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Title: Any% Route Discussion (Updated 9/17/12) Post by: Pheenoh on May 18, 2012, 04:41:16 PM (9/17/12) Any% Pillar Clip Route (I need to update the ZSR page...)
Code: - Ordon Gate Clip Some Notes.... - The only accessible spots to BiTE after EMS is in South Faron; unfortunately this requires Iron Boots. The other spot is Lakebed Temple. - Doing BiT at the beginning of the run makes it impossible to get fishing rod, and in turn makes it impossible to get water bombs outside of Lakebed Temple. - Pillar Clip is stupid difficult, but reasonable for Any% with some practice. - Warping in Twilight in which you haven't opened a portal works with Z Warp but not D-Pad Warp (Midna prompts you) - The new route I came up with by doing SPR immediately after Clawshot instead of after Midna's Desperate Hour still won't work for console because of the rupee issue (can't get the Orange rupee in SPR because the savewarp deletes the lent bag). Backtracking to it would be slower. Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion Post by: ING-X on May 18, 2012, 07:34:56 PM Wait, ordon days 1/2? That means S&S skip isn't required anymore :O
Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion Post by: ING-X on May 18, 2012, 08:53:28 PM You can't warp the bridge from north faron without beating forest temple. So BiTE is required no matter what =[
Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion Post by: JRD05 on May 19, 2012, 03:30:42 AM Cool find, how would one skip ordon 1 & 2 exactly?
Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion Post by: mzxrules on May 19, 2012, 03:44:48 AM BiT + S&S skip allows for days 1 & 2 to be skipped.
Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion Post by: JRD05 on May 19, 2012, 03:49:39 PM Oops, I knew that haha. I got a little confused by at first and thought the new trick was somehow able to skip goats, but that happens on a different day. Thanks for the clarification.
And yea I remember trying to do BITE during Faron Tears in Faron and the game locked up. Going all the way to Lanayru to BITE seems like it might be out out of the way but I'm not sure. Is it possible to do BITE somewhere in Hyrule field, maybe somehow getting oob in the Faron loading zone? Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion Post by: Pheenoh on May 19, 2012, 11:22:24 PM Oops, I knew that haha. I got a little confused by at first and thought the new trick was somehow able to skip goats, but that happens on a different day. Thanks for the clarification. That's for the save. The only two possible places after EMS are South Faron after clearing the twilight and Lakebed Temple. Since you have to go to Lakebed eventually, etc.And yea I remember trying to do BITE during Faron Tears in Faron and the game locked up. Going all the way to Lanayru to BITE seems like it might be out out of the way but I'm not sure. Is it possible to do BITE somewhere in Hyrule field, maybe somehow getting oob in the Faron loading zone? Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion Post by: ahou on May 22, 2012, 08:11:53 AM Getting ooccoo the first time in lakebed doesn't work, since you can't warp back without using him, and you need to save inside lakebed. So after clipping into lakebed and saving, you would start a new file, bite, clear eldin twilight, then warp to faron. After a third twilight escape, you go back to lakebed, grab ooccoo, and do lanayru twilight. After that, the route should be the same.
Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion Post by: mzxrules on May 23, 2012, 04:57:18 PM Mentioned this in the IRC... The BiT spot used for BiTE should not be a factor in whether or not the game crashes. It should be faster to create a duplicate save at some point in the run and reload from there for the BiT. I think our fastest BiT spots should be either to start at the entrance of the "Lost Woods", and backtrack to Faron, or to start off at the Forest Temple and LJA over the entrance (not sure if you can get OoBs from there).
I'm also certain that if you collect Ooccoo from forest but don't set a Jr point, you can use him for LBT as well. However, I believe we still won't be able to keep the Jr point if we return to the dungeon. Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion Post by: ahou on May 23, 2012, 11:20:21 PM However, I believe we still won't be able to keep the Jr point if we return to the dungeon. As long as we don't return after setting it, that is, right? That should never be an issue if so.Forest temple would definitely be faster than lost woods. We have to save after getting the boomerang anyway, and it saves a load zone. Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion Post by: Pheenoh on May 24, 2012, 01:56:32 AM That's not gonna be faster. Both running to Ordon bridge and doing BiTE vs savewarping and loading up a file in Forest Temple, then jumping over the loading zone and doing BiTE took about 30 second on console (without factoring in human/wolf transformations each would have to do). Add an additional ten seconds due to having to sit through another save animation, hitting continue, and bringing up the save menu again and that one becomes slower.
Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion Post by: ArthurDent on June 09, 2012, 12:23:46 PM So wassup? How is the most recent route? Do we still have to go throgh that Midna illness thing?
Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion Post by: mzxrules on June 11, 2012, 05:55:23 AM The "Midna's Desperate Hour" segment is still unskippable, but we managed to escape Faron during the twilight. Skipping bugs is unfortunately too slow because the only other spot that we can save at that will allow us to BiTE is Lakebed Temple. We can't use Ooccoo to return to it, meaning we'd have to do rupee dive twice to get in.
Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion Post by: Pheenoh on August 28, 2012, 03:31:23 PM Updated first post (still incomplete seg'd route).
Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion (Updated 9/17/12) Post by: THENINTENDOLUMINARY on January 11, 2013, 06:51:15 PM Is the pillar clip the same one as with zora armor? how is that faster than rupee diving? and why do you do the first king bulbin fight?
Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion (Updated 9/17/12) Post by: Pheenoh on January 11, 2013, 09:00:48 PM Is the pillar clip the same one as with zora armor? how is that faster than rupee diving? and why do you do the first king bulbin fight? The Pillar Clip is different than the one with Zora Armor -- you have to do it on the left side and the clip is extremely difficult. Rupee dive is faster... if you can get a blue rupee that has about ~10% chance of spawning to appear the first time you try digging and manage to get the dive (which has extremely tight timing) before the blue rupee disappears. First King Bulblin fight is done to get to Kakariko Village. Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion (Updated 9/17/12) Post by: THENINTENDOLUMINARY on January 11, 2013, 09:26:20 PM Can you tell me how the route has changed since Paraxade's segmented run? I don't get why you use BiTE to get to kakariko, and is their a video of this pillar clip?
Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion (Updated 9/17/12) Post by: Interslice on January 11, 2013, 11:17:20 PM Pillar Clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huayy1OwlDE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huayy1OwlDE) BiTE is used to cut out the traveling to King Bublin 1, since doing BiTE puts you right at the King Bublin 1 fight. Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion (Updated 9/17/12) Post by: THENINTENDOLUMINARY on January 12, 2013, 02:12:27 AM But Paraxade never did the first king bublin fight in his run why is it even necessary in the new route?
Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion (Updated 9/17/12) Post by: Pheenoh on January 12, 2013, 11:09:25 AM But Paraxade never did the first king bublin fight in his run why is it even necessary in the new route? Because Paraxade's run is outdated and beat Forest Temple, and could therefore warp the bridge and cross it.Title: Re: Any% Route Discussion (Updated 9/17/12) Post by: ahou on January 12, 2013, 06:15:06 PM But Paraxade never did the first king bublin fight in his run why is it even necessary in the new route? It's not actually necessary. It's not even the fastest way. This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6eiFTyfrqA) is. However, when skipping forest temple, it is the only remotely easy way to get to kakariko. |