKE&start=47&end=53&version=3
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: Majora MIM on July 29, 2013, 06:55:34 PM
Still nobody to beat this one? ^^

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/52448520110722125848.jpg
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: benstephens1000 on July 29, 2013, 06:58:04 PM
Give me a week ^.^
Title: Re: OoT3D: Boss Time Attack
Post by: TakingGlory on April 14, 2014, 05:29:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Y0Hfwr4.jpg)